g-link vs. speed tech rear susp.

[67 ragtop]

building a 67 conv. would like to know if anyone has experience with these systems.

[crazycarl]

You're going to have to get more specific. If you do a search there is lots of information about the g-link and g-bar as well as a lot of pictures. I've also seen info on the speed-tech system.

[67 ragtop]

I am building a 67 conv. camaro, my goul is to make into a true pro-touring car. I have done a whole lot of research and there are many diffrent manufactures of various rear suspention set ups. I have come down to these two, the chris alston G-Link and the Speedtech tork arm. I just wanted to get some feed back from any one out there that may some insite with both units.

[67 ragtop]

by the way I do already have a aftermarket front sub-frame and the car will be mini-tubed.

[FreddieCougar]

I have spent time in a car with the SpeedTech torque arm rear (this month's Lat-G feature car, actually) and was very happy with the ride quality and handling. I drove it both on open roads near the factory and around Puyallup during the GoodGuys show there. With and without passengers, the ride was good, the tire clearance wasn't a problem, and the ride height was perfect.
I have never driven a Camaro with the G-Bar, so I don't know how it is, but that is my .02 about the torque arm system.

[awr68]

I have to agree with Tim here, I also got to drive Paul's car and was very happy with the way it drove. The driving I did was around town during the GG's show...so no track time or freeway driving, but around town it felt great! And the ride height was awesome!!

[Vegas69]

The ride is really in the springs and shocks. I have the old G Bar and I can make it ride like a 70's boat or a lumber wagon with the shock adjustments. The real question is handling and traction. I'm sure they are both close. I'd go speedtech just because they are active members here and stand behind their product 100%.

[GregWeld]

The ride is really in the springs and shocks. I have the old G Bar and I can make it ride like a 70's boat or a lumber wagon with the shock adjustments. The real question is handling and traction. I'm sure they are both close. I'd go speedtech just because they are active members here and stand behind their product 100%.


Now that's what we're talkin' 'bout!!

I like your style!

The SpeedTech crew is an awesome bunch - do killer stuff... so why not support them all the way.

:lateral: :woot:

[Marcus SC&C]

The big difference here is in the general format of each suspension. 4 link and torque arm systems each have their high points. A well executed torque arm system (which the Speedtech system looks like it is) should offer very precise, predicatable handling. They`re known for being very benign, no suprises with torque arm systems as a rule. They`ve got very good roll steer characteristics and mild pinion angle change. The long panhard bar should do a good job of laterally locating the rear with precision and you`ll have only a small amount of roll center migration. That`s all good stuff. Like anything it also has some limitations, it`s got very limited anti squat (usually under 70%) and your side view swing arm length (SVSA) is going to be quite long and non adjustable, that puts the IC far forward and it is non adjustable for height. What does that mean? It means that it shoudl work well for handling but it`s not a great drag race suspension. If you`ve got big horsepower you may have a hard time putting it down with a torque arm system unless you build the rest of the cars suspension around it to compensate. If you`re on this forum you probably don`t want to do that because that will greatly compromise handling. We`ve been working with Spohn Performance for years, they`ve built some of the quickest torque arm cars in the country, but those cars don`t do anything else but go fast in a straight line. IMO torque arms make good street or road race suspensions but they`re not as good as some other systems for harnessing horsepower.
An adjustable 4 link like the G-Link is a multi tasker. This system has enough adjustment in it out of the box to make it whatever you want it to be. Will it corner as well as a purpose build road race 3 link? No but it`ll be darn close. Will it hook as hard as a dedicated drag race 4 link? Maybe not, but it`ll be darn close there too. The adjustability of this format lets you span a really wide range of performance applications and dial it in to what you want ,when you want. In a mainly handling application you`d set it up with the lower links level at ride height and the uppers as well for minimal roll steer and very neutral handling. At the drags you`s move the rear of the upper links up and the rear of the lower links down, dramatically shortening the SVSA length and pringing the rear IC to where it would be on a purpose built drag race 4 link. This package can run anti squat percentages of over 150%. That`ll create less desirable handling (although it will still be pretty good) but it`ll plant big power like a drag car. For a high horse power ProTouring car you`d likely run it set somewhere in between, probably lower links level to promote good roll steer and the upper links slightly raised at the rear (not so much that we raise the RC too high) to gain a healthy dose of anti squat as well. The G-Link also offers sway bar and mini tub options. I`m particularly fond of the frame mounted adj. rate rear swaybar which lets you dial the handling balance in without having to mess with spring rates and ride quality. Set at its firmest setting it also makes a very passable drag bar for making the car launch nice and level. The multiple arm mounting locations also allows you to achieve various different formats at different ride heights. Many link conversion suspension are only adjustable so that you can set different wieght cars up at the one and only ride height where the suspension performs properly.
Ride quality with either system is controlled by spring rate and shock settings and again, is what ever you want it to be. That`s one of the coolest things about these coil over, link rear suspensions. I think you`d be happy with either one but one may fit your particular goals better than the other depending on what those goals are. Mark SC&C

[Blake Foster]

All VERY good points and explaination!!
I wanted to add a couple things.
Our Torque Arm has some adjustability in the IC department with the ability to lower the rear of the trailing arm, there are 3 different mounting holes. this can effectively move the IC .There are also 2 different mounting locations for the pan hard baron the rear housing as well as a sliding mount on the chassis, this allows roll center changes based on ride height. one other feature is the trailing arms have an articulating design that eliminates any suspension bind during roll ,
We have some prototype sway bars that we are working on at this time as well.
You mention the adjustibility of a 4 link, this is very true but how many people actually know what the cause and effect of the adjustments are?

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Not me:rofl:

[Blake Foster]

i'll second THAT!!! :rofl:

hey when is my air box going to be done??? snow is comming so it is almost time to think about test driving the car, hahahha

:thumbsup:

[mstennes]

Hmmmmmm looking like the Speed Tech rear suspension is just what I need, looks better than the G-Link by far, how is it for getting the exhaust routed?

[FreddieCougar]

Hmmmmmm looking like the Speed Tech rear suspension is just what I need, looks better than the G-Link by far, how is it for getting the exhaust routed?

I wouldn't want to say that an off the shelf system would bolt in, but any reputable exhaust shop should have no problem at all getting around the suspension. There is plenty of room. I will see if I can dig up some pics.
Tim

[mstennes]

I wouldn't want to say that an off the shelf system would bolt in, but any reputable exhaust shop should have no problem at all getting around the suspension. There is plenty of room. I will see if I can dig up some pics.
Tim

I know from trying to help a friend out that getting clearance with the Quadri, was a nightmare. I really like the your rear suspension mounts and ease of install.

[JustinB]

I was very impressed with the Speed Tech Torque Arm setup at SEMA. So much so that I am thinking about yanking my rear setup in my 69 in favor of theirs. Good guys with a great product. Really cant go wrong with Speed Tech.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I know from trying to help a fiend out that getting clearance with the Quadri, was a nightmare. I really like the your rear suspension mounts and ease of install.

Tialpipe routing is always tricky with any link suspension. We now have pre made tailpipes for Prodigy Bar and G Link. We will be working on Torque Arm tailpipes soon.

As for Speedtech Torque Arm or G link, Tough one for me as we sell and install both along with DSE Quadra links also. Both the Speedtech and G link are non intrusive easy installs that require no cutting into the body. Both are well engineered products. About the same money. I am a long time 4 link guy, but am keeping a open mind on Torque Arms.

Here is a G Link with tailpipes we just sent home to California. Once we get the Torque Arm tailpipes done we will let you know.

We will be doing a full set of pictures soon for the website and look for a magazine feature soon

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