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flamed57racer
09-10-2009, 09:11 AM
Has anyone had any experience with the Dynacorn 69 Camaro body yet? I would like to know what the quality & fit is like. How about issues with getting a car titled & insured once you use the body. I just finished "Project" 69" and thinking about doing another with this body and the new aluminum front end???
Thanks! Scott
Garage Dog 65
09-10-2009, 10:14 AM
Retro-Tech here in Indy purchased a coupe body last fall. Right at delivery we noticed the right tail light opening to quarter panel edge was 3/4 wider then the left side. When we mini-tubed it we found that the frame rail was 1/4 off - which pushed the trunk pan 1/4 inch - which pushed the tail panel another 1/4 inch - until the quarter was way off. We tore the tail panel out and found they had un-bent the original quarter panel flange - bent it right at the very edge so it would reach the tail light panel again and welded it up. We also found no primer in the area(s) between the tail panel and the trunk and fender extensions/closeouts/lock mount - the areas were already pretty rusted from shipping from R.O.C. That's as far as it's gotten for now - not to the point of other panel or component fit up.
Jim
g356gear
09-10-2009, 10:20 AM
I know a local shop that uses Dynacorn Camaro and Mustang bodies and they have had a lot of fitment and quality issues with the cars. Luckily, they have a good enough relationship with Dynacorn that they have addressed a lot of the assembly issues that were causing problems for the car builders. This shop spends close to 600 hours on a body so they are pretty picky. I think Dynacorn has come a long way from where they were.
Vegas69
09-10-2009, 10:22 AM
It will be a cold day in hell before I'm crusing around in a 69 Camaro with made in China stamped somewhere on the body! I can handle it on my T shirt, laundry basket, blender, etc Not my piece of American history. I'd really like to tell you how I really feel!!!! :unibrow:
redfire69
09-10-2009, 10:29 AM
Sorry, kind of off topic, but I'm replacing so much metal on my 69, it might as well be stamped ROC. I *almost* wish I considered a replacement body before starting metalwork 3 years ago... So I think there is a place for these bodies in the hobby.
jy211
09-10-2009, 10:32 AM
email Frank at Prodigy Customs. He may be able to help answer the fitment and quality questions...
Garage Dog 65
09-10-2009, 10:36 AM
Sorry, kind of off topic, but I'm replacing so much metal on my 69, it might as well be stamped ROC. I *almost* wish I considered a replacement body before starting metalwork 3 years ago... So I think there is a place for these bodies in the hobby.
Exactly what we faced. After the original body came back from stripping, it was clear the entire shell was shot from rust, cover up of previous damage and terrible partial 1/4 panel replacements. So we replaced the shell and it was much cheaper then repairing all that stuff. It certainly has a place in this hobby/industry.
It will be a cold day in hell before I'm crusing around in a 69 Camaro with made in China stamped somewhere on the body! I can handle it on my T shirt, laundry basket, blender, etc Not my piece of American history. I'd really like to tell you how I really feel!!!! :unibrow:
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Mr.VENGEANCE
09-10-2009, 12:42 PM
this..
It will be a cold day in hell before I'm crusing around in a 69 Camaro with made in China stamped somewhere on the body! I can handle it on my T shirt, laundry basket, blender, etc Not my piece of American history. I'd really like to tell you how I really feel!!!! :unibrow:
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MCC can help you with a good body !!!
Mike's Custom Cars
1-803-329-2835
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chr2002ca
09-10-2009, 01:48 PM
Bravo! :cheers:
It will be a cold day in hell before I'm crusing around in a 69 Camaro with made in China stamped somewhere on the body! I can handle it on my T shirt, laundry basket, blender, etc Not my piece of American history. I'd really like to tell you how I really feel!!!! :unibrow:
MCC can help you with a good body !!!
Mike's Custom Cars
1-803-329-2835
www.mikescustomcars.com
[email protected]
:yes: A REAL titled new body,you ain't seen nothing until you see one of Mikes.
Vegas69
09-10-2009, 01:58 PM
:cheers:
waynieZ
09-10-2009, 02:11 PM
I can vouch for any body that Mike makes will be first class. With a tittle!
DocJr
09-10-2009, 02:29 PM
It will be a cold day in hell before I'm crusing around in a 69 Camaro with made in China stamped somewhere on the body! I can handle it on my T shirt, laundry basket, blender, etc Not my piece of American history. I'd really like to tell you how I really feel!!!! :unibrow:
I understand where your coming from, however, unless your car is bone stock straight from 1969, I doubt it's all American. Now I'm no builder, but I have seen parts that's supposed to be American and not. America's got nothing these days. Sheet steel used for your body panels, is it American? I would hope so.
I totally agree with ya guys. It sucks.
Just my .02
Vegas69
09-10-2009, 08:55 PM
My car is all American with a few patches.......while that's rare, I still want the seoul to be American. I'd rather find another 69 than buy a made in China body. We need to support our own economy even if it costs more money.
I am all for the USA & 100% American made parts !!!
But you know and I know you just can't get all the parts you need from the USA to build this cars .
It's not all about American made parts or not . It's all about is the body built right !!!!
We sale and use a lot of Dii parts and we can sale Dii bodes to but we DO NOT !!!
DII bodes are so..so.. It's Ok for the guy how is going to build a race car or just a fun driver . But it is still a kit car !!!!
But if you are going to keep the car for some time, you need to build your car or get someone like us to build a real vin# car for you the right way.
Mike's Custom Cars
1-803-329-2835
www.mikescustomcars.com
BonzoHansen
09-11-2009, 06:45 AM
My car is all American with a few patches.......while that's rare, I still want the seoul to be American. I'd rather find another 69 than buy a made in China body. We need to support our own economy even if it costs more money.
Is that some kind of pun? :D
LowchevyII
09-11-2009, 08:38 AM
^^^hahah i thought the same thing with the seoul
My car is all American with a few patches.......while that's rare, I still want the seoul to be American. I'd rather find another 69 than buy a made in China body. We need to support our own economy even if it costs more money.
The last part of Todds statement is so spot on!!! BUY AMERICAN!!!Then we can put these other countries on there azzez!!!:soapbox:
tones2SS
09-11-2009, 09:27 AM
My car is all American with a few patches.......while that's rare, I still want the seoul to be American. I'd rather find another 69 than buy a made in China body. We need to support our own economy even if it costs more money.
The last part of Todds statement is so spot on!!! BUY AMERICAN!!!Then we can put these other countries on there azzez!!!:soapbox:
Amen brothers!! Even if it costs more, DO IT!!! lol:thumbsup: :cheers:
ProdigyCustoms
09-11-2009, 09:39 AM
I have usaed them, just finished one. it was a good way to go in this situation. Mikes is always a great option, super quality work. As i frined i have to take food out our mouth and tell you to go find a super nice nothing car, with killer paint. A running driving 307, 327, 350 2B, or non numbers matching car in excellent shape. Pay up for the best car you can find, and convert it to pro touring.
$25K to $30K will buy a award winner in a nothing car, and you will have that in a body and painted shell. And still have to buy every single nut and bolt for the car. this way you have a complete car, avoind paint jail, and mod as you go!
Vegas69
09-11-2009, 10:11 AM
Hey, I was drunk.....I wish I was that clever. :rofl: :rofl:
Todd and Frank are right. BUY AMERICAN!!! and Pay more for a good car and you'll be better off in the end. I found Todd's car for him after he had purchased a poorly repaired one. When I first saw that little green 307 car up in MI, I was amazed at how solid it was. I told Todd that if he didn't buy it I would. Well, the rest is history. I took that poorly repaired Camaro off his hands and Todd now has probably one of the most original bodied '69 PT cars out there and Frank did an awesome job resurrecting that baby. These new parts are fair to poor at best, but sometimes the only alternative. If you can afford it, pay up for a good clean car and go from there.
I should go back to my Toolmaking roots and develop some tooling to make these parts not only right, but right here in the good old USA!!
awr68
09-12-2009, 09:39 AM
I should go back to my Toolmaking roots and develop some tooling to make these parts not only right, but right here in the good old USA!!
That's a GREAT idea right there!! :yes:
GregWeld
09-12-2009, 10:22 AM
WARNING -- this is a :beavis: :soapbox:
LOL -- can't say you weren't warned!!
I recently sold a SOLID 53K original mile 69 Convertible -- bought out of southern California - it was a power top - 307 - 3 speed column car... as plain jane as you could ever find. Sold it for $18,500.... not one spot of rust on it anywhere. Some of the paint was original... black plate car. No holes in the carpet even! Seats looked brand new - but were original as was the top.
I actually bought TWO drop tops - got them both here - drove them both - sold the one I didn't want (it just didn't drive as nice - even though it LOOKED better)... Then finally decided to build a "hot rod" (37 Ford Minotti) so sold this nice one too... but my comment is - there are very nice "bodies" out there if you're willing to look and take your time to save time on the other end. And if you're going to hot rod it anyway - don't waste your time trying to buy a SS or Z/28... just buy a great BODY cause all those other parts are going in the goodwill box anyway.
RE: Dynacorn body
The reason we don't have any manufacturing jobs in this country - is because all the people that used to have those jobs - shopped at WAL MART / Target etc - and they "bought" themselves right out of a job... the more crap from China they bought - the faster their jobs disappeared. If I pick up a part and it says made in poopooville - I DO NOT BUY it. I buy Snap on tools - but I will not buy BLUE POINT tools (Snap On version of chinese crap) and I don't care how much money I'm "saving". I also don't mind telling the dealer either! You have to put your wallet where your mouth is. That's the way the "free market" works.
I was an importer.. England and Italy (dinnerware), and we used to have a huge set of books -- called TSUSA - Tariff Schedule of the USA... it was an "equalizing tax" on everything we brought in - collected and payable to the USA. It made a "cheaper" product produced overseas EQUAL in cost to the same product produced here. That way the playing field was even. There was a market for china and glass produced in europe... and people would choose on design and quality etc - but they weren't choosing on PRICE. Once they did away with the TSUSA (remember that GIANT SUCKING SOUND?) then the flood gates opened for cheap offshore crap - and our manufacturing went away. So the USA lost the tax - they lost the jobs - and we now have huge deficits. It used to be - if you were a world manufacturer and wanted a milling machine - you bought a Bridgeport... so we used to SELL to these other countries. Now we don't sell squat and we only consume. Good luck with that. Remember history when Spain was the world leader - then it was England - then "us"... well, I'm thinking we're on that USED TO BE LIST now. Our gas money goes to Sandiarabia... and our household purchases go to China... and we borrow our money from them to fund all this, and pay them interest too! How stupid have we become... don't answer that! LOL
Thanks for posting all of that Greg. You are right, we have purchased ourselves right out of our production jobs. And now we bitch about not having those jobs or products. I see it all over. The local wally world mart is full 24/7. ( I have to drive past it every day)
It's getting harder to find goods manufacured in the USA and that just plain sucks.:cheers:
GregWeld
09-12-2009, 10:42 AM
Here is EXACTLY what I just posted -- and this came in the news TODAY -- note the TARIFF is to PROTECT AMERICAN JOBS/INDUSTRY!! This used to be on EVERYTHING IMPORTED! The minute it went away - then the imports flooded the market and killed the 'industry' we had here.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-slaps-tariff-on-chinese-tires-2009-09-11
tones2SS
09-12-2009, 12:32 PM
[QUOTE=GregWeld;234461]I recently sold a SOLID 53K original mile 69 Convertible -- bought out of southern California - it was a power top - 307 - 3 speed column car... as plain jane as you could ever find. Sold it for $18,500.... not one spot of rust on it anywhere. Some of the paint was original... black plate car. No holes in the carpet even! Seats looked brand new - but were original as was the top.
I actually bought TWO drop tops - got them both here - drove them both - sold the one I didn't want (it just didn't drive as nice - even though it LOOKED better)... Then finally decided to build a "hot rod" (37 Ford Minotti) so sold this nice one too... but my comment is - there are very nice "bodies" out there if you're willing to look and take your time to save time on the other end. And if you're going to hot rod it anyway - don't waste your time trying to buy a SS or Z/28... just buy a great BODY cause all those other parts are going in the goodwill box anyway.[QUOTE=GregWeld;234461]
VERY WELL SAID GREG!! That is exactly my thinking. I don't care if it has a V6 or is a SS or Z28 or has a column shift!! That bad boy is going under the knife to become a pro-tour beast, so what does it matter what the car started out life as?!? If the body is good without rust, you saved yourself some cash and headaches. I like your thinking. (That could be scary!!) lol:lol:
jcal87
09-12-2009, 12:57 PM
I guess you could buy a replica but every time someone comes up to you and asks "WOW! is that a real 69 camaro?" you'll pause and hopefully say no but if you say yes you'll know deep down in side that its not, and to me thats unsettling.Then theres the factor of resale you can sink a bunch of cash into it but i would doubt you could get nearly as much as if it were the REAL thing from 1969.In my personal opinion I wish they would stop making these and every kit car for that matter I think it takes away from the owners of the originals.Don't mean to offend anyone but to me it's posing.If you have the money to sink into a shell you have the money to take some time out and look for a real car.
wedged
09-12-2009, 01:39 PM
I'm torn on the issue... I really like the idea of "Made In the USA" and wish more people would get behind it, but I also can understand the idea of feeling no guilt because your not cutting up an original car, regardless of if it is a 6 cyl or special ordered V-8 car... and the fact that there is finite # of original cars.
Here is EXACTLY what I just posted -- and this came in the news TODAY -- note the TARIFF is to PROTECT AMERICAN JOBS/INDUSTRY!! This used to be on EVERYTHING IMPORTED! The minute it went away - then the imports flooded the market and killed the 'industry' we had here.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-slaps-tariff-on-chinese-tires-2009-09-11
I just read the article. I hope I understand correctly and that it will help our inudustries. I also hope that if it does help it will spread to many more industries and help bring back the American manufacturing businesses.
Al Moreno
09-12-2009, 06:20 PM
I don't feel the solution is putting a tariff on imports.
The challenge with companies leaving the country is by in large the fault of the American public.
On the one hand, we want $75 an hour for $13 an hour laboring jobs. This doesn't allow our domestic companies the ability to compete in the market place.
On the other hand, they vote with there pocket book on for the more cost competitive import products.
They talk from both side of the mouth. So they want the cake and to eat it to.'
And the want to government to solve the problem.... we are "entitle to it"
PS, This is still the BEST country in the world so it's all good :cheers:
Doug Harden
09-14-2009, 05:38 PM
Another reason corporations take jobs overseas...
http://www.codyhatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/corp-tax-rates.jpg
GregWeld
09-14-2009, 06:38 PM
So it boils down to this... the root of all evil is money.
By that - I would say that it's "cheaper" to buy a whole body from Dynacorn over paying "labor" here to replace all the rotten panels... and that is where the choice is made. People - everyone - wants to save some money - to either build a bigger motor - or whatever... so everyone justifies in their own mind what ever it is they're doing.
I'll carry this a bit forward. I used to have a local speed shop here. The guys knew everything - and I could go there and get advice - service - and feel comfortable making a purchase. However... my buddies would go there - get the advice and then rush home and order on line. This used to really really pizz me off - because I kept telling them "you do that and you won't have anywhere to go get your "free" advice"! Well guess what - the guy had to close up.
There is more to the cost of business than just the hourly labor rate you're paying to fix your original body... you're covering the rent, taxes, investment in tools, shop truck, healthcare costs... etc. So that labor rate is also paying somebodies mortgage (the guys actually doing the work)... or maybe several!?
You buy a Dynacorn body or some other overseas parts - you're paying the mortgage on someones house in Korea - or China - or wherever. I'd just as soon pay my neighbors rent over some dude in Chinas. And I'd really like to have Ironworks and Fessler and Bent Fab etc right here - so I can have them around if and when I need them! :thumbsup:
By the way - someone commented about not using up all the original bodies... Are you kidding me - they made a quarter of a million 69 Camaros -- and that many '68's too! We're a long way from using them up -- and I think they've been SAVED rather than used up.... we've saved them from rotting away in someones backyard.
Here's the build info by year:
Official Chevrolet production records show a total of 220,906 Camaros built in 1967; 235,147 Camaros built in 1968; and 243,085 Camaros built in the last year of the first generation, 1969.
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