G-bar or Quadralink ?, 73 camaro

[The T-man]

73 camaro, going to mini -tub it, and thought while we are under there,
G-bar or Quadralink ?

or the big question, is it "really" worth the time and $ for these to get a 335 rear tire? I hear stories of some people getting lucky and stuffing a 315 under some stock 70-73's, which I could be happy with and save the 2-3K$

any truth to that? rolling the fender lip or bashing in the wheel housing with a BFH is fine w/ me:cool:

[Vegas69]

I would always go DSE if the option was available. I'm not just pulling that out of my ass either. I have dealt with them personally and have there subframe in my car with 2500 miles on it. Top shelf.....

[Cread01]

I would say go with the dse out of the two.

as far as the 315's go. you can "fit" them but in my opinion they stick out way too far and you will have to beat on the quarter lips and seat belt hump. plus your rear ride height will be a factor. guess it depends on what look you like.

[z4me69]

not a second gen but i have the dse sub and qlink under a 69 wont run anything but the dse from here out. and i have installed a air bar on a buddys car and driven the snot out of it there is no comparison . dse all the way

[pro-tour79]

this 72 has 315-35-17 with our Comp leaf spring kit, yes you wil have to roll the lip and massage the seat belt hump

[ParkerRS]

DSE, Kyle proves it for the last two years with the blue 70 test car. Great product quality and unbeatable customer service. I have their sub under my new second gen project but opted for the lat-d 3-link rear. The 3-link isn't an easy to obtain commodity anymore so I'd say DSE all the way.

[syborg tt]

Okay so here is my take on this.

You have 4 well known players

DSE
Air Ride
Chassis Works
Speed tech

They are all great companies and eahc product has strong benifits.

Depending on your goals for the car it will help you make the decision. Right now of your looking long term with possible resale in mind it's going to be DSE & Air Ride. On the BB I would say your makret will be DSE but if it's Ebay or private sale it's going to be Air Ride.

Also, are you planning to do the work yourself or hire it out. If you don't have access to all of the fab stuff that will also help make your decision.

[BMR Tech]

You also have another option besides a 4 link. We have been selling our Torque Arm conversion kit for the First Gens now for a few months and will have the Second generation kits available within the next couple of weeks. It is 100% bolt-on and does not require any welding or fabrication experience. They are available for 10 bolts and 12 bolts or you can order the kit with a HD custom Ford 9" if you want to upgrade the housing at the same time. If you are interested, you can view some pics of the First gen kit HERE (http://www.bmrfabrication.com/f1/f1ta.html), Second gen pics coming soon!

[syborg tt]

Sorry Brett,

Yep, you guys's are the new player on the block. I've been watching your set up on Ty's Formula project. Looks really nice.


You also have another option besides a 4 link. We have been selling our Torque Arm conversion kit for the First Gens now for a few months and will have the Second generation kits available within the next couple of weeks. It is 100% bolt-on and does not require any welding or fabrication experience. They are available for 10 bolts and 12 bolts or you can order the kit with a HD custom Ford 9" if you want to upgrade the housing at the same time. If you are interested, you can view some pics of the First gen kit HERE (http://www.bmrfabrication.com/f1/f1ta.html), Second gen pics coming soon!

[The T-man]

if my main concern is price, ride quality/comfort, in other words
I'd like to avoide dropping the $2-3K and
have a smooth compliant ride and still be able to take some twisties once in awhile

So, that leaves me with DSE I would guess?

[syborg tt]

if my main concern is price, ride quality/comfort, in other words
I'd like to avoide dropping the $2-3K and
have a smooth compliant ride and still be able to take some twisties once in awhile

So, that leaves me with DSE I would guess?

Well, If you go DSE depending on the part you choose you will quickly go over budget.

From what I can gather you are going to keep your stock from subframe.

So here is what I suggest - I think you can buy the entire Hotchkis kit for a second gen for about 2800.

That includes everything you need to get a nice ride height / stance with a comfortable ride.

ps - I forgot about Hotchkis, they are one of my favorites

[71RS/SS396]

73 camaro, going to mini -tub it, and thought while we are under there,
G-bar or Quadralink ?

or the big question, is it "really" worth the time and $ for these to get a 335 rear tire? I hear stories of some people getting lucky and stuffing a 315 under some stock 70-73's, which I could be happy with and save the 2-3K$

any truth to that? rolling the fender lip or bashing in the wheel housing with a BFH is fine w/ me:cool:

The ride height and tire diameter will really determine how much tire you can fit under it,the wheel lip is not really the problem on 2nd gens, it's the outer wheel well if you get the car low because of the way it rolls back towards the center of the car. I have hotchkis springs on mine with 2" lowering blocks to lower the car a total of 3.5" running 275/40-18 on a 8" wheel w/ 4.75 backspacing and is really tight to the outer wheel well you might get away with a 9" wheel w/5.75 backspacing,because mine still has some room inside. there really isn't any room between the quarter panel and the outer wheel well to gain any tire clearance , if you start wailing with a hammer you will be fixing your quarter panel. The front is an even bigger pain in the arse to get any tire under it if you get the car low!!

[ProdigyCustoms]

I sell and install both. The Quadralink is great, requires a lot more labor, cutting, wleding to install. Also reauires a lot of welding on the rear housing, cutting ends off, rewelding, etc. The G Bar / Prodigy Bar is a great suspension also, rides good, handles well, and is easy to install and requires only minor welding on the rear end housing.

I do believe the 2nd gen Quadralink has a slight performance at the high end of the performance scale in a full on race application. But the Quadra Link will cost a lot more in materials, labor and time.

It is a ways off, but once a G Link is designed for second gens, I suspect any performance gap will be reduced.

Both will ride great and will handle and ride great. Can you do the cutting and welding? Or afford to pay to have it done. Then the choice is simple right now.

[The T-man]

So you are saying Gbar then...

[markss28]

I have hotchkis springs all the way around on my 73 camaro. I have a 18x10 in back and an 18x8 in front. I have 285/35/18 tire and can go without rubbing a 295/35 tire. This to me looks great and handles very well. The front looks great too and does not rub even when I cut a whole coil off to get it to drop a bit more. I would buy the entire hotchkis stuff. complete bolt on no lie stuff.

Also I think Mari Pozzi runs this in her 2nd gen and she beats everybody.

[syborg tt]

I have hotchkis springs all the way around on my 73 camaro. I have a 18x10 in back and an 18x8 in front. I have 285/35/18 tire and can go without rubbing a 295/35 tire. This to me looks great and handles very well. The front looks great too and does not rub even when I cut a whole coil off to get it to drop a bit more. I would buy the entire hotchkis stuff. complete bolt on no lie stuff.

Also I think Mari Pozzi runs this in her 2nd gen and she beats everybody.


Okay I would love to see pics of your car.

[markss28]

Okay I would love to see pics of your car.

Coming soon to a website near you. Maybe this weekend.

[syborg tt]

Coming soon to a website near you. Maybe this weekend.


send me the pics and I will build you a quick gallery on Garagescene.net

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[Marcus SC&C]

Taking things from a technical aspect with no fan coolaid involved, the Quadralink has excellent roll steer characteristics and a slightly more stable (vertically) roll center than the G-Bar. The G Bar is much easier to install, is less expensive, has better anti squat (easier to put power to the ground) and has two optional anti roll bars, including a 3 way adj. frame mounted one. This gives you many more tuning options and allows you to get hardcore wheel rates with more suple spring rates and a better ride. Both use rubber bushings, G Bar uses some poly g. also. The G Bar can be upgraded with SC&C billet double adj. arms with greasable forged Johnny Joints which are offset inboard for even more tire clearance, have better lateral axle location capabilities and save weight. They look cool too. ;) Mark SC&C

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