Best handgun for home protection?

[jcal87]

looking into buying a handgun for protection and every time i go to the gun store the confuse me so I'll ask you guys.

[customcam]

Beretta 9mm "black" :_paranoid lol Its the best for 5-15 metres close combat shooting. :cool:

[68RS350]

The .357 and 9mm do not have the knock down power like the .40 or .45. If you want to knock them on there rear you want the .45. But depending on the barrel length and the gun a .45 is tougher to handle. So if your wife/gf could potentially use it then you'll need to take that into consideration. But in all likelyhood if you shoot at an intruder with anything they will run. I am in the markey for a 4" .40 and thats what I would recommend. A smaller person can handle it and they still have good power behind it. If you are wanting to use more than a home defense weapon I would get a .357 or 9mm because the .357 revolver you can shoot a .38 or .380 (not sure which one) out of the same gun and that makes it cheaper also the 9mm rounds are cheap to target shoot. Hope this helps and sorry for such a long answer!

[ProTouring442]

.357... you can practice all day with .38 ammo, then load it with some nice .357 hollow points and really make someone's day go all to hell. The revolver is easy to fire without complex safety levers or "racking" procedures. Honestly, I have a Smith & Wesson chambered in .45 acp, and while I absolutely love it, my wife cannot reliably rack the slide. If she were to actually have to fire the thing, and it jammed, she would never be able to clear it. With a revolver, if one round fails to fire, you just pull the trigger again.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[69CamaroPT]

I personally have a .45 but I am getting a hammerless .38 for my wife. Like the guys said before depending on the gun the .45 could be tough for the wife.
For the wife she needs something that she only needs to point and shoot. A shotgun will do the trick too.

[PSV]

I just went through the same thing yesterday. I ended up going with the Glock 21 ( 45 acp ). I also have a s&w 357 revolver for the exact reasons above ( my wife can shoot it well with 38s). I don't think 9mm has enough power behind it but would be a great practice gun.

[Ketzer]

If you're talking about specifically inside your house, like maybe a nightstand weapon, I would suggest something like this...
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=638&category=Revolver
Taurus Judge.
It can shoot a .45 or a 410 shotgun shell. With the 410, you've got serious close quarters hit, but it's not gonna travel all throught the house and hurt your family. Easy for your wife/gf to learn and with a shotgun pattern out of a pistol, they don't have to be super accurate in a high stress moment. You gotta think about how far the bullet will go through thin azz sheetrock (even a 9mm).

Now if you're talkin about a carry weapon for any situation, I like larger caliber. I want immeadiate nuetralization of the threat. I want to stop the danger permanently.


Jeff-

[Derek69SS]

Inside the home, a tactical pump shotgun loaded with 00-Buck... Huge stopping power, and won't over-penetrate into other rooms or the neighbor's house... and if something goes wrong, you can still use it to club them over the head. ;)

For a handgun to C&C, then the biggest thing is to get comfortable with it, which takes firing a lot of rounds through it... A gun you're afraid to shoot doesn't do you any good. I'm really liking the Springfield XD models, although I haven't made a purchase yet. I'm leaning toward the 9mm due to ammo cost, and recoil compared to 40 S&W and 45ACP.

[GregWeld]

If you're talking about specifically inside your house, like maybe a nightstand weapon, I would suggest something like this...
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=638&category=Revolver
Taurus Judge.
It can shoot a .45 or a 410 shotgun shell. With the 410, you've got serious close quarters hit, but it's not gonna travel all throught the house and hurt your family. Easy for your wife/gf to learn and with a shotgun pattern out of a pistol, they don't have to be super accurate in a high stress moment. You gotta think about how far the bullet will go through thin azz sheetrock (even a 9mm).

Now if you're talkin about a carry weapon for any situation, I like larger caliber. I want immeadiate nuetralization of the threat. I want to stop the danger permanently.


Jeff-



Jeff -- This is great info - and thinking about a slug going through bedroom walls etc is really good info -- I like the 410 "option" -- very smart!

[Roblee67]

If you have the wife using it for home protection I would definatly recommend the .357 revolver...it has more than enough stopping power and the women can handle it without any problems...My wife and I both concealed carry and I personally carry a .45 or a .40 ACP at all times, my wife carries a .38 revolver or her compact 9mm,....But she feels most comfortable with the revolvers, do to the fact that it is just point and shoot, no worries about pulling back the slide or jamming......"The Judge" they are talking about is also a great idea, but it packs a pretty good punch for most women!! Just my opinion!!

[Smitty67]

I have a friend who owns a gun shop. He always said the best weapon for home defense is a shotgun.

[jbutlr]

from what I remember a 357 mag has more knock down power than a .45. Something like 1200 fps and 500 ft/lb out of a typical 158 g bullet for the 357 vs. 950 fps with 350-360 ft/lbs energy out of a 180 g bullet for the .45.


The .357 and 9mm do not have the knock down power like the .40 or .45. If you want to knock them on there rear you want the .45. But depending on the barrel length and the gun a .45 is tougher to handle. So if your wife/gf could potentially use it then you'll need to take that into consideration. But in all likelyhood if you shoot at an intruder with anything they will run. I am in the markey for a 4" .40 and thats what I would recommend. A smaller person can handle it and they still have good power behind it. If you are wanting to use more than a home defense weapon I would get a .357 or 9mm because the .357 revolver you can shoot a .38 or .380 (not sure which one) out of the same gun and that makes it cheaper also the 9mm rounds are cheap to target shoot. Hope this helps and sorry for such a long answer!

[ProdigyCustoms]

In side the house a shotgun is the best bet. Shoot it down the hallway, your sure not to miss.

For a Handgun, bigger is better especially at short range. We have quite a few guns. I have a HK45 I simply LOVE! We take friends shooting with us often and of all our guns the HK45 is always our friends favorite. Lisa and I each have HK P30 9MMs which are very nice, almost exactly like the HK45 grip, but cheaper to shoot, but everyone seems better with the big boy 45.

I have a really good one to carry, a Sig P239, which is a single rack clip so it is narrow, easier to conceal. It is a 40 Cal. and has plenty of stopping power. I added a laser to the 40 cal. besides the accuracy, the thought process with that laser is if you point it at someone there is a high likelyhood you won't have to pull the trigger.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Derek, look at the HK45, the recoil hollow point 230 gr round is equal to our 9MM with 147 GR rounds. The gun is so well balanced my sons 4'11", 90 LB girlfriend likes the HK45 the best. New it is pricey (about $1050) but well worth it. I grabbed one in like new condition for $750 off the HK Pro forum.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/HK45.jpg

[acohoon]

I went looking for a handgun last summer. The first people I asked for advice were my friends who had been to Iraq. They all agreed 9mm's especially Berettas stunk. I didn't want the revolver because of ammo capacity, that took me the semi auto direction. I wanted a gun that had power and I would feel ok leaving with the little lady when I was gone for work. That led me to the Smith&Wesson M&P 40. Get it in the full size version if your not going to carry it, it will help with recoil. Kick isnt a factor and the gun will hit everything I aim it at within 20 yards without much effort on my part.

[Joel145]

looking into buying a handgun for protection and every time i go to the gun store the confuse me so I'll ask you guys.

The best gun is the one you feel most comfortable with. Find a friend wih loats of guns or range where you can rent different calibers, gun types and handle sizes. Pratice, practice, practice. You have to be super comfortable with whatever gun you get; remember, chances are if ever have to use that gun, it'll be in the dark and you may be half asleep.

[Steve1968LS2]

I would vote towards a .45 with a low velocity ammunition (to help keep the round from going through too many walls and possibly hitting an unintended person)

I have an HK USP with Corbon ammo.

For a novice then I would go with some type of revolver since the last thing you want is a complicated weapon in inexperienced hands. For example my wife has a Ruger SP101 wheel gun and a S&W (ligher weight) both with .38 +P ammo.

[Spiffav8]

Lot's of good advice so far!

I have to agree with Frank. A shot gun for the house is the best way to go and for a hand gun a HK 40 or 45 with a 4" barrel is an awesome way to go. I carry my HK40 (3") daily and love the fit and feel of it. I also own a Springfield XD 40 (3") and it is a great gun. My wife has the XD 9mm 3" barrel and it to is a great weapon. The ONLY reason we go with the 3" barrel is for concealment! I shoot a lot of different hand guns on a regular basis. I really like the XD series. I would give serious consideration to the Springfield XD 9mm with a 4" barrel and use Spear Gold Dot ammo to up the stopping power a bit. It has great magazine capacity, a nicer trigger, it's easy to operate and you're wife can shoot it no problem.

I suggest you go to a range that rents guns. Shoot everything you are considering in all calibers. Take your wife with you! Start with a 45 and work your way down to a 9mm. The right gun is the one that you feel most comfortable with. Keep in mind that you may not be the one pulling the trigger when the perp comes a knocking.

Hit Marine71 up with a PM and ask him. Andy is a firearms instructor and can offer some very good advice on this subject.

[Steve1968LS2]

Inside the home, a tactical pump shotgun loaded with 00-Buck... Huge stopping power, and won't over-penetrate into other rooms or the neighbor's house... and if something goes wrong, you can still use it to club them over the head. ;)


The only problem I have with a shotgun for home defense is the size. It would be the best for holding a defensive postion, but tough to wield in cramped quarters (ie, down a hallway, clearing around corners).

What ever you get make sure you hit the range often and do refresher trips. Also, make sure you and your family have the right mindset and know the laws about how you can defend yourself. Then again the old saying of "I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6" is pretty true.

The mental part is the most important. I've had this talk with my wife and she understands that if she has a gun she must also be willing to take a life with it. The alternative is that she just provided a weapon to the intruder.

[akrapovic]

I have a Glock 17 for home defense pistol. With proper ammunition selection, the stop rate of a 9mm is within 1% plus/minus of a 45. Also, follow up shots with a 9mm are quicker/easier due to less recoil. Not to say a 45's recoil is going to kill you but it is noticeably greater. Glocks are like the Honda of the gun world. Not the prettiest, not the fastest but it always works. I can't even begin to tell you the things I have put mine through....Thousands of rounds later it's still ticking.

Shotguns are not necessarily the best options. A miss conception is that the buckshot will not over penetrate. I can tell you from personal experience that 00 buck will go through multiple layer of drywall/doors. Believe it or not with the correct ammo an AR15 is better regarding over penetration. They are also much more fun to accessorize:thumbsup:

[ProdigyCustoms]

Believe it or not with the correct ammo an AR15 is better regarding over penetration. They are also much more fun to accessorize:thumbsup:

The noise alone from this sucker will knock a intruder down! Looks a little obscene on the nightstand though!

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/PWSDiablo.jpg

[akrapovic]

Lol. Short barrel ARs are a different story all together. You're right they are pretty loud. We have 11.5 length AR's for entry work that are atrocious without the surefire suppressors attached.

Nice boom stick by the way. Here's one of my 100-600yds tools.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/akrapovic/DSC_0045-1.jpg

[GregWeld]

I tried all of you guys suggestions -- but I finally just mounted a Dillon Aero on the footboard of the bed. One quick trigger pull and the the entire wall was gone -- clear to the front of the house. That ought to scare those pesky intruders off. It's really neat at Halloween too!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYvEFATaRMY

[jcal87]

Well I'm in the military as well so I'm qualified sharp shooter with the 9mm. This gun doesn't impress me to much not enough power. I do not have a wife or girlfriend (as of now). I really love the 357 mag I owned a colt king cobra for a long time great gun one of the best Ive owned but i want to conceal as well so I'm really looking into the xd 40 and xd 45 they feel great and all the reviews are just outstanding. the colt 1911 really does it for me to though but not so good for concealment.My debate is probably really between .40 and .45

[groovyjay]

This bad boy gets them every time:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3054/2376422776_e58eeb13d3_b.jpg

Load it with soapy water, that will hurt their eyes...

[XLexusTech]

How abot this http://www.bullygang.com/images/cruella.jpg

Or for a real serious protector

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/anatolianshepherd.htm

If you serious about a Gun (I would advice against it simply because of the statsistics) then Get a Pump shotgun their is nothing as chilling of a sound as the racinig of a pump to scare the !@# out of any intruder.

For CCW go titanuim..

[Steve1968LS2]

Great video on wall penetration...

http://www.downrange.tv/bestdefense/wall-penetration.htm

[BBC69Camaro]

Another classic on various rounds going thru all sorts of stuff:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/

[Dayton]

.357... you can practice all day with .38 ammo, then load it with some nice .357 hollow points and really make someone's day go all to hell. The revolver is easy to fire without complex safety levers or "racking" procedures. ......... With a revolver, if one round fails to fire, you just pull the trigger again.
Bill

X2:thumbsup:
S&W .357 7 shot revolver in night stand next to bed.
I use my 9mm to shoot tin cans....

[rwhite692]

If cost is a factor, and you are buying new, it's hard to beat the Beretta PX4 Storm in 9mm. Also check out the Springfield XD9. Don't buy until you shoot. Many ranges which are also gun shops, will rent various pistols for you to try out.

As far as which caliber, I would emphasize the 9mm since the ammo is relatively cheap and therfore you will tend to get more economical range time with it...and therefore shoot (practice) with it more...Whatever you buy, spend enough time at the range and get professional instruction so that you feel capable with the firearm. That is the most important thing.

[tyoneal]

I tried all of you guys suggestions -- but I finally just mounted a Dillon Aero on the footboard of the bed. One quick trigger pull and the the entire wall was gone -- clear to the front of the house. That ought to scare those pesky intruders off. It's really neat at Halloween too!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYvEFATaRMY
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That's a good modest home defense gun for sure.

Nothing says love better than buying a Mini-Gun for the Mrs. :unibrow:

I know mine would love one.

Ty

[Bowtieracing]

Are you guys living in a Iraq ? Or somewhere close to it..

[Beegs]

Are you guys living in a Iraq ? Or somewhere close to it..


No...we just happen to have the right to bear arms....:yes:

[Steve1968LS2]

Are you guys living in a Iraq ? Or somewhere close to it..

Most of Iraq is safer thnn many of our larger cities and some of us would rather not sit around like sheep hoping the wolves of the world butcher someone else.

[BBC69Camaro]

No...we just happen to have the right to bear arms....:yes:

Bear arms? Like this?

http://tomgpalmer.com/wp-content/uploads/legacy-images/Bear%20Arms%20a%20Right.jpg
http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/772000/772056_d6ca_625x1000.jpg

:D

The way I figure it, no one but you (even the police) is responsible for you and your family's safety, you best be prepared to defend yourself if the time ever comes. I hope it never does, but I want to be well armed if it ever comes to pass.

I like my Glock 17 and Mossberg 590A1
http://fototime.com/DDB9D1A92202460/standard.jpg

9 rounds in the shotgun, 6 on the side saddle and 4 in the stock. Having watched what bullets do to interior walls, a shotgun with like #4 shot would be by choice of home defense. Given that I don't want a stray bullet injuring or killing my loved ones or neighbors (since I live in the city). The Glock is just for getting to the gun safe and getting the shotgun or as a backup.

[patriot68]

try an xd or colt officers model 45

[GM Muscle]

im in love with my springfeild xd40..

[Spiffav8]

If cost is a factor, and you are buying new, it's hard to beat the Beretta PX4 Storm in 9mm. Also check out the Springfield XD9.


I owned a PX4 Storm but it was a 40. Great Gun! (Regret selling it) I second this recommendation.

[Steve1968LS2]

Having watched what bullets do to interior walls, a shotgun with like #4 shot would be by choice of home defense. Given that I don't want a stray bullet injuring or killing my loved ones or neighbors (since I live in the city). The Glock is just for getting to the gun safe and getting the shotgun or as a backup.

That really depends on the ammo used. About the only shotty round that wont penetrate multiple walls is bird shot.

There are several very high tech (and expensive) handgun rounds that address the wall penetration.

DRT is good stuff (the military nicknamed it Dead Right There.. lol)

http://drtammo.com/products.html

And then there's the stuff from Glaser..

https://dakotaammo.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=24_101&products_id=163

[-Freak-]

If you're talking about specifically inside your house, like maybe a nightstand weapon, I would suggest something like this...
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=638&category=Revolver
Taurus Judge.
It can shoot a .45 or a 410 shotgun shell. With the 410, you've got serious close quarters hit, but it's not gonna travel all throught the house and hurt your family. Easy for your wife/gf to learn and with a shotgun pattern out of a pistol, they don't have to be super accurate in a high stress moment. You gotta think about how far the bullet will go through thin azz sheetrock (even a 9mm).

Now if you're talkin about a carry weapon for any situation, I like larger caliber. I want immeadiate nuetralization of the threat. I want to stop the danger permanently.


Jeff-


Exactly. Keep in mind that you are legally responsible for every bullet that comes out of the weapon. So if you shoot an intruder but the round passes through and into the neighbors house and kills someone or a family member in the same house you will be in a world of ****.

Nothing instills fear like hearing someone cock a shotgun.

[Derek69SS]

The Glock is just for getting to the gun safe and getting the shotgun or as a backup.
The purpose of a handgun is for shooting your way to your long gun. :rofl:

[Josh69]

I vote shotgun. I keep my 9mm w/laser in the nightstand but the 870 is what I'll be reaching for. The wife can sit tight with the 9 while I deal with the situation. No one in their right mind is going to take a stand against a 12ga. You rack it once, the only thing on their minds is how to get the hell out of the house. You don't want to be in a shootout, period. I don't care how much stopping power you have with a sidearm, 9 out of 10 shooters won't hit the broad side of a barn under duress, much less have an effective 2nd shot placement. It's already been said on here, the best gun, is the one you can shoot.....especially under duress. Better yet, the best gun is the one you don't have to shoot. Rack a 12ga, the intruder will head for the hills.

[rwhite692]

I vote shotgun. I keep my 9mm w/laser in the nightstand but the 870 is what I'll be reaching for. The wife can sit tight with the 9 while I deal with the situation...

Exactly. My Benelli supernova makes quite a "racket" when I "rack it" LOL

[Derek69SS]

Derek, look at the HK45
If I keep buying guns, I'll never be able to order those Fikse's from you. ;) The local gun shop has a used XD-9 for $440 that I'm thinking real hard about... wish I could fire some rounds through it first though. :) I really want to stay under ~$500

[Stuart Adams]

I have a sawed of shotgun, you rack a shotgun and that is usually all you need. That distinct sound is like no other, in the dark especially.

[Hulley]

If my Akita doesnt get them my FNP-40 will, or my Taurus 1911 SS, or my RRA arms AR15 with Eotech512! The dumbass who breaks in my house will never see daylight again! :unibrow:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

i like my Springfield XD subcompact..

mines a 40 cal.. but it has great control.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2003_Day3/DSC05735.jpg

[XLexusTech]

Are you guys living in a Iraq ? Or somewhere close to it..

Mods if this is a violation please remove with my apologies. But this is what it's like these days, its not Iraq but hometown USA

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1248628512/Armed_Gunman_Confronts_Skateboarder

[wedged]

I've got a .40 XDm and the wife has a Sig P232 with a Crimson Trace laser. I'm building an AR-15. I'd like to get a shotgun. The wife and I would both like to get another handgun or three. :lol: Maybe a compact 1911 or a 9 mm... or ...

[wedged]

Mods if this is a violation please remove with my apologies. But this is what it's like these days, its not Iraq but hometown USA

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1248628512/Armed_Gunman_Confronts_Skateboarder

DAMN ! The kid in the red shorts stopped too soon after opening the can off whoop a$$. The kids got guts though for not running. Possibly not the smartest thing to have done...

[monza]

You guys are going to share the shiit out of the Euro dudes on here... there never going to visit.:_paranoid

[Hulley]

:rofl:

[jcal87]

Mods if this is a violation please remove with my apologies. But this is what it's like these days, its not Iraq but hometown USA

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1248628512/Armed_Gunman_Confronts_Skateboarder


I love it!!! by the way I just got done buying my new gun XD45 now all i have to do is wait 10 days for these dumb ass California gun control commies to hand it over:cool:

[sunset68]

I like the glock 20, 10mm does some sweet work. Spendy ammo, but definately has knockdown power. Just dont shoot it in a trailer park, you will definately take out a few neighbors! I also have a XD-9 with 16 rounds and a Para hip cap 45 with 14 rounds, and 870 with 5 of 00 buck, and three loaded clips, and....

[Derek69SS]

Great video on wall penetration...

http://www.downrange.tv/bestdefense/wall-penetration.htmThanks for sharing that Steve! :thumbsup: I think you have me convinced to load the first 2 rounds with birdshot... if I'm still shooting after 2, I think I'll want the 00-Buck for the remainder and after 4, I'll start thinking about retreating to the gun cabinet to retrieve the AK-47 :willy:

I just wish I could get my wife into it... I'd feel better about having guns in the house if I knew she could hold down a defensive position in the kid's room with my Browning BPS if ever needed. She has no interest in learning how to use them :rolleyes:

[Hulley]

I just wish I could get my wife into it... I'd feel better about having guns in the house if I knew she could hold down a defensive position in the kid's room with my Browning BPS if ever needed. She has no interest in learning how to use them :rolleyes:

I have a RRA AR-15 and a Taurus SS1911 because thats what my wife WANTED! Dont get me wrong. I wanted them too, I just wanted more car parts first! :D

[DriverzInc]

Just found this post, and its funny, because I just started shopping for a gun myself, and had similar questions. Never thought I'd be finding research on this topic here, but hey, its all good.

[RaceMan]

I say 45 , no questions to ask to the scumbag , he's dead!!! :thumbsup:

[Weldon0405]

You will get almost as many answers as there are options; however, I personally carry either a 1911 (.45 ACP) or a Sig P220 (.45 ACP).

For reccomendations... Begin by holding any pistols you can get your hand on (along with anyone else you may want to use it for personal defense; such as spouse). Once you've found a pistol that feels good in your hands then you should find a location where you can either test fire or rent that weapon (preferably in various calibers). Pick the largest caliber everyone involved can shoot comfortably.

My wife uses a Sig P229 (9mm). All of the calibers you've listed are more than capable of stopping a man sized target. Just make sure you choose quality home defense ammo. The biggest thing to remember is to find a weapon you are comfortable handling. If you are comfortable, you will practice. If you practice, your shot placement will be sufficient. If you have good shot placement... you can kill what your target.

[Joel145]

If you use a shotgun and wall penetration is a major concern, how about using some of these or at least use it as your first shot. I know a lot of people say "if you're going to shoot, shoot to kill" but this is also a viable option to stop a treat.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x160/joel102223/als-bean-bag-roundbig.jpg

[GregWeld]

If you use a shotgun and wall penetration is a major concern, how about using some of these or at least use it as your first shot. I know a lot of people say "if you're going to shoot, shoot to kill" but this is also a viable option to stop a treat.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x160/joel102223/als-bean-bag-roundbig.jpg


Do they make these loads for my Dillon Aero??:rofl:

Check out this video on Utube!! EEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOyt6imlgLo

[Joel145]

Do they make these loads for my Dillon Aero??:rofl:

Check out this video on Utube!! EEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOyt6imlgLo

That's the ultimate road rage SUV:unibrow:

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have dropped every hint possible what I want for Christmas. I hope she has been saving! Almost to pretty to fire!

45 Cal 1911 Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II complete with wood laser grip.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/CrimsonUltraCarryII.jpg

[Joel145]

I have dropped every hint possible what I want for Christmas. I hope she has been saving! Almost to pretty to fire!

45 Cal 1911 Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II complete with wood laser grip.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/CrimsonUltraCarryII.jpg

Nice!! Hey Frank, where do you go shooting in the Orlando area. I know theres plenty of indoor ranges and with all the recent shooting/suicides they have had recently, I don't know which ones have good safety procedures. We usually shoot long guns and rather shoot 100yds+. We have to really good ranges down here in Brevard/Indian river counties but when my buddies want to go shooting they usually come down here.

[ProdigyCustoms]

We pretice at Shoot Straight Apopka which is literly is walking distance from the shop. Shoot Straight Casselberry is where the murder / suicide (mom / son) happened. That was a rental gun deal. Shoot Straight stopped renting guns after that. People come in, rent a gun, go blow their brains out!

Shoot Straight Apopka is expanding their long gun stalls, but still only 75 yards

[BLACKJACK]

I have dropped every hint possible what I want for Christmas. I hope she has been saving! Almost to pretty to fire!

45 Cal 1911 Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II complete with wood laser grip.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/CrimsonUltraCarryII.jpg

luv that wood laser grip:thumbsup:

[Mark S.]

i like my Springfield XD subcompact..

mines a 40 cal.. but it has great control.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2003_Day3/DSC05735.jpg

This thing looks just like my Glock 27. It's a .40 cal too and is good if you can get within 10 feet of your target.

[Derek69SS]

I just bought one of these today...

http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/selector/SPRINGFIELD-XD9-SERVICE-1207-1_1.jpg

I'll get to the range with it Saturday if the weather is nice.

[Spiffav8]

I just bought one of these today...

http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/selector/SPRINGFIELD-XD9-SERVICE-1207-1_1.jpg

I'll get to the range with it Saturday if the weather is nice.

Nice! I have the XD40 and my wife has the XD9. Both are really nice. I think you made a very good choice. :thumbsup:

[John510]

I have an airsoft M45 that I accidentally shot off a round once in the house so I dont think I will be safe with a real gun. The airsoft was powerful enough to put a dent in the sheetrock.

I will stick to my home alarm system instead since I am too accident prone

[doitbby]

if you plan on using a semi-auto pistol for home defense, you better know how to use it. my advice coming from being raised in east oakland, remington police model pump shotgun and a 357 revolver as backup.

[67rstbkt]

The Judge by Taurus gets my vote, but if not I would go with an XD-40 or 45
I've shot the 45 before and was real impressed with it. I've never shot a Judge, but it just makes sense to me for the bullet travelling aspect. I'm not looking to shoot the neighbors through the wall, just the violent criminal breaking into my house :thumbsup:

[Derek69SS]

The Judge by Taurus gets my vote, but if not I would go with an XD-40 or 45
I've shot the 45 before and was real impressed with it. I've never shot a Judge, but it just makes sense to me for the bullet travelling aspect. I'm not looking to shoot the neighbors through the wall, just the violent criminal breaking into my house :thumbsup:
It didn't get very good reviews as a defense gun here: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

...seems to not provide enough penetration to actually STOP that violent criminal. :(

[dropit69]

have to agree on the shotgun for home protection..but nothing wrong with a handgun for backup..lol

[Theresa]

I have a 9mm semi (Glock) and a .357 (revolver). I love both am super comfortable with both. That's the key - YOU have to have a comfort level where you can grab it & (God forbid) use it at a moments notice. If you're buying one for the home & you're married - take your wife. There's no sense in only one of you being able to use it if an ugly situation arises.

[CraigMorrison]

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

6.5" barrel 12 Gauge - Serbu Super Shorty - I'd think that recoil might be a bit strong.

G26 for me - adj sights and with G17 mags you have plenty of rounds. Great shooting pistol as well.

[jy211]

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

6.5" barrel 12 Gauge - Serbu Super Shorty - I'd think that recoil might be a bit strong.





Craig just beat me to this! :thumbsup:

[Derek69SS]

Thanks for sharing that Steve! :thumbsup: I think you have me convinced to load the first 2 rounds with birdshot... if I'm still shooting after 2, I think I'll want the 00-Buck for the remainder and after 4, I'll start thinking about retreating to the gun cabinet to retrieve the AK-47 :willy:
I have thought about this some more, and am back to 00-buck for all the rounds... the reason is that inside my home, any shots I will take will most likely be away from the bedrooms, any shots an armed intruder might take, would be at me, toward the bedrooms. I'd prefer to stop him dead right there before HE starts spraying bullets that penetrate walls and hurt my family.

The only way my family would be at risk from my rounds would be if the intruder is already in my bedroom... then I'm already F'd, and won't have time to chamber a round anyway.

[70rs]

Shotgun as a primary defense weapon. Hand gun as back up. Both need to be high enough power to stop the threat and light enough to NOT kill your kids or nieghbors. I have a 20ga pump Remington with heavy bird shot and a 45acp Glock. Either way, the bad guy is going to have a bad day in my house. The shotgun is much safer in the house. But with the right ammo most handguns will be somewhat safe. (as far as overpenetrating walls)

Bottom line is that I hope to NEVER have to find out how good either work in my house.
Get a dog and a good alarm, then you should never need the guns. But keep 'em just in case.

[Vegas69]

I want my protection right next to me. As much as I'd love to hang my over under over the head board, probably wont' fly with the old lady. :D

[70rs]

The two are never far from each other. And the handgun is always close by. I don't personally do this but I have friends who have handguns stashed in every little corner they can fit them in. Under the couch cushions, in the recliner, behind the TV, kitchen cabinets and drawers too, bathroom cabinets.....you get the idea. I figure if I need that much firepower in my home with that kind of access, maybe I need to find a better place to live.:cheers:

[Dayton]

xxxxx

[Vegas69]

:rofl:

[eville]

I'll take my HK USP9 any day with a 15 round mag full of corbon +p.
I keep a small bright LED flashlight and my second chance Kevlar nearby.... just in case.

Of course if I had more money I'd take an HK 45.

[CraigMorrison]

I'll take my HK USP9 any day with a 15 round mag full of corbon +p.

OMG 15 round mag!!!:wow: Doesn't the Peoples Republic of California frown on such a high capacity killing-spree sort of magazine?

[ProdigyCustoms]

Doesn't the Peoples Republic of California frown on such a high capacity killing-spree sort of magazine?

ROFLMAO!

My HK P30s have 15 round clips also. Fun at the range.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/HKP30.jpg

[eville]

OMG 15 round mag!!!:wow: Doesn't the Peoples Republic of California frown on such a high capacity killing-spree sort of magazine?

The PRK only cares if they were purchased after the ban. How do they know when mine were purchased in Utah? :D

[CraigMorrison]

http://images49.fotki.com/v1520/photos/4/453080/1755002/PB10ss-vi.jpg


Steve - Diane Feinstein is going to track you down and take those Utah mags away. I am sure the black helicopters are on their way........

[Beegs]

http://images49.fotki.com/v1520/photos/4/453080/1755002/PB10ss-vi.jpg


Steve - Diane Feinstein is going to track you down and take those Utah mags away. I am sure the black helicopters are on their way........

LOL
:lol:

[eville]

http://images49.fotki.com/v1520/photos/4/453080/1755002/PB10ss-vi.jpg


Steve - Diane Feinstein is going to track you down and take those Utah mags away. I am sure the black helicopters are on their way........

It's funny, Feinstein and State Senate Don Perata at one time were the only two people in NorCal who had their CCW. So about a year ago, Perata is carjacked in Oakland driving his '07 State Owned Dodge Charger rolling on 22's. Bitch didnt even try and defend himself. I joked, too bad Feinstein wasnt riding shotgun. It could have been a good ole' ganster shootout. Hypocrites.

[jy211]

I'll stay with my K23, and my beta mag. You gotta love Florida..this thing is classed as a pistol! :D :lol:

[eville]

I'll stay with my K23, and my beta mag. You gotta love Florida..this thing is classed as a pistol! :D :lol:

And in the PRK, the taurus judge is a shot gun with a barrel length less than 18" and is therefore illegal.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus-Judge/DSC00272.jpg

[jy211]

And in the PRK, the taurus judge is a shot gun with a barrel length less than 18" and is therefore illegal.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus-Judge/DSC00272.jpg

Got something like that for the water moccosins here :lol:

[ItDoRun]

I bought the Springfield Arms XD-40. Nice gun for the money and hopefully more than I should ever need.

[CraigMorrison]

And in the PRK, the taurus judge is a shot gun with a barrel length less than 18" and is therefore illegal.

Well, in WA state you can own a pistol-grip 12 gauge with a 6.5" barrel, but you can't own a rifle with a barrel less than 16". No SBR's for us :(. You can also own a supressor, but you can't use it in the state - it has to be used in OR or ID.

[70rs]

Craig, how do you like that idiot law. I live here too and see supressors in all the shops, drop in barrels for my guns and all kinds of cool stuff. BUT I can't use any of it here! That sucks, I have a cat problem in the area and don't want to wake up the nieghbors with the 12 ga. LOL!!

[orange67vert]

They say that it cost $20000. for each bullet fired, to protect yourself in the court of law so the fewer the better. Also do not fire at some one running away from you!!!!! I personally would only fire at some one coming toward me or a family member.I would take a hand gun class, You can rent a hand gun for your wife at the shooting range to tech her how to handle a fire arm.

[Mick Mc]

Home defense, buy a shotgun
Home defense, buy a shotgun
Home defense, buy a shotgun

1. the universal sound of shotgun being cocked will scare off most people.
2. you can always hold the shotgun down the hall and pull the trigger and most likely hit something.
3. great club if you need it.
4. swings like a bat too.

Facts
You're going to be asleep, tired, groggy.
You're going to be shaking, and you're heart will feel like it's going to come out of you're chest.
You're going to be nervous.
It's going to be at night.
You're not going to know if its the kids, your cat or a squirrel.

YOU'RE GOING TO MISS

96% of all shots are within seven feet
97% of all shots miss

The flash of a gun at night will blind you (especially a 9mm)
The sound of a gun at night will make you think you're deaf, added if it's in a closed room or hallway.


Buy a shot gun. Give yourself a chance to hit something.

Plus you won't find you kids playing with it. Something about a big, cold steel shot gun and the whole curiosity and kids thing seems to be diminished.



Mick

[fesler]

Well said Mick.

That is what I have a nice short Riot Shot Gun with 8 shells ready to go and 6 on the side. Night flash light and a nice laser site so you know where you are going to hit. Not that that really matters but it’s better to be safe and let your attacker know you mean business. I have double ot buck shot and then a slug one after the other so I am sure they will go down and stay down permanently.

If that fails I have a nice HK 45MM with laser site as well and a 9MM as back up with armor piercing bullets. You can never be to safe and at the end of the day its about putting the other guy down and protecting your family.

[70rs]

In theses times it is just as important to remember to have a damn good lawyer after any kind of situation involving shooting another person. No matter what the reason is. Even the guy that was going to kill you and your whole family can sue you after breaking into your home. If you only wound him you can still do a lot of time in prison. And if you kill the bad guy, you have a very high chance of becoming the bad guy when it ends up in court. These worthless lawyers that represent the families of the intruder try to make it seem as if you just killed a saint and that you are a mad man and out looking to kill people.
How would you like to pay damages to some a**hole that meant you great harm, in your own home. And because he broke in and forced you to defend your self and family now you are the bad guy. You go to prison, your wife has to sell everything you own to defend yourself in court and then pay restitution to this idiots family or to him directly. Now he is living the high life while you rot in jail and your kids and wife have no father/husband at home. Oh, wait. There is no home now. They live with relatives because with you in jail and every penny of income goes to the douche that wanted to kill you.
This crap happens all the time. But in the long run I would rather have him dead and my family safe. If that means I have to suffer so be it.
Sorry for the rant. Between the news and a few friends in law enforcement and the stories I hear I am a little wound up.:cheers:

[Steve1968LS2]

There's more to having a home defense weapon than HUGE rounds or silly gadgets.

Big, powerful rounds can penetrate walls and kill people in the next room.. hell, in the next house.

Complicated weapons and "gadgets" are more of a hinderance if you're not proficient in thier use. You get ganked while trying to turn on your laser.

Keep it simple and "train, train, train"..

I have a HK .45 USP for my main home defense gun and it's loaded with either low velocity Corbon ammo that is designed not to over penetrate or, even better, Glaser safty slugs. The Glaser stuff is almost in the witchcraft catagory it's so cool. Great stopping power, but unlikely to blow through several walls and kill those it's not intended for.

Believe it or not 12ga bird shot in a home defense situation can be very effective at close range since it doesn't have time to spread. And unlike 00 buck you won't have a **** ton of pellets flying through walls.

So, the best handgun for home defense is a quality weapon that you train with and that you train your family on. For those that arn't mechanically inclined there's nothing wrong with a good revolver like the Ruger SP-101 since it can take 38 +p or .357 rounds. For an automatic there's a ton of choices from XDs to Glocks to Sigs.. the important thing is to train until the weapon becomes an extension.

Also, know your target.. it's sad when you hear of someone shooting a family member that came home late and just forgot thier keys.

Lastly, know the laws of your state.. it's a lot different in CA than say Texas or Florida. But, in the end the old saying "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" always applies.

Be smart, it's not like in the movies :)

[70rs]

I agree Steve. Train, train, train! Know how to use what you have, make your home safe and keep your head on straight.:thumbsup:

[spchiv]

I threw a young man out of my house at 1:00 a.m. on a Thursday morning because he had previously given my daughter drugs and she ended up in the hospital. At the time I told him never to come back to my place or there would be trouble. I guess I was a little too rough (I didn't hurt him at all, just threw him on the floor and made my point "face-to-face"). The next day the police arrested me, cuffed me in my kitchen, and walked me down my drive and took me to jail. $4,000 later all charges were dropped, but I had to go to anger management classes. Those classes really pissed me off. Now I have a Sig P220, but still need to learn how to use it. As soon as the real estate market changes, I'm moving. Someone else can pay taxes to support the community.

[CreepinDeth]

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

More info then you can possibly imagine on this topic with pics.
You will have information overload at the end of it. :D

Myself....I prefer a .40 or .45.
I use to sleep with my 92FS Taurus 9mm.....until I discovered it has a nasty
ability to overpenetrate due to the higher velocity and can go through walls
and accidentally injure someone else you didn't intend to.

Read this post http://forum.pafoa.org/50747-post-4.html

[ZZ3ElCamino]

I just purchased a Sig P229 .40. Pretty slick! Either way it's not going to feel good getting shot with any of the rounds listed, and it's not like you only have a 1 round magazine.... :thumbsup:

[70rs]

New XD sub compact here. Great carry weapon and home defense too.

[T_Raven]

The authors of this site have some good perspective on all of this http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/propertycrime.html The whole site has good info, it's totally changed how I think about self defense.

I love guns and even have a conceiled carry permit, but this has been a much debated topic for me and my friends and coworkers. I think everyone should have guns and be trained to use them, BUT if you want to keep your family safe, using a gun in the middle of the night should be a last resort.

I don't yet own a house (4 years in Iraq and counting) but when I do, making the house secure will be a top priority. I know too many people that think they are bad a$$es because they sleep with a gun by the bed and think everything will be just like the movies if they actually have to use it. Sure if someone wants in they'll get in, but would you rather spend a couple grand on a security system and make most criminals choose an easier target, or have blood and bullet holes all over your house, a tramatized family, and possible go to prison?

Don't forget intruders aren't the only dangers at home. Got fire extinguishters and a plan in case of a fire? Got a good first aid kit? Are emergency numbers posted by the phone?

[CreepinDeth]

I know too many people that think they are bad a$$es because they sleep with a gun by the bed and think everything will be just like the movies if they actually have to use it. Sure if someone wants in they'll get in, but would you rather spend a couple grand on a security system and make most criminals choose an easier target, or have blood and bullet holes all over your house, a tramatized family, and possible go to prison?

So true. So very very true.
A home security system is definitely a great deterrent if you can afford it.
I myself believe in a LARGE canine security system, but even those aren't foolproof.

My pit is my 1st line of defense, if I hear him barking, that's my queue
Living in IL , a very anti-gun state we had the Hale DeMar case (http://reason.com/archives/2005/06/01/self-defense-vsmunicipal-gun-b) which was pretty intense.
Almost made us feel like we were victims on standby......if you defend yourself you go to jail. :rolleyes:

I hope I never have to experience a break in while my family is home or not.

[70rs]

My gun is my LAST resort. 1st is a security system, then two dogs, then the maze it is to get to the sleeping area of the house. If they (an intruder) decide they want to make it that far, well so be it. The last thing I want is "blood and bullets" all over my house or to have my family subjected to anything of the sort.
Tha last thing I ever want to do in this life is to shoot another person.

BUT...when all else fails and it is us or them I will not let my family be victims.

I really do think anyone who owns a gun for protection should be fully trained in the use of that gun. Safety is the biggest factor. Anyone who does not take it serious is just asking for major problems and is better off not having a gun in the home in the first place.

Be safe!!:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Wouldn't you rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6?

[T_Raven]

Wouldn't you rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6?

When ever I hear this stupid saying I picture someone chanting it to themself while they put on all their gear and camo face paint so they can go out and LOOK for a situation where they need to shoot someone, and then claim it was self defense.

I'd rather avoid both situations at all costs, but if it comes right down to it, I won't hesitate to kill someone that's trying to kill me no matter how I have to do it. I also expect I'll be spending a lot of time locked up if I ever do have to kill someone. But really, why would anyone be trying to kill me? Anyone breaking into my house to rob me would probably wait till I'm not there. If not I'll have a security system and a dog or two, if those don't scare them off then the shot gun will be waiting, but shooting it will be a last resort. Any mugger on the street is either going to kill me before I even know he's there, or he'll probably just take my money and run.

I just think the chances of ever needing to shoot at someone are VERY slim if you take a few precautions. I always hear people tell me that in such and such state you can shoot someone on your property for any reason and it's totally legal. Well not a dang one of them had ever done any research on that, and even if the written law seems to agree, you never know for sure until you're in the court room for killing an intruder.

[T_Raven]

I know I got an email saying there was a response to what I'm assuming was my post lol. But it's not here now. I don't want to sound anti gun, I didn't mean my posts to sound that way. I love guns. I know the original question was which gun, but nothing else was said about the OP's security measures. I just want anyone that wants to keep a gun by the bed to REALLY think everything through. Shooting someone in the middle of the night is going to turn into a nightmare no matter how it plays out. So it's best to try to prevent ever needing to in the first place:cheers:

[70rs]

I know I got an email saying there was a response to what I'm assuming was my post lol. But it's not here now. I don't want to sound anti gun, I didn't mean my posts to sound that way. I love guns. I know the original question was which gun, but nothing else was said about the OP's security measures. I just want anyone that wants to keep a gun by the bed to REALLY think everything through. Shooting someone in the middle of the night is going to turn into a nightmare no matter how it plays out. So it's best to try to prevent ever needing to in the first place:cheers:



Your last line in the above post really says it all.

The whole gun issue is a tough one. There are a lot of different opinions on them. But like politics and religion, leave me out of it and let me live my life without your opinion and I will do the same for you. (meaning the general public and no one specific here:cheers: )

[Project Cortez]

.45 or .40 SIGARMS, thats all I buy. Go to a gun shop that will let you rent them an put afew rounds down range and get a feel for it but nothing beats a SIG.

[NRV2L8]

Your question has touched on alot of nerves, both good and bad. I did not read through all 11 pages of responces, so I'm certain most of my following post has been stated at least once.
My family lives pretty much, "Out in the sticks." Only ONE other home is in view and it's up a steep, single lane road in the woods that is just over 1/4 mile long. Isolated and out of site from just about anyone. We love it, BTW.
As for "Home Protection" a Dog or 2 is really your best protection. They will sound the alarm LONG before you ever realize that someone has broken into your home and afford you the opportunity (time) to respond in whatever manner you decide.
An Intruder can't reason with a Dog. "Lay face down, on the ground." Who is willing to risk serious injury breaking into a home with 1 or 2 Dogs present? Just not worth it.
We have 1 Dog and she is about 75lbs and as gentle as any you will ever meet. Never bit anyone in 11 years and probably never will. Hardly ever barks, BUT if someone unknown is close by. We can't shut her up.
Want to help discourage a "Home Invasion." and are really concerned it may happen. Leave a few lights ON at night, get a Dog, don't brag about your $$$ stuff you have, keep a low profile. Avoid attracking attention to you or your home. Statistics show that most break-in's are committed by someone the victim knows. A security system is fine but whoever is breaking in, is STILL IN before the alarm is sounded.
If a Gun of some sort is your answer. Almost anyone will agree that a Shotgun is the way to go. Hard to miss at close range and you wont tear up everything else in the process. Forget about a Hand Gun. Your upset, panicked and not REALLY ready to deal with what's happening.
Ultimately, IMO prevention is the key. Don't appear to be tempting. Buy sign that states, "Guarded by XYZ". The criminal wont know it's BS and wont risk finding out. Install a few motion sensors outside that will turn on some lights if tripped.
Think about being, "Proactive not Reactive."

[deuce_454]

I have 2 cents worth to add..

its really nor a question of weather its a sig s&w or a glock (id choose the latter) or if its .40 .45 or 9mm auto... its a question of having a gun you are familliar with, that doesnt jam or have elaborate safeties...

Its a matter of having it handy, being able to use it and making sure you never have to...

the DOG argument was a good one, as is lights, alarms and doors you cant run thru...

but when all the passive security fails and the dog is sleeping, or dead?? you need to be able to get your gear fast and have everything ready in one grab. and it needs to be what you get EVERYTIME you hear a noise...

some people swear by a pouch with 2! surefire or simmilar flashlights (two is one, one is none.. it never wioks when its supposed to) a a pepperspray, 2 mags or speedloaders and a sidepocket holding the gun...

and dont get a 500s&w ... i would choose a .357 DA revolver.. there is no safety to fool with.. doesnt require pumping or otherwise, it NEVER jams and 6 rounds of SJHP .357 will ruin everyones day.. and fired from a 4 inch revolver it wil rattle any intruder with the first warningshot aimed center mass...

If it were me that worried about intruders id have a lockable cabinet (unlocked) with a simple tactical or hunting vest that had everything in the pockets and the gun in a chest holster.. all you need is to get out of bed and put it on and you have everything.. flashlights, spary, gun, clips/speedloaders remote to the intruder alarm, keys etc... (the nech pouch is another option.. but not as cool :-) )

[GregWeld]

Best thing to do for home intrusion - just let the wife get out of bed and see what's wrong. If she doesn't come back - you can get on the internet in the morning to find the new car you're going to buy.

[70rs]

Best thing to do for home intrusion - just let the wife get out of bed and see what's wrong. If she doesn't come back - you can get on the internet in the morning to find the new car you're going to buy.

Greg, I don't know what to say. I am having a hard time finding the words. Because I am LAUGHING SO HARD!!!

I knew there was a reason I like you!:rofl: :rofl:

[GregWeld]

Okay -- I found a new video for all you DB gun lovers.... HA HA HA HA

You're going to love this!!!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=steveleeilikeguns#p/u/0/-TC2xTCb_GU

[Young Gun]

Okay -- I found a new video for all you DB gun lovers.... HA HA HA HA

You're going to love this!!!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=steveleeilikeguns#p/u/0/-TC2xTCb_GU

EPIC!

[deuce_454]

Hi,
I love the 357 Mag. but I have had this gun a while and haven't really experienced other hand guns to honestly say which has better impact.I have found my Magnum easy to handle and fire, seems to have the impact necessary.

its one of the best handguns outthere, its capable of one shot stop, unlike a 9mm or .40, and yet its still controllable even on follow-up's (unlike a .44 or larger magnum)

it is equivalent to a 10mm auto in stopping power, and anyohe having fired a 10 and a .40 back to back will know they are two totally different animals

[garickman]

Your best bet would be to find a handgun that you are completley comfortable with and practice until you become very familiar and very proficient with it. Don't get caught up in all the hype about what caliber has the best "knock down power". Shot placement and luck are going to determine what happens at the other end of any situation you may be faced with.

[deuce_454]

Your best bet would be to find a handgun that you are completley comfortable with and practice until you become very familiar and very proficient with it. Don't get caught up in all the hype about what caliber has the best "knock down power". Shot placement and luck are going to determine what happens at the other end of any situation you may be faced with.

so true... i just like the reliability of a DA revolver... it never jams, if it misfires... just pull again.. and with regards to best knock down power... its only a matter of enough.. while a GAU-8 avenger propably has supperior knockdown power, its fairly impractical... :lol:

[GregWeld]

I'm thinking I'd just have my wife kick the intruders Azz while I comfortably sleep undisturbed.

If she doesn't come back by the time I wake - I'll call 9-1-1

[Sunkistcamaro]

I have a Kimber 45 pro tactical II one mag with prefragmented bullets for home use :) and another with hollow points.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/tactical/tactical_pro_II/

[70rs]

I have a Kimber 45 pro tactical II one mag with prefragmented bullets for home use :) and another with hollow points.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/products/pistols/tactical/tactical_pro_II/

Kimbers are great! If you miss and run out of bullets you can always beat the intruder with the heavy SOBs! :lol:


(nice firearm, just too heavy for my liking to carry full time. I got spoiled with "plastic" guns):D

[Vegas69]

I had a Springfield .45 blow up in my face at the range. I decided againsty that particular model.:_paranoid I was already ugly enough.

[70rs]

I had a Springfield .45 blow up in my face at the range. I decided againsty that particular model.:_paranoid I was already ugly enough.

Which Springfield? Was it an XD model?

[Vegas69]

I don't recall. It's been about 5 years. It was a rental unit.

[70rs]

I don't recall. It's been about 5 years. It was a rental unit.

The XD models are newer than that and are made of plastic(the frame is similar to a glock). I have a sub compact version I carry daily and the thought of it blowing up scares the crap out of me.:_paranoid
I have never heard of this model having any problems.

[Vegas69]

It was a steel version.

[70rs]

Good to know. I am glad you were not hurt! Some are not so lucky when that happens.

[Sunkistcamaro]

Kimbers are great! If you miss and run out of bullets you can always beat the intruder with the heavy SOBs! :lol:
(nice firearm, just too heavy for my liking to carry full time. I got spoiled with "plastic" guns):D

Hahaha, I guess I can knock him out if I empty all rounds. :rofl:
My first time shooting was with a Colt 45 and loved it. When it came time to buy the gun rep told me that you buy a Colt for a collectors item, Kimber for the quality. Im glad he did. I tried the Glock but I couldn't stand the double action.
Plus the handle was way to short...

[Sunkistcamaro]

Guns blowing up in your hands sucks!
I had my instructors 44 blow apart in my hands! Holy sheeeet thats scary.
I turned around to the guys behind me and ask if I was bleeding. The pressure on my safety glasses was incredible.

[70rs]

Hahaha, I guess I can knock him out if I empty all rounds. :rofl:
My first time shooting was with a Colt 45 and loved it. When it came time to buy the gun rep told me that you buy a Colt for a collectors item, Kimber for the quality. Im glad he did. I tried the Glock but I couldn't stand the double action.
Plus the handle was way to short...

The most important aspect of the whole thing is that you are comfortable and confident (and competent) with whichever one you own. The 1911 style frames never felt right to me but the Glocks and this Springfield are great for me. I had 4 differrent Glocks and never had any issues, I trust them to work. The only reason for a change was the lack of external saftey features on them (when we had our son I had to think about that). The Springfield was an easy transition for me and offers a little extra to the "safe" factor in my house.

[Sunkistcamaro]

I hear ya, its all about being safe.
When we had our first child I bought a digital wall safe.
Lets hope we never have to us them in the home!

[70rs]

I hear ya, its all about being safe.
When we had our first child I bought a digital wall safe.
Lets hope we never have to us them in the home!

I agree. The LAST thing I want to EVER do is utilize my training in my home or in public.
I get some people asking why or giving me crap about why I carry. I tell them it's just like car insurance, home insurance or life insurance. We have thos policies but we hope we never have to use them. BUT, just in case they are needed they are there. Same with a firearm. Some get it, some don't. To each his own.

[-Freak-]

You guys should read this. Take the time, you will thank yourself after.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=988015

Its a first hand report of a self defense situation that will get your heart pumping.

I learned quite a few things from that thread. Like how common it is for GSW's to happen in the hands and arms because people focus on the threat of the weapon.
Palm safeties may not work so well if you get shot in the hand and thumb safeties can alert the bad guy.
We all need to train to also shoot one handed with each hand.

[70rs]

You guys should read this. Take the time, you will thank yourself after.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=988015

Its a first hand report of a self defense situation that will get your heart pumping.

I learned quite a few things from that thread. Like how common it is for GSW's to happen in the hands and arms because people focus on the threat of the weapon.
Palm safeties may not work so well if you get shot in the hand and thumb safeties can alert the bad guy.
We all need to train to also shoot one handed with each hand.

I hope I am NEVER in the situation that guy was in. He did a good job. I hope he is recovering well.

I agree, and the threat of a self inflicted injury is a real one too. A very good friend just shot himself in the hand about 4 months ago with his XD .45. He is a FEDERAL employee with a ton of training. It happens. He was distracted.

[ProdigyCustoms]

That story about the 1911 is exactly why I decided not to carry a 1911. I have concerns remembering to squeeze the grip, I also have concerns about the light single action trigger and possibly firing by accident. All my carry guns are double action. If you miss fire a double action, you earned it. It takes a while to learn to sqeeze each round and not move the gun, I put a laser on mine and that will show you if you moving or not, Good practice

[GregWeld]

I play golf with some "boys in blue" --- not sure if you big time gun toters have visited this site or not. They have some very cool stuff...


http://www.safariland.com/

RLS = win the light fight, and win the gun fight. Might be the best and safest home defender option... blind 'em!

[Revved]

My gun is my LAST resort. 1st is a security system, then two dogs, then the maze it is to get to the sleeping area of the house. If they (an intruder) decide they want to make it that far, well so be it. The last thing I want is "blood and bullets" all over my house or to have my family subjected to anything of the sort.
Tha last thing I ever want to do in this life is to shoot another person.

BUT...when all else fails and it is us or them I will not let my family be victims.

I really do think anyone who owns a gun for protection should be fully trained in the use of that gun. Safety is the biggest factor. Anyone who does not take it serious is just asking for major problems and is better off not having a gun in the home in the first place.

Be safe!!:cheers:

+1


There have been great suggestions for choice of weapon but the best answer is the one you feel the most comfortable with. Any type of weapon or firearm isn't going to do you any good unless you are comfortable using it and able to pull the trigger when the time comes. In a situation where someone has entered your home and you brandish a weapon it becomes a liability to you if you can't or aren't willing to properly use it. Should you choose to have a weapon in your home- train with it, have your wife train with it so that you are comfortable with it should the unthinkable happen. Legalities obviously vary depending on state, county, etc and you should always be sure your choice of home defense is legal should you ever have to use it and later get sued by the idiot that got hurt because he broke into your house.

My personal choice is an HK USP40 for general use and I CC a Glock 27 which fires .40 caliber as well.

[CreepinDeth]

^ Totally agreed with every part, ......except the Glock.
I love HK's , but hate Glocks. :thumbsup:

Personal preference, but not dinging their reliability.
I think .40S&W is my favorite all around home defense round with Hydra's.
However, assuming you are the only one using it, I voted .45 ACP for obvious reasons.

I pray I never have to defend my home, because it's a legal + civil nightmare
I'm in the Chicago burbs.....

[Revved]

^ Totally agreed with every part, ......except the Glock.
I love HK's , but hate Glocks. :thumbsup:

Personal preference, but not dinging their reliability.
I think .40S&W is my favorite all around home defense round with Hydra's.
However, assuming you are the only one using it, I voted .45 ACP for obvious reasons.

I pray I never have to defend my home, because it's a legal + civil nightmare
I'm in the Chicago burbs.....

*hijack!*
I debated on buying the Glock for CC. I've avoided them in the past because for years they were always the "cool" gun to have. I just talked to so many people that loved the G27 that either carried for CC or were law enforcment that carried them as backup. Obviously for CC simpler is better, size is an issue, stopping power is a consideration, and reliability is a must. It fit all the bills. I did have to add a pearce extention to have a better hand hold and now that i'm getting used to it I'll probably pick up the +2 extention. I recently picked up a Crossbreed Supertuck to carry with and this thing is amazingly comfortable!! I'm a cargo shorts and Tshirt kind of guy in the summers and this holster works great for CC.

Definately agree with the fact that I pray I never have to draw it. But I choose to be prepared if I am ever in the situation rather than be helpless... Life isn't a spectator sport.

http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv328/RevvedAC/DSCN0559.jpg

You may now return to your previously scheduled thread! :thumbsup:

[CreepinDeth]

Definately agree with the fact that I pray I never have to draw it. But I choose to be prepared if I am ever in the situation rather than be helpless... Life isn't a spectator sport.

No argument there.
IL is one of the last 2 states with NO CCW rights......and it sucks.
At least Chicago won the Handgun Rights SCOTUS case finally.

I moved out of the city awhile ago, but I'm still in the county.....and they banned all assault weapons. :rolleyes:
Which account for next to nothing in the violent crime index.

[YoungProTourer]

Your going to get all sorts of OPINIONS. I personally own a Kimber compact 1911 .45 cal, a Kahr PM .40 cal, a ruger P380 .380 cal, a Ruger .257 magnum, a S&W .38 cal snub nose and Im in the process of getting a Taurus Raging Bull .44 mag. All are great guns but server different purposes. My favorite for Home protection, the one ill reach for first is my Kimber .45 It has good knock down power, easy trigger, and comes with night sights. Everyones application is different so you need to find something your comfortable with. If you a semi-auto, go for a .40 or .45 If you want a revolver, go for a .357. And if its for home protection and not concealment, get a 4" - 5" barrel for more accuracy and easier to shoot and handle.

[BlackenedRR]

Here's my new home protection handgun...

Springfield Armory XD-M .45
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq110/BlackenedRR/DSC00285.jpg
(the ball-tip rounds are just there for plinking, it's loaded with Hornady Critical Defense hollow points now...)

[Revved]

OT but still related.....

Went shooting last weekend with the G27 and the HK. First time I've shot them both at the same time as I've only had the G27 for a few months.

I've had my HK USP40 for almost 15 years now and never thought much about how easy it shoots until running rounds through the G27 and then switching back to the HK. I expected the "backup" Glock to be a little harder to control because it is smaller but... man what a difference. Still shot some decent groupings but the full frame HK shoots like a Cadillac compared to the little Glock. I just found a range about 15 min from the house that I'll be spending more time at.

[will69camaro]

I had no guns at the start of this year...Then the fiance told me I needed another hobby. So I said "ok...guns..."

First was her Valentines day present. We went and shot a bunch at a rental range (highly suggest doing this) and she liked the S&W MP40c. Compact 40 that is easily concealable.

Went shooting for a while with her and friends, ended up picking up what I call my "truck gun." Taurus Judge Ultralight. Shoots 45LC and 2.5" 410 shot shells. Lots of fun and goes with me in the truck. It will handle anything I need it for if the situation arises in the pickup.

After a short while wanting a conceal weapon of my own, I went out for the classic 1911. Ended up picking up a Kimber Ultra Raptor. Been taking some tactical pistol classes and practicing with it and I'm very impressed with the accuracy of this little gun (3" barrel .45cal) at range.

From there I picked up some intimidation factor, Rock River Arms Entry Operator AR-15. Still mostly stock but that will change in the near future...

Ah some pics:
(CW from top left: S&W MP40c, Kimber Ultra Raptor, Taurus Judge)
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn145/hybredGT/IMG_8970.jpg
(RRA Entry Operator AR-15, I already put the black gear back on this one)
http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/public/161860/AR15.jpg

Next will be a shotgun. Thinking a M2 Benelli.

[Steve1968LS2]

That story about the 1911 is exactly why I decided not to carry a 1911. I have concerns remembering to squeeze the grip, I also have concerns about the light single action trigger and possibly firing by accident. All my carry guns are double action. If you miss fire a double action, you earned it. It takes a while to learn to sqeeze each round and not move the gun, I put a laser on mine and that will show you if you moving or not, Good practice

I'm buying a Springer Loaded today but in general I've never been a huge 1911 fan. Sure they shoot great and have an optimal grip angle for the whole carry "cocked and locked" is odd for me. I prefer my 220 with the sissy decocker. :)

If I lived in a non-communist state I would carry my Glock 36 give how small it is and how nice it shoots. If I didn't care about size I would carry the 220 and if I needed a minimal print I would bring the Ruger LCR.

When you are at the range have a buddy insert a snap cap at random intervals in your mags.. this will help teach you how to quickly clear a misfire and get back in the fight.

[GregWeld]

You guys are scarin' me....

:D

[Steve1968LS2]

You guys are scarin' me....

:D

We're not the ones to be fearful of.. ;)

[Steve1968LS2]

^ Totally agreed with every part, ......except the Glock.
I love HK's , but hate Glocks. :thumbsup:

Personal preference, but not dinging their reliability.
I think .40S&W is my favorite all around home defense round with Hydra's.
However, assuming you are the only one using it, I voted .45 ACP for obvious reasons.

I pray I never have to defend my home, because it's a legal + civil nightmare
I'm in the Chicago burbs.....

I don't know.. to me .40 was an answer in search of a question.. then again I'm not a big 10mm fan either.

To keep life simple I stick with just a few calibers.

.22 el cheapo practice and fun
9mm relatively cheap and somewhat effective
.45 fight stopper
.223 Good CQB round, fairly cheap to shoot
12ga just cause everyone should have one
.38/.357 because wheel guns rock

To that I have a token smattering of stuff like a 7.62 SKS, FN 5.7 .. but they are more curiosities.

Right now I'm trying to buy optics for my rifles.. which still blows my mind how much the good stuff costs.

Building another AR.. trying to go super lightweight since my SCAR has spoiled me. So far I just have the lower and a Wilson trigger assembley.

But the lower is sorta on the fun side..

http://i30.tinypic.com/nbx8ux.jpg

[GregWeld]

I like that it's made in Tumwater ---- must be light... like the beer they used to brew there! LOL

[BlackenedRR]

Hmmm, it would appear Steve is a true believer in the Zombie Apocalypse...:cheers:

[Steve1968LS2]

Hmmm, it would appear Steve is a true believer in the Zombie Apocalypse...:cheers:

lol.. or the more likely big earthquake.. zombies might be smarter than the average rioting citizen..

Just bought this today.. .45 just makes sense for Califonia..

http://i36.tinypic.com/24y2t6w.jpg

[BlackenedRR]

They actually let you guys have .45s in California? LOL!!!

[Steve1968LS2]

They actually let you guys have .45s in California? LOL!!!

You would be amazed what I have.. lol

[BlackenedRR]

Yeah, Bad Penny already amazes me, your gun collection will probably just make me jealous...

[rwhite692]

lol.. or the more likely big earthquake.. zombies might be smarter than the average rioting citizen..

Just bought this today.. .45 just makes sense for Califonia..





Dammit Steve now you are making me want a 1911.

[johnnymac46]

I know this thread is extremely old but here is my .02 cents

Sig Sauer is the way to go IMO I have a P226 for work and a for a personal weapon at home. I have put over 3000 rounds through my personal wep and had one jam, and that was because i didnt clean it for over 1000 rounds.

My work gun is a whole different story i have put more rounds though it than i can possibly count. Close to a 1000 a week for 2-3 months a year, for the last 3 years. I wipe it down every day but only punch the barrel once a week and solvent clean it when i put it away at the end of the month. if you throw a 20 round Mag and no one is going to get through you.

We carry 9mm overseas and if it will stop a terrorist it will stop anyone who breaks into my house.

I also have the P239 it works on the same level as the 226 i would recommend a Sig to anyone looking to get a weapon for recreation or protection. .40 has a lot of stopping power and you have the luxury of more rounds than .45.

I have personally seen a 9mm round go through 3 2x4's and a 4x4 before flying off into infinity so any slug will rip through a house.

Again just my .02 cents

[Vegas69]

I like my Sig .45 but it jams everytime I go to the range. It's clean as a whistle. I should've sent it to Sig long ago to take a look at it. Any ideas?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

They actually let you guys have .45s in California? LOL!!!

heh heh ca legal too....





op's question....the cheapest one you can get your hands on.

For HD I like to use $150 throw away shot guns.

[Steve1968LS2]

I like my Sig .45 but it jams everytime I go to the range. It's clean as a whistle. I should've sent it to Sig long ago to take a look at it. Any ideas?

A 220 that jams? Yea, there's some sort of problem.. 220s are known for being work horses. Is is a FTE or FTF?

My 220 has never jammed. Sounds like you need to send it to Sig.. but they have great Customer Service.

[Steve1968LS2]

Yeah, Bad Penny already amazes me, your gun collection will probably just make me jealous...

I pales next to most peoples stuff.. but it's pretty good.. I've bought and sold over the years working up to having higher quality stuff.

.45 in CA makes sense since we are limited to 10 rounds.. might as well have 10 large ones.

[Steve1968LS2]

Dammit Steve now you are making me want a 1911.

What's funny is that I owned three .45s and none of them were 1911s.. so I just bought a Springfield TRP Operator.. should be interesting since I've been spoiled my my Sigs and HKs decocker.

http://i36.tinypic.com/24y2t6w.jpg

[johnnymac46]

I like my Sig .45 but it jams everytime I go to the range. It's clean as a whistle. I should've sent it to Sig long ago to take a look at it. Any ideas?

Can you describe the jam? is it a double feed? not ejecting? stove pipe? does it do it on just one mag or is constant? Ive seen them all several times.

most jams are caused by bad mags, or a bad lot of ammo.

I like to run my guns slightly fowled...I wipe down the barrel and blow the internals with the air gun. I only super clean it when i get the barrel gauged to see if it is shot out.

[CreepinDeth]

.45 ACP

HK USP .45 is the best .45 handgun out there IMO.
It's the closest variant of the HK Mark 23 Employed by US Navy SEALS
for many years before switching to the Sig P226.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh284/CTone03/Guns%20in%20movies/Tears%20of%20the%20Sun/HKMK23Mod0.jpg

Now if you want a .40 or .357 then the P226 is a good choice as well.
Employed by many agencies worldwide and Blackwater as well. \

As was stated, 9mm isn't recommended for home defense.

[Roadrage David]

A maching nrs simple 1914 9mm Luger Parabelum wil do just fine!!!..

[68RS350]

I like my Sig .45 but it jams everytime I go to the range. It's clean as a whistle. I should've sent it to Sig long ago to take a look at it. Any ideas?

Have you tried different ammo? I know some companies only recommend to shoot certain types of ammo through their guns. But some guns just dont like certain ammo. Buy a few different kinds and go shooting to see if you can find any that dont jam or jam less then others and if none of them run smoothly then send it back to Sig.

[sniper]

The best handgun is the one that fits your hand the best, puts rounds on target for you the best and one you can handle under stress.

The other problem is that most people goto the range set up and target shoot, which is fine, but in order to get better at "protection", you MUST shoot under stressful conditions. Just by adding in an elevated heart rate will totally affect your abilitiy to hit what you are shooting at.

.45 ACP

HK USP .45 is the best .45 handgun out there IMO.
It's the closest variant of the HK Mark 23 Employed by US Navy SEALS
for many years before switching to the Sig P226.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh284/CTone03/Guns%20in%20movies/Tears%20of%20the%20Sun/HKMK23Mod0.jpg

That seal looks like he means business.


As was stated, 9mm isn't recommended for home defense.

With the wide range of ammo and round combinations, there is no reason a 9mm CANNOT be effective for home defense.

It's probably already been said, but a I'll take a well placed shot over caliber, anyday. If caliber was the main factor, heck we would all be buying DE .50 cals. That would at a minimum, make the intruder crap their pants while running out of the home.

It's also alreday been said but many misfires are from bad ammo.

[Vegas69]

It's a P220ST. It's jammed nearly everytime I've shot it. Normally it ejects the spent casing and loads the next shell but won't fire. What about the grain of the round? For target I normally shoot 180's but have 230's in the clip for home protection. Both clips are Sig Sauer clips. I know in my Semi Auto shotgun, low brass will cause an occassional jam.

['02ta]

What brand rounds are you using? Your home defense rounds should be a much lower grain (110-130) hollow point. I reccomend hydrashocks or Saber rounds. Your range rounds should be the higher 230 grain because if you were to use a 230 grain full metal jacket in a self defense situation your round will go through your intended target like a hot knife through butter and continue, possibly hitting things or people behind the target. Lower quality ammo will cause constant jams so I try to stay with either Remmington or Federal for both range and self defense rounds. I avoid Fiocchi like the plauge. I've had more of them stovepipe then fire and the problem is always the rounds never the firearm.

[vanzuuk1]

Damn, I dont even lock my front door!

[CreepinDeth]

That seal looks like he means business.


LOL.....Bruce Willis acting in Tears of the Sun, but it was a better snapshot
then the others I found, so I used it. Same concept.

But I do agree with you.
The best handgun is one you can shoot accurately under duress.
Of course I also agree, shot placement is more crucial then caliber.
I think a .50 cal is obnoxious and useless. But that's my own .02

HOWEVER...a.bigger caliber is more forgiving when you don't hit your intended area.
(Which under duress, many aren't going to without proper time to balance out)
It compensates for that stress by blowing big holes whatever area you DO hit.

A .22lr isn't going to do much to a 300lb assailant coming at a woman if a woman misses their head or chest.
If she puts a .40 or .45 ANYWHERE in them.....they're going to notice it a hell of alot more. :D

[SDMAN]

Home defense. Hard to beat this one. Not bad as a personal defense/side arm either. Its a bit on the large size for concealed carry though.
I think its Winchester that produces special .410 magnum shotgun rounds for this gun. And if youve never shot a .454 casull, I suggest a
glove.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/09/tauruss-new-raging-judge-magnum/

[GregWeld]

What's the best home defense weapon when you need one? The one you have with you....


I usually just use my wife as a shield.

[Jay Hilliard]

Best home defense gun is a 12 gauge shotgun with shortest legal barrel (18") using bird shot. You dont have to aim, just point in general direction. Using bird shot will not go thru walls and wound or kill someone its not intended for.

Now for women who may not be able to handle a shotgun, a .357 revolver is best choice. Have her train with 38's and if you reload you ammunition, download the 38's to help her train on sight picture and smoothness of trigger squeeze, so not be worried about recoil of the weapon. Use .357 load for home protection, as she will never notice the recoil if it had to be used.

I did this for my mother and she has no problems now. Not scared about the kick/recoil and makes her and me feel better if there was a situation where she would have to use it to protect herself (God forbid it ever happens).

My wife did it the same way and now she shoots my glock .40, .45, her .357 revolver, my AR.

Shooting is a good way to spend time together,have load of fun while learning how to properly use a weapon safely and responsibly.

[wmhjr]

People need to remember that you have to consider penetration for home protection. You don't want to be Rambo. High velocity overpowered rounds will go through walls and floors too easily, killing your kids and neighbors. Also remember that the idea of actually needing more than 3-4 rounds is nonsense. Unless your home is a movie set. If you have heavily armed specops guys in body armor coming in, then it isn't home protection. It's witness protection.


.357 or .454 causill are poor choices for that reason. .45, 410ga, or .38 are excellent choices. If you're going to use a 9mm or .40, be sure to use frangible ammo or some lower velocity hollowoints. Everyone thinks they're Wyatt Earp but especially in high stress, most are not accurate shots.

Also, it's the combination of weapon, and ammo, that decides what each person can use. I used to agree with the previous poster. Not any more. When my wifes chief special needed replacement, I got her a Ruger SP101 in .357, intending to practice with .38 or +P rounds and then keep .357 in it. Bad move. First of all, it's a dumb idea. Practice with what you'll shoot at least a little. More important, the SP101 was very difficult to control. She switched to a 1911 in .45 and has been very happy ever since.

Don't worry about brands as long as the quality is good. I own Kimber, Colt, Les Baer, Ruger, S&W, Browning, Glock, and Walther handguns.

[Sieg]

Tarus Judge is a good choice, as Greg notes "the one you have with you" the size of the Judge makes for convenient placement. The .410 round with 2, 4, or 6 shot improves the chance of a first round hit.

http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selector-results.cfm?series=41&toggle=tr

[will69camaro]

As I think I said earlier. I love my Judge but it's for the truck only. For the home, there are a few options for me. 1911 (5") on the night stand, AR15 (16") under the bed. Soon to be a shotgun in the corner :)

I'd say for home protection, hard to beat a shotgun. The sound alone is a deterrent for thieves!

[hud697]

Tarus Judge is a good choice, as Greg notes "the one you have with you" the size of the Judge makes for convenient placement. The .410 round with 2, 4, or 6 shot improves the chance of a first round hit.

http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selector-results.cfm?series=41&toggle=tr

I keep mine handy, loaded with the personal defense .410 rounds

As I think I said earlier. I love my Judge but it's for the truck only. For the home, there are a few options for me. 1911 (5") on the night stand, AR15 (16") under the bed. Soon to be a shotgun in the corner :)

I'd say for home protection, hard to beat a shotgun. The sound alone is a deterrent for thieves!

I keep the 1911 in the safe, too pretty to be laying out. I have the Mossberg 12ga under the bed for good measure:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

I personally think you're all candy asses....


Go big or go home. :rofl: :rofl:



http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/about/about.html

[Blake Foster]

you know it amazes me......... i can't think of anyone i know who even owns a hand gun. some that have hunting rifles
i have never even held a hand gun.

there are so many regs here if you want to even own one, from what i understand it has to have a trigger lock, and be disassembled if you want to transport it you need to have a permit everytime, and notify the police. just what i hear could be wrong, i guess it still doesn't stop the guy who is going to break into your house i suppose.

blows my mind how the majority of ppl in the US have them??? very different

[GregWeld]

you know it amazes me......... i can't think of anyone i know who even owns a hand gun. some that have hunting rifles
i have never even held a hand gun.

there are so many regs here if you want to even own one, from what i understand it has to have a trigger lock, and be disassembled if you want to transport it you need to have a permit everytime, and notify the police. just what i hear could be wrong, i guess it still doesn't stop the guy who is going to break into your house i suppose.

blows my mind how the majority of ppl in the US have them??? very different

It explains the murder rate in the lower 48.... too many idiots -- too many guns.

I own a couple -- my grandfathers Winchester saddle rifle .30/.30 -- and an antique shot gun that's so heavy you couldn't lift it and fire it... both have pad locks thru the trigger guards...and I have no idea where the keys are. They also in a small closet in a closet.

I just post on here to give the pro gun group some crap. :rofl:

[Sieg]

I personally think you're all candy asses....


Go big or go home. :rofl: :rofl:



http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/about/about.html

OK, I'll bite................it's just not real convenient.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/65879_1416414985208_1677609135_797495_2576913_n.jp g
:D

[GregWeld]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA




:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Vegas69]

Hey, all us rednecks are prepared for the Canadian invasion. If you guys get past the boy scouts.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Sieg]

It explains the murder rate in the lower 48.... too many idiots -- too many guns.
When seconds count.............the cops are only minutes away. The illegal's rely on that statistical fact. :(

I'd be criminally neglegent to entrust the safety of my wife, children, and employees with local law enforcement based on statistical data in our region.

[GregWeld]

When seconds count.............the cops are only minutes away. The illegal's rely on that statistical fact. :(

I'd be criminally neglegent to entrust the safety of my wife, children, and employees with local law enforcement based on statistical data in our region.

Don't worry. Your wife and kids can probably out run you....
:lol:

[Sieg]

Don't worry. Your wife and kids can probably out run you....
:lol:Glad I wasn't taking a drink of something just now! :thumbsup:

[wmhjr]

It explains the murder rate in the lower 48.... too many idiots -- too many guns.

I own a couple -- my grandfathers Winchester saddle rifle .30/.30 -- and an antique shot gun that's so heavy you couldn't lift it and fire it... both have pad locks thru the trigger guards...and I have no idea where the keys are. They also in a small closet in a closet.

I just post on here to give the pro gun group some crap. :rofl:

Yeah, all those homeowners with guns are what drives up the murder rate. Yup.

All I know is that a 1911 in my wifes hands prevented an attack in my home while I was at work. Nobody got shot. Nobody got hurt. Nothing but a broken front door jamb where they came in only to be confronted by the bore of a 45. Yup, homeowners with guns are a real bad thing. Just ask my wife.

[68KMARO]

The 357 magnum s&w performance center 686. auto can jam wheel guns don't. You must be able to practice in every situation. remember if you miss what you are shooting at the bullet can travel to the house next door. or another room in your house. you can use glaser rounds that penetrate and explode so if you miss te target it just makes a hole in the wall and does not travel further. always better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. also get a big dog.

rich

[monza]

you know it amazes me......... i can't think of anyone i know who even owns a hand gun. some that have hunting rifles
i have never even held a hand gun.

there are so many regs here if you want to even own one, from what i understand it has to have a trigger lock, and be disassembled if you want to transport it you need to have a permit everytime, and notify the police. just what i hear could be wrong, i guess it still doesn't stop the guy who is going to break into your house i suppose.

blows my mind how the majority of ppl in the US have them??? very different

Must be a B.C. thing, Step in to the Alberta it switches from the bongs to the guns....

OH and yes- need a trigger lock on any gun in storage at home and travelling any where, in a case that is locked at all times. Handguns- classified as a restricted registered weapon, can only be transported to and from home and the gun range, on the same route no altering that. Any semi-auto is in the same class. All gun magazines need to be 'blocked' to only hold five rounds. Disassembled -not to my knowledge, but I've ignored the rules since our infamously flawed long gun registration.

Blake if you lived in the States you'd for sure have a gun or ten, those MF's are crazy down there:willy:

[Sieg]

Blake if you lived in the States you'd for sure have a gun or ten, those MF's are crazy down there:willy:.......and they have unregistered bongs loaded with medical marijuana. :goofy:

[monza]

Hey, all us rednecks are prepared for the Canadian invasion. If you guys get past the boy scouts.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Don't you mean to invade us? You've got nothing we want... well, I guess we'd take some girls and muscle cars... but we can just buy that cheap.:captain:

[city_ofthe_south]

I'm only posting because I can't help myself when I hear so much positive about the "theory" behind the Judge. It's easily at the bottom of my list.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
More important to me, the price of both .410 and .45 colt far exceeds its performance. .410 through the Judge is a joke, regardless of load, especially slugs at less than 100gr. It was a stroke of marketing genius for sure though. If your goal is pain and suffering, .410 bird shot might just be the ticket, good luck with that in court. There was a good article recently in one gun rag or another about 5 cases where a firearm was justifiably used and 2 or 3 of the 5 didn't end well for the shooter. You might consider that while you're at it. If you're idea of home defense is to buy a gun and stick it in a safe that'll take more time to get into than you have to spare, then buy whatever you think looks cool, cause that's about all it's gonna be worth. Knowing your rights and knowing your gun are far and away more important than the round it fires.

[wmhjr]

I can't even count the number of errors and inaccurate comments made just on the first couple pages of " the box of truth". I have zero respect for that so called "expert". I don't own a judge, never held one much less fired one. Don't own either a .45 long colt nor a .410, so no personal bias here. Just a total lack of agreement on so many comments that "author" made that I had to post.

[Vegas69]

Don't you mean to invade us? You've got nothing we want... well, I guess we'd take some girls and muscle cars... but we can just buy that cheap.:captain:

Keep your snow and 3 week Summer. We have Alaska. :lol:

[GregWeld]

Keep your snow and 3 week Summer. We have Alaska. :lol:

Can we give them Sarah Palin?

Please?


:rofl:

[Sieg]

I can't even count the number of errors and inaccurate comments made just on the first couple pages of " the box of truth". I have zero respect for that so called "expert". I don't own a judge, never held one much less fired one. Don't own either a .45 long colt nor a .410, so no personal bias here. Just a total lack of agreement on so many comments that "author" made that I had to post.One thing a Judge excels at is killing Nutria at the golf course on the run out of a golf cart. :D

[Vegas69]

Can we give them Sarah Palin?

Please?


:rofl:

She already sounds just like em, what the hell...:lol:

[wmhjr]

One thing a Judge excels at is killing Nutria at the golf course on the run out of a golf cart. :D

For me, taking any weapon with me golfing would be a very bad mistake. I gave up golf to reduce stress :)

[Sieg]

For me, taking any weapon with me golfing would be a very bad mistake. I gave up golf to reduce stress :)
Completely understand that, I never said anything about hitting a golf ball. :D

[city_ofthe_south]

It's an old guy shooting stuff who doesn't claim to be an expert but has done one helluva lot of trigger pulling. He's got pictures and I don't, that's about all it's worth - it's pretty irrelevant otherwise . Either way, it doesn't change the effects of either cartridge. And I do have experience with all of the above, and agree fully with the old timer and his box 'o truth. I don't require him to be good with a computer, camera, or journalism, just see what happens when bullets hit things. It also doesn't change the fact that this stuff is over priced compared to other offerings that make a whole lot more sense.

Re-read the Judge article, don't see any problems other than maybe some grammar. If you mean the rest of the site, see my original comment about his computer skills.

I can't even count the number of errors and inaccurate comments made just on the first couple pages of " the box of truth". I have zero respect for that so called "expert". I don't own a judge, never held one much less fired one. Don't own either a .45 long colt nor a .410, so no personal bias here. Just a total lack of agreement on so many comments that "author" made that I had to post.

[wmhjr]

It's an old guy shooting stuff who doesn't claim to be an expert but has done one helluva lot of trigger pulling. He's got pictures and I don't, that's about all it's worth - it's pretty irrelevant otherwise . Either way, it doesn't change the effects of either cartridge. And I do have experience with all of the above, and agree fully with the old timer and his box 'o truth. I don't require him to be good with a computer, camera, or journalism, just see what happens when bullets hit things. It also doesn't change the fact that this stuff is over priced compared to other offerings that make a whole lot more sense.

I've shot quite a bit - still shoot competitively, and don't agree with his conclusions at all. I think they're borderline dangerous. JMHO. I completely disagree with what is necessary in terms of penetration. Perhaps we simply have a difference of opinion as to what constitutes "home protection". I'm not interested in defending against armored SWAT teams or military counter-terrorist teams. I don't want "extra" penetration. I want to hit what's right in front of me, probably at a range of less than 20 feet (probably much less). Too many people think you need to penetrate WAY too much gelatin than I do for home defense. I'd love to see the data supporting needing 5" of penetration. Frankly, or the physics discussion of why you'd even want it.

I have issues with people wanting weapons for "home protection" that may often be more dangerous than not having one to begin with. Drywall doesn't stop much. BTW, .45 LC, loaded to within the SAAMI spec of 14000psi, can be an excellent self defense round.

[Sieg]

Can we start this thread over and rename it: Best oil for engine protection?

:D

[70rs]

Can we start this thread over and rename it: Best oil for engine protection?

:D

Or the best condom for....
Or the best tires for...
:D

The best gun for home protection is the one you have in your hand when you need it.

[GregWeld]

Or the best condom for....
Or the best tires for...
:D

The best gun for home protection is the one you have in your hand when you need it.



I like Eric's way of thinking.

I've never been a "gun guy" - but with the addition of the big azz trailer...and plans to spend travel nights in off road locations...and or traveling back roads where you could be alone and broken down etc. I invested in a Kimber 5" .45 ACP Super Carry Custom. Then I've been going to the range weekly to break it in and of course - raise my skill level using it. I now have Washington and Utah CC permits.





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Toterhome/file-30.jpg

[Roberts68]

It is ALWAYS the one which you have with you, and the best caliber is the largest which you can control to put rounds on target repeatedly.

Not a bad way to go GW.
Here's one of mine...
2006 Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail Classic .45 ACP with Larry Davidsons Tactical Carry grips in gray/black micarta http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e214/YamaCowboy/CBOB/photobucket-4470-1327715368662.jpg

[GregWeld]

Nice!


I'm becoming "smitten" with getting a Wilson Combat... but that's just "because"... right now my concern is to get real comfortable handling the Kimber. I bought 1000 rounds so that I can run 500+ through it... I've already done the field strip and clean twice and can do that without thinking now. I haven't done the "rookie scratch" YET!

My son has a Glock .40 -- and both he and I love the Kimber over it! All my police friends carry the Glock... but the double wide grip doesn't fit my smaller hand. And I like the beavertail safety (I think that's what it's called) that protects my hand from the slide as well as adds a safety factor. :cheers:

[Roberts68]

I have a Stainless Steel WC Protector in .38 Super also. Fit and Finish is off the hook compared to this DW "but" the newer current production Dan Wessons are Very, very nice. This same pistol now costs nearly double what I paid brand new in 2006 to reflect that. They also come with the very top shelf internal parts, firing group (sear, trigger, disconnector and hammer) and so on.
It is worth a look. They are however not a Wilson.

Here is a couple pics of the one that went away the day I came home with my Wilson
133rd Dan Wesson "Razorback" 10mm ever made. (wearing different grips in photos)

Original grips and all the accouterments of the limited edition + 3 engraved mags
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e214/YamaCowboy/RZ-10/DSCN2947.jpg

Larry Davidson Olive Drab "Wyrm" grips
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e214/YamaCowboy/RZ-10/RZwWYRM006.jpg

[nicks67ca]

I currently have 2 firearms outside my safe at night. My Walther PPS .40 is probably the best carry gun I've own. I also just picked up a Remington 870 pump action 12ga. That is between the dresser and wall. I love my Walther but will take my scatter gun for the house 9/10 times.

Edit....I also have a colt 1911 but choose the Walter since i have more time handling it and more rounds through it for a home defense scenario.

[Sieg]

Early run Kimber with match hammer, sear, trigger, springs, bushing, and link. I did the pistolsmithing. Primary usage was league shooting, secondary defense carry. Trigger is at 3.25 lbs but with next to zero creep and very crisp disengagement it feels more like 2.75 lbs. With light hand loads for league it was good enough for top three finishes three years in a row. It's had approximately 6000 rounds through it. Total investment $525.

http://sieg.smugmug.com/photos/i-PNRHJTf/0/L/i-PNRHJTf-L.jpg

Heavy concealed carry gun is a Para Ordnance P12, daily carry gun is a Kahr PM40. You can run but you can't hide gun is a Ruger Redhawk 7.75" .44 with Leupold 2x scope. :unibrow:

[Ketzer]

Tactical shotgun for the bedside, H&K P2SK for my carry.

Enjoy this liberty while it lasts.


Jeff-

[Bucketlist2012]

For me, my Guns sit for a long time...I have had semi-auto guns jam due to not being cleaned often enough..

So personally I use a .44 revolver and a .357 revolver as first line of defense..

If you use and clean your weapons often, then semi-auto's are great..But I don't see a long fire fight indoors and I won't need a large clip..One or two large caliber bullets to the torso, and that should do it..

[soundqdoug]

We use the Sig P226 @ NSW. It's a great piece, super accurate, lots of options for lights, lasers, etc. I have personal experience shooting one straight out of nasty dirty Coronado bay water, and it did fine. For home protection, I would recommend it, or the P220 Combat. Just my 2cents.

[GregWeld]

Glad to see there's some fellow 1911 guys here!


Sieg --- Nice shot of the gun! (is that a pun?)


Mike --- Used to be ALL of the police used revolvers... and it seems the Glock 22 or 23 fire regardless of how dirty or abused they are. Given that my son's hadn't EVER been cleaned --- and it never misfired or jammed up... I guess it's pretty true. However, you should have seen the smile on his face after "we" (meaning DAD) invested in cleaning stuff... and then we hit the range... MUCH MO BETTA.

Took my buddy to the range -- and he had the sweetest little .22 revolver.. it just fit the hand so nicely! It was a NINE shot revolver. I'd never seen one before - but of course it's a .22 so there's plenty of room.

One of my police buddies just told me that I'm a classic "idiot" --- because I don't want the gun in the house. When the Kimber is here it's in the safe... He told me that he just loves people that have the gun in the bedroom and the bullets in the basement.

[FETorino]

Glad to see there's some fellow 1911 guys here!


Sieg --- Nice shot of the gun! (is that a pun?)


Mike --- Used to be ALL of the police used revolvers... and it seems the Glock 22 or 23 fire regardless of how dirty or abused they are. Given that my son's hadn't EVER been cleaned --- and it never misfired or jammed up... I guess it's pretty true. However, you should have seen the smile on his face after "we" (meaning DAD) invested in cleaning stuff... and then we hit the range... MUCH MO BETTA.

Took my buddy to the range -- and he had the sweetest little .22 revolver.. it just fit the hand so nicely! It was a NINE shot revolver. I'd never seen one before - but of course it's a .22 so there's plenty of room.

One of my police buddies just told me that I'm a classic "idiot" --- because I don't want the gun in the house. When the Kimber is here it's in the safe... He told me that he just loves people that have the gun in the bedroom and the bullets in the basement.

I love shooting my Colt government model 1991. Some day I want to pick up an Ed Brown Kobra Carry.

But the one I keep loaded in the house is the Remington 870 Tactical. Nothing beats a 12 GA for home protection.:D

[Sieg]

Nothing beats a 12 GA for home protection.:DNo matter the nationality.............everybody speaks shotgun. Fluently if you're chambering a round into a pump gun. Get's your attention like a healthy big block. The slide in my Benelli Nova makes good chambering noise. :D

[FETorino]

No matter the nationality.............everybody speaks shotgun. Fluently if you're chambering a round into a pump gun. Get's your attention like a healthy big block. The slide in my Benelli Nova makes good chambering noise. :D

I smell what you're steppin in :unibrow:

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

No matter the nationality.............everybody speaks shotgun. Fluently if you're chambering a round into a pump gun. Get's your attention like a healthy big block. The slide in my Benelli Nova makes good chambering noise. :D



It does have a very distinctive ring to it doesn't it....




B2Gz-A-XO8w

[19,69camaro]

What about bear mace and a baseball bat?

What would you do when someone breaks in and steals you loaded, unlocked pistol and shoots some 13yo kid in a dive-by.

Or your teenage daughter sneaks into the house after staying out too late with the boyfriend and you mistake her for an intruder...

I just don't like the idea of having loaded weapons in the house. Yes I took my pistol course and yes I have firearms, but they are locked up in a 15 gun safe that is bolted to the wall. Defense weapons are just not worth it IMO

[NOPANTS68]

If I bear maced and beat my teenage daughter with a bat thinking she was an intruder, she would be dead. I think racking my 870 and calling out that Hell is coming down the hall is strangely safer lol

[JMitch19]

What about bear mace and a baseball bat?

What would you do when someone breaks in and steals you loaded, unlocked pistol and shoots some 13yo kid in a dive-by.

Guns don't kill people. People do. What if someone steals my high hp car and kills someone with it?

Or your teenage daughter sneaks into the house after staying out too late with the boyfriend and you mistake her for an intruder...

Rule one: Don't shoot anything you can't see. I mean are we just shooting at noises and shadows in the house with no confirmation?

I just don't like the idea of having loaded weapons in the house. Yes I took my pistol course and yes I have firearms, but they are locked up in a 15 gun safe that is bolted to the wall. Defense weapons are just not worth it IMO

Reply inserted in quote... Lateral-g told me my reply was to short so I had to add something down here;)

[GregWeld]

What about bear mace and a baseball bat?

What would you do when someone breaks in and steals you loaded, unlocked pistol and shoots some 13yo kid in a dive-by.

Or your teenage daughter sneaks into the house after staying out too late with the boyfriend and you mistake her for an intruder...

I just don't like the idea of having loaded weapons in the house. Yes I took my pistol course and yes I have firearms, but they are locked up in a 15 gun safe that is bolted to the wall. Defense weapons are just not worth it IMO



We've all heard this same argument but it just doesn't hold water....

Someone could steal a kitchen knife and kill someone with it... or a piece of rope. So that is just not really a valid point IMHO.

I agree with you - on a personal level - that I don't like loaded weapons in my house. But not based on your points. I have a safe in the shed that holds all this stuff. It has a 1/2" steel door... is BURGLAR and Fire safe.

But I bought the Kimber for the reasons I stated earlier -- in my rig when I'm on the road by myself - spending the night on the side of the highway or in some rest area... and THEN I will feel quite good about having it loaded - cocked and locked right by my bed. :cheers:

[Roberts68]

One thing I will offer for anyone who has not thought of it is that you can choose to buy a gun vault of some sort that can be bolted to the wall or nightstand. I have heard of people unlocking it when they lay down at night and locking it up when they pick up their personal items for the day, unless of course they are holstering that same weapon for everyday carry purposes.

[GregWeld]

I just finished listening to a former FBI profiler that said the REASON these mass shootings are taking place at schools and malls - is because the perp has a reasonable understanding that NO ONE IS THERE TO SHOOT BACK. In other words --- they're easy targets.

We all also understand that there's not a single thing anyone can do to stop this kind of stuff. We're not going to have armed teachers...

BTW - The profiler also reported that today someone in China stabbed 33 children... So it's not just GUNS... it's nut jobs and they will find a way if they're determined to hurt or kill others.

[nicks67ca]

I just finished listening to a former FBI profiler that said the REASON these mass shootings are taking place at schools and malls - is because the perp has a reasonable understanding that NO ONE IS THERE TO SHOOT BACK. In other words --- they're easy targets.

We all also understand that there's not a single thing anyone can do to stop this kind of stuff. We're not going to have armed teachers...

BTW - The profiler also reported that today someone in China stabbed 33 children... So it's not just GUNS... it's nut jobs and they will find a way if they're determined to hurt or kill others.

Agreed....I grew up in Newtown I have a family member that goes to that elementary school. I would have bet this could never happen there. You can't foresee every lunatics actions. An armed resource officer could have made this a very different outcome.

[96z28ss]

I just finished listening to a former FBI profiler that said the REASON these mass shootings are taking place at schools and malls - is because the perp has a reasonable understanding that NO ONE IS THERE TO SHOOT BACK. In other words --- they're easy targets.

We all also understand that there's not a single thing anyone can do to stop this kind of stuff. We're not going to have armed teachers...

BTW - The profiler also reported that today someone in China stabbed 33 children... So it's not just GUNS... it's nut jobs and they will find a way if they're determined to hurt or kill others.


I can't believe there was another shooting this morning at an elementry school. 18 innocent children all under the age of 10. I can't even imagine getting the phone call and hysteria waiting to see if your kid is safe.

[Roberts68]

I would not have a single problem with armed teachers and administration providing that they are proficient.

We guard banks and other institution. Seems like warped priorities from my perspective. What is more precious?:(

Criminals will never care what the laws are that govern the law abiding and will find a way to prey upon the innocent. I say enable those charged with shaping the minds of the innocent with the tools to protect them from evil. I am sure it will come out that some gave their lives to protect... if only they had proper training and the tools to do so there may have been less loss of life.

[Roberts68]

Agreed....I grew up in Newtown I have a family member that goes to that elementary school. I would have bet this could never happen there. You can't foresee every lunatics actions. An armed resource officer could have made this a very different outcome.

Nick, I am really sorry for the loss in your home town.
God be with your family and all of those affected by this, and there are far too many.

[GregWeld]

Well --- We think this stuff only happens in the USA... But if you remember the shooter in Norway... That went to the island and shot up a kids camp.

If they can't shoot up a school - they'll go to the mall - or movie theatre - or where someone is giving a speech.

[nicks67ca]

Thanks Robert. My cousin was home sick today and my wifes co'workers child goes to the afternoon kindergarten there. Completely sad.

[Sieg]

Gun free zones are not the solution.......they are the opportunity.

Condolences to all effected by these acts.

[RussMurco]

The best advice is to work with a really knowledgable person at a gun shop who will guide you to the best pistol for your needs based on your experience, hand shape, hand strength, natural wrist angle, home design, defense capacity, and your particular personality.

My defense pistol of choice is a Sig Sauer P226, chambered in .40 cal.
I used the 9mm version in the military and it has become a natural extension of my arm at this point. I've shot about 125k rounds through them and never had a failure once, even under harsh conditions with a dirty weapon. They saved my life 6 times that I know of.

The ergonomics of the pistol are perfect in my hand - The grip angle is perfect for my natural-point-of-aim, the grip makes 2nd shot control easy, the balance is excellent, the recoil is pretty tame, and even blinded I can make secondary shots within a 6" grouping.

I always recommend the Sig night-sights and the rail system, standard on the P226 "Navy" version.

A really great thing about the P226 is that you can get a kit that replaces the barrel, mag, and upper receiver with a .22cal version for about $300. It makes a great practice set-up and .22 ammo is dirt cheap.

Now, should you go get a pistol I would REALLY urge taking a training class that is instructed by a combat veteran who will gauge your reaction to stressful situations. This is a key part of weaponed self-defense and the instructor needs to teach you methods to bypass the natural panic response and train your mind to focus under duress. I can't stress that enough.

Good luck!

[GregWeld]

I agree on training!

Because I have some police buddies (high ranking guys) -- I was allowed to go in the simulator. They have electronic guns -- and THEY can actually shoot you back with plastic balls that HURT!

The average weapons "fight" happens within 21 FEET.... and I can tell you that you have less than half a second at that range to react - draw - and defend or it's too late. OMG was the simulator fun! But OMG was it a reality check in what the boys in blue have to deal with.

I will share another thing that I learned -- and in a HOME style shooting would be very important! You trigger finger is still firing long after you've perceived the threat to have been hit and down or going down. I always wondered why there are so many shots fired at these "events" --- now I know why! Your brain says fire and you might as well be a machine gun! And by the time the brain says stop firing - you've squeezed off 3 more rounds. In a home -- rounds flying around wouldn't be a good thing! Sheetrock isn't stopping a 9MM or a .45....

[GregWeld]

This ammo from Dynamic Research Technologies that Steve Rupp suggested looks good.... I just sent a question to my cop buddy to ask about it.

http://drtammo.com/products/


I like their "explanation":


DRT lead-free projectile is a revolutionary round. The bullet breaks apart on contact with a solid surface. The handgun ammunition is made to be an all-purpose round, disintegrating into a cloud of dust on steel but yet is effective on an organic target. It is a target and a carry round.
Our round can be fired by law enforcement officers without any fear of ricochet or pass through, or fear of injury or death to innocent bystanders from ricochet or pass through.

[GregWeld]

Well -- DRT themselves say this ammo WILL penetrate walls etc just the same as a lead slug. Apparently it only fragments when hitting "organic material".

Back to the drawing board!

[lutzy]

My zombie gun..umm I mean self defense gun is a short barrel shotgun with a 10 round mag..
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6059/img6224e.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/img6224e.jpg/)

[GregWeld]

WTF!?!?! No chainsaw grip??


:lol:

[GregWeld]

Everybody "needs" one of these....


http://lonestararms.com/home



Holy crap Batman!


:lol:

[lutzy]

The R&R is for 3 gun matches and the Tromix is for home defense. The Tromix is a class 3 NFA weapon though..
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2275/img6223hq.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/img6223hq.jpg/)

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6059/img6224e.t (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/img6224e.jpg/)
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6059/img6224e.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/img6224e.jpg/)

Heres the R&R Saiga in action..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziECY1mSaY

[214Chevy]

Got a few myself. I like to carry my .40 cal, Glock 23 everywhere. It's my conceal favorite.
Top left...Taurus Millenum .45 cal (which I hate)
Top Right...Glock 23 .40 cal
Center...Mossberg 12 gauge pistol grip
Bottom...Sig Sauer P250 Fullsize .45 Two Tone
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l536/2quedogg/DSCF0607.jpg
Just picked up my .50 cal Desert Eagle this past Wednesday. Right along with the pistol grip 12 gauge, this will be the ultimate home intruder stopper. LOL!!
http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l536/2quedogg/IMG_0392.jpg

[GregWeld]

One of my buddies has a S&W 50 cal.... I had to use my engine hoist to pick it up! He says when he shoots it -- it's "three bucks - three bucks - three bucks...."

:D :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

One of my buddies has a S&W 50 cal.... I had to use my engine hoist to pick it up! He says when he shoots it -- it's "three bucks - three bucks - three bucks...."

:D :thumbsup:

I've shot the 8.75" barreled S&W 500 at night, pretty impressive cylinder & muzzle flash producer. Recoil was less than expected but definitely a hand-cannon. Ballistics wise I'd probably go with a 460 or 480. Any of those big-bores are not something you want to take to the range and shoot a couple hundred rounds with.....unless you're very well medicated. :D

[pjs65]

You guys are going to share the shiit out of the Euro dudes on here... there never going to visit.:_paranoid

Too f*cking right fella , iam trying to read this thread from behind the desk at the moment . Pete

[GregWeld]

Too f*cking right fella , iam trying to read this thread from behind the desk at the moment . Pete

In the UK are you allowed to even own a handgun??

Can you get a Concealed Carry permit??

[GregWeld]

Here's something NOBODY saw on the NATIONAL NEWS regarding the shooting at the Portland area mall.



iD52IxplEoM

[Sieg]

No surprised that was suppressed. He showed good judgement and was there when the police were not. Maybe he did have an impact.

When seconds count the cops are only minute away.......that's just the way it is.