70 RS Camaro

[70rs]

SO here goes guys (and gals). It's time for me to start a thread. I think some of you are doubting I even have a car by now. I've been going on about every system in the car and never posted any pics. Well the pics still are not here.I promise you all, I do have a car. Really, I do. But I do have some things I'd like your opinions on.
Ben Hermance did an awesome job on this. I hope you like it as much as I do.
Let me know what color and style you like best.
Thanks
Eric

[awr68]

Actually they all look great! Nice work Ben!!
I am leaning towards the first one. Is it black....or a dark grey like my car?

[70rs]

The first one is black with a ghosted hockey stick on the side, the red one is Monterey Red (GM 'vette color) with the hood center and trunk lid darkened up just a bit. The silver is Cortez Silver with a split hockey stick ghosted in a shade lighter silver. As Ben suggested, the side markers will be gone if I go with a side graphic.

[awr68]

I have an idea.....I sent you a PM!

[SickSpeedMonte]

I like them all!

[jy211]

black :thumbsup:no side graphics!

[XcYZ]

Hermance and Rushforth, great combination. :cheers:

I'd have to say red... not that I'm biased or anything. :lol:

[Vegas69]

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I like the silver.

[tones2SS]

Hermance and Rushforth, great combination. :cheers:

I'd have to say red... not that I'm biased or anything. :lol:

You said it brother!!!
The renderings look awesome Ben, as usual. Eric, I like the red. Like I stated in my email to you. I think that car would look killer in that color red with some metallic in it. :bow: :cheers:

[OLDFLM]

Or that burgundy that Frank used on the Bullrun Chevelle!!! :thumbsup: :yes:

Great job Ben!!!! :bow: I'm stoked for you Eric!!

Digging the solid hockey stick stripe on the black version... shave the sidemarkers regardless... color is really up to you my friend! :rolleyes:

[JayR]

Hermance and Rushforth, great combination. :cheers:


HAHA!! Good one, Scott! I agree! Nice wheel choice, Eric! Nice designs, Ben!

[GregWeld]

Hummmmm.... what is it they say about "opinions"?? :rofl:

Eric -- I think you should let your wife choose the color... that way she'll be happier to let you drain the bank account. :cheers:

Your's truly,
"know it all"

[70rs]

Hummmmm.... what is it they say about "opinions"?? :rofl:

Eric -- I think you should let your wife choose the color... that way she'll be happier to let you drain the bank account. :cheers:

Your's truly,
"know it all"

Greg, that is probably the way it is going to happen. I didn't give her any other options with the car so the color may be up to her. At this point she likes the silver. I like all of them.

Thanks for all the input guys!

[Hdesign]

Thanks for all the great feedback guys! Eric made it easy with such a killer car...I'm not bias or anything of course.

I think the car needs some stripes whether they're on the side or top. And I think it'll look great with a subtle contrast. Usually I lean towards stealthy black, but I'm really liking the Monterey Red. Darker and richer reds have always been a favorite of mine because they aren't common. You can't go wrong with a silver or black car, but I personally would like to see something that has an outstanding identity. Don't let my personal taste shade your opinion though. (bad pun intended) :_paranoid

[NOT A TA]

I like the black with the ghost hockey stick.

[wookham]

DO THE RED

[70rs]

I'm thinking wookham likes red. :lol: I like them all. It is going to be tough, but the silver is winning out so far in this house (wife).
Ben is right, it needs some kind of graphic or stripe to go with the base color.
If I had the funds to build three, that's exactly what I'd do.

[66LS7]

I would do the silver with a faided red hocky stripe, & then have the same color red pinstripe on the wheels.:thumbsup:

Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[70rs]

Here is the final choice guys. I thank you all for your input. And a HUGE thanks to Ben Hermance for all of his hard work and for putting up with me through this. You rock man! :thumbsup:
I hope you all like them.

[awr68]

It's going to look sweet! Now go start on the body work!! :P

Nice work Ben!! :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

It's going to look sweet! Now go start on the body work!! :P

Nice work Ben!! :thumbsup:

I agree with you Tony.
She's gonna be a beauty Eric. Keep us posted. Great work Ben!:lateral: :cheers:

[70rs]

The body work is a ways off Anthony. :lol:

I am going to continue with the teardown and clean up of the subframe. Need to toss the old motor and trans in the lake. Then another trip to the media blaster. It had been blasted before I got it but they left the interior in it AND the motor and trans. After that I will weld up the stock sub frame and get it powder coated, then start hanging new parts on it.

In the mean time the motor should start taking shape. I still have not ordered my rotating assembly or heads. There is a bunch of stuff to start buying really soon.
While the motor is going together, the body will be at a local place getting some love. The window channel in front is toast and needs to be replaced. There are a couple other areas needing rust repair too, but overall it is pretty solid. I have new fenders, hood,trunk lid,rear tail light panel and quarters all here if I need them (may not need the rear quarters). I'd like to do as much as possible myself on this. Other than the body repairs and prep/paint I hope to do everything else myself.
Let the games begin!:cheers:

I'd like to thank everyone for the support and advice. It has given me the balls to jump in with both feet and do this. I'm not a total rookie, but in no way am I any kind of expert. Your advice, answers, ideas, comments are all very much appreciated and will ALWAYS be welcome!

I will start posting pics soon. I know I am slacking bigtime there.

[tones2SS]

Sounds good Eric.
Now get off the computer and get back to work on that bad boy!!! lol
Just kidding bud. Keep us posted.:cheers:

[89 RS]

That's going to be a sweet ride!

[thedude327]

The renderings look great !!! Any one of those schemes would work just fine. If you run into any questions on your 70 , fire away, oh and post some pics of your proj. when you can..........would like to see it. :thumbsup: Here's one tip, if you can get your hands on a parts car second gen., do it. You can cut out the sections of damaged window channel and have them welded in from the parts car without fabbing up the contours (bends) from scratch.

Paul

[Kendall Burleson]

I like the silver It nothing cool than a black car (silver and ghost treatment)

[70rs]

The renderings look great !!! Any one of those schemes would work just fine. If you run into any questions on your 70 , fire away, oh and post some pics of your proj. when you can..........would like to see it. :thumbsup: Here's one tip, if you can get your hands on a parts car second gen., do it. You can cut out the sections of damaged window channel and have them welded in from the parts car without fabbing up the contours (bends) from scratch.

Paul

Thanks for the tips Paul. There is a second gen near by that may have the parts I need for the windows. But the rest of the car is trash. It was an old drag car and has been beaten beyond help. The roof structure is about the only semi straight part left. I'll have to see if the channels are ok and what he wants for the shell. The guy thinks everything on his property is worth gold for some reason. Hes got over 20 cars there and the county has been after him to get them out. His forced sale is not going so well because of his prices.
I'll get some pics up in the next week or so of my car. It is nothing special to look at right now. But it is a really good base for this build.

[BlkBird]

Blk...I mean Black, there is no other option!:D

[70rs]

Blk...I mean Black, there is no other option!:D

I think you might be a little biased. :lol:

I landed on the silver/grey/red stripe with black wheels. The hood is a point of discussion with the wife (it's going to be flat, SSSHHHHH:rofl: ) she wants the cowl hood.

Thanks for all the great input guys! Time to start building.

[rocketman]

they all look good

[tones2SS]

they all look good

Yes. They both look awesome Eric. But, I think your wife has got good taste. Because I agree with her about the cowl hood! lol:thumbsup:
Either way, awesome looking ride!:cheers:

[70rs]

I may have to end up doing the cowl hood in addition to the flat one to keep her happy. We'll see how it goes.
It was Ben who made it look so good, I just had some ideas. But the two tone and red stripe was all Ben. He suprised me with it and it stuck. That is why guys like him , Jason R, Carter and all the rest are so good at what they do. I just don't have the "vision" required to do it right. You should have heard the "piping vs mullet" conversation me and Jason had at the Googuys BBQ. Good thing I'm not a designer is all I can say!:rofl: Thanks Jason!!:cheers:

[OLDFLM]

I say cowl and baby spoiler... or flat with no spoiler.
But I prefer the cowl/spoiler version fwiw! :thumbsup:

[70rs]

How about baby spoiler, no cowl, no front lower spoiler either?
I think if it had the cowl hood, a front spoiler would look ok.
Tony Rose brought up a good point at the GG show last weekend, that the second gens look good with no front spoiler, and with a baby rear spoiler.
But that if the car has the large three piece rear, then a front spolier looks good on it too. I have to agree. I saw both at the show and it made a big difference in person.
I think the cowl hood also looks better with the front spoiler, it helps balance out the fron end a bit. IMO.

Confused yet?

[GregWeld]

How about baby spoiler, no cowl, no front lower spoiler either?
I think if it had the cowl hood, a front spoiler would look ok.
Tony Rose brought up a good point at the GG show last weekend, that the second gens look good with no front spoiler, and with a baby rear spoiler.
But that if the car has the large three piece rear, then a front spolier looks good on it too. I have to agree. I saw both at the show and it made a big difference in person.
I think the cowl hood also looks better with the front spoiler, it helps balance out the fron end a bit. IMO.

Confused yet?


YES!! Now hurry up and get cranking on it so we can see it right here -- and then we can all comment on how we might have done it "better/different/more/less" etc.... :rofl:

[tones2SS]

How about baby spoiler, no cowl, no front lower spoiler either?
I think if it had the cowl hood, a front spoiler would look ok.
Tony Rose brought up a good point at the GG show last weekend, that the second gens look good with no front spoiler, and with a baby rear spoiler.
But that if the car has the large three piece rear, then a front spolier looks good on it too. I have to agree. I saw both at the show and it made a big difference in person.
I think the cowl hood also looks better with the front spoiler, it helps balance out the fron end a bit. IMO.

Confused yet?

A LITTLE!!! lol:lol:
Just kidding bud. Either way it's gonna be bad ass. But, I still like the cowl hood and chin spoiler. Adds "character"!!:cheers:

[70rs]

I honestly think it looks good with the cowl hood. But the flat one looks even better to me.
It's been hovering around the tripple digit temps here this week. Not much going on in the garage.

The design is done, the hood and spoiler will work out either way. Time to get my hands dirty again. Now I know what I am shooting for so it's easier to move forward.
I have the drivetrain, suspension,brakes, cooling and fuel systems, interior and pretty much all the little details planed out. Some may change along the way, but I am at a point where I can start making good progress now.

The car should be going back to media blasting in the next couple of weeks (to be done right this time). The exterior had been done before I got it. But they left the interior and drivetrain in. That is all out now. The sub frame is coming off and going to be stripped of parts. Then it can all go get blasted.

[70rs]

Slight change in the paint. I have seen a couple other cars with similar paint jobs to the one I had decided on. I really wanted to go with it but at the same time want my own car, not a duplicate of someone elses. So after bugging Ben some more (and thank you Ben for being so patinet with me:thumbsup: ) he came up with a little different design/color combo.

The main body color is the same dark grey as Tony Rose is doing on Karma and the center stripe is black with a red divider stripe. The red is carried to the wheels and will also be in the interior in a few small places to tie it all together.
I think having the Rushforth wheels with black centers and tinted windows will look great with the black center stripe. I can't wait!!
:cheers:

[Vegas69]

That should make Tony happy since you live in the same area.:unibrow:

[70rs]

The darker color was his(Tonys) idea in the original design. He sent me a pic of a Ferrari with it ( It's a factory color ) and thought it would look good incorporated into the silver theme somehow, just to break up the base a bit. I really like the color and wanted to keep it so I asked Ben to swap body and stripe colors around, this is what he came up with. Ben is great to work with.
The whole thoughts about color started at the GG show up here when I saw a first gen with pretty much the same color scheme (silver base/grey center stripe) then right after that saw the second gen from the Anvil site with a very similar paint job.
With as much time and effort I am putting into this car, I'd like it to be a little more unique and not "one of three" if that makes sense.

[tones2SS]

Doesn't really matter what color, she's still going to be killer!
But, I do like the new color as well.:cheers:

[70rs]

The car is coming outside this weekend and getting blown apart. I have had enough of lifes little interuptions and am going to get with the program now. I am determined to get this going. Finally! Pictures to follow.

Unless it rains, or is too hot, or I have to do the "honey do" list, or I have to mow the lawn, ......Yeah right. All that crap can wait. It's time for some serious bonding with my car my tools and my garage!! My tools are getting way too dusty from lack of use!:yes:

Besides, the lawn is dead. It would only take one match to make it a non issue till next year.:rofl:

[awr68]

That a boy!! :thumbsup:

[youthpastor]

The car is coming outside this weekend and getting blown apart. I have had enough of lifes little interuptions and am going to get with the program now. I am determined to get this going. Finally! Pictures to follow.

Unless it rains, or is too hot, or I have to do the "honey do" list, or I have to mow the lawn, ......Yeah right. All that crap can wait. It's time for some serious bonding with my car my tools and my garage!! My tools are getting way too dusty from lack of use!:yes:

Besides, the lawn is dead. It would only take one match to make it a non issue till next year.:rofl:

good for you..enjoy your weekend--call you tomorrow, I have some good news!!

[70rs]

Great! Looking forward to good news of any kind always.

[T-Type]

The car is coming outside this weekend and getting blown apart. I have had enough of lifes little interuptions and am going to get with the program now. I am determined to get this going. Finally! Pictures to follow.

Unless it rains, or is too hot, or I have to do the "honey do" list, or I have to mow the lawn, ......Yeah right. All that crap can wait. It's time for some serious bonding with my car my tools and my garage!! My tools are getting way too dusty from lack of use!:yes:

Besides, the lawn is dead. It would only take one match to make it a non issue till next year.:rofl:

well i know you've got the bumpers off already....just time to get at the rest..hahaha....maybe time to send the wife and kid to disneyland perhaps...hahha....if you convince them maybe they can then take my wife and kid and i'll get something accomplished as well...hahhaha. great choice on colors eric! looking good :thumbsup:

[70rs]

well i know you've got the bumpers off already....just time to get at the rest..hahaha....maybe time to send the wife and kid to disneyland perhaps...hahha....if you convince them maybe they can then take my wife and kid and i'll get something accomplished as well...hahhaha. great choice on colors eric! looking good :thumbsup:


I even have the tail lights out! I would send them to Disney Land if it wouldn't kill my car building budget:rofl:

Any luck with your project yet?:cheers:

[T-Type]

oh yes, forgot about the tails. hahhaa.

thanks for asking! my project is coming along....slow and steady....who am i kidding.....mostly slow....hahahah.....got a few things figured out....dropped a few other ideas... spent a few hours working on it yesterday as weather was cooperating. lightening came around today so high tailed it inside....there's always tomorrow i suppose. hahah.

i may order a set of those fiberglass bumpers off that site you sent me. thanks again for the link!

[tones2SS]

The car is coming outside this weekend and getting blown apart. I have had enough of lifes little interuptions and am going to get with the program now. I am determined to get this going. Finally! Pictures to follow.

Unless it rains, or is too hot, or I have to do the "honey do" list, or I have to mow the lawn, ......Yeah right. All that crap can wait. It's time for some serious bonding with my car my tools and my garage!! My tools are getting way too dusty from lack of use!:yes:

Besides, the lawn is dead. It would only take one match to make it a non issue till next year.:rofl:

That a boy Eric!! I anxiously await pics. Good luck and have fun!
Keep us posted buddy. I wish I was near-by to help with the tear-down process.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[70rs]

Thanks for the support guys. It helps a bunch. :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Pictures of the heap. You can see some of the rust issues. But really not too bad overall. It will get new full quarters, roof panel, tail panel, fenders, hood, trunk lid and some floor pan work. I want to do it right and since I have most of the replacement parts already (came with the car) I might as well use them. The quarters I have are not the full size version so I will have to buy those still.

[70rs]

A few more pics for your enjoyment.
Please keep in mind I did not do any of the "repairs" you see. I bought the car already stripped of paint and with the interior still in it. The drivetrain was also still in it. I am kind of irritated they left the door handles and locks, the urethane nose extension, drivetrain and interior in it when they blasted it. It destroyed the nose and all of the lenses on side markers and headlights. The handles are also toast.

[awr68]

Getting closer to breaking out the knife!! You'll have it looking like the rendering in no time!! :unibrow:

[70rs]

And yet some more pics. See, I really do own a car after all.:rofl: You can see in the engine pics the big chunk of the #3piston missing. The roller tip rockers had mushroomed all of the valve tips too. The heads are the camel hump castings and the drivers side one has a crack in it between the 1 and 3 cyl. The tranny is also toast. The whole package is a boat anchor now. Good thing I am going big block!:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Okay then....

I have a plasma cutter -- a couple body saws... 100's of cut off wheels... and multiple grinders of various sizes....

I see some serious slicin' and dicin' in your future!

LOL

[70rs]

Some more. There is some rot in the metal frame inside the urethane nose. You can see what a good wheel chock a second gen bumper makes (it's bent anyway). The bike is my therapist and the boat is for sale (hint, hint...):D

[GregWeld]

Are those bores oval?

And who the hell media blasts a car with the engine still installed....
:rolleyes:

[70rs]

And what car from the 70's would be complete without a pot pipe? Or at least half of one. I found this in the glove box wedged in the back. I'm guessing it has been there a very long time.:lol:

[70rs]

Are those bores oval?

And who the hell media blasts a car with the engine still installed....
:rolleyes:

The bores are sure e'fed up. That piston took a beating. Several others have dents and dings all over them too.

I have no idea what they were thinking when they blasted it. :mad:

[Vegas69]

Looks like a fairly solid car. You had better spend less time here and more time in the garage. You have a boat load of work to do!:unibrow:

[awr68]

You can store the bike at my house....just trying to make room for the project!! :unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Looks like a fairly solid car. You had better spend less time here and more time in the garage. You have a boat load of work to do!:unibrow:


U took the words right out of my mouth!! :wow:

[70rs]

Okay then....

I have a plasma cutter -- a couple body saws... 100's of cut off wheels... and multiple grinders of various sizes....

I see some serious slicin' and dicin' in your future!

LOL

Yup, sure thing Greg. Serious amounts of slicin' and dicin'. I really want it done right. And to do that it all has to go. I don't want any of the garbage to come back to haunt me down the road.

That plasma cutter may come in handy!! (it's good to know guys with more tools than I have LOL)

[70rs]

Looks like a fairly solid car. You had better spend less time here and more time in the garage. You have a boat load of work to do!:unibrow:

Yeah, no kidding Todd! It would sure speed up the project if someone bought the boat!! :rofl:

[70rs]

You can store the bike at my house....just trying to make room for the project!! :unibrow:

No problem. Just store Karma here so the bike doesn't tip into it. I'll take real good care of her for ya buddy!

[70rs]

This is a better example of the final body color choice. Tanks to Tony R. for the pic. and color suggestion.

[bad.samaritan]

Well here I am Eric, you have officially brought me over to the dark side lol...Love the renderings, I am a little partial to the red but those final two pics of the ferrari grey look awesome. Can't wait to get that motor/tranny combo out of there. Drop me a line when your ready to go.

[70rs]

Hello Ray!! Glad you came out of the dark ages when cars only went fast in a straight line!:rofl: The TC guys who just did the Pinks show should love that. :D
We have the technology on this site to make your Chevell go real fast around corners too.....
I'm thinking next weekend (Sunday?) for the motor and trans pull session.
I'll have the cherry picker and engine stand ready to go. I'll call you this week and confirm.
Thanks!:thumbsup:

Hey guys, Ray (bad.samaritan) lives near me and has a VERY nice Chevelle. I am working hard to get him to wreck his financial well being and do the PT treatment.
Welcom aboard Ray!

[awr68]

Welcome Ray!
Eric, what can I say...I love that color and can't wait to see both cars together! :cheers:

[tones2SS]

Very cool Eric. Let the madness begin!!!:willy:
Good luck with everything. Tell Ray to post a couple of pics of the Chevelle. Talk to you later bud.:cheers:

[GregWeld]

I really like the turbo plumbin' in your build!! Do you have any plans to change it?? I think I now understand the RED stripe with the Grey body color!! How cool is that!!


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/image012.jpg

[70rs]

DUDE!!! That was my top secret mega power ,next big thing to market power adder! Dammit, I don't have the patent yet!!:rofl:

But it does match the red stripe nice huh? It's all in the details my friend!

[70rs]

Thanks Tony Rose!! I picked up the rotissery this weekend from Tony's place and am hoping to have the car on it by the end of next week. Then reconstruction/repairs can start. :cheers:

[awr68]

Eric, you are most welcome! It was great to see ya again!! And now you know where to find me! :thumbsup:

[rwhite692]

How did I miss this thread? Looking good Eric! Keep the pics comin'

Rob

[GregWeld]

How did I miss this thread? Looking good Eric! Keep the pics comin'

Rob


Rob -- You dare to ask a question like that after meeting this crowd?? ;>)


Hey -- What's Ned doing with his Sled??

[70rs]

How did I miss this thread? Looking good Eric! Keep the pics comin'

Rob


Thanks Rob. It will look alot better when all of the rusty sheet metal is gone!
Hows life treating you these days?:cheers:

[70rs]

Rob -- You dare to ask a question like that after meeting this crowd?? ;>)


Hey -- What's Ned doing with his Sled??

Greg, you are right. With this crowd anything is possible huh?:lol:

[tones2SS]

Glad to hear it Eric. I look forward to the pics and progress.
Have fun buddy.:cheers:

[96z28ss]

Thanks Tony Rose!! I picked up the rotissery this weekend from Tony's place and am hoping to have the car on it by the end of next week. Then reconstruction/repairs can start. :cheers:

oh man I was going to ask to borrow that. I still have alot to do before but can I be next in line?

[70rs]

oh man I was going to ask to borrow that. I still have alot to do before but can I be next in line?

Can you wait about 18 months?:rofl:

I should be done with it in 6-8 weeks tops. Then I'll get it back to Tony.:thumbsup:

[96z28ss]

Can you wait about 18 months?:rofl:

I should be done with it in 6-8 weeks tops. Then I'll get it back to Tony.:thumbsup:

How about this? Do what you need to do then bring it to Bruning for some work and then we can just swap cars on the rotisseries.
Tony needs room in the tool shed and the garage for when his car comes back. so he can start assembly of his car.

[awr68]

How about this? Do what you need to do then bring it to Bruning for some work and then we can just swap cars on the rotisseries.

Sounds good to me!

Tony needs room in the tool shed and the garage for when his car comes back. so he can start assembly of his car.

True that!! :thumbsup:

[70rs]

How about this? Do what you need to do then bring it to Bruning for some work and then we can just swap cars on the rotisseries.
Tony needs room in the tool shed and the garage for when his car comes back. so he can start assembly of his car.


I can do that too! Is yours on one there? Did you mean bring my car to Brunings too? Hmmmm.....that is a good idea.....:_paranoid

[awr68]

I think Bob meant bring the rotisserie to BAD so he could use it....

[camaro2nv]

Thanks Tony Rose!! I picked up the rotissery this weekend from Tony's place and am hoping to have the car on it by the end of next week. Then reconstruction/repairs can start. :cheers:

Alright, looking forward to the new pics!

[ZMAN1969]

Sweet looking build I really like early second gens(owned 2 -70SS 2nd owner and a 70R/S sold them long time ago late 80's and early 90s) and I miss them a buddy in Ny has the R/S still took it on the 07 Power Tour- was like coming home again) good color choices too I really liked the deep red color but it will look great either way- Cool! :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Sweet looking build I really like early second gens(owned 2 -70SS 2nd owner and a 70R/S sold them long time ago late 80's and early 90s) and I miss them a buddy in Ny has the R/S still took it on the 07 Power Tour- was like coming home again) good color choices too I really liked the deep red color but it will look great either way- Cool! :thumbsup:

Thanks, I appreciate it. Progress has been very slow this last week. Every nut, bolt and screw in the front end is rusted solid and I am having to cut everything apart.:censored: I was going to have it up on the rotisserie last weekend but it didn't happen. I think I will have it on it next weekend as long as I can still find cutoff wheels around here and get it all apart. I already bought out two different stores stock of 3" wheels.

[70rs]

Project in a holding pattern for a while. Have to handle some personal issues that are a priority and that requires redirecting funds. I'll post an update down the road when it starts up again. :cheers:

[tones2SS]

Project in a holding pattern for a while. Have to handle some personal issues that are a priority and that requires redirecting funds. I'll post an update down the road when it starts up again. :cheers:

Sounds good Eric. We'll be watching out.:thumbsup:

[ccracin]

Found it! Good stuff right there. I knew it was a Hermance design. He does great work. I love what he did with our rendering. When we get further along, I'll post it. Keep up the great work. Oh and you sound like you are doing a great job with your son as well. I know some of what you are dealing with. I have twin 5 year old girls.:faint:

[70rs]

Found it! Good stuff right there. I knew it was a Hermance design. He does great work. I love what he did with our rendering. When we get further along, I'll post it. Keep up the great work. Oh and you sound like you are doing a great job with your son as well. I know some of what you are dealing with. I have twin 5 year old girls.:faint:

Twin girls? Oh man, better you than me. LOL!

Thanks for the kind words though. The school deal is a real test of my resolve and patients.

Ben was great to work with, a lot of talent and a hell of a nice guy.
Post yours soon, I'd like to see it.

[70rs]

Well, it has been a long time since this thread had any news worth posting.
Starting Monday I will be digging the car out of storage and getting back to work on things.
I am really excited about tearing back into this!:D

[awr68]

Well its about time! Does this mean you aren't going to help me any more? J/k....very happy to hear this, Eric! You have great plans for this car! :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Thanks buddy!
I will help out on yours......every time I pass through Oregon. Lol!

[awr68]

Deal! At least you aren't charging me storage for the rotisserie! Lol

[70rs]

Deal! At least you aren't charging me storage for the rotisserie! Lol

Good thing you are not charging me rent on that! Haha!

So the plan for the Camaro is......BUDGET.
That means an iron block based LS engine, as many GM factory components as possible (ls3 cam, L92 heads, LS3 intake & TB.....)
I will also use a T56 with a factory type clutch set up. Corvette based brake system. You get the idea.
The suspension up front will keep the original subframe but use aftermarket upper & lower arms, spindles and hubs.
The rear will be all aftermarket/custom. More on that later.

Interior, yet to be decided. But I will have new seats and custom console, door panels and rear side panels too. Those items I will build myself. In fact, 99% of the entire build will be done by me.

The last 2 years have sucked on a personal level. No other way to put it. Things are getting much better now and it's time to get back into the project.
I have made a bunch of great friends here at Lat-g and I wanted to say thank you for all of the support over those difficult times.
Now.....on with the fun stuff!

[scherp69]

Glad to hear things are going better for you Eric. It's nice when your on a roller coaster ride to go up for a while. I know the past few years have been quite a roller coaster ride in our house. Thankfully we've been going up for a while now. Hope it stays that way for you. Make sure to post some pics soon. Hell even take some pics of how it sits now all covered in dust just waiting to be dragged back out. :cheers:

[70rs]

Hi Mike! Im glad to hear things are good with you.
I will get some pics Monday from the storage unit its in.

I dont have any delusions of making giant leaps on this, but anything in the way of progress will do me just fine.

[NOT A TA]

Glad to see you got to keep the car through the tough times and you can get back to making progress on it!

[coolwelder62]

Eric,It was great to visit with you the other day.Can't wait to see you get your project out and dust it off.Let me know how and when I can help.Scott M.:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Good to hear Eric!

Now kick some ass and take some names!


:woot:


BTW..... Are you and Anthony going into your second decade on the build?? :rofl: :rofl: :willy: :rofl: Just giving you both crap here.... as I'm the first one to tell anyone that listens - "life is what happens when you're busy making other plans". So dang true!

[Flash68]

Eric, that's great news. Glad to see things are improving for you, and I really like your budget minded but very well thought out plans for the car.

:thumbsup:

[70rs]

Glad to see you got to keep the car through the tough times and you can get back to making progress on it!

Thanks John! We need to catch up again, soon. :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Eric, that's great news. Glad to see things are improving for you, and I really like your budget minded but very well thought out plans for the car.

:thumbsup:

Thanks! I would love to go all out on the parts list, but in reality I just don't need to. I am confident I can build a great performer that also looks good for a reasonable amount.

[GregWeld]

Thanks! I would love to go all out on the parts list, but in reality I just don't need to. I am confident I can build a great performer that also looks good for a reasonable amount.

Every time you think about high dollar builds and parts -- just ask yourself "what would Mary and David Pozzi do?" --- because they kicked every 100K+ cars butt with a nice simple small block and leaf springs.... in a simple straight forward car. Mind you -- driving skill is the winner there every time -- but nonetheless -- it was done in a nice, simple, well sorted, relatively inexpensive car.

[70rs]

Every time you think about high dollar builds and parts -- just ask yourself "what would Mary and David Pozzi do?" --- because they kicked every 100K+ cars butt with a nice simple small block and leaf springs.... in a simple straight forward car. Mind you -- driving skill is the winner there every time -- but nonetheless -- it was done in a nice, simple, well sorted, relatively inexpensive car.


Bingo! Her car and the results she has had with it (before the make over) were a big part of why I decided to go this route. Well that AND a serious lack in the budget area. Lol!

[70rs]

Eric,It was great to visit with you the other day.Can't wait to see get your project out and dust it off.Let me know how and when I can help.Scott M.:thumbsup:
Thanks Scott! I will be in touch soon!

Good to hear Eric!

Now kick some ass and take some names!


:woot:
:thumbsup:

BTW..... Are you and Anthony going into your second decade on the build?? :rofl: :rofl: :willy: :rofl: Just giving you both crap here.... as I'm the first one to tell anyone that listens - "life is what happens when you're busy making other plans". So dang true!

Not quite into my second decade yet......hahaha!

[Blake Foster]

gotta be exciting to get back to work on this for you.
:thumbsup:

[70rs]

gotta be exciting to get back to work on this for you.
:thumbsup:

I am Blake. Very. But a little nervous too. I will be taking on several areas that are new to me and I don't want to screw it up. But, no better way to learn than by doing it myself right? Lol!

[waynieZ]

Glad to hear your doing well and you'll get to go back to work on the car. I'll be looking for those pictures.

[70rs]

Glad to hear your doing well and you'll get to go back to work on the car. I'll be looking for those pictures.

Thanks Wayne. I appreciate (from everyone) the good thoughts.
I will get some pics up Monday evening of the dirty old bucket.

[GregWeld]

I am Blake. Very. But a little nervous too. I will be taking on several areas that are new to me and I don't want to screw it up. But, no better way to learn than by doing it myself right? Lol!

Just pick up a tool and start somewhere.... that's the hardest part!:woot:

[Blake Foster]

Just pick up a tool and start somewhere.... that's the hardest part!:woot:

and i am sure if you are concerned you know a couple guys on here that are only a phone call away :thumbsup: :lateral:

[70rs]

and i am sure if you are concerned you know a couple guys on here that are only a phone call away :thumbsup: :lateral:
Kind of what I was thinking too.....there is this Canadian guy...and some dude in Oregon...maybe one ot two even closer to me in Washington....:D

[tones2SS]

Very good to hear that you are going to back to work on the car Eric. You must have been biting at the bit to get back at it.
Good luck with it and keep us posted buddy!:cheers:

[awr68]

So, is it home yet? :D

[70rs]

Very good to hear that you are going to back to work on the car Eric. You must have been biting at the bit to get back at it.
Good luck with it and keep us posted buddy!:cheers:
Thanks Tony. YES! I have been chomping at the bit to say the least!
So, is it home yet? :D

Home? No. but I did clear out space to work on it.
I am hoping to drag it to my dads shop. But he is a little "challenged" for space. I may have to turn my storage unit into a work area for now. I do have lights and power in the unit. But there is furniture and house hold crap in there too. I need to organize it better then I should be fine for now.

[MaxHarvard]

Can't wait to see it when it gets back :)

[awr68]

Well that's progress! :thumbsup:

[youthpastor]

Holy Cow! it's alive....it's ALIVE!!! glad to hear life is getting back on track and that means...time to get busy on the car!

Good luck- Iron block 6.0 rocks- enjoy!

[70rs]

Holy Cow! it's alive....it's ALIVE!!! glad to hear life is getting back on track and that means...time to get busy on the car!

Good luck- Iron block 6.0 rocks- enjoy!

Thanks Chris!

I got the area around the car cleaned out yesterday. Now I need to organize the remaining stuff in the storage unit so I can actually get working space without destroying my furniture in there too. (i know, red neck mechanics at its finest here) but I am stuck for space and want to get this off the "back burner".

I have been lining up some parts to get next week that should jump start the project pretty well.

[1970camaroRS]

I think someone close to you knows a thing or two about 6.0L iron motors...

Glad to hear you're going again. Must have had a bit of mine rub off on you when you picked up your engine stand!

[70rs]

I think someone close to you knows a thing or two about 6.0L iron motors...

Glad to hear you're going again. Must have had a bit of mine rub off on you when you picked up your engine stand!

And I will be tapping that knowledge base this summer!

How are you recovering? Everything going smoothly I hope.:cheers:

[70rs]

Little update here.
Today I picked up a 383 stroker, a t56 tranny and had a good time visiting with Greg Weld. I also got a chance to see Gregs 32 for the first time in person. Beautiful car to say the least. And it sounds just as good as it looks.
I also had a chance to check out the 69 he is working on, Greg really does know how to use his tool collection. NICE WORK!

In fact, the engine and tranny that used to live in the 32 will now reside under the hood of my Camaro.
This started by me posting a question about factory hydraulic clutch parts. Greg said he had a master cyl for me so I got in touch and asked if he had one for sale. He said no, that I could just have it. One thing led to another and today Greg and his brother in law Rudy loaded the back of my truck with all of the parts for the engine and trans.
And I have to say there are some REALLY nice parts in there! As in a forged steel crank, roller lifters, roller rockers, RHS iron heads, 2.02 stainless valves, guideplates, ARP hardware for the whole engine, a Edelbrock RPM air gap polished intake, a very nice 4 bolt 350 block that still has the crosshatch from when it was built.....Plus a complete T56 tranny with shifter, slave cyl and bellhousing.
This is not a bunch of worn out stuff. It is all in nearly new unused condition. With a set of rings, a cam and a gasket set I am in business.
Oh, and it is all a cool shade of red....:D

Greg pretty much just gave me all of it. :wow:

This is a HUGE deal to me. It will kick start the build in a great way and in the long run saves me thousands of dollars. It means my car is on the road just that much quicker. It means I don't have to worry about a drivetrain anymore now.

I know I said I was going the LSx route. But how can I turn this opportunity away? I can't. And I would be a fool to. Now I have the makings of a serious little motor to use and can put my focus on other areas of the car build. The budget on this is SUPER tight. But it will get done. Things like this are a real blessing.


I wanedt to say openly here what I already said to Greg about a hundred times already, THANKS BUDDY!!!! I really can not express what this means to me. :cheers: :thumbsup:

It is all in my garage tonight and I will be taking it over to where the car is tomorrow. I will get some decent pics of it all then.

[ma73z]

:hail: Greg Weld. Awesome stuff Eric, hope this gets your project moving for you.:thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Greg,:thumbsup: :thumbsup: I hope sometime I get a chance to by you a Steak & a Cold Bud.:thumbsup: Scott M.

[Streetking]

Nice moves Greg! Congrats on the score Eric..

[GregWeld]

Just sharing the love guys..... Not to down play the parts at all - but these are parts I won't use. I have spare sets of aluminum heads - and I have an LS6 on a rolling stand I haven't used in 6+ years... so I'd use that motor "first".

Eric is one of the good guys... and I've seen his posts volunteering to help others on here frequently. I never sell parts... I just can't be bothered... but I keep them around until I find someone I WANT to give them to... that deserves them. :lateral: :cheers:

Eric --- It must have been very dark in the shed... and you never saw me with a tool in my hand! :D

[BBC71Nova]

What? Dark shed...Greg had his tool in his hand...??? HA! J/K.

Great move Greg :thumbsup:

[70rs]

What? Dark shed...Greg had his tool in his hand...??? HA! J/K.

Great move Greg :thumbsup:

^^^^^ HAHA!:lol:

[camcojb]

congrats Eric. And a special "thanks" to guys like Greg who help the community. :thumbsup:

[Al Moreno]

WOW, makes me proud to be a small part of the GREATEST COMMUNITY IN THE FREAKING UNIVERSE! :thumbsup: Greg.

[Ron in SoCal]

I wanted to quote the last five posts! Greg, simply awesome...:thumbsup: Eric, way to go Bro now get busy and post some pics! :D

[70rs]

WOW, makes me proud to be a small part of the GREATEST COMMUNITY IN THE FREAKING UNIVERSE! :thumbsup: Greg.

I agree Al. The people here are why I joined. The cars are just a bonus.:thumbsup:


I wanted to quote the last five posts! Greg, simply awesome...:thumbsup: Eric, way to go Bro now get busy and post some pics! :D

I know, I know pictures......i am taking some today, posting when I get home tonight. The car sure is not much to see, but I have some nice engine goodies to look at.

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. Making me all warm and fuzzy. :lol:

[Flash68]

Congrats Eric. We all want to see you get this car on the road. :thumbsup:

And Mr Weld... well done sir... well done. :cheers:

[70rs]

Congrats Eric. We all want to see you get this car on the road. :thumbsup:

And Mr Weld... well done sir... well done. :cheers:

Thanks Dave. I appreciate that.
Everyone has been very supportive and it makes a difference. Several months ago I thought I was going to have to sell the car. But things have changed for the better and now I finally get to build it. I am pretty excited about it.
And Greg doing what he did with the motor & tranny gives the whole thing a real shot in the arm so to speak.

I still have a bunch of things to get like sheet metal, plumbing, brake system, fuel system, interior...but a lot of the "big ticket" items are dealt with at this point.

[68400BIRD]

Just sharing the love guys..... Not to down play the parts at all - but these are parts I won't use. I have spare sets of aluminum heads - and I have an LS6 on a rolling stand I haven't used in 6+ years... so I'd use that motor "first".

Eric is one of the good guys... and I've seen his posts volunteering to help others on here frequently. I never sell parts... I just can't be bothered... but I keep them around until I find someone I WANT to give them to... that deserves them. :lateral: :cheers:

Eric --- It must have been very dark in the shed... and you never saw me with a tool in my hand! :D

WOW!!! That was very generous of you. Eric was one of the first members on here to give me a nice welcome. Nothing better than good people helping good people.

[waynieZ]

Eric congratulation's you'll have a nice little runner with that motor.
Greg. Nicely done. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Kudos Greg. :thumbsup:

You said it Eric, that is a blessing. :)

The Greg Weld Experience....more than just wheels, its a whole shed! :woot:

[Flash68]

The Greg Weld Experience....more than just wheels, its a whole shed! :woot:

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

kick azz news eric!!!

also Im not surprised at all that greg would do that:thumbsup:

[70rs]

Thanks guys!:cheers:

I just dropped the block, crank & heads at the machine shop. They are going to hone the cylinders for moly ring, install cam bearings & freeze plugs and give everything the once over to check tolerances. :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Very awesome Eric. Great to hear. Can't wait to see the pics.:thumbsup:
Kudos to Greg for being a great guy and being so generous.:cheers:

[70rs]

Very awesome Eric. Great to hear. Can't wait to see the pics.:thumbsup:
Kudos to Greg for being a great guy and being so generous.:cheers:

Thanks buddy!

As promised here are some pictures. Fair warning, not too much to see except potential.



sweet, pictures are too large. How the hell do I re size them??

Ok I figured out the resize deal, now it says file to large??? WTF! I HATE computers!
New pics with the old digital camrea soon and not the "Smart" phone....yeah
right..smart!

Ok, compressed now too. Hope it works. The last shot is a crunched mopar near my storage unit waiting for some attention. Too bad, just rotting there.

[70rs]

I forgot to ad one of the car itself. DUH!!
The shot on the trailer is from March when I had to put it in storage. The other is as it sits today.

[coolwelder62]

Eric,it's great to see you moving forward.:thumbsup: One day at a time and you will be there before you know it.

[GregWeld]

Okay -- enough about "me" -- I did what any of you would do... helped out a buddy with some spares. Not that big of a deal. :D

He was eyeballing the LS6 though.... :rofl:

The shed is full of 'crap' after doing this stuff for 4 DECADES.... Man time flies when you're having fun!

Eric ---- I had a M/C and slave for that tranny etc -- and I'm certain I have the flywheel here (got a couple under the stairs)... but I can't remember if I gave the M/C/slave away or put it somewhere... The A.D.D. kicks in (yes I really am but I don't take the meds unless I have a biz meeting) and I forget about details like that. :willy:

[Ricochet]

Nice to hear things are moving forward for both you and the car!! Life as we know can throw us curveballs and seriously have to prioritize things. I'm coming close to being one of "Decade Projects" with you and Tony...:rofl: Glad you were able to keep it and continue this journey. You are obviously surrounded by good people locally as well as this community to help you push forward and get it done! :thumbsup:

Keep us posted!

[70rs]

Okay -- enough about "me" -- I did what any of you would do... helped out a buddy with some spares. Not that big of a deal. :D

He was eyeballing the LS6 though.... :rofl:

The shed is full of 'crap' after doing this stuff for 4 DECADES.... Man time flies when you're having fun!

Eric ---- I had a M/C and slave for that tranny etc -- and I'm certain I have the flywheel here (got a couple under the stairs)... but I can't remember if I gave the M/C/slave away or put it somewhere... The A.D.D. kicks in (yes I really am but I don't take the meds unless I have a biz meeting) and I forget about details like that. :willy:

Greg, I have the slave cyl with the tranny. I will get in touch on the M/C and flywheel.
I am dropping off the pistons/rods , valves and balancer at the machine shop today.

I didn't notice any A.D.D. but I did hear you talking to yourself a lot......:D

[OLDFLM]

How cool is that!! :lateral: Good things do come to those who wait! :thumbsup:

[syborg tt]

Eric,

I am certainly going to have some extra parts that came off my camaro that you may want.

and when your ready I will take care of you with the billet battery tray.

btw - Greg your a pretty good guy

[70rs]

Eric,

I am certainly going to have some extra parts that came off my camaro that you may want.

and when your ready I will take care of you with the billet battery tray.

btw - Greg your a pretty good guy

Thanks Marty! I appreciate that very much!
Let me know what you have, we can go from there.:cheers:

[tones2SS]

Very cool Eric. At least you have a car and parts to start your build. lol I'll be at that point someday. Hopefully.:_paranoid
Have fun and keep us posted bud.:thumbsup:

[70rs]

Very cool Eric. At least you have a car and parts to start your build. lol I'll be at that point someday. Hopefully.:_paranoid
Have fun and keep us posted bud.:thumbsup:

Thanks buddy! Im off to a great start for sure. I have some other things in the works (more parts locally, small stuff) and am also trying to work out some real shop space. Oh and gather up more tools too. Like a welder. My old POS just wont cut it. Its dead.
Hey Tony I meant to tell you my email addy you have is no good anymore. I will PM you the new one.

[waynieZ]

Eric; Those parts look like Gold to me, You have a great start to your build. I hope you have similar luck with the parts your chasing locally. Keep us in the loop.

[70rs]

Eric; Those parts look like Gold to me, You have a great start to your build. I hope you have similar luck with the parts your chasing locally. Keep us in the loop.

Thanks Wayne.
I'm trying to get a pair of OE fenders and tail panel. And maybe a core support.

I am looking forward to seeing your car come back soon. I wish mine was that far along.
The quality on yours is just amazing. It should outlast all of us!

[rwhite692]

Eric this is looking really good and big kudos to GW for helping out. GW will get into Gearhead Heaven someday for sure.

[70rs]

Eric this is looking really good and big kudos to GW for helping out. GW will get into Gearhead Heaven someday for sure.

Im thinkin they got a spot reserved for him.


Oh Wayne, they ARE gold to me.:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Eric this is looking really good and big kudos to GW for helping out. GW will get into Gearhead Heaven someday for sure.

Not an F'n chance in hell..... there's way too much badness in the ledger to be offset with a little bit o'goodness! :unibrow:

[awr68]

Good on you Greg! :thumbsup:
Eric, as I told you before, I'm very excited for you! This will really get the project going again! Awesome awesome awesome!! :cheers:

[70rs]

Good on you Greg! :thumbsup:
Eric, as I told you before, I'm very excited for you! This will really get the project going again! Awesome awesome awesome!! :cheers:

Thanks Tony! I wish I was going camping with you guys again. Maybe later this summer?

[Ron Fox]

Eric, it's great to hear you are back on track and moving forward in a positive way. Have Faith and keep that Vision of a completed '70 RS. It will happen soon especially with good guys like Mr. Weld. :thumbsup:

What goes around comes around and looks like the good things are coming back your way. Can't wait to see more photo's of her coming together.

(Seeing your thread makes me want to start my own build thread.)

[fletcherscustoms]

Eric,

Put me a list together of some parts for your engine you need. WE have some new and gently used stuff laying around from past builds, And I would love to send you some over to help out.

Short list of some stuff we got

-140 amp alternator
-Short SBS water pump
-DSE style power steering pump with bracket
-Holley fuel log
-Holley throttle cable brackets
-etc

[70rs]

Eric,

Put me a list together of some parts for your engine you need. WE have some new and gently used stuff laying around from past builds, And I would love to send you some over to help out.

Short list of some stuff we got

-140 amp alternator
-Short SBS water pump
-DSE style power steering pump with bracket
-Holley fuel log
-Holley throttle cable brackets
-etc

Wow Chad! I don't know what to say.....thank you! I really apprecate the offer.
Ill send a PM today.


Ron, You should start a build thread now that things are moving forward. I know I would like to see it.

[fletcherscustoms]

ITs my pleasure!!!

[Ron Fox]

Great move Chad! :thumbsup:

[fletcherscustoms]

SO many folks did things for us when we built Ty's car. This is my way of giving back!! Plus the parts are going to waste sitting around the shop. As long as someone can put them to good use, I would rather them go there, Than sit here and collect dust.

[70rs]

Eric,

Put me a list together of some parts for your engine you need. WE have some new and gently used stuff laying around from past builds, And I would love to send you some over to help out.

Short list of some stuff we got

-140 amp alternator
-Short SBS water pump
-DSE style power steering pump with bracket
-Holley fuel log
-Holley throttle cable brackets
-etc

Chad,
If you can work me up a price on the 140 amp alt, DSE PS pump & bracket and throttle cable brackets I will take those. And is the water pump aluminum or high flow or ??
I may want to buy that too. Dont forget a shipping quote too. My zip is 98223.
Thanks!

[GregWeld]

Eric -- Don't forget to post up about the junk block I gave you... that will make a good read! :yes:

[70rs]

Eric -- Don't forget to post up about the junk block I gave you... that will make a good read! :yes:


I was gonna keep that little bit between us. Lol!

As it turns out the block has seen better days. As I understand it, when Greg bought the 32 it ran rough and had a bad vibration. So after a leak down test and a quick check on the bore diameter. Failing leakdown tests and seeing the bore at .060 over already they moved on to the land of crate motors.
When Greg and I looked at the block on Tuesday it looked great. We didnt measure anything. It only had about 600 miles since built. We assumed it was never broken in and the rings never seated. The bores LOOKED really good. I had the machinist check the bores and it turns out the bores are all out of round, have some bad taper and have been honed WAY beyond anything that can be used. Whoever machined it last was not qualified to floss thier own teeth.

So I am looking around for a decent block now. They are everywhere and cheap. It shouldnt be any trouble.

I hope no one gets the wrong impression. I am very gratefull for all of this. I only mentioned it this afternoon to Greg because it answers why it ran rough and that was something both he and I were curious about already.

Besides, its going to make a really cool coffee table base now. :D

[70rs]

I am happy to announce that I will be running rear suspension from Scott Mock.
This system is just like the one Kevin Miller has been using with great results in his 69 Camaro. (Kevin recently changed to a full Ridetech system)

I have also asked Scott to make a duplicate of the lower dash and gauge insert in his current second gen for me.

Scott has a few other customer projects he is working on now. When those are finished up then he will start fabrication on my parts order. He & I have been talking about a few other items for my car. I will update as we get things dialed in.

Thanks Scott! Im really looking forward to running those parts on my car.:thumbsup:

[WSSix]

sweetness! That's what I'm considering having Scott do for me as well. The more I look at it all while I wait patiently for the time I can actually work on my car, the more I think I'll keep it very simple with bolt on parts for the stock front sub and get a quality rear suspension to replace the leafs.

Good luck moving forward from here.

[70rs]

sweetness! That's what I'm considering having Scott do for me as well. The more I look at it all while I wait patiently for the time I can actually work on my car, the more I think I'll keep it very simple with bolt on parts for the stock front sub and get a quality rear suspension to replace the leafs.

Good luck moving forward from here.
Thanks Trey! You should get in touch with Scott and have him build a system for you. Its almost a bolt in deal. Its also cost efficient and track proven.

[WSSix]

Thanks Eric. I've got to decide if I want to start with another car or not first. I need my quarters replaced etc in the rear and am just not sure if I can justify the cost of panel replacement when I can find whole bodies for less than one quarter panel costs. Decisions decisions, lol. I like what Scott did with his 72.

[NOT A TA]

Been a couple weeks since I checked in on this thread. Looks like things are going great with the generous donations from Greg!

I had a thought on a good use for Mr. Weld's hefty but unusable block donation. Why not turn the block in for scrap and buy something you need for the car? Turn the block into the GW hood pins or shifter or or whatever? You'd be one step closer to completion, have a great story, and not spend time or money on a side project like a table.

Time for a project thread!!!

[70rs]

Been a couple weeks since I checked in on this thread. Looks like things are going great with the generous donations from Greg!

I had a thought on a good use for Mr. Weld's hefty but unusable block donation. Why not turn the block in for scrap and buy something you need for the car? Turn the block into the GW hood pins or shifter or or whatever? You'd be one step closer to completion, have a great story, and not spend time or money on a side project like a table.

Time for a project thread!!!

Good point John. I hadn't though about that. I will find a place to take it.
I think I found a replacement block close to home for dirt cheap
And maybe a set of rods too. That leaves the cam & pistons, bearings, rings and gaskets to round out the bottom end. :thumbsup:

[scherp69]

Just read the updates Eric. That's awesome. One great guy helping another :cheers: But you keep talking about this motor and trans. But :ttiwop:

[OLDFLM]

Did you see this yet Eric?

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?81214-71-Camaro-Parts-Free

[70rs]

Did you see this yet Eric?

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?81214-71-Camaro-Parts-Free

I did not see that Ty. But thanks for the heads up! I need those things too.:thumbsup:


Mike
I posted pics a couple pages back of the parts. Not much to look at while piled up in the bed of my truck, but as a completed motor they are great.

[68400BIRD]

So, when do we get to see some progress? I think we all love to look at pictures:D My main goal for the last month is to try to work on the car every day. No matter how small or large of a project it might be. Heck I even consider cleaning up the garage an accomplishment sometimes. If I can even get something ordered or stop by the hardware store to pick up some nuts and bolts I feel better. Small steps are better than no steps in my book.:thumbsup:

[70rs]

So, when do we get to see some progress? I think we all love to look at pictures:D My main goal for the last month is to try to work on the car every day. No matter how small or large of a project it might be. Heck I even consider cleaning up the garage an accomplishment sometimes. If I can even get something ordered or stop by the hardware store to pick up some nuts and bolts I feel better. Small steps are better than no steps in my book.:thumbsup:

I agree! My progress the next couple of weeks is going to be gathering parts, tools and helping my dad finish part ofhis shop so I can have a better place to work on the car. The storage unit its in is just too full of other crap.
I am picking up a replacement subframe later this week I hope (stock OE sub) and need a place to build it. It is already powdercoated and ready to go. Mine is ok but the new one is at a point to build up. No cleaning and crap of the old one. And the price is right. Its cheaper than having mine blasted and coated.

I guess my point is......i need space. Helping my dad does two things, it works out good for him since this has needed to be finished for a long time and its the kick start he needs. And it gets me space. Plus we get to hang out. He is going to help where he can on the car build to.
So I guess its turning into a grandfather, father, son build. (my son will be involved also):thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Thanks buddy! Im off to a great start for sure. I have some other things in the works (more parts locally, small stuff) and am also trying to work out some real shop space. Oh and gather up more tools too. Like a welder. My old POS just wont cut it. Its dead.
Hey Tony I meant to tell you my email addy you have is no good anymore. I will PM you the new one.

You are off to a great start. Good luck with the other stuff that you need. Very cool/nice of Greg to hook up you up. Once again, goes to show the way lateral-g is a community of great people.
I got your new email address. Thanks and keep us posted bud!:cheers:

[70rs]

You are off to a great start. Good luck with the other stuff that you need. Very cool/nice of Greg to hook up you up. Once again, goes to show the way lateral-g is a community of great people.
I got your new email address. Thanks and keep us posted bud!:cheers:

Sure thing bud!

Hey? Shouldn't you be in the market for a project pretty soon?:D

[70rs]

Whooooo Hooooo!

Picking up a new (to me) subframe in the AM from Mr C. Morrison.
:thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

^ :yes: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[TorqDork]

I'm fairly new here so just started checking out this thread and think you made a "Great" Choice" on the color scheme :thumbsup:

I'm guessing Red Calipers??? But the Pewter with the darker Charcoal on the hood with the red is a great choice!! Subtle, mean, and elegant! Might be cool if you match the wheel spoke shade with the dark Charcoal on the hood but then again, the black adds an additional element of color.

Glad you really thought things through and took your time as hard as that can be!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[70rs]

I'm fairly new here so just started checking out this thread and think you made a "Great" Choice" on the color scheme :thumbsup:

I'm guessing Red Calipers??? But the Pewter with the darker Charcoal on the hood with the red is a great choice!! Subtle, mean, and elegant! Might be cool if you match the wheel spoke shade with the dark Charcoal on the hood but then again, the black adds an additional element of color.

Glad you really thought things through and took your time as hard as that can be!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I think you meant to post on Rons thread maybe?
My car will be blue. :cheers:

Edit...... I apologize. I didnt realize you were looking at my avatar pic. Things have changed since that was put up. But thank you for the kind words.
Now the car will be blue with a hood graphic. I will try to find the rendering and post it up.

[TorqDork]

I think you meant to post on Rons thread maybe?
My car will be blue. :cheers:

Edit...... I apologize. I didnt realize you were looking at my avatar pic. Things have changed since that was put up. But thank you for the kind words.
Now the car will be blue with a hood graphic. I will try to find the rendering and post it up.

I guess I got to the point where I thought you had made the final decision. My Mistake. Maybe your wife has more influence than you think. They usually can't make up their mind! :lol: Sorry! couldn't resist that one!!!

Would love to see the final look. What's the powerplant???

Still like the Pewter/Charcoal/Red combo!

[daytonayellaz]

Cool build Eric! Congrats on the AME frame :cheers: I will be following along. As you may now know.. I have a 70 also and replied to your question over on Rons thread. I will start my build thread here shortly now that Rons car is done and heading back to SoCal. Get crackin man! Easier said than done right? Lol.. :thumbsup:

[70rs]

I guess I got to the point where I thought you had made the final decision. My Mistake. Maybe your wife has more influence than you think. They usually can't make up their mind! :lol: Sorry! couldn't resist that one!!!

Would love to see the final look. What's the powerplant???

Still like the Pewter/Charcoal/Red combo!

I like that color combo too. But right after I gave that rendering the final ok another car designed by Jason Rushforth showed up in a magazine. It had just been finished in Texas. I think theres a comment back in the thread somewhere. So Ben Hermance worked up a new one for me. Ill post it tonight.

[96z28ss]

This thread has got to be a record.
19 pages long and only a few pictures.

[70rs]

Cool build Eric! Congrats on the AME frame :cheers: I will be following along. As you may now know.. I have a 70 also and replied to your question over on Rons thread. I will start my build thread here shortly now that Rons car is done and heading back to SoCal. Get crackin man! Easier said than done right? Lol.. :thumbsup:

Travis,
I saw your reply in Rons thread. Mine is also in bare metal, but still a rolling chassis. The rotissery is next.
The frame I am getting from Craig in the morning is NOT a AME sub. Its the OEM sub from a 1970 camaro. They used it as the basis for the fabricated one they sell.
I guess it's what they measured the suspension and chasis/body mount points for.
The huge benefit for me is that it is already clean, solid and powder coated. And it's verified to be square.
For the $200.00 he listed it for, its cheaper than having my sub blasted and powder coated. Not to mention the possible repairs and running around with it.

Besides, I can sell mine as a complete unit with everything on it and direct the funds back into the build. :thumbsup:

[70rs]

This thread has got to be a record.
19 pages long and only a few pictures.

What are you trying to say exactly?:D


Another great day!

I went to Art Morrison this morning and picked up my replacement subframe. It's a OEM unit mentioned in my last post. I met with Craig Morrison there and got the guided tour of the whole place. That was VERY COOL! Thanks for taking the time Craig, I really learned a lot and enjoyed every minute.
Craig showed me some different projects they are working on, some prototype parts and the complete manufacturing proccess from raw materials to crated ready to ship rolling chassis. Gearhead heaven!

After that I stopped in at Chris Holstrom Concepts (youthpastor) new shop and got to see the projects he is working on right now. There is a couple nice 'birds, a sweet Chevelle and the red first gen that just came back from the interior guy. It turned out very nice! I will let him post pics when it's all assembled.

Chris introduced me to a really nice guy named Rees. He does custom carbon fiber parts and has some cool stuff going on in his shop too. www.carbonguy.com
He is the one who did all the CF work on the Art Morrison 'vette.

On my way home to unload this sub. I will TRY to post some pictures tonight.:D

[tones2SS]

Sure thing bud!

Hey? Shouldn't you be in the market for a project pretty soon?:D
I wish bud. After the 2 years of unemployment, I am now set back 2 years. I could always sell my current Camaro.:unibrow:

Whooooo Hooooo!
Picking up a new (to me) subframe in the AM from Mr C. Morrison.
:thumbsup:

That is awesome Eric!! Glad to hear that things are going so well for you. You deserve it bud. Good luck with everything and keep us posted.:cheers:
Oh,.......we NEED pics.;)

[ma73z]

:thumbsup: more progress :cheers:

[70rs]

YES!!!! Just scored a really nice set of OEM fenders and trunk lid. Bonus!

[70rs]

Pictures as promised. Just some parts collected recently. I will get some better pics of the sub and body panels today.

[70rs]

And a few shots from my travels yesterday. Chris' shop and a few of his projects. And one shot of my son at a local cruise in. He is a total car nut himself. He can pick out Camaros from all generations, Chevelles, Mustangs, Vettes and Firebirds, everything else is a "hot rod".

[68400BIRD]

Nice collection of parts. Must have bigger pictures of the Firebird:hail:

[70rs]

Nice collection of parts. Must have bigger pictures of the Firebird:hail:

I was actually thinking that you would like to see that car as I took the pictures. I will see if there is a bigger /better pic

[ma73z]

Looks like you got some nice parts, sure is a shiny intake :unibrow:.

[70rs]

Here ya go....

[68400BIRD]

Thanks Eric, I'm glad that I looked at those in a bigger format. I just figured out that my tranny cooler:_paranoid would not have fit with the upper close out panels. I will have to lower it down. That car is pretty sweet looking:D I love the color.

[70rs]

Thanks Eric, I'm glad that I looked at those in a bigger format. I just figured out that my tranny cooler:_paranoid would not have fit with the upper close out panels. I will have to lower it down. That car is pretty sweet looking:D I love the color.

No problem. It is a really nice car. The cloth top looks like it belongs on a Bently.
I dont know the color code but to me it looks darker than Cortez Silver. Maybe Chris knows.

[70rs]

Looks like you got some nice parts, sure is a shiny intake :unibrow:.

Thanks! That's a polished Edelbrock perf rpm intake and a holley 670 street avenger carb from GW.

[Ron Fox]

Looking good Eric!

Cool pic of "Little Dude."

[70rs]

Looking good Eric!

Cool pic of "Little Dude."

Thanks Ron. He & I have a blast together.


Engine update: dropping the pistons of with my machine guy tomorrow so he can finish hone the bores to size. I ended up with a different block and its a 4 bolt too.
I am able to re use the pistons that came with the block I got from Greg.
He also has a nice set of H beam forged rods for me.
Now I am down to buying rings, bearings and gaskets for the bottom end.

I also need a hyd roller cam. But am not sure which one to get. Any suggestions on lift, duration, LSA?
Iron heads (RHS Pro topline), 388cid, Eddy perf rpm intake,10:1 comp,
No power adders.
Want good power but its a street motor first.

[GregWeld]

Get a comp cams THUMPER -- great sound -- head turner -- good manors... good bottom end power. SMALLER is BETTER in cams for the street.

[70rs]

Get a comp cams THUMPER -- great sound -- head turner -- good manors... good bottom end power. SMALLER is BETTER in cams for the street.

Thanks Greg. Do you have a suggestion on lift/duration/lsa?

The lobe separation angle is confusing to me. Is a tighter angle better? Wider better? On a carb'd engine where do I draw the line?

[GregWeld]

I always have this conversation with the engine builder -- because the cam is the brain of the engine - but it has to work in harmony with all the other factors of the motor - compression (static) - head size - desire... i.e, torque or HP - and where do you want that. Power brakes or not... etc.

SO ---- LSA -- WIDE makes for smoother idle and better vacuum... NARROW - makes lumpy and low vacuum

Lift is about so many variables -- but "DEPENDS" -- valve to piston clearance.. rocker arm ratio... valve springs used - street daily driver - or a drag racer.

ME... I'm all about bottom end grunt and great drivability... so I like moderate lifts with moderate duration - and WIDE LSA.... Moderate allows the valve train to live... Moderate duration allows me to enjoy the car in todays traffic with the A/C running.... :D and the Wide LSA is good for my MAP sensor with EFI and 8 stacks...

Todays cam profiles allow a guy to tailor make / order a cam that can do it all....

So - really - the cam depends on compression - head size - and use... and that all needs to be PLANNED TOGETHER before the very first part is purchased. Then toss in the gear ratio - auto or stick - converter loose or tight... so plan a plan and then plan your plan with the man.... that's building the engine. And even if he's not assembling it -- he's built enough of 'em to be a good guide on the total combination.

[70rs]

Thanks again Greg. That sure gets me going in the right direction.
I have been reading a bit on cam selection and when the time comes to purchase one I will be better prepared.
I really appreciate the input. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Here ya go.... sweet dreams!


The THUMPER...



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[OLDFLM]

Cam recommendations and grinds are like... well you know... :rolleyes:

Decide what manners you REALLY want the car to have before you buy!
What are you REALLY going to do with the car 99% of the time?

Call the cam help lines, discuss with Greg and others who have more experience than both you and I, and then make your purchase. :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Thanks Ty,
I had a really good conversation via email with Greg yesterday about cam selections. I also found several really good articles online. Between Gregs help and the reading I am still doing I feel pretty good about choosing the right cam when the time comes.

Based on how I will use the car and what I really want out of my engine, the 268 from the XFI line at CompCams looks like a contender.
I'm still learning. I have a while before I need to buy a cam. In the mean time I am having fun reading and talking about it.

Thanks again to everyone for all of the advice, help and encouragement.

[tones2SS]

Great to see the updates Eric.:thumbsup:

[68400BIRD]

Kind of quiet over here:_paranoid Must be some top secret progress going on.:unibrow:

[70rs]

No, nothing top secret. Lol!
I have been getting my dads shop finished inside. At least enough to move the car into it. That should happen in the next two weeks if everything goes ok there.
I have also been gathering parts and tools, trying to get a workstation set up and generally getting organized for this. I hate getting half way into something only to realize I am missing a part, tool or materials for that specific project.
The motor is getting close to finished though.

Progress is still being made, just not much worth posting about.

Thanks for checking in.:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

I hate getting half way into something only to realize I am missing a part, tool or materials for that specific project.


Yeah, good luck w that E...:P

[70rs]

Yeah, good luck wthatE...:P

I know, it's hopeless. But at least it's fun to dream right?:lol:

[70rs]

Big thanks to Chad Fletcher for donating some much needed parts
Last night I went to get my mail and what do I find? A big box full of cool parts!
Chad sent me a type 2 power steering pump with a nice anodized DSE style bracket, a 140 amp alternator(very compact too. Should run the welder with that much power)
A nice ATI super damper that can be modified to run as a external balance type for my 383. And a high torque mini starter.
Chad even covered the shipping!

Thanks Chad! These will be put to good use and really help me with my project.

In other news, the car gets moved into my dads shop at the end of next week. We finally got things organized there and I have the space I need to tear the car apart.
The heads are done now and so is the block. I will be doing a mockup on the motor very soon.
Moving forward, slow but sure!

[waynieZ]

Nice Move Chad! :thumbsup: Glad to hear your moving ahead on the car.

[GregWeld]

Good to hear Eric!

[70rs]

Thanks guys. I'm seriously chomping at the bit to get this further along. It's almost painful that its been so slow. But slow is better than stopped any day in my book.

[tones2SS]

Very nice of Chad.
Good to hear that you are moving forward with the build Eric. Keep us posted buddy!:cheers:

[Lenie]

It's people like Chad that make this a spectacular site, good people. Sounds like it's coming together Eric, Good luck.

[70rs]

Slow but sure, slow but sure. I just made a deal on a great parts car. This covers ALL of my sheet metal/body needs except full rear quarters. Plus it has a much better rear end too. And with the scrap haul at the end it pays back a little bit too. Bonus!

[tones2SS]

Slow but sure, slow but sure. I just made a deal on a great parts car. This covers ALL of my sheet metal/body needs except full rear quarters. Plus it has a much better rear end too. And with the scrap haul at the end it pays back a little bit too. Bonus!

Now you're cooking with gas buddy.:thumbsup:

[70rs]

Now you're cooking with gas buddy.:thumbsup:

Lol! Thanks bud. I will be doing the camaro shuffle here at the end of the month. Hauling both cars to my dads shop and tearing both down.
I picked up more parts last weekend. Door glass, weather stripping, new gas tank, upper back seat. I have been finding some great local deals. Everything listed above was $100.00.
The tank and weather stripping are brand new. The tank was still in the box.

[68400BIRD]

Sounds like some great deals. I'm looking forward to seeing some progress. You know we all like pictures.:lol:

[bad.samaritan]

Sounds like your making some headway Eric! Post some PICS!!!!!!

[70rs]

I am hauling the bucket to the shop as I type this. Finally!!!!

Now to figure out how to get the pics from my phone to post.....:goofy:

[tones2SS]

I am hauling the bucket to the shop as I type this. Finally!!!!

Now to figure out how to get the pics from my phone to post.....:goofy:

About time!:_paranoid
Just kidding bud. Glad to hear Eric. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey E...
:ttiwop:

Haha...

[GregWeld]

I will vouch for Eric because he sent me text message showing "the project" on the trailer!

BTW!


HAPPY BIRTHDAY ERIC!

[Ron in SoCal]

Happy Birthday Bro! Hope you're having a great day...:cheers:

[70rs]

Thanks guys! 41, nothing major. More fat, less hair.......:lol:

I got the car unloaded in the shop without any drama. I have to run some errands in the morning then over to the shop and digging in. I have air tools, better jack stands and way more space. Deconstruct time. It's just a rolling shell now, it won't take much to blow it apart. I hope to have the rotisserie mounts modified and fit by Friday. And the body shell mounted over the weekend.

[Flash68]

Happy bday dude.... and keep pluggin away! :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Eric,you should call me about doing a RideTech 4-bar under the rear of your 2nd.gen.I think I can get a real nice system for just a few dollars more than the 2-link we'd had org. talked about.:thumbsup: Scott

[68400BIRD]

I will vouch for Eric because he sent me text message showing "the project" on the trailer!

BTW!


HAPPY BIRTHDAY ERIC!

Are you sure they were pictures of his car:D

[waynieZ]

Happy belated birthday Eric.

[70rs]

Eric,you should call me about doing a RideTech 4-bar under the rear of your 2nd.gen.I think I can get a real nice system for just a few dollars more than the 2-link we'd had org. talked about.:thumbsup: Scott

Sounds great! Lets plan on that . Thanks Scott! :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Are you sure they were pictures of his car:D

Actually it was just some random shots I found online.....lol!
Yeah, it was my bucket. Its safely tucked away at my dads. :D




Thanks again everyone for the b day wishes. It was a good day. I got to hang out with my dad and son and play with cars.


I set up a photobucket acct but can not seem to link it using my phone. Ill keep tryin, there are pictures from yesterday on it.

[ma73z]

Happy belated birthday Eric.

Yep what he said, now get your A$$ to work :lol:


:cheers: Matt

[70rs]

Yep what he said, now get your A$$ to work :lol:


:cheers: Matt

I'm on it man, heading out the door right now... :D

[tones2SS]

Happy Belated Birthday bud!:cheers:
(You share the same birthday as my brother and my buddy.)

[ma73z]

How's it going Eric? I'm just curious how your project is going, you had a chance to work on it?

:cheers: Matt

[Bucketlist2012]

Hey, i was just checking on your car..Any updates..

Looks like a Killer build..

[70rs]

No major updates at all. Be been working on stripping the body down and stocking up on parts and tools. I think I'm getting a welder next week so that will be a huge help.

[Ron in SoCal]

... I think I'm getting a welder next week so that will be a huge help.

E! :cheers: