Does anyone know how to make a cockpit adj sway bar work

[tyoneal]

Hello:

Does anyone know how to make a cockpit adjustable sway bar work on a 1st Gen Camaro (69) I would really like to put on in the car, but, but finding the right part source and people with the expertise is fairly difficult.

Any help appreciated.


Thanks,

Ty

[JRouche]

Hello:

Does anyone know how to make a cockpit adjustable sway bar work on a 1st Gen Camaro (69) I would really like to put on in the car, but, but finding the right part source and people with the expertise is fairly difficult.

Any help appreciated.


Thanks,

Ty

Parts.....
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_cat_id=217,212,363&action=category

http://www.genesisparts.com/index.cfm?tpc=Genesis_Cockpit_Adjustable_Sway_Bar_ Kits&form_prod_id=1_43&action=product

As for tech advice. I called GT and spoke with a tech guy. Very informative and was willing to take some time. Also called HRP and got a knowledgeable guy on the phone. Sorry, no personal experience from me though. JR

[tyoneal]

JR

Thanks for your input.

The products look really nice $$$$$, I'm just trying to find out how to make them work on my car. Would be nice to adjust on the fly.

I'll give them a shout and see what I can find out.

Thanks a lot for you help.

Best Regards,

Ty O'Neal

[Bryce]

one idea i had a while back....

currently how are most sway bars adjusted to change stiffness? the length of the arms are changed.

how about a linear actuator instead of the arm, this can be adjusted from the cockpit. it needs some fabrication and R&D to get the stability of the arms correct.

my idea directly changes the affectivness of the sway bar. the arms that rotate, change the force required to bend the arm. so the arms are bending as the sway bar starts to work.

[B_Alley]

That's a good idea. I'd like to try implementing something like that... the blade style, as shown above, has a real problem with consistency and linearity, but it does work as far as 'booger' and 'unbooger' wedge. We had servos that turn the blades to adjust from the steering wheel, but I like this method much better!

[tyoneal]

Your comments are interesting. Any chance you would give these a try?

Ty

[Bryce]

not on my falcon. I just dont think that car will be competive enough for something like that. But I have a project in mind that would be a great canidate for something over the top like that.

[exwestracer]

On the eastern supermodifieds, we use a hydraulic self-leveling system for the active top wing. Basically it's 2 small hydraulic cylinders plumbed in an X fashion. I've often wondered if a the same setup used as end links would work with a BIG bar. A flow control valve could be mounted inside the car. Fairly complex, yes... Just tossing the idea out there.

[tyoneal]

On the eastern supermodifieds, we use a hydraulic self-leveling system for the active top wing. Basically it's 2 small hydraulic cylinders plumbed in an X fashion. I've often wondered if a the same setup used as end links would work with a BIG bar. A flow control valve could be mounted inside the car. Fairly complex, yes... Just tossing the idea out there.

That sounds like some interesting technology. I'll see what I can find..

I'm really looking for ways to fine tune a car, "on the fly". You could then learn very quickly what influences what. Yes you can read about it all day long, but feeling by the seat of your pants from lap to lap should help you dial in:

1) After reading what makes the car do, or handle "this" or "that" way.

2) What type of characteristics you find most comfortable for your driving style.

3) For what Track time cost and your ability to get there and practice, having things very easily to adjust should maximize your learning curve. (Along with plenty of private lessons. Not necessarily in this order.

4) The less time you spend doing things the slow way, makes doing things the fast way a lot less expensive. I would bet if one could do a legitimate study, and had the funds to do so. Putting in these types of features would get everyone to their goal of being a respectable drive very quickly and possibly for less money.

Ty

[exwestracer]

That sounds like some interesting technology. I'll see what I can find..

I'm really looking for ways to fine tune a car, "on the fly". You could then learn very quickly what influences what. Yes you can read about it all day long, but feeling by the seat of your pants from lap to lap should help you dial in:

1) After reading what makes the car do, or handle "this" or "that" way.

2) What type of characteristics you find most comfortable for your driving style.

3) For what Track time cost and your ability to get there and practice, having things very easily to adjust should maximize your learning curve. (Along with plenty of private lessons. Not necessarily in this order.

4) The less time you spend doing things the slow way, makes doing things the fast way a lot less expensive. I would bet if one could do a legitimate study, and had the funds to do so. Putting in these types of features would get everyone to their goal of being a respectable drive very quickly and possibly for less money.

Ty

If you combine the adj. bars with remote adj. shocks, you should be able to dial yourself out rather quickly...:lol:

Of course the results might be skewed by the weight of the "riding mechanic" you'd need to twist all the knobs for you.

Over the years, I've been involved in a lot of testing, and a big part of it is talking to the driver during downtime for changes to the setup. Too many laps and on-board changes, and drivers tend to forget what they did and how it really affected the car. Just my $.02...

[tyoneal]

If you combine the adj. bars with remote adj. shocks, you should be able to dial yourself out rather quickly...:lol:

Of course the results might be skewed by the weight of the "riding mechanic" you'd need to twist all the knobs for you.

Over the years, I've been involved in a lot of testing, and a big part of it is talking to the driver during downtime for changes to the setup. Too many laps and on-board changes, and drivers tend to forget what they did and how it really affected the car. Just my $.02...
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Being that it is overly difficult to physically get down and make the changes, having the ability to do it easily is the only way, at this time, I'd be able to do it.

I was thinking of having an instructor in the car with me to help get it dialed in then pretty much leaving it alone unless conditions required it.

Ty