What I don't understand is,...

[tones2SS]

if Obama and Congress passed this "stimulus" package back in February or whenever it was, where are these jobs and small businesses that are supposed to be helped out??
I still see people losing jobs and jobs are not easy to come by neither. They were in such a rush to push it through, but I don't see any results.
Does anyone agree here or am I just a pissed off person blowing off some steam?? lol:wow:

[XLexusTech]

One of the thing I am seeing is the perception of an abundance of available talent this is contributing to people loosing jobs.
The idea is that hey lets turn over some staff an take advantage of the "under employed" and available work force out there.

[elitecustombody]

thanks for reminding me:rolleyes:

[Vegas69]

I'm definitely seeing the results personally. In a couple of ways. But my career is Real Estate and the tax credit has really helped the first time buyers get off the fence. The home owner stability act is really helping some folks stay in their homes as well. As young as you are tone, I would really consider going to where the grass is greener if things aren't working out where you're living.

[Spiffav8]

I'm definitely seeing the results personally. In a couple of ways. But my career is Real Estate and the tax credit has really helped the first time buyers get off the fence. The home owner stability act is really helping some folks stay in their homes as well. As young as you are tone, I would really consider going to where the grass is greener if things aren't working out where you're living.

Need an assistant?

Aviation is crazy in a bad way. Very few jobs to be had. Outrageous demands on qualifications and working conditions for very little compensation. There are a few US carriers accepting resumes, but most are not hiring. Corporate flying is way down to. NetJets who has been very stable is looking at layoffs as is UPS. Just read that globally aviation is expected to be down 7.5 percent this year. Not the kind of news I care for.

But on a positive note....my chances of being in town for SEMA are looking good! :thumbsup:

[70rs]

I have not seen any real positive changes in Washington yet. In the blue collar arena around here the jobs are really hard to find and most are down on wages if you can get one.
I have been in the cabinetry business for most of my life. As a fabricator and installer. The last few years as a project manager. Many of the local smaller shops are going under. A few of the large shops that ship nationwide are also going under. The timber industries here are taking a brutal beating. Mills shutting down all over the place.
The help they promised has not shown up here yet. But if you ask our elected
"friends" at the capitol, they say it's fantastic and everyone is just fine.

As for the housing market Todd, I have a few friends in real estate and that has improved a little. But only just a LITTLE. Still, it's a positive move in the market.

[mazspeed]

I not only see positive things happening, but I see it picking up in my sector. I see stock markets not crashing. I see world markets easing. I see the possible end to this mini depression. Bad things will still happen for a while, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel. Some may not for a few years, but the market as a whole is no longer crashing. Things have stabilized a bit. These things take time. The damage done by the Bush administration was too great to see change in 100 days. Give the new administration a chance. If you're a republican or democrat, it doesn't matter, we all have to find a way to make positive change happen. I do grow tired of assholes like Rush Limbaugh who don’t know their ass from a hand basket wishing people would fail.

[ProTouring442]

if Obama and Congress passed this "stimulus" package back in February or whenever it was, where are these jobs and small businesses that are supposed to be helped out??
I still see people losing jobs and jobs are not easy to come by neither. They were in such a rush to push it through, but I don't see any results.
Does anyone agree here or am I just a pissed off person blowing off some steam?? lol:wow:

It's really pretty simple... trickle up economics does not now, nor has it ever, worked.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[tones2SS]

Yeah, it's kinda tough around here and everywhere I guess.
I guess it's just hard to believe that the greatest country, the U.S.A., has gone to this level. It's kind of upsetting and maddening.
I know things will pick up eventually.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[J-440]

Just be thankful that you don't live in California. Those idiots are cutting funding to everything and raising taxes without solving the real problem...wasteful spending by officials and frees sh$t for every illegal and jackoff that doesn't want to work. Way to go Ahnold.

[tones2SS]

Just be thankful that you don't live in California. Those idiots are cutting funding to everything and raising taxes without solving the real problem...wasteful spending by officials and frees sh$t for every illegal and jackoff that doesn't want to work. Way to go Ahnold.

Yeah, they are in some seriously deep trouble.
I guess my point in posting this thread is, I haven't seen one thing in my area that this "stimulus" package is supposed to be helping. People are still losing their jobs. Just the other day, I went to the dentist's office and it was a ghost town. I asked the secretary, whose husband owns the practice, about business and she told me she haven't seen it this bad in 22 years!!
She stated that people are just getting the "minimum" amount of work done or what little dental coverage will cover. She also said that they had a condo in Florida and it was pretty bad there as well. The shops on the strip are closed, restaurants are closed. She said there are 20 story high rises with maybe three quarters of them being COMPLETELY EMPTY!! I know things will turn around, they always do. But, didn't this "stimulus" package get passed by congress over 3 months ago with "shovel ready" projects?? Yeah,.. right!!!:rolleyes: :rofl:
Ok, I'm done ranting. Thanks for listening guys/gals.:lateral: :cheers:

[gearheads78]

They didn't even read the stimulous package bill.....

As for the problems with California the people in our government want to expand similar programs to the rest or our country. We all need to wake up now before its too late.

Yeah, they are in some seriously deep trouble.
I guess my point in posting this thread is, I haven't seen one thing in my area that this "stimulus" package is supposed to be helping. People are still losing their jobs. Just the other day, I went to the dentist's office and it was a ghost town. I asked the secretary, whose husband owns the practice, about business and she told me she haven't seen it this bad in 22 years!!
She stated that people are just getting the "minimum" amount of work done or what little dental coverage will cover. She also said that they had a condo in Florida and it was pretty bad there as well. The shops on the strip are closed, restaurants are closed. She said there are 20 story high rises with maybe three quarters of them being COMPLETELY EMPTY!! I know things will turn around, they always do. But, didn't this "stimulus" package get passed by congress over 3 months ago with "shovel ready" projects?? Yeah,.. right!!!:rolleyes: :rofl:
Ok, I'm done ranting. Thanks for listening guys/gals.:lateral: :cheers:

[tones2SS]

They didn't even read the stimulous package bill.....

As for the problems with California the people in our government want to expand similar programs to the rest or our country. We all need to wake up now before its too late.

I agree brother!!!:thumbsup:

[70rs]

At some point it will all turn around. But, in the mean time alot of people are still sinking more and more each month. My concern is how bad will it get before those people see the benefits of the stimulus package? I know it takes time and I am willing to give the current admin. a chance.
I got hurt last year at work just before everything in my line of work crashed. Now I am trying to get into school. They are full and programs are getting cut while tuition goes up. So I don't see that light at the end of the tunnel yet. I know it's there, it's just a really dark tunnel right now.
:cheers:

[WILWAXU]

No matter what changes are made, it will rebound. The problem I see is the wrong people getting credit for something that would have happened without their input.

[Beegs]

The damage done by the Bush administration was too great to see change in 100 days. Give the new administration a chance. If you're a republican or democrat, it doesn't matter, we all have to find a way to make positive change happen. I do grow tired of assholes like Rush Limbaugh who don’t know their ass from a hand basket wishing people would fail.

^^^The reason why political debate is frowned upon on forums and why this thread should be tossed.

[Aschle]

The government needs a serious makeover ! I am not going to slam anyones party, but we all have to admit, this doesn't look good (unless your a politition)... The govt. has too much control, plain and simple... I wish the best interest of the people were # 1 concern, we wouldn't be in this situation right now...

[MattO]

Its good to see something good coming from the new administration. I, more than anyone was skeptical after the election last year (ok, I was out right furious) but I have the give them a chance to fail, just like everyone else, and so far, I like what I see.

My problem with the new administration is that if the idea isn't a good one, its REALLY REALLY bad and those seem to be the ones that they are hell-bent on getting running.


Also, don't get me started on California...

[WSSix]

It's really pretty simple... trickle up economics does not now, nor has it ever, worked.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

You know, I was about to look like an ass. I typed out a nice response to your reply Bill because I read it wrong. I was ripping you a new one and the whole time, you said the exact opposite of what I thought you said. Funny how one little word can do that. Carry on.

As for the stimulus plan. It was nothing but a giant pork barrel bill. There was no real stimulus in it. They were just spending money to spend it. Reports have also been released shortly after it passed detailing the details. Which as mentioned is something that the politicians didn't even learn for themselves before voting on the bill. The details show that the stimulus money wasn't even to be spent until later in this year and early next year. FDR already proved that public works projects and spending your way out of a recession does not work. Yet here we are again trying it all over in hopes that it works this time.

The economy will rebound because it is stronger than the government. Unless a complete take over and full socialization is put into effect. The long term problems caused by O's forced involvement will be devastating and put us further behind the rest of the world in terms of manufacturing, product development, and free enterprise. We were already behind because of utterly dumb tax policies and favoritism to select groups of people/corporations. He and the law makers in Congress show no signs of changing these asinine policies. Talk of increasing corporate taxes just means, you, the consumer will pay more for a good. No business pays taxes. Taxes are collected and factored into the cost of the good/service being sold. There is even talk of a VAT(value added tax). This is an even more ridiculous corporate tax that again will be paid by you and me. It's all about power. These people care not for you and me. If they did, they would lower taxes to stimulate the economy. Every time this has occurred, here and around the world(anyone notice what Ireland has done), it has worked. Every time taxes are increased, things slow down and yet Dems still won't learn.

If you live in Mass, Michigan, or Ohio, you need to get out now. Michigan has failed and is not going to recover anytime soon. Years of Democratic control has destroyed that state and rotted it from the inside out. Mass and Ohio are heading that way too. Mass especially as they continue to tax the piss out of people. Don't bother moving the Maryland either. They are one of the least free states in the country and have some of the highest taxes. My suggestion is to move to a state that has no state income tax laws. Or laws that do not target the "rich" who some how don't pay their "fair share" even though they fund the overwhelming majority of government.

Obama and the Dems are a joke and I have no faith anything they do will work because of them and their actions. Socialism has never worked in the past and it never will work in the future. Think it's bad now, just wait til they destroy health care in this country.

[tones2SS]

I didn't mean to start a political fight between the Dems & Repubs nor do I want to.
I just wanted to know if anyone has seen some progress in this "stimulus" package? It got passed back in February and it now mid June. I've seen no help from it so far. I know it was A LOT of money that we're talking about, but still, where's the results? People are still losing jobs, never mind their homes and vehicles. (Although there is a slow down in job losses weekly, the number is still great!):_paranoid :(
Ok. I'm done bitching!! lol:willy:

[ADCTD2CRNRS]

Ok I can't help myself I have to say it.

nvrmnd nothing good to say

[Vegas69]

There is no way an economy or society can continue to grow forever. How is the next generation going to afford a house or start a business? This recession gives all the young folks a chance to make some wise investments, open a business, and afford a new home at historically low rates. There are always two ways to look at everything. Attitude is everything, no matter how hard that may be.

[GregWeld]

if Obama and Congress passed this "stimulus" package back in February or whenever it was, where are these jobs and small businesses that are supposed to be helped out??
I still see people losing jobs and jobs are not easy to come by neither. They were in such a rush to push it through, but I don't see any results.
Does anyone agree here or am I just a pissed off person blowing off some steam?? lol:wow:



So here's what you'll NEVER KNOW -- what it would be today had they NOT PASSED the package.

We're in uncharted waters. This is a very different recession than what we've all be through in the past. The 80/81 recession was HIGH interest rates and high inflation - but you knew what you were up against and could move to combat the business decline etc. This time around - I don't think "we" really know what to do. In 80/81 I could still sell inventory. I could still borrow money. I'm no longer in business and have been retired for many years now (thanks honey!) but I doubt anyone would be lending me money against inventory/receivables now... and selling ANYTHING these days - you'd better be willing to take a huge haircut.

That isn't OBAMAS fault... not sure who's fault it is... or how to fix it... I think it will mostly just take some time for everyone to adjust to the new reality. Best be in a position to not have to borrow. That's a better way to live anyway. :theresa:

[GregWeld]

There is no way an economy or society can continue to grow forever. How is the next generation going to afford a house or start a business? This recession gives all the young folks a chance to make some wise investments, open a business, and afford a new home at historically low rates. There are always two ways to look at everything. Attitude is everything, no matter how hard that may be.


Good attitude! And I keep reminding people that even if you have 15% unemployment - you still have 85% of the people WORKING... Do we focus on the 'bad' number - or get busy selling something to the 'good' number of people.

Look at Apples results yesterday -- SALES ARE UP.... Profit is UP... so the key is have something people want. If you're a home builder... or carpenter... I'm sorry for you - but the overbuilding was evident to everyone but the banks and builders. It had to end.

I also agree with the commenter about our tax situation. I'm so F'n sick of supporting illegals - welfare (white / black I don't care!) - and freeloaders of the 'system'. Our government wasn't supposed to be about 'entitlements' -- it's supposed to build roads - schools - and DEFENSIVE military (whatever that entails)... but that's all changed now - because EVERYBODY gets to live large now!

EEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Used to be a song about "money for nothin' and your chicks for free". :rofl:

[tones2SS]

So here's what you'll NEVER KNOW -- what it would be today had they NOT PASSED the package.

We're in uncharted waters. This is a very different recession than what we've all be through in the past. The 80/81 recession was HIGH interest rates and high inflation - but you knew what you were up against and could move to combat the business decline etc. This time around - I don't think "we" really know what to do. In 80/81 I could still sell inventory. I could still borrow money. I'm no longer in business and have been retired for many years now (thanks honey!) but I doubt anyone would be lending me money against inventory/receivables now... and selling ANYTHING these days - you'd better be willing to take a huge haircut.

That isn't OBAMAS fault... not sure who's fault it is... or how to fix it... I think it will mostly just take some time for everyone to adjust to the new reality. Best be in a position to not have to borrow. That's a better way to live anyway. :theresa:

I totally agree Greg. TOTALLY!!:cheers:
I know it is tough get a loan or get a mortgage going. And that this is a very "different" kind of recession than that of the past. I guess I'm just anxious to get back to work and "be useful" again!! lol:rofl:
(I know this is not Obama's fault as well. I am not blaming anyone.)

[Scotch]

We're about to see it here. The Feds gave the money to the states, and it's up to them to spend it. They have to figure out how and where to do that.

Here, in our little town, they were going to charge a bunch of local businesses to build a frontage road along the highway. Here's the story:

Property Owners Won’t be Assessed for Frontage Road
by Dan Ruud
The Belle Plaine City Council Monday night unanimously approved a resolution officially supporting the 2009 South Frontage Road/Enterprise Drive extension project.
A portion of the language in the resolution states that the affected property/business owners shall not be assessed for the 2009 South Frontage Road/Enterprise Drive extension project in light of the city’s recent $2 million award of American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) funding for the project, often referred to as stimulus funds. The resolution adds that the city shall proceed with the state bidding requirements for the start of work this fall or early winter with an anticipated completion time of October 2010.
According to City Administrator David Murphy, property owners will not have to pay for any share of the project, which was also the case when the North Frontage Road project was constructed. That project was also partially state funded. Murphy added that the total estimated cost of the South Frontage Road project is a little over $3 million. What the ARRA funds won’t cover will be paid for by the city. All right-of-way for the road was donated by property owners and the Minnesota Department of Transportation.



So, we're definitely going to see results here, but it'll take some time to get everything rolling.

[Scotch]

Just saw this in the local paper:
Minnesota will get more than $11 million in stimulus money to hire 53 police officers.

The grants announced today will fund the officers' salaries for three years. Each police department will then have to pay the officers for a fourth year.

St. Paul will get money for 28 officers and Minneapolis 13.



It seems the money took time to be distributed, but it IS being distributed and used for projects (like the roads) and to hire more cops. These things take time when the Govt (both federal and state) are involved.

[tones2SS]

Just saw this in the local paper:
Minnesota will get more than $11 million in stimulus money to hire 53 police officers.

The grants announced today will fund the officers' salaries for three years. Each police department will then have to pay the officers for a fourth year.

St. Paul will get money for 28 officers and Minneapolis 13.



It seems the money took time to be distributed, but it IS being distributed and used for projects (like the roads) and to hire more cops. These things take time when the Govt (both federal and state) are involved.

Very true it takes time. Good to hear the money is "getting out there"!!:cheers:

[novanutcase]

Just saw this in the local paper:
Minnesota will get more than $11 million in stimulus money to hire 53 police officers.

The grants announced today will fund the officers' salaries for three years. Each police department will then have to pay the officers for a fourth year.

St. Paul will get money for 28 officers and Minneapolis 13.



It seems the money took time to be distributed, but it IS being distributed and used for projects (like the roads) and to hire more cops. These things take time when the Govt (both federal and state) are involved.

Hmmmmm.....maybe with my "ninja" moves I can become a cop!!! LOL!!!

John

[Vegas69]

Very true it takes time. Good to hear the money is "getting out there"!!:cheers:

The printing press only goes so fast...:rofl:

[J-440]

So after the 3rd year, the taxpayers will have to foot the bill of these newly hired cops. Ok, so where is the next 11 million going to come from? Higher taxes or more taxpayer bailout money? Wait a minute, I just repeated myself by saying higher taxes and bailout money...it's coming from the same source isn't it? It's kind of like doing cocaine. I work harder and longer hours so I can buy more cocaine. Cocaine is expensive which is why I have to work harder and longer hours. When will the cycle end?

[tones2SS]

The printing press only goes so fast...:rofl:

I should know!! I got laid off from a print shop!!! lol:rofl: :cheers:

[BlkBird]

What I dont understand is...how people expected the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost over the last...oh...8 years (myself included) to magically come back within 9 months of Obama's administration. Too many doomsayers on Fox news if you ask me, yeah things suck bad but they are also turning around. Slowly, sometimes painfully slowly. But still, its been 9 friggin months. If some people would stop watching Glen Beck for a minute and look around they'd realize the guy is atleast trying. I find if funny how many people would say "he's the President, questioning him is un-American" can do it now that THEY dont agree with the President (another fun thing about Fox). Tell ya what, give him 4 years and if you...or atleast the bulk of the country dont think he did a good job we'll kick him out. :thumbsup:

[mazspeed]

^^^The reason why political debate is frowned upon on forums and why this thread should be tossed.

It was not a political debate. It was a stated fact.

[mazspeed]

Just be thankful that you don't live in California. Those idiots are cutting funding to everything and raising taxes without solving the real problem...wasteful spending by officials and frees sh$t for every illegal and jackoff that doesn't want to work. Way to go Ahnold.

Yeah the extra sales tax pisses me off, and I'm curious if it will hurt the economy here.

[tones2SS]

Yeah the extra sales tax pisses me off, and I'm curious if it will hurt the economy here.

I'm sure it will a little. Like it will a little in Massachusetts.:mad:

[Beegs]

It was not a political debate. It was a stated fact.

LMAO....yeh....you showed no bias at all with your "fact"...:rofl:

[70rs]

LMAO....yeh....you showed no bias at all with your "fact"...:rofl:

This is the "off topic forum", and we all have opinions. And with the economy in it's current state, jobs being lost, homes being lost...we all can get a little more enthusiastic about stating those opinions.

Maybe politics are frowned upon, but open discussion and sharing of those opinions is not.:cheers: