BMR's new Watts Link for 1st Gen Camaro

[chr2002ca]

Anybody have any opinions on BMR's new Watts Link for the 1st Gen Camaro? It's installation is photo-documented fairly well by www.superchevy.com here:

http://www.superchevy.com/technical/chassis/suspension_steering/sucp_0905_first_gen_camaro_watts_link_torque_arm_i nstall/index.html

As is normal with a lot of TV shows and magazine articles, they left me puzzled with part of the implementation. They mention the following:

"The first order of business was to get the exhaust system out of the way. The tailpipe on the exhaust will need to be modified so it doesn't interfere with the Watt's link."

Well, they never ended up 'modifying the tailpipes' in the article, and I'm guessing there's a good reason for that. I'm looking at the final install photos:

http://www.superchevy.com/technical/chassis/suspension_steering/sucp_0905_first_gen_camaro_watts_link_torque_arm_i nstall/rear_control_arm_install.html

Anybody have any ideas how you're suppose to route tailpipes through that? It's interesting that in their final notes about 'all that's left to do after the install' that they don't bother to mention putting the tail pipes back on.

-Chris
http://www.lateral-g.net/members/robinson/

[mazspeed]

It doesn't look all that good. It might work well, but it looks awful

[chr2002ca]

Agreed. It's a bit of a mess under there. Maybe because it's red and it really stands out. If they did a black powder-coat, it might not look so bad.

[XcYZ]

Maybe I missed it... but how do you set pinion angle with that setup?

[Musclerodz]

Maybe I missed it... but how do you set pinion angle with that setup?I am guessing by the way the torque arm bolts the the third member that girdle is adjustable via shims in the 4 bolt attach points. Only way it could be adjustable.

[Rybar]

I'd like to see how tail pipes are routed, and I'm sure if you ordered it in black would look 100x better

[BMR Sales]

Agreed. It's a bit of a mess under there. Maybe because it's red and it really stands out. If they did a black powder-coat, it might not look so bad.

This product is available in black hammertone or red. The black hammertone is a textured powdercoat and it closely resembles a graphite color. It is different than a gloss black. BMR Fabrication is the only suspension company that offers this color. You can see some examples of BMR product in the black hammertone color at our website www.bmrfabrication.com

We shoot all of our magazine articles with red product. The black hammertone parts blend in with the undercarriage too much and then it's very difficult to see any detail.

[Bowtieracing]

Really intresting new product. A lot less work than with other Watt link systems.

[BMR Sales]

Anybody have any opinions on BMR's new Watts Link for the 1st Gen Camaro? It's installation is photo-documented fairly well by www.superchevy.com here:

http://www.superchevy.com/technical/chassis/suspension_steering/sucp_0905_first_gen_camaro_watts_link_torque_arm_i nstall/index.html

As is normal with a lot of TV shows and magazine articles, they left me puzzled with part of the implementation. They mention the following:

"The first order of business was to get the exhaust system out of the way. The tailpipe on the exhaust will need to be modified so it doesn't interfere with the Watt's link."

Well, they never ended up 'modifying the tailpipes' in the article, and I'm guessing there's a good reason for that. I'm looking at the final install photos:

http://www.superchevy.com/technical/chassis/suspension_steering/sucp_0905_first_gen_camaro_watts_link_torque_arm_i nstall/rear_control_arm_install.html

Anybody have any ideas how you're suppose to route tailpipes through that? It's interesting that in their final notes about 'all that's left to do after the install' that they don't bother to mention putting the tail pipes back on.

-Chris
http://www.lateral-g.net/members/robinson/

Routing the tailpipes is the biggest problem with our design. You need to build a custom exhaust since no exhaust manufacturer currently makes a tailpipe that will fit.

It's possible to get a dual 3" exhaust through there. We installed 2-1/2" exhaust on our shop car and there was enough room for 3" pipes.

[BMR Sales]

Maybe I missed it... but how do you set pinion angle with that setup?

The 12-bolt version of our Torque Arm Suspension has a jack screw between the torque arm and rear axle housing. The pinion angle can be adjusted either way with the turn of a wrench.:thumbsup:

[chr2002ca]

Wow, so you were able to get tailpipes through there. Excellent. Any chance you have some photos of that? How much vertical travel is possible in the rear axle before it bumps a tailpipe? I've been researching panhard rods/Watts link setups and your implementation is definitely intriguing.

[holschen]

price?? available??
possible to buy without rearend??

[D Rock]

price?? available??
possible to buy without rearend??


:yes: I want to know also

[BMR Sales]

BMR Fabrication is not a sponsor yet on Lateral-g, so I don't want to post prices out of respect for the other sponsors. Feel free to call Lee at 813-986-9302 for pricing and tech questions. Also, the May issue of Chevy High Performance has a 2 page spread (pp 64-65) in their new products section that contains tech info and pricing on the 2 different versions.

We will start accepting orders on March 30th. I would expect the product to be ready to ship by April 13th.

The Torque Arm Suspension (TAC002) for a 9" Ford differential includes a rear axle housing. There are brackets and plates that get welded to the housing. BMR welds these components to the housing, so it makes sense to include the housing with the kit. It is a Strange housing with a backbrace, fill plug, and drain plug. It can be ordered in any width.

The Torque Arm Suspension (TAC001) for a 12-bolt GM differential does not include the rear axle housing. The kit includes a thick plate that mounts between the differential and the diff cover. There is no welding required. The stock GM differential can be used with this suspension kit.

[Neki67]

Wow, so you were able to get tailpipes through there. Excellent. Any chance you have some photos of that? How much vertical travel is possible in the rear axle before it bumps a tailpipe?

Would also really like to see some pictures of that!

[Datsbad]

G Force Design/ Brooks Performance is one of your dealers and we are big fans of your products. They are always well engineered and very high quality .
I have been watching this set up and we have a customer that might be going this way .
Keep up the good work .

[rocketman]

I have used BMR products on 4th Gen Camaros for years all there stuff is top notch I'm sure this is no different.

[SS1156]

BMR Fabrication is not a sponsor yet on Lateral-g, so I don't want to post prices out of respect for the other sponsors. Feel free to call Lee at 813-986-9302 for pricing and tech questions. Also, the May issue of Chevy High Performance has a 2 page spread (pp 64-65) in their new products section that contains tech info and pricing on the 2 different versions.

We will start accepting orders on March 30th. I would expect the product to be ready to ship by April 13th.

The Torque Arm Suspension (TAC002) for a 9" Ford differential includes a rear axle housing. There are brackets and plates that get welded to the housing. BMR welds these components to the housing, so it makes sense to include the housing with the kit. It is a Strange housing with a backbrace, fill plug, and drain plug. It can be ordered in any width.

The Torque Arm Suspension (TAC001) for a 12-bolt GM differential does not include the rear axle housing. The kit includes a thick plate that mounts between the differential and the diff cover. There is no welding required. The stock GM differential can be used with this suspension kit.

Is this Lee? If so it's Mayo with the red 96 SS. I just recently got a 70 Camaro and was wondering if you guys are gonna do something for the 2nd Gens?

[XLexusTech]

Is their a version for a gen1 camaro with a Nine Inch rear?

[holschen]

BMR Fabrication is not a sponsor yet on Lateral-g, so I don't want to post prices out of respect for the other sponsors. Feel free to call Lee at 813-986-9302 for pricing and tech questions. Also, the May issue of Chevy High Performance has a 2 page spread (pp 64-65) in their new products section that contains tech info and pricing on the 2 different versions.

We will start accepting orders on March 30th. I would expect the product to be ready to ship by April 13th.

The Torque Arm Suspension (TAC002) for a 9" Ford differential includes a rear axle housing. There are brackets and plates that get welded to the housing. BMR welds these components to the housing, so it makes sense to include the housing with the kit. It is a Strange housing with a backbrace, fill plug, and drain plug. It can be ordered in any width.

The Torque Arm Suspension (TAC001) for a 12-bolt GM differential does not include the rear axle housing. The kit includes a thick plate that mounts between the differential and the diff cover. There is no welding required. The stock GM differential can be used with this suspension kit.


the brackets for the 12bolt to fit a 8,2" 10bolt rear??

[BMR Sales]

Is this Lee? If so it's Mayo with the red 96 SS. I just recently got a 70 Camaro and was wondering if you guys are gonna do something for the 2nd Gens?


Lee is BMR Tech. This is Al.

Yes, we are going to do something for the 2nd Gens. The design is just about done. We are designing the Transmission Conversion Crossmembers right now.

We are using a '70 Camaro for the design. Send Lee some pics of your 2nd Gen and we'll put them in our image database.

[BMR Sales]

Is their a version for a gen1 camaro with a Nine Inch rear?

Yes, part number TAS002. Here is a link with details and pricing:

http://www.bmrfabrication.com/f1/f1ta.html

[BMR Sales]

the brackets for the 12bolt to fit a 8,2" 10bolt rear??

Not necessary. We are finalizing the design for the 8.2" 10-bolt right now (part number TAS003).

[jdpepper]

Do you have any track results yet? Preferrably straight line 1/4 mile stuff?

[holschen]

how much modding is involwed for this to work with a minitub
or is it no modding whatever to get it to work,can´t realy tell from the pictures???
can u put this behind a l92 6l90e trans
can u make a 6l90e crossmember...?

[holschen]

is this ready to ship??
do u sell complete 9inch rears with this suspension?

[BMR Tech]

is this ready to ship??
do u sell complete 9inch rears with this suspension?

Yes, we are shipping kits as we speak. We are one of Strange's larger distributors and can ship anything from a bare 9" housing with the torque arm kit to a complete rearend with brakes. If this interests you please contact us for all of the various options (posi units, gear ratios, brakes, etc.) and pricing.

As for your question about the compatibility with mini-tubs, our shock cross-member fits fine. Our main test car has mini-tubs with 335/30R20" tires and there were no issues with this setup.