Kids MX Bike's Banned

[jonny51]

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[ironworks]

Wow that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. There goes people who don't ride legislating those that do. Stupid. There is big difference between a small toy a child could put in their mouth and lead on a dirt bike. Come on people.

[jcal87]

that's ridiculous

[camcojb]

so far only seems to directly affect quads and bikes at 50cc or under, as it's targeted at kids under 12. However, several places are now putting disclaimer stickers on the 50+ cc up to 110cc as not suitable for kids under 12. There seems to be some confusion on the exact cutoff size, as that video seems to say everything 110cc and under.

Pretty stupid law. It was aimed at childrens toys from China (that's a good thing) but was written so broadly that the quads and small dirt bikes got lumped in also. As it stands they cannot be sold, cannot sell parts for them, and the lawmakers expect the dealers to destroy all of them that fit in this category (like that won't put many of them under). No buy-back, nothing, so sorry............... :rolleyes:

Jody

[98ssnova]

Can SEMA do anything about this?

[Vegas69]

The goverment is doing a piss poor job tieing there shoes. Folks can decide whether they want to chance there kid riding an ATV or Motorcycle. If they are dumb enough to let them do it without a helmet, so be it. We don't need anymore laws, it's a waste of time. Let's concentrate on the real issues.:willy:

[98ssnova]

The goverment is doing a piss poor job tieing there shoes. Folks can decide whether they want to chance there kid riding an ATV or Motorcycle. If they are dumb enough to let them do it without a helmet, so be it. We don't need anymore laws, it's a waste of time. Let's concentrate on the real issues.:willy:

Wow agreed Todd but when is the goverment gonna ther **** strait and start working for the people

[Vegas69]

Never

[98ssnova]

HAHA true that

[Spiffav8]

Lord forbid if kids get outside and have fun. This is due to a bunch of tree hugging hippies having their way.

[ProTouring442]

This law will shut down a LOT of domestic manufacture. Here is a quote from an article in World Magazine;

"But Wilson plans to shut down her company's physical sales on Jan. 31. The reason? It's not because the homeschooling mother of eight can't find time to manage a business, but because of a sweeping consumer safety law Congress passed last year. The law requires lead testing for almost every substance in products marketed to children 12 and under—and that includes the paper and ink in Wilson's books and the fabric, needles, and buttons in her sewing kits. For every new batch of books or sewing kits she stores in her garage, Wilson would have to pay $1,500 to $4,000 for lead testing. She can't afford it."

and a link to some other very good articles on the topic; http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_b6/products-laws-children.html

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[almcbri]

This is the biggest bunch of bullcrap. My brother owns a motorcycle shop that primarily sells pit bikes, scooters and quads. He sells more bikes than any other shop carrying his line in the country. Although most of his buyers are over 12, he still has some riders that are below the age of 12. I know he has been worried about this issue. All of us were exposed to a lot more growing up and we are still here. When it comes to terms of safety, we could address larger issues than something like this. This is also driving up the cost for anyone involved in this sport and is directly affecting the kids.

[XcYZ]

And the pussification of America continues.

What a bunch of ****. I have zero faith in the Legislative and the Executive branches of our government. It's not about working with or for their constituents, it's about how much money they can line their pockets with and still get re-elected.

[jonny51]

And the pussification of America continues.

What a bunch of ****. I have zero faith in the Legislative and the Executive branches of our government.


Well said!

[ProdigyCustoms]

Well, this is the second time they have done this horse ****. In 1987 I bought my then 3 year old boys (my 2 oldest) 50CC Yamaha Zingers (4 wheelers). The next year they were banned. I paid $800 each and 6 years later sold them for $1000 each because they could not be bought anywhere. So I made money.

But as a former motocross racer that rode bikes at 5 Y/O and raced until I had kids, and raised 3 kids that rode since 3 Y/O, it's good clean LOL fun. Motocross kids are usually good straight kids.

Pure unadulterated BULL****!

[Aschle]

Please, to all that do not agree on this issue, let your voice be heard !!! You all make some good points, let's make those points to those that need to hear them!

I can assure you, a Toyota Prius has more "lead" in it than a childs motorcycle! They might as well ban them as well....

Our government is a freakin' joke !

Jason

[awr68]

I can't believe this! I started riding at a very young age and loved it...and I turned out basically OK! My son (4 yrs old) has a battery ran 4 wheeler right now and loves it...it's only a matter of time that he would want the real deal!

[camcojb]

I remember reading about a law that would affect used clothing sales like from Thrift stores. I'll bet it was this same law. In order to sell them they have to be tested, which would be cost prohibitive for a normal retail store. Many were not accepting donations anymore as they would not be able to do anything with them, at least as far as childrens clothing. And those who can't afford new clothes were pretty upset that they wouldn't be able to afford clothes for their kids.

Good intentioned law gone bad, poorly written in my opinion.

Jody

[novanutcase]

I remember reading about a law that would affect used clothing sales like from Thrift stores. I'll bet it was this same law. In order to sell them they have to be tested, which would be cost prohibitive for a normal retail store. Many were not accepting donations anymore as they would not be able to do anything with them, at least as far as childrens clothing. And those who can't afford new clothes were pretty upset that they wouldn't be able to afford clothes for their kids.

Good intentioned law gone bad, poorly written in my opinion.

Jody

As bad as the economy is for the clothing industry along with everything being manufactured overseas this law has effectively sounded the death knell for any more childrens clothing manufacturing here in the states. I have 3 friends that have kids lines that will shut down because they can't afford the testing. The big manufacturers will either get around it by having their overseas manufacturers pay for the testing or ante up and get their stuff tested but they can afford to do it.

The manufacturing base of the United States is dying a slow death!:(

John

[Fluid Power]

Guys,

If you took the time to respond to this, take minute and find your senator here:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Drop them an email regarding the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) and your disapproval. Don't fill out any bogus names or contact info. Just voice your concern.

As a former motorcrosser and a proud father who just bought his boy a CRF 50, this is bull****.

It takes a minute and can make a difference

Darren

[CRCRFT78]

This is F***** UP. I was planning on getting my 6yr old daughter one to start riding. F***ING GOVERNMENT SUCKS!

[skooli]

There's a ton of channels for signing petitions to fix this mess. Just go to transworldmx.com or racerxill.com and they have links to follow. Also if you google "Let Kids Ride", hundreds of links will pop up.

My kid WILL have a new PW 50 on his next birthday. I've been looking forward to sharing motocross with my kids my entire adult life. We'll beat this.:thumbsup:

[almcbri]

There is an update on this that came out a few days ago. All inventory and bikes can be put back on the floors for 1 year.

All these manufacturers are going to have to rethink the ppm of lead contained, because they are going to place restrictions. At least they are not cutting it off for good. The more research and studies involved the higher the cost to the general public.

[JETSET700]

It's much better for america's kids to stay in the house playing on video games based on death & violence & destruction causing them to get fat, become a diabetic in their teens and later become a burden to society.

Anyone remember the "Presidents Plan for Physical Fitness" in the 70's.
All the students had to do the calesthenics for time etc. Now many schools
don't even have PE at all. "I don't want my child to go through the humiliation that I did" It's the American coalition of uncoordinated goobers
picked last for the team" Where is Lou Dobbs?

Peter

[jonny51]

There is an update on this that came out a few days ago. All inventory and bikes can be put back on the floors for 1 year.

All these manufacturers are going to have to rethink the ppm of lead contained, because they are going to place restrictions. At least they are not cutting it off for good. The more research and studies involved the higher the cost to the general public.

Really,I can't find any info about the bikes being back on the floor?Also if you look on thier websites the bikes are gone."Yamaha's site even says "temporarily not for sale"Where did you get this info?

[almcbri]

My brother got an email forwarded from his manufacturer stating that it had been lifted for 1 year. I will see if he can shoot me the actual letter.

[jonny51]

Still not lifted.......this is a great video.....

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/Vital-MX-Perspective-Malcolm-Smiths-Protest,3672/Slideshow,17458/GuyB,64

[awr68]

Good vid Jon! It's certainly a BS deal! Keep us informed!!

[jonny51]

http://www.cpsc.gov/pr/moore041609.pdf


STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE THOMAS H. MOORE
ON THE PETITION FOR TEMPORARY FINAL RULE
TO EXCLUDE A CLASS OF MATERIALS UNDER SECTION 101(b) OF
THE CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY IMPROVEMENT ACT OF 2008 (CPSIA)
April 16, 2009
I am aware of the speculation that has surrounded my vote on this issue. My staff has spent the
time since the ballot came to the Commission working on what I believe is a good solution for the riders
of youth motorized recreational vehicles, building and expanding upon the initial position taken by
Acting Chairman Nord. The direction my colleague and I are giving to the staff today balances the
Congressional desire to protect children from unnecessary contact with leaded components in these
vehicles with the need to protect those same children from the potential for physical injury related to
riding inappropriate adult-sized vehicles, or riding vehicles either in need of repair or less structurally
sound than the ones currently on the market.
It is clear from the post-enactment statements of some Members of Congress who were
Conferees on the CPSIA that they believe the Commission has the authority to make sensible
allowances for these vehicles as long as child safety is not compromised. Given the extremely
restrictive language of the law, the only avenue I can see is for the Commission to establish an
enforcement plan that follows, to the greatest extent possible, the Act’s intention for future production,
while providing relief to the industry and the riding community for vehicles already manufactured and
those manufactured during the stay. There are compelling safety arguments that justify a stay of
enforcement.
It is ironic that I am defending vehicles that I consider to be dangerous for children under 12 to
ride and which contain accessible parts with excess levels of lead. However, the alternatives appear to
be more dangerous. American parents seem to be willing to accept the risk for their children riding
these vehicles, so it is the agency’s task, at this stage, to ensure that the vehicles are as safe as possible.
One safety rule the agency has stressed is keeping children off of adult-sized ATVs.1 To the extent that
new children’s ATVs cannot currently meet the lead limits in the CPSIA, there is the likelihood that
parents seeking new vehicles will buy adult-sized ATVs for their children to use. We have also been
notified by one ATV manufacturer that they are simply relabeling their Y-6+ and Y-10+ youth ATVs as
Y-12+, removing the speed limiting device and continuing to sell them. Thus the vehicles that are more
accurately sized for younger children will be less safe because of their ability to attain higher speeds.
1 Most of my discussion is focused on the ATV industry as they present the greatest (lead and non-lead) safety challenges.
However, the enforcement program will also apply to children’s off-road motorcycles and snowmobiles.
Page 2
The other part of the safety equation that helps balance an enforcement plan against the increased
lead exposure it allows, is based on the assertions that certain vehicle components cannot be made with
lead below a certain level without compromising the structural integrity (or another safety element) of
the component. The enforcement plan of the Commission must require concrete data from the
manufacturers on this point to justify their continued use of lead in excess of the applicable lead limit.
The industry has pointed to the European Union’s RoHS and ELV Directives as a guide for what
lead reductions or substitutions may be technologically infeasible for their youth vehicles. While we
might not need to allow the high lead limits allowed in those Directives for all components, there is
guidance to be taken in how the European system is administered. They set an expiration date for their
exemptions. Prior to that expiration date it is up to industry to come in and make their case that it is still
technologically infeasible to reduce lead to a level at which an exemption is no longer required. The
evidence considered is strictly limited to technological feasibility, not on the higher cost of a viable
substitute. The guiding principle for this agency’s determinations has to be the safety of the children
riding these vehicles.
I believe a stay of enforcement issued by the Commission should:
--relieve all makers, sellers, and distributors of youth motorized recreational
vehicles made to date and through the expiration date of the stay from enforcement
actions for failure to meet the lead limits of the CPSIA;
--allow those vehicles to be repaired, sold, traded, and otherwise used as they
have been;
--allow the sale, distribution and installation of replacement parts that are
comparable in lead levels to the old part being replaced until such time as those parts can
be brought into compliance;
--expect industry to bring their vehicle components into compliance on a
reasonable schedule, to the extent that is technologically feasible, and to provide us with
the detailed information we need to make informed decisions about those components in
the future.
The Commission simply cannot ignore the safety tradeoffs that could arise by not providing this
relief but it must also work with industry to bring the non-complying components of these youth
vehicles as close to the lead limits established by law as is currently technologically feasible, to the
extent those parts cannot be made inaccessible. The Commission also needs to let the riding community
know that they can continue to use the vehicles they own as they always have.
I believe the approach taken today by myself and Acting Chairman Nord of directing the staff to
draft a Federal Register notice containing concrete elements of a stay is the reasonable approach that the
Congress is looking for us to take. I anticipate that the Commission will vote to approve it in the near
future.

[WILWAXU]

I started riding ATC's at ~8-10 yrs old. I got to see the the hysteria cause by the media in that industry. I still to this day will not watch an episode of 20/20.

Anyway to get a list of all the representatives that voted for the original bill?

Might be time for a letter writing campaign.

[comp-spec]

Bull****
Raised my daughter on 4 wheelers. She took it all the to racing my YFZ 450 at Southwick motocross track.....Best days of my life.

[frankenstang]

In the entire history of off-road vehicles for kids, has ONE ever been hurt by the amount of LEAD in the the machine?

And THEY wondered why so many Americans were throwing 'tea parties' last week. Politicians are out of control.

I am glad the pressure from US has at least shown them the light.

[skooli]

Any updates on this situation? I can't seem to find any thing to say whether or not this ridiculous law is going away. Now they're saying that they're not going to change the rule because riding ATVs is inherently dangerous. Just like stick and ball sports. We better hurry up and outlaw those for kids under twelve before something horrible happens.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Just had a good evening riding with the kids...My HONDA 650 RINCON,Son has a HONDA 50..Daughter has a Honda quad..We all made it back to house just fine...Screw the people that want to take that away from us.Riding young will make better drivers on the streets later,... IMO