Ring Brothers has the looks, but performance?

[ja.stoner63]

Visit our Ring Brothers 70' Mustang project.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=18865

[michael6372]

Well, they have built the street machine of the year 2 years in a row. IIRC The Razor Camaro was one of the best cars in the autocross races at the Goodguys events. In my opinion, yes, they are all that. They build the highest quality cars and are not afraid to beat the hell out of them. Just my .02. I am sure more people with more knowledge than me will chime in.:thumbsup:

[Swain]

Are you stoned :_paranoid

[JamesJ]

Razor used all DSE stuff so they do the look and let DSE do the performance....

[jeff hanson]

Are you stoned :_paranoid

:rofl: :rofl: 2ND THAT!

[Steve1968LS2]

:rofl: :rofl: 2ND THAT!


When ya gonna let us shoot your darn car???

[class67]

That's a helluva first post!

Go do some homework before you post something like this again:goofy:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

How funny, as I sit here reading this, Mike Ring calls to see what's up(we are friends since Reactor build).I told him about this thread and he laughed.Check out there website and look at the Mustang getting a beating,I know the owner, and he has put it thru test.There cars can get with the program.

[tellyv]

like Carlos Mencia would say dee da dee!!!!!!

[DOOM]

Should'nt even be replied with a answer ''WE SPEAK BUT WE NO NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING'':_paranoid

[Vegas69]

Even if it didn't:unibrow:

[WSSix]

Honest question I'd say. It was only what last year that they actually made the Street Machine of the Year cars move under their own power more than just getting from the trailer to the staging area. Until then, it was anyone's guess as to if the cars performed or not typically. Cut the guy some slack, not everyone reads internet chat rooms daily

[James OLC]

Heck of a first post but everyone has to start somewhere...

Are they really all that? You bet they are - and then some.

Their styling right now is cutting edge. The cars are built to actually be driven - if you look around you'll find clips of Razor as well as the last couple of mustangs being driven - hard.

I thought the coolest part of move out at SEMA last fall was when Tyler (in his black '68) and I (behind him in the OLC) were sitting next to the Ring brothers in Razor in rush hour 'Vegas traffic. Traffic sucked and we were just idling away... just three first gens trying to get far away from the convention center.

Most importantly though - I think - is that they are 100% approachable. At shows, on the phone, almost anywhere. I called Jim yesterday to ask him how he had done something on the '69 and he was really accomodating. I was fortunate to have been able to talk to Jim and Mike on several occasions while I was building the '67 - I don't think that many other pro builders would take time out of their day to help a nobody a half a world away.

Top notch builders and first rate people.

[camcojb]

Honest question I'd say. It was only what last year that they actually made the Street Machine of the Year cars move under their own power more than just getting from the trailer to the staging area. Until then, it was anyone's guess as to if the cars performed or not typically. Cut the guy some slack, not everyone reads internet chat rooms daily

true. Thing is, he cared enough about this to post the question inside the Ring Bros thread, and then post a duplicate as a new thread. Sounds like he has an ax to grind................. ;)

To answer your question, yes the Ring Bros cars are both beautiful and functional. I've seen several of their cars being beat on in real life, so they are definitely driven and seem to hold their own.

Jody

[WSSix]

true. Thing is, he cared enough about this to post the question inside the Ring Bros thread, and then post a duplicate as a new thread. Sounds like he has an ax to grind................. ;)


Jody


hmmmmmmm interesting. I had no idea he had a reply along these same lines in another thread.

[ProdigyCustoms]

They actually had the best autocross time of the SMOY cars

[jeff hanson]

When ya gonna let us shoot your darn car???

I'm ready. I called Nick about three weeks ago to see if we could work something out while it was over in the Grand Rapids Autorama, but he didn't have anyone in the area to shoot it. The weather has been horrible here, so it might have to wait a little while...call me anytime:thumbsup:

[jeff hanson]

They actually had the best autocross time of the SMOY cars

I had him beat except for barely nicking one cone, doh!!!:lol: I should have kept going that afternoon to go for the top spot but my dad's heart couldn't take watching me beat the crap out of it anymore!:unibrow:

[buickfunnycar.com]

I am not a Ford fan by any stretch and even I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with that '69-'70 Mustang they're working on...:yes: :woot: :hail: :cheers:

[Ummgawa]

Hi all, I’ve been reading up on the Ring Brothers… are they really all that? I’m meaning the cars look sweet and all but does anyone know how they perform in real time? Any idea’s out there?
Thanks JA :captain:

Dude, you seriously picked the wrong topic for a first post. You are not serious. They flog the piss out of every thing they build. We are in hat rack land here.

[Blake Foster]

i would say YES to the original Damn i sat in that traffic TOO where were you guys. the trans am never got over 180deg but traffic SUCKED.

[notorious1970]

ring bros are great people. They build great cars that look nice and drive very well.. hands down! :bow:

[Steve Chryssos]

Honest question I'd say. It was only what last year that they actually made the Street Machine of the Year cars move under their own power more than just getting from the trailer to the staging area. Until then, it was anyone's guess as to if the cars performed or not typically. Cut the guy some slack, not everyone reads internet chat rooms daily

True. Sort of. SMOY is not the end all litmus test by any stretch. What does it take to prove that these cars work? So much effort has been applied to verifying the available technology and the cars. It's a long list. And there's photo. video, and data showing these cars--Ring Brothers and all--being used in EVERY environment from street to track. The list of tracks and events includes:
Road Atlanta
Pocono
Laguna Seca
Goodguys auto-X
Run Thru the Hills
Buttonwillow
Road America
Primedia Fontana tests
Power Tour
Optima Challenge
Chassis Dyno results
In the heat
In the rain

What more does anyone need?

[XcYZ]

I think it's a legitimate question - but when it's the first post by a new user, the motive is a bit suspicious.

When Rings win SMOY two years running, it's going to attract a lot of attention and a lot of questions.

I think the most important thing to realize is that Razor was built for a customer. It's what the customer wanted. It's what the customer paid for. Raking a business over the coals because they produced something their customer wanted just doesn't make any sense to me. If a customer walked into Ring Brothers and wanted, say, a car to compete in the Open class at the Silver State Classic, I know they could build it.

[Ringbrothers]

I am not a Ford fan by any stretch and even I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with that '69-'70 Mustang they're working on...:yes: :woot: :hail: :cheers:

Take it EASY on this guy - we are building the 70 for him!
Alex we love you.
Staci

[Ringbrothers]

I just want to thank everyone for the positive feedback on the Ringbrothers. It is very much appreciated.
We are building the 70 for the guy that posted this thread. He is the greatest customer. No harm meant!
Thank again,
Staci

[clill]

Ha !!!!!! Now get back to work.....

[Ringbrothers]

Are you stoned :_paranoid

Maybe a Stoner?

[V8TV]

I guess I can think of no better way to reinforce your decision to hire the Rings than this thread... it's nice to see complete strangers willing to go to the mat for them. It's a special kind of shop that wins that kind of loyalty.

[DOOM]

Duped Again :D

[abadsvt]

WOW didn't see that one coming!:lol:

[Steve1968LS2]

I just want to thank everyone for the positive feedback on the Ringbrothers. It is very much appreciated.
We are building the 70 for the guy that posted this thread. He is the greatest customer. No harm meant!
Thank again,
Staci

A 70 what? If it's a Camaro then we so need to chat :)

[Steve Chryssos]

Bomb diffused.....But the unfounded criticism keeps coming up every once in a while. So it might be a good idea to start a thread called: g-Machines in Action. A thread dedicated to images, videos, and numbers from auto-x, road course, touring events. Case in point--This photo shows 110 mph on a banked turn in the POURING rain.
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/media/POC1007-10.jpg


What more does anyone need to see? A Dukes of Hazzard jump? Entry in the Rolex 24? The question will come up again--next time for real. We can point them to the action thread.

[Ringbrothers]

Bomb diffused.....But the unfounded criticism keeps coming up every once in a while. So it might be a good idea to start a thread called: g-Machines in Action. A thread dedicated to images, videos, and numbers from auto-x, road course, touring events. Case in point--This photo shows 110 mph on a banked turn in the POURING rain.



What more does anyone need to see? A Dukes of Hazzard jump? Entry in the Rolex 24? The question will come up again--next time for real. We can point them to the action thread.

The question was real - I think he knew what we can do as far as looks but wanted to make sure we could deliver performance. I was just telling people to not be too hard on him - he was just checking things out.
Staci

[907rs]

I think that's a great idea Steve; go for it! I'm sure there are plenty of guys that would participate. :thumbsup:

[syborg tt]

Hi all, I’ve been reading up on the Ring Brothers… are they really all that? I’m meaning the cars look sweet and all but does anyone know how they perform in real time? Any idea’s out there?
Thanks JA :captain:


Okay since no one has Welcomed you to the Board

Let me be the first.

Welcome to the BB and we look forward to you posting update on your car.

[Ringbrothers]

A 70 what? If it's a Camaro then we so need to chat :)

It's a 70 Mustang:) Maybe a Camaro in the fututre.

[ja.stoner63]

Wow nice reply from some. And yes I'm a stoner. Ha ha . I'm just having fun with you. Ring Brothers is building my 70 Stang. I'm pumped. Thanks again. JA

[tellyv]

thats a good way to make an intro!!!

[Jr]

Bomb diffused.....But the unfounded criticism keeps coming up every once in a while. So it might be a good idea to start a thread called: g-Machines in Action. A thread dedicated to images, videos, and numbers from auto-x, road course, touring events. Case in point--This photo shows 110 mph on a banked turn in the POURING rain.
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/media/POC1007-10.jpg




Looks like the picture was photoshopped. J/K

Nice to see a classic being beat up on the track in the rain. You da man, steveoo.

[jonny51]

Bomb diffused.....But the unfounded criticism keeps coming up every once in a while. So it might be a good idea to start a thread called: g-Machines in Action. A thread dedicated to images, videos, and numbers from auto-x, road course, touring events. Case in point--This photo shows 110 mph on a banked turn in the POURING rain.
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/media/POC1007-10.jpg


What more does anyone need to see? A Dukes of Hazzard jump? Entry in the Rolex 24? The question will come up again--next time for real. We can point them to the action thread.

Yes I need to see you clear a 120ft triple jump.....it is okay to do it in the dirt.

[buickfunnycar.com]

I am not a Ford fan by any stretch and even I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with that '69-'70 Mustang they're working on...:yes: :woot: :hail: :cheers:

LOL...quoting myself...do I win anything for being 1/2 right?:wow:

That'll be one cool 1970 Mustang...!

[Steve Chryssos]

Wow nice reply from some. And yes I'm a stoner. Ha ha . I'm just having fun with you. Ring Brothers is building my 70 Stang. I'm pumped. Thanks again. JA

Welcome to the party then.

JA,
As a customer, it's best to answer your initial question with a question--sorry. Here goes: What are your performance goals for the car? Many customers enter the process with vague and or unrealistic performance goals. "I want it to handle like it's on rails" is not a well defined goal. Pick a benchmark OE performance vehicle for comparison. Be sure to pick benchmark vehicle that matches your budget. Or if you have technical experience, set specific parameters.
Then--ask the Ring Brothers if they can meet those expectations. The Ring Brothers are professionals. They will confirm and/or help you refine your goals.
Hopefully your goals EXCEED their capabilities. That might sound weird, but every good builder SEEKS challenge, if budget exists. Good builders strive to make their next build to be better than the last. For example, Rad Rides is surely better off for tackling the Blowfish land speed project. Experience gained from that race car trickles down to future cars.
Same holds true for the Ring Brothers. All of their cars are nice, but you can plainly see a progression from older builds.

Clearly define your goals. If they commit, then it all boils down their track record for professionalism.

[ja.stoner63]

Well here goes! You all have been great and then some of you and you know who you are like to bite before you bark. Ha ha

The question was honest since when you’re building a car to this level, you’re always wanting the best for your buck and imagination.

It all Started about a Year ago with my 66 Fastback. Jayne & I wanted to have a sweet car built but we’re so new to it all. We got honeymooned into this local shop that said all the right things.

After 6 Months & 100k including car, parts, & labor we realized all but a little late that we were being taken down the garden path of despair.

Now I’m not a fool, don’t let my name fool ya. Ha ha. I did research and even more research, but when we saw the work was not up to the standards we agreed to and the time it was taking we needed to act and act fast.

We discussed our options, and jokingly I said “Wouldn’t it be cool to call Ring Brothers and see if they could take on our project?” Now I have been following their work over the past Years with amazement. Of course, never thinking we would ever build a car to that level.

Jim Ring of Ring Brothers answered the phone. Wow, very nice guy & he seemed truly excited to take on the project.

So in short & within a week the car was removed parts & all from the local shop and delivered to Wisconsin all the way from Arizona.

I was not expecting this call, since being so fired up that Ring Brothers were going to help make our dreams become reality.

First, Staci emailed me and said the 66 arrived and all is not good, Jim will call you. What in the world could be wrong?

Jim & Mike called us with news that hit us in the face with a 50 pound sledge hammer.

The car had been destroyed by the last shop and it would take more money to repair than it would to just buy another car and start fresh.

Wow, can you feel it? I still do. I talked to my buddy that hauled the car there in his race trailer. Leroy said it was true! ****!

So we talked with the guys looking for options. Leroy brought the car back to AZ.

Little history- My first car was a 67 Fastback my Grama bought new & gifted to me at 16. Within 6 Months I had 5 speeding tickets and license was revoked…oh yea I like speed so I joined the AF and worked on Fighter Aircraft for over 20 Years.

We all have stories about the car we should have kept, mines no different.

We always wanted a 65/66 & 69/70 era Mustang. So when the guys at Ring Brothers said they had a 70’ there that has not been touched it all started to take shape.

So we purchased it and the rest will be a very interesting journey.

As for performance I have driven BMW’s for 22 Years. So handling has to be solid. I drive M5’s with V10’s 500 HP all the time so power had to be a no brainier. But looks, now that is were the Mustang comes in and Ring Brothers. We want it all and yes there is a budget.

So Ring Brothers is building our dream car that will be a show stopper and a driver. I know now from all your input this is the path we were meant to be on. It has been a long journey & expensive.

As for the 66 we still have it and it will become my Weekend true track car, one that I can take all my frustrations out in from a busy life & awful interstate traffic.

We all know Ring Brothers can take three in a row! But, will it be the 70 Stang? Can it be taken to that level and keep within a budget? Time will tell.

I can say how ever it turns out, Jayne & I could not be happier with Ring Brothers.

JA

[mazspeed]

I hope you're going after the other shop for destroying your car.

[buickfunnycar.com]

So Ring Brothers is building our dream car that will be a show stopper and a driver...

No truer words were ever spoken...:yes:

Well...hold on for the ride and be sure to update us,this car should be spectacular!:hail:

[War]

JA,
Just read this thread, brilliant. You went fishing and caught some big ones.
Congrats on your new build and sorry about your old one but in the end you will be much better off. The Ring Brother are super nice guys.

Oh and welcome to the site.

Jason

[monza]

Wow what an entrance, nice work!! lol:willy:
Keep us posted on the build, start a new thread. Congrads on your future build!

[comp-spec]

Ring Bros....... Enuff Said!!!!

[Ummgawa]

Ring Bros....... Enuff Said!!!!


What he said and welcome!! Now that you have hooked us, pictures are required.:thumbsup:

[Huxsol81]

3 posts and kickin AS$

Welcome and good luck!

[notorious1970]

Jim & Mike called us with news that hit us in the face with a 50 pound sledge hammer.

The car had been destroyed by the last shop and it would take more money to repair than it would to just buy another car and start fresh.

sounds like our start with the nova. Had to buy two cars to get one.

We want it all and yes there is a budget.
Scary words my friend! Wait until you dive into it...these cars suck you in!
hehe :lol:

[CNDbowtie]

id love to get a look at this 100K 66 Stang that was ruined..any pics?

p.s what the suspension plans for the 70 Stang? similar setup to Reactor? airride or coil-overs?

[Steve1968LS2]

I think that's a great idea Steve; go for it! I'm sure there are plenty of guys that would participate. :thumbsup:

I'm all in...

[ja.stoner63]

Here are a few pictures- http://picasaweb.google.com/ja.stoner63/70Mustang?feat=directlink


Not sure if you can view them please let me know.

As for a few questions asked;

Yea I have over 800 pictures of the flub up on the 66. I will just keep my tail between my legs on that one. :rolleyes:

Jayne & I are looking to have a World class Mustang; I hope to have the helmet on for track days as well. She is a little shaken on that claim. :_paranoid

We have ordered the Roush Engine, and wow will it be cool.

Front suspension has been tricky. I might have them worried on the demands I will put on the car. Kidding of course! I'll update you when I can.

The Rear wheels just arrived. We can't wait to see them wrapped in rubber and on the car.

Reactor & Razor will be a tough act to follow. :bow:

Thanks again for all the kind words & the praise towards Ring Brothers.

JA

[clill]

Now dangle a round of golf at a nice Arizona course and watch for a Ring brother to jump on your hook.....

[youthpastor]

What he said and welcome!! Now that you have hooked us, pictures are required.:thumbsup:

yep i love to watch these builds..please post with updates

[CNDbowtie]

thanks for the pics JA...well it looks like your getting a full frame..lucky guy...looks like a big step up from the Reactors unibody and subframe connectors

So what size Roush motor? what size wheels?

[buickfunnycar.com]

Should be bitching,we sell the Roush motors and man,there's a gaggle of 'em!:yes:

[ja.stoner63]

Thanks,

The Roush 427 should be in the range of 560 HP. :thumbsup:

Wheels 19x12 Rear, still working out the fronts :thumbsup:

Lots awork ahead. :wow:

JA

[Bowtieracing]

Thanks,

The Roush 427 should be in the range of 560 HP. :thumbsup:

Wheels 19x12 Rear, still working out the fronts :thumbsup:

Lots awork ahead. :wow:

JA


Wellcome JA !

You are a lucky to have guys like Ringbros to build your car. I think there is no match for them when it comes to building modern innovative protouring car :bow:

Btw did you read the small print when signing in here..Its a mandatory to post pics of your build :thumbsup:

[XcYZ]

The Roush 427 should be in the range of 560 HP.

And it's a dry sump. :thumbsup:

[ja.stoner63]

Scott, your secret is out. :unibrow:

Don't be spying on my project. I'll bring my guard dogs down there. ha ha



Yes it will be a Dry Oil Sump...and looking into the new JME Suspension. :lateral:

http://picasaweb.google.com/ja.stoner63/70Mustang?feat=directlink
Pictures

JA

[awr68]

Nice progress so far!! Thanks for the pics! :thumbsup:

[ja.stoner63]

Please let me know if you can't view the pictures...I will post more as the Stang comes to life.

Thanks Ring Brothers Team for everything!!!:cheers:

[XcYZ]

Please let me know if you can't view the pictures...I will post more as the Stang comes to life.

Thanks Ring Brothers Team for everything!!!:cheers:


Looks like a great start.

I think you should start a new thread in the Project Updates section so you can keep us posted as it moves along. :thumbsup:

[GHOSTDANCER]

I had been skipping this thread after reading the first page when first posted, then came back to find all this. TOO FUNNY :lol: :lol: :lol: :cheers:

Welcome to :lateral:

[fleet]

How about dropping in the upcoming the new Boss 6.2 DOHC Ford?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Boss_engine

Ford could use the positive press and might be receptive to such an application.

[CNDbowtie]

Yes it will be a Dry Oil Sump...and looking into the new JME Suspension. :lateral:
JA

JME? if your talking about that billet aluminum front end with the bizarre shock location then i give you the :thumbsup:

[ja.stoner63]

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=18865

Above is the link to follow our progress.

Thanks for all your input and keep it coming. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: