most radical second gen :)

[WSSix]

Yes, John's post made me post this one as well. I own a 79TA and have thought how great it would look if it would sit even lower. DSE's 71 camaro looks great as does DE Jr's but they can both go lower. The YO Bandit looks great but can also go lower. So does anyone out there have any pics or a worked second gen that sits as low as some of these first gens? If someone wants to do a chop that's fine. A real car would just be cooler though.

I'm thinking the biggest limiting factor for getting a 2nd gen even lower than what has been done are the wheel wells. There's not a lot of room to move a wheel up from what I can tell. I'm no metal fabricator though.

Thanks

[XcYZ]

Speaking of late 2nd Gen Camaros.... what was that body kit... like around '80.... was it Motion deal? Iroc? Anyone know what I'm talking about? :_paranoid lol

[Roger M]

How bout this one?
http://www.priceofhistoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/vw-based-camaro-kit-car-1.jpg

[WSSix]

Scott, there were a few actually. Herb Adam's did the Fire Ams and a Camaro equivalent. They had whale tail spoilers as an options and I believe the camaro could be had with a body kit. There was also the Mecham TAs also known as Macho TAs. It wouldn't surprise me if Motion had one too. It was the 70s. Body kits where about as numerous as aftermarket Ttop companies, lol.

[XcYZ]

Trey, I did some digging. It was the 81 Yenko Turbo Z that I was thinking of. I think it's pretty cool.

http://www.yenko.net/reunion/sr2-gh.JPG

[awr68]

I think it's pretty cool.

http://www.yenko.net/reunion/sr2-gh.JPG


Well yeah....it's RED....;) :lol:

[1984 camaro]

In 1980 GM had the ultra z Wich was a turbo car. I always liked that car

[clill]

my old 1980 Motion Phase 3 car

[rogue]

most radical?

f-bomb of course :D

[COYBILT]

F-bomb and 2ndgenracers 73 transam pro touring/ drag car. AKA Splitter
The transam gets my vote hands down for versatility.

[71RS/SS396]

how about Jessie Greening's car ? I saw it at sema , beautiful in person

[tones2SS]

my old 1980 Motion Phase 3 car

WOW!!!:wow:
Nice car clill. How many of those were built?
Did you sell it?

[WSSix]

I've never seen those before Scott. They did look pretty good.

Charley, do you have any more info on your Motion car? Not bad at all. I wonder though, were the Motion cars and Yenkos based on the same body kit or what?

I had forgotten about splitter. I need to look at that one again as I believe it still has leafs in the back with a Watts link. I'm fearful that my ideas require a four link in the back in order for the car to sit low enough. While that would be nice, I'm poor and don't see that changing anytime soon.

Thanks guys. Keep em coming.

[Bowtieracing]

most radical?

f-bomb of course :D

At least based on braking power...:lol:


I think the real most radical is just about to come alive;

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=12427

[clill]

They only did one 1980 Motion. The guy brought his car in and spent 27K at Motion. A friend in Canada has it now.

[redfire69]

I've got a pic of a 78 can-am somewhere...

[ironworks]

They may not be the most radical, but the dale JR and jesse greening camaro are it for me.

I was not to fond of the 2nd gens until I saw the dale jr camaro.

Rodger

[thedude327]

DSE's 1970 test car is it for me. Not exactly the most radical, but practical and looks like a blast to drive !!!
Is Kyle on this site, I need to ask him for a test drive........lol. Probably not gonna happen though. Now getting back on track, the full chassis Swartz and the F-bomb are two impressive rides.The year one bandits and any Motion built Second gen would be contenders too, but maybe it just hasn't been built..........yet !!

Paul

[zbugger]

I dunno. I kinda like this one.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/141/album_carlisle_2007/4688185119340/tn_full_17521590591.jpg

[markss28]

How bout this one?
http://www.priceofhistoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/vw-based-camaro-kit-car-1.jpg

Dude that is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. But I want it.:unibrow:

[ParkerRS]

I'm working on one right now, see project Fool's Gold in the projects section.

The limiting factor when getting low is the outer rear wheel wells. There is only about an inch give or take a 1/4 between it and the outside skin (qaurter panel). You can't move it enough for an appreciable difference considering the amount of work. In my opinion swelling or reworking the qaurter in this area will ruin the smooth lines of the car.

You can get lower than the DSE car or Dale jr. car but only with smaller section width tires and wheels. To get into the deeper part of the wheelwell and sit the car down further your wheel/tire combo would have to be about 2.5-3 inches inside of the wheel opening lip.

I experimented with how low I could take the LD 3-link when notching my frame rails. The suspension wasn't the limiting factor the outer wheelwells lock you into a certain stance while still retaining useable travel.

[WSSix]

Oh I've seen yours Tommy. I'm on muscle rides and pt.com I love it. I figured the rear wheel wells were a problem. Thank you for the insight as that's the first place I was going to go to see about gaining some room.

[Neil B]

My vote goes to Mark Gile's '78 Camaro:

http://picasaweb.google.com/fabricatorxx/CamaroCover#5276458018338232866

[DB Z28]

I would have to agree with Neil B thats Marks Giles 78 camaro is just bad ass

[silverz28]

:ttiwop:
I think for overall performance and custom fabrication Detroit Speed and Engeneering's second gen takes it.
http://www.detroitspeed.com/images/Projects/dse1970/dse-70-camaro-104L.jpg
A close second would be Dale Jr's Camaro.
http://www.detroitspeed.com/images/Projects/DALEJR/dalejr-449L.jpg

[silverz28]

The F-Bomb
http://img4.image.hotrod.com/f/9238273/hrdp_0703_101_z+project_f_bomb_chassis_build+1973_ chevrolet_camaro_project_car.jpg

[silverz28]

There is also the greening auto company Camaro.
http://www.seawayvalleyperformance.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_0177.jpg

[WSSix]

hmmmm that picture of the DSE test car has it sitting lower than I thought. Considering my rear wheel wells are bigger than a camaros, I should be able to put my TA that low no problems. Question is can I do it with leaf springs in the rear? Anyone know the answer to that? Actually, can my front suspension even go that low without using their subframe?

To answer my own questions though, I think Giles car is the most radical. That article calling it NASCAR touring is a really good way to sum it up.

[Cread01]

I think silver summed it up right there. I would also add Splitter to the list.

If I had to name the baddest of the bad it would probably be the DSE test car for me. I love the almost stock look under the hood and the subtlety of the car.

[zbugger]

I think for overall performance and custom fabrication Detroit Speed and Engeneering's second gen takes it.


Dale Jr's Camaro is more fabricated and modified than Kyle's car. And if you REALLY want to go for that standard, Mark Giles car absolutely takes it. I know because I sat in it.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7568/dscf0914sc6.jpg

Here's a couple more shots too.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4500/dscf0912ma4.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9120/dscf0911bo3.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8633/dscf0915mx2.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2091/dscf0910au9.jpg

The work on this car is insane. I wish I had a better camera and was able to take more shots of it. And it's awesome how it burns your eyes when you're cruising behind him.

[silverz28]

Mark Giles' car is sweet, for me it just looks too much like a race car. Tubular chassis, fabricated aluminium dash, full roll cage.

I still rather the DSE Camaro.

It's just my taste in cars, I like performance in a stock looking car. JMHO

Totally not putting Giles Camaro down.

[tones2SS]

Mark Giles' car is sweet, for me it just looks too much like a race car. Tubular chassis, fabricated aluminium dash, full roll cage.

I still rather the DSE Camaro.

It's just my taste in cars, I like performance in a stock looking car. JMHO

Totally not putting Giles Camaro.

I agree with you 100%. I want a car to look like a car, not a race car, but with all the performance.:hail:
Not knocking Mark Giles car, it's just my taste. He does have some nice fab work there.:thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

I dunno. I kinda like this one.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/141/album_carlisle_2007/4688185119340/tn_full_17521590591.jpg

Does anybody know whose car this is and are there any specs/more pics of it?
THANKS!!:lateral:

[Cread01]

^^^

I am pretty sure that is 67Lemanster on nasty z28.com Not sure if he is on here or not.

[thedude327]

It's just my taste in cars, I like performance in a stock looking car. JMHO



Agreed......... DSE's 1970 test car ,while appearing mostly stock, outperforms the stock setup and still looks like a 1970 'Maro. Best of all worlds !!

Paul

[thedude327]

Does anybody know whose car this is and are there any specs/more pics of it?
THANKS!!:lateral:

That Camaro belongs to Tommy over at NastyZ28.com. He's a good guy !!
If you PM him, I'm sure he'd be glad to talk about his cars specs.

Paul

[comp-spec]

Coming Up ... Orange Krate

[tones2SS]

That Camaro belongs to Tommy over at NastyZ28.com. He's a good guy !!
If you PM him, I'm sure he'd be glad to talk about his cars specs.

Paul

Thanks for the info!!!:cheers:
I can't wait to see what Pete & crew do with Orange Krate as well!!!

[silverz28]

I saw this Camaro in one of the car mags... It's sweet looking. He called it Driftwood
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2229/2116124330_12c993bcdb_b.jpg

[WSSix]

got any side shots showing the tribal graphics, silver? Good looking car I'd say.

[silverz28]

I wish, It's hard to find good pics of magazine feature cars on the internet.

Guess I'll just have to scan the magazine:rolleyes:

[Blake Foster]

here's another look at the TA
not the MOST radical but

[syborg tt]

Radical - Not - but darn is this car cool

Ebay Item number: 300289833156 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-1979-Camaro-Pro-Touring-383-FI-5spd-Baer-Mecham-Macho-Z_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1308Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1 Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem30 0289833156QQitemZ300289833156QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTruc ks)

[WSSix]

I like how he left the paint original eventhough it was falling apart.

Blake, is that ride height? I could live with that for sure. If so, could it be replicated without bags? I'm worried about front lower controls being on the bump stops and the rear wheels coming up into the wells.

Thanks

[skatinjay27]

Radical - Not - but darn is this car cool

Ebay Item number: 300289833156 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-1979-Camaro-Pro-Touring-383-FI-5spd-Baer-Mecham-Macho-Z_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1308Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1 Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem30 0289833156QQitemZ300289833156QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTruc ks)
yea i saw that the other day!
IM almost posetive thats the silver bucket that was in PHR! maybe just a 2.0 version.

[Blake Foster]

yes that is ride height with out bags.
it has the baer 14" with their drop spindles and our upper and lower control arms and QA! GMP kit. the hard part was tucking the exhaust up high enough. bump stops still have 1.5" to the frame, and we tucked the rear wheels in a bit to help with that.

[WSSix]

thanks for the reply Blake. I could have sworn the car was on bags

[customcam]

"the rear wheels coming up into the wells."
Trey All camaros have that issue when u lower the car or bag it and especially when trying to tuck up a tall tyre under the rear. Iv seen some cars that have had the rear quaters pushed out so to speak and you wouldnt of known unless they told you.

[syborg tt]

"the rear wheels coming up into the wells."
Trey All camaros have that issue when u lower the car or bag it and especially when trying to tuck up a tall tyre under the rear. Iv seen some cars that have had the rear quaters pushed out so to speak and you wouldnt of known unless they told you.

got pics - would love to see it since were planning on doing it to my 70


BTW - I know Troy did it on the Cuda and you can't tell.

[customcam]

I havnt seen a 2nd gen get the guard treatment. Jason Wyrick's 73 has a 295/40/20 thats about 29-29.5" tall. http://www.lateral-g.net/members/wyrick/
but there aint any rear pics up close to see
But there are a number of 69 that have been done. Jeff from J2 red camaro on air had his guards pumped out.

[Adam68]

Hi All,
I think that this is the tuffest second gen I have ever seen. It is also on U tube running after during and after the show as well as driving up the someones driveway and getting parked in the shed.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/ducea/063_63.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/ducea/064_64.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/ducea/062_62.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/ducea/086_86.jpg
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/ducea/087_87.jpg

[Steve Chryssos]

C'mon boys! THIS has to be the most radical 2nd gen
http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/products/810968adf43_A400.jpg

[WSSix]

"the rear wheels coming up into the wells."
Trey All camaros have that issue when u lower the car or bag it and especially when trying to tuck up a tall tyre under the rear. Iv seen some cars that have had the rear quaters pushed out so to speak and you wouldnt of known unless they told you.


Yeah I knew this was an issue unfortunately. The Firebirds are luckier and can tuck a slightly wider wheel into the rear without issues but it's not much better. I'll eventually run only 18's with most likely a 40 series tire so that's around a 26 -27inch tall tire. I think I'll have to keep my car at DSE height though. I won't have the budget or know how to go lower. There aren't any issues with leaf springs going as low as the DSE car that anyone knows about, are there?

This has turned into a great thread. Thanks everyone.

[OLDFLM]

We're running the Falken 615 series tires, 295/40/18s on Rushforth SuperSpoke 18x10s out back on my 71 Firebird. Stock tubs/suspension...

Before taking it to DSE SW's red 73 TA ran 295/35/18s out back on 18x10 CL205s/TTIIs with 5.5"bs with no issues whatsover and he got it setting pretty low for stock leaf springs with I think a 1" lowering block in the rear and cut springs up front. He ran 255/40/18s up front on a 18x8 with 4.5"bs fwiw.

HTH

V/R,
Ty

[silverz28]

Here's a pic of the Driftwood Camaro I was talking about. Sweet car.
http://fc86.deviantart.com/fs40/f/2009/034/4/4/Magazine_Camaro_by_mncamaro.jpg

[BonzoHansen]

C'mon boys! THIS has to be the most radical 2nd gen
http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/products/810968adf43_A400.jpg

It kicks the crap out of mustangs! I know, i saw it on a movie!

[Nick L]

Coming Up ... Orange Krate

Nice Pete...
I like it.:cool:

Nick

[rlplive]

I dunno. I kinda like this one.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/141/album_carlisle_2007/4688185119340/tn_full_17521590591.jpg
That is sick

[clill]

I used to have a orange 70 with a blown big block that had graphics all over it. It was in about 18 magazines back in the 80's. It is now in Socal and people say it is in opening credits of "Pinks" ? Lifting the front end at the drags. Pretty wild car but I can't find any pics of it.

[Red Rocker]

Jesse Greening's Camaro is bad ass. I just photographed it last week and it is amazing!

[syborg tt]

Jesse Greening's Camaro is bad ass. I just photographed it last week and it is amazing!

Care to share a few pictures. I will share mine if you share yours

Just a couple.

http://garagescene.net/gallery2/v/Builders/Greening+Auto/71+Camaro+Greening/

[Ricochet]

I used to have a orange 70 with a blown big block that had graphics all over it. It was in about 18 magazines back in the 80's. It is now in Socal and people say it is in opening credits of "Pinks" ? Lifting the front end at the drags. Pretty wild car but I can't find any pics of it.

Was this the car the Mike Gnoss built? If it is I remember it well. I didn't know you owned that at one time. It sees regular racing down south now. The car hauls ass and still looks good.

[clill]

Yes that is the car. I wish I had pics. I bought it from Mike years ago.

[hellrace]

Well i'm building one so I keep ideas if I see one :unibrow:

[silverz28]

How bout these?

[tones2SS]

Care to share a few pictures. I will share mine if you share yours

Just a couple.

http://garagescene.net/gallery2/v/Builders/Greening+Auto/71+Camaro+Greening/

Thanks for the pics Marty.
That is a NICE car.:hail:

[Tig Man]

For all the comments! It was hard to build it any other way when you built race cars everyday for 19 years. Especially when you see how a full chassis race car reacts on a shaker rig. Really makes one wonder about street cars!

Mark

[syborg tt]

F-Bomb is still one of my favorites

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=19209

[protour73]

Here's mine......

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r204/protour73/SouthPics003.jpg

[10Seconds]

Jesse Greening's Camaro is bad ass. I just photographed it last week and it is amazing!

It really is. I am looking for a close up of the console / shifter area on it, did you get one of that area by chance? Please let me know if you did, email or PM are fine if you can't post it.

Thanks.

[lil427z]

my 73 looks better than all of them.
rick k:cheers:

[camaro2nv]

here's another look at the TA
not the MOST radical but

This car is just sweet lookin! It alone has changed my mind about this body style.

[The T-man]

my 73 looks better than all of them.
rick k:cheers:

let's see the pics
:cool:

[SickSpeedMonte]

I saw this Camaro in one of the car mags... It's sweet looking. He called it Driftwood
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2229/2116124330_12c993bcdb_b.jpg

I remember seeing this car at the OC hotrod cruise weekend. It was VERY nicely done. I wish I would have had a camera with me, the interior was incredible.

[The T-man]

bumped

[Ravenous70]

need to hurry and get mine done dang'it:D

[70rs]

need to hurry and get mine done dang'it:D

X2 ^^^:thumbsup:

[speedjohnston]

and big X3 for me. :)

[speedjohnston]

Lots of work still to do, motor getting re-dynoed, the rest of the front suspension parts and new wheels should be on in the next couple weeks.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w136/speedjohnston/PDRM0589.jpg

[WILWAXU]

Lots of work still to do, motor getting re-dynoed, the rest of the front suspension parts and new wheels should be on in the next couple weeks.


Nice grill... errr I mean inter cooler :D

[BritishGreen68]

holy **** was this in Camaro Summer LOL!?!!?!
http://www.priceofhistoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/vw-based-camaro-kit-car-1.jpg

[customcam]

Rad rides are building one gnarly looking Pontiac with an Ls powerplant :dance:
I cant wait to see this one..