Update on my rusty firebird

[67rstbkt]

It's been awhile since I have made any progress on this, but I found some time to work on it this weekend. I got both quarters, roof, and tail panel off. Here are some pics.

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[67rstbkt]

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[TreySmith]

Nice!! How hard is it to allign all the stuff and weld it?

[67rstbkt]

Nice!! How hard is it to allign all the stuff and weld it?

I'll let you know when I get there, this is my first time replacing body panels.

[awr68]

Demo day can be fun! Good to see you are going with full quarters! :thumbsup:
What brand of sheet metal are you using?

[67rstbkt]

Demo day can be fun! Good to see you are going with full quarters! :thumbsup:
What brand of sheet metal are you using?

I got a Summit Racing where I live so I've been buying Goodmark and saving on the truck freight.

[67rstbkt]

I got some more done over the past several weeks. The passenger quarter is prepped and fitted, I used this stuff called rust bullet on all the metal surfaces, I started to cut out and fit the trunk floor, passenger drip rail is mounted, and the flanges for the roof are ready to go. It's starting to look like a car again :cool:

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[Reckley]

Looks like things are coming back together. Keep up the good work

Let us know how those repo firebird quarters fit.

Mike

[67rstbkt]

Looks like things are coming back together. Keep up the good work

Let us know how those repo firebird quarters fit.

Mike

Thanks, so far everything seems to be lining up o.k. I guess we'll see when I get the other quarter and trunk lid on :willy:

[67rstbkt]

Nice!! How hard is it to allign all the stuff and weld it?

So far it has not been that difficult to line things up. Getting out all the spot welds and prepping the mating surfaces has been a real pain though.

[Ron Fox]

It's good to see another Bird in the making. Looks good so far. Are you keeping it original or will you do mods?

Ron
1969 Firebird, 4-speed Coupe

[redfire69]

Looks great! That's a ton of work to do in you own garage. You're going about it the right way, making sure all your gaps are good before final welding - I'm there too! :thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

It's good to see another Bird in the making. Looks good so far. Are you keeping it original or will you do mods?

Ron
1969 Firebird, 4-speed Coupe
Thanks!
Probably some mods; better rear-end, the original 4 speed is long gone so I will have decide what tranny (it came with a TH400), I'll beef up the suspension, convert to disk brakes, but I will keep the 400 motor, probably stroke it and get some aluminum heads on it.

[67rstbkt]

Looks great! That's a ton of work to do in you own garage. You're going about it the right way, making sure all your gaps are good before final welding - I'm there too! :thumbsup:

Just taking my time, hopefully I don't screw it up too much :willy:

[67rstbkt]

I'm just waiting for the other quarter and roof to show up at Summit. I've got those areas prepped and ready to go as soon as they get in. Pics will follow soon after.

Quick question for you body guys: What do you use to fill in the area where the drip rails and roof meet? There was some sort of sealer/filler in there. I've been told mar-glass and filler. What about metal based filler?
Thanks for the input :lateral: :cheers: :woot:

[Mrfixit]

Wow. I thought that I was brave when I tried my first panel replacement (quarter skins) but your taking the "baptism by fire" thing to a whole new level. Everything looks great. Keep up the great work.

[waynieZ]

Nice work the car looks great.

[67rstbkt]

Wow. I thought that I was brave when I tried my first panel replacement (quarter skins) but your taking the "baptism by fire" thing to a whole new level. Everything looks great. Keep up the great work.

Thanks, I'm determined to get this thing together. I'm in Reno and Hot August nights was this week, so I got to see a bunch of stuff to get me motivated. I got the rest of the sheetmetal for the body and started mocking it up. I'm having issues with the Goodmark driver's side quarter. It seems to be too high along the door side. I had to trim from the bottom to get it closer. Needs more massaging, though. I'll post up some pics soon.

[67rstbkt]

Nice work the car looks great.

Thanks, hopefully I can get some more work done on it soon. I had to take a break from it to work on my little brother's car.

[70rs]

Looking great!! Let me know how the roof goes, I'll be doing one soon too on a '70 camaro.

Pm sent to you regarding the Pontiac motor and parts.:cheers:

[9deuce9rr]

looks good man! ton of work and it's coming along great

[67rstbkt]

Thanks for the compliments. I'll post up some progress pics this week. I finally got the driver quarter panel sitting right. When I first popped it on, it sat about 1/2" higher than the door. I ended up cutting at the bottom edge to get it lower. The passenger quarter went right on with no issues. I should have the roof fitted by this weekend. Then it's fenders and making sure all the gaps are good before I weld it together. :willy: :bunny:

[Spiffav8]

It's not looking so rusty now! :thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

It's not looking so rusty now! :thumbsup:

Thanks,it's getting there. Here are some more pictures. I had a hard time getting the driver side quarter to line up, but I finally beat it into submission :unibrow: I'm trying to decide wheter I should weld everything up or mount the subframe and fenders before permanently attaching everything. Any thoughts?

Picked up my stuff from Summit Racing; it's nice having them so close
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Driver quarter

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I picked up this subframe; already been converted to disc, new bushings, steering, etc.. Just needs some powdercoat and a good cleaning.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/IMGP1037.jpg

Nine inch rear; basically got it for free :thumbsup:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/IMGP1039.jpg

[waynieZ]

Thats looking good. Your subframe looks to be in pretty good shape.

[67rstbkt]

Thats looking good. Your subframe looks to be in pretty good shape.

Thanks, the subframe was completely gone through and has had everything replaced. It was installed in the car, then taken out (owner decided to slide an 86 Corvette under a 67 Camaro) . It basically had 0 miles on the whole deal, but the guy left it outside for awhile which is why it's a little rough. I'm pretty happy with it, I got the whole thing for about what I would have paid for just the brake kit :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

It sure helps to get a deal like that once in a while. Their few and far between.

[tones2SS]

Very cool. Looking much better.
Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[Novette_71]

your first pictures remind me of when i was at that point .... my heart was bleeding everytime i saw a half nova in my garage .... thank god i passed that time long ago and am almost done with my ride .... lots of great process, i love those cars ....

[67rstbkt]

your first pictures remind me of when i was at that point .... my heart was bleeding everytime i saw a half nova in my garage .... thank god i passed that time long ago and am almost done with my ride .... lots of great process, i love those cars ....

Thanks:thumbsup: Now I just need to figure out if I should weld this thing together or wait until I bolt up the subframe and front fenders.

[GregWeld]

Thanks:thumbsup: Now I just need to figure out if I should weld this thing together or wait until I bolt up the subframe and front fenders.


Your rear door line must line up to the rear quarters -- because the quarters don't move -- so if that lines up and you're happy... then go ahead and tack 'er up. The front fender line is adjustable and you may have to modify the door edge - or fender edge to get that perfect gap (depending on what you're happy with).... Once you have the rear quarters on - the trunk gap is even and perfect (to your liking) and the tailpan is in and you're happy with that... then it sounds like it's time to start sticking her together.

RE Drip rails: Cut 'em off while you have the chance. :wow: You live in Reno - and aren't going to drive it in the rain anyway! LOL

[67rstbkt]

Your rear door line must line up to the rear quarters -- because the quarters don't move -- so if that lines up and you're happy... then go ahead and tack 'er up. The front fender line is adjustable and you may have to modify the door edge - or fender edge to get that perfect gap (depending on what you're happy with).... Once you have the rear quarters on - the trunk gap is even and perfect (to your liking) and the tailpan is in and you're happy with that... then it sounds like it's time to start sticking her together.

RE Drip rails: Cut 'em off while you have the chance. :wow: You live in Reno - and aren't going to drive it in the rain anyway! LOL

Thanks for the tips:thumbsup: I made sure to line up the doors before I cut off the old quarters and I am just about satisfied with the gaps. I'll make some final adjustments and weld it up after. I was going to cut off the drip rails but ended up buying new ones since the originals were rusted. I'm going to keep them since they are new and I am basically a beginner at this stuff. :bow:

[67rstbkt]

It's been awhile since I've updated this. Here are some progress pics.

Here's some floor action. Looking back, I should have done the full floor, but live and learn I guess.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0053.jpg


Rear panel welded on
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Viper T56
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Global West upper arms
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[67rstbkt]

Roof to quarter welded together
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0052.jpg

I had to add some metal and metal filler to get the molding to quarter fitted correctly
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0059.jpg

Both quarters came off one more time to get this gap even. I also welded and filled the lower quarter to rocker seam
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0049.jpg

Filled the seam with All-metal filler
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[67rstbkt]

My original trunk lid was beyond repair, so I picked this one up off of craigslist

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0058.jpg

[GregWeld]

Looking GREAT!!

Lots of work! But so worth it! You should be proud of yourself!
:cheers:

[Chicken Louie]

Great work on your car! :thumbsup: Your build is inspiring and I am glad too see another 67firebird project. Once the winter is over I will be heading out to my unheated garage to start my fun.

[67rstbkt]

Looking GREAT!!

Lots of work! But so worth it! You should be proud of yourself!
:cheers:

Thanks, Hopefully I can get this into a roller soon :thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

Great work on your car! :thumbsup: Your build is inspiring and I am glad too see another 67firebird project. Once the winter is over I will be heading out to my unheated garage to start my fun.

Thank you, I'm looking forward to checking out your build.
:lateral: :cheers: :woot:

[waynieZ]

The car looks great, nice work.

[67rstbkt]

The car looks great, nice work.

Thanks. I'm just glad it's finally starting to look like a car again. It was touch and go there for awhile :woot:

[67rstbkt]

Update:
Making a little progress. I decided to cut away the inner edge of the outer wheel houses so that I could cut and tuck the rear quarters in a bit (I did that before I set the quarters on). I'm hoping to stuff some 285's back there.

I started by laying down some thin masking tape to mark a straight line.
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Then I cut straight lines with my airsaw every inch or so.
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I was able to bend each section by hand and follow up with just a little hammering to get the edge to sit flat.
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I then spot welded.
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Cleaned up with some sanding discs and sprayed a light coat of Zero Rust.
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[67rstbkt]

A little further: Thinking I could fit a 33X12.50X15 tire there

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Just kidding :lol:

Here's the 67 Camaro section I spliced into my tail panel; Thanks again to ItDoRun for the panel section and Scherp69 for the idea :) I think I inhaled some paint fumes that day because I kind of messed up the cut. Oh well, it's a learning process, right?

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I did add more weld to fill the gaps after this shot, just can't find the picture.

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I also started cleaning up the underside and prepping for epoxy primer, then Raptor liner. Pics on that soon.

[ItDoRun]

Looks good. What type of gas cap are you going to be running?

[waynieZ]

It looks good.

[67rstbkt]

Looks good. What type of gas cap are you going to be running?

I'm probably going to get the billet cap setup from Ridetech
This one - http://www.ridetech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=6376 :thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

It looks good.

Thanks :D

[tones2SS]

Looking good man!:thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

Some updates. I finished cleaning up the underside. I used Dupont epoxy primer and followed up with Raptor truck bed liner. I also got the sub-frame apart, cleaned up, and all seams welded solid. It's at the powdercoaters right now, I should be getting it back today. Here are the pics.....

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[67rstbkt]

Looking good man!:thumbsup:

Thanks :thumbsup:

[Josh69]

Keep up the good work! Glad to see another bird coming 'round!:thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

Keep up the good work! Glad to see another bird coming 'round!:thumbsup:

Thanks :D I mostly work on it once a week; Friday nights or "Firebird Friday". The car sat for months without any progress until I started my Friday ritual. It's really amazing what can be done if you just dedicate a few hours every week.

[67rstbkt]

I went and picked up the sub frame from the powdercoaters today


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[GregWeld]

Thanks :D I mostly work on it once a week; Friday nights or "Firebird Friday". The car sat for months without any progress until I started my Friday ritual. It's really amazing what can be done if you just dedicate a few hours every week.


I love that statement --

Guys ask me all the time -- "how do you get so much done...." My pat answer "I actually work on it". Funny how they don't build themselves at night while you're sleeping! :rofl: God how I wish they would!

[67rstbkt]

I love that statement --

Guys ask me all the time -- "how do you get so much done...." My pat answer "I actually work on it". Funny how they don't build themselves at night while you're sleeping! :rofl: God how I wish they would!

Yea, they sure don't. I usually pick one thing to do on Friday night and do it; even if it's something small like setting a gap correctly, it gets me that much closer. I'm actually amazed with how much I was able to get done this past year just completing a small task each week.

[Tuske427]

It's looking great! This sure is inspiration for my build. I should be back on it this weekend chipping away at it...

[67rstbkt]

It's looking great! This sure is inspiration for my build. I should be back on it this weekend chipping away at it...

Thanks, chipping away is the way to do it :D

[68firebird]

Really nice job so far on the build, I wish I could do it that way pulling the subframe out and all. oh well, small garages suck, LOL. I'll be keeping and eye on your build. keep the pics flowing.

[67rstbkt]

Really nice job so far on the build, I wish I could do it that way pulling the subframe out and all. oh well, small garages suck, LOL. I'll be keeping and eye on your build. keep the pics flowing.

Thanks, I will. The subframe is now mounted and I stuck the original rear end back in; I have two tires on the ground :thumbsup: Once I finish painting my lower control arms and engine brackets, I'll have a roller...

[67rstbkt]

Here's an update.
I mounted the subframe using Global West solid bushings, mounted the GW upper arms, painted the stock lowers. Upper and lower arms have poly bushings. I also mounted the stock rear-end for the time being so that I could get this to roller status. The brakes will be C5; I picked up a set of calipers for a good price, so I guess I'll be giving Kore3 a call for some brackets and hardware.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0002.jpg

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[Tuske427]

Did you make the Guildstrand mod to the stock frame?

[67rstbkt]

Did you make the Guildstrand mod to the stock frame?

Yes, that's the stock subframe. I did not need to trim away the control arm mount and original holes because I'm using tubular arms. That way I can always go back if I need to.

[67rstbkt]

I got some more work done on the firewall and started motor dis assembly. I also fit the mega brace lifter valley brace on my 400. I'll be dropping the block off at the machinist this week.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/IMGP1147.jpg

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[67rstbkt]

Been awhile since an update, so here you go. My block is still at the machine shop, so I'm sort of on a hold for a little while. I painted the firewall and dash in preparation for the motor. I picked up a set of Edelbrock aluminum heads, a Hayes flywheel and a Mcleod clutch.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0043.jpg

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[Tuske427]

Nice work! Nice blue color, too. I always enjoy seeing updates to this car, it's inspiration to keep working on mine

[67rstbkt]

Nice work! Nice blue color, too. I always enjoy seeing updates to this car, it's inspiration to keep working on mine

Thank you :thumbsup: :lateral: :cheers: :woot:

[Jimmy Sean]

Where did you get the heater block off piece? BTW the car is looking great.

[67rstbkt]

Where did you get the heater block off piece? BTW the car is looking great.

Thanks :bow: I got the plate from DSE, it was around $70

[waynieZ]

The firewall looks great, I like the color. Nice job.

[67rstbkt]

The firewall looks great, I like the color. Nice job.

Thanks:thumbsup:
Minor update: I'm still waiting on the machine shop; I stopped by yesterday and they are working on it, so it should not be too long now.
I snapped a few pics while I was there:

[67rstbkt]

.......

[67rstbkt]

Few more pics of the block at the machine shop, should have it back real soon :D

[67rstbkt]

I picked up my parts this past Friday; now the fun begins. I filed the rings to fit and should hopefully get the shortblock assembled this week. Here are the pics:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/FB11.jpg

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[White.Lightning]

Nice project

[67rstbkt]

Nice project

Thank you, I'm going to try and get the short block together this weekend :D

[pmgm]

Nice build.....

[67rstbkt]

I guess I'm long over due for an update. Progress has been slow, I sort of got sidetracked on another deal. The block is mostly together and painted. I'm just waiting on the manifold, it's at the machine shop. It needs some material removed to fit due to the block decking and head resurfacing. The heads got a little more work than I originally intended. In addition to resurfacing, the ports and chambers were cleaned up, new springs installed, and the vlave job was touched up.

Here are some pics:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/p9-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/p8-1.jpg

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http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/p4-1.jpg

[67rstbkt]

A few more:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/degree2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/assemble1.jpg

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[Tuske427]

very cool! It's looking good. How much power are you expecting with this?

[67rstbkt]

very cool! It's looking good. How much power are you expecting with this?

Thanks :thumbsup: I'm hoping that I'll be in the 500hp range with the combo. I would really like to run it on a dyno to find out, but I'm not sure if anyone around here has one. I used the examples in the back of Jim Hand's book to help put it together. It's not exactly the same, but I picked one of the combos and went with it. The main difference is the cam, I went with a solid cam from PPR

[67rstbkt]

Update: got my manifold back and installed. Now to get a look at that oil pan. I bought the one-piece gasket BOP engineering makes, but the pan looks like it needs a little persuasion and work on some of the holes to get it to fit right. Why can't anything just bolt on with no mods anymore?

[brut4s]

Loving the build especially that you are keeping it Pontiac powered!

[67rstbkt]

Loving the build especially that you are keeping it Pontiac powered!

Thanks; I got the oil pan all mounted up. The gasket gave me some issues, but I got it to fit. Hopefully it was worth the $50 I paid for it and I don't have to deal with oil pan leaks.

[67rstbkt]

I'm almost ready to mate the Pontiac Motor to the Viper T56, pics soon. I'm trying to figure out what to do with the hydraulic setup. I want to use the Viper CSC and the Camaro T56 master and lines. The problem is that the connection on the Viper CSC is slightly different and won't connect to the Camaro hydraulic line. I know that the fitting is removeable, but can't find a source other than buying a Camaro CSC and removing that fitting.
Does anyone know where I can get just the fitting? Or better yet, a used Camaro t56 CSC that I can buy cheap to remove the fitting?

[GregWeld]

Take your line --- and the fitting that is slightly different - to a hydraulic shop -- show them what you need and they'll make you one. It isn't that expensive and most will do it while you wait.

Some of the fittings are JIC.... don't ask me what that is - but they're basically AN- stuff but used in the hydraulic industry.

[HWY Nova]

Take your line --- and the fitting that is slightly different - to a hydraulic shop -- show them what you need and they'll make you one. It isn't that expensive and most will do it while you wait.

Some of the fittings are JIC.... don't ask me what that is - but they're basically AN- stuff but used in the hydraulic industry.

JIC = Joint Industry Council

Hey, Greg "Voltage-Drop" Weld.... It was great seeing you at SEMA.


--Eric

[GregWeld]

JIC = Joint Industry Council

Hey, Greg "Voltage-Drop" Weld.... It was great seeing you at SEMA.


--Eric


Good to see you too Eric!

I always figured that the guy "jic'd" me out of something....:lol:

[67rstbkt]

Awesome, thanks for the suggestion. I guess I need to pick up the Camaro hydraulic line so I can bring that in along with the Viper CSC. I know that there are at least one or two hydraulic shops around here I can try :thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

Minor update:
I went to a hydraulic shop and they were able to make me a hose. I lose the quick disconnect, but that's not a big deal for me. I also just got the bellhousing and spacer from Mcleod to mount the transmission to my motor. Pics will follow soon.

Thanks :D

[67rstbkt]

Long overdue updates. The motor and trans are now in the car. I've started getting the front sheet metal bolted up, sandblasted and painted all the little brackets that are needed for that. I used Eastwood underhood black for the parts. Well, here are the pics.......

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0016.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0018.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0004-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0015.jpg

[67rstbkt]

A few more:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0016-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0017-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0018-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0019.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/DSC_0020.jpg

[KPC67]

Good progress:thumbsup:

[Tuske427]

Awesome!

[FETorino]

Great build.

Back in 1980 to 92 I had a 69 FB. Love the Poncho powerplant HO racing used to build some great 400ci stump pullers back in the day. I didn't see in your thread is it a 400 or a 455?

[67rstbkt]

Great build.

Back in 1980 to 92 I had a 69 FB. Love the Poncho powerplant HO racing used to build some great 400ci stump pullers back in the day. I didn't see in your thread is it a 400 or a 455?

Thanks for the comments :thumbsup:

To answer your question, it's a 400 stroked to 461. I used a forged rotating assembly and 87cc Edelbrock heads with some mild porting. I also switched out the springs and running a Tomahawk solid cam @ about .525 lift

[FETorino]

Thanks for the comments :thumbsup:

To answer your question, it's a 400 stroked to 461. I used a forged rotating assembly and 87cc Edelbrock heads with some mild porting. I also switched out the springs and running a Tomahawk solid cam @ about .525 lift

Sounds really nice. I had 400ci, stock iron heads with a good valve job and bowl work, a crane copy of the RAIV cam with the 1.65 ratio steel rockers (grooved rocker balls comes to mind), a set of off the shelf hooker headers, recurved HEI out of a 76 and a holley street dominator intake and recalibrated quadrajet. With a munncie, 4.33 and 255 gatorbacks it was an exciting ride.

Yours will be better in every way. I can't wait to see the finished project.

[waynieZ]

Looking Good.

[67rstbkt]

Thanks for the comments :hail:

I've been working on the gap between the bumper and front-end. I know that from the factory, this gap was pretty large. I'm trying to get a uniform and closer gap here. Right now if you look from the top down, the gap is tighter towards the center of the hood and wider as it goes out to the fenders. Can anyone offer any tips or advice on getting this as close and as uniform as possible?

I've also been thinking of buying a new fiberglass bumper. My reasoning here is that it may be easier to work with and fit the fiberglass bumper. If I keep the metal bumper, I was planning on painting it body color anyway, so the fiberglass would work out in my plans. Any thoughts on this or experience with the fiberglass bumpers for this car? I found a company named UP22 that sells them. Anyone deal with them?
Thanks

[Tuske427]

Thanks for the comments :hail:

I've been working on the gap between the bumper and front-end. I know that from the factory, this gap was pretty large. I'm trying to get a uniform and closer gap here. Right now if you look from the top down, the gap is tighter towards the center of the hood and wider as it goes out to the fenders. Can anyone offer any tips or advice on getting this as close and as uniform as possible?

I've also been thinking of buying a new fiberglass bumper. My reasoning here is that it may be easier to work with and fit the fiberglass bumper. If I keep the metal bumper, I was planning on painting it body color anyway, so the fiberglass would work out in my plans. Any thoughts on this or experience with the fiberglass bumpers for this car? I found a company named UP22 that sells them. Anyone deal with them?
Thanks

Please keep me/ us posted on the front bumper update. I too will eventually be dealing with this same issue, so I'd like to see what you find out. Thanks!

[67rstbkt]

Please keep me/ us posted on the front bumper update. I too will eventually be dealing with this same issue, so I'd like to see what you find out. Thanks!

I worked on it some more this past weekend and got it much closer. I had to tweak my bumper a little, basically just bent in the outsides a little. I don't think this is the original bumper because there are no holes in it for the pontiac emblem. From what I can tell, the 400 cars had this on the bumper. Also, who knows what happened to this bumper over the years.

Currently, the gaps are much more consistent. The only issue is that the gap is a little closer towards the middle (center of the hood) and gets slightly larger as it gets towards the fenders. I'm still trying to decide if I can live with it. I'll try and take some pictures this weekend.

[Tuske427]

I worked on it some more this past weekend and got it much closer. I had to tweak my bumper a little, basically just bent in the outsides a little. I don't think this is the original bumper because there are no holes in it for the pontiac emblem. From what I can tell, the 400 cars had this on the bumper. Also, who knows what happened to this bumper over the years.

Currently, the gaps are much more consistent. The only issue is that the gap is a little closer towards the middle (center of the hood) and gets slightly larger as it gets towards the fenders. I'm still trying to decide if I can live with it. I'll try and take some pictures this weekend.

Cool, thanks for the update. Yeah, the original 400 bumpers had two stamped (5/8" ??) holes on the middle for the emblem. Most people just drill out the non 400 bumpers to attach the emblem. I have an original 400 bumper if you need a template. I can make one for you- just let me know.

[Bucketlist2012]

Great Build..

In the early 70's, I had a Buddy with a 68 400 Firebird 4 speed. Thing was like 4 years old and brand new... Man what a car..

Good Job on building the Firebird..:cheers:

[67rstbkt]

Cool, thanks for the update. Yeah, the original 400 bumpers had two stamped (5/8" ??) holes on the middle for the emblem. Most people just drill out the non 400 bumpers to attach the emblem. I have an original 400 bumper if you need a template. I can make one for you- just let me know.

I'm still undecided on this bumper; it's been through a lot and will need some work to get it to look good. Thanks for the template offer, I'll definitely let you know if I need that. :thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

Great Build..

In the early 70's, I had a Buddy with a 68 400 Firebird 4 speed. Thing was like 4 years old and brand new... Man what a car..

Good Job on building the Firebird..:cheers:

Thanks; I wish I could have seen that thing. Where I grew up, you hardly saw 60's cars on the streets. They were either locked up in a garage or rusted away.

[AtomicFirebird]

Love the work you've done on the Firebird.

[67rstbkt]

Cool, thanks for the update. Yeah, the original 400 bumpers had two stamped (5/8" ??) holes on the middle for the emblem. Most people just drill out the non 400 bumpers to attach the emblem. I have an original 400 bumper if you need a template. I can make one for you- just let me know.

Sorry for the delay on these, been busy with a new job. Here are the pics after I messed around with the gaps. It's not perfect, but it is much better than it was. The sides use some sort of urethane filler pieces that cover that gap. Ames has them listed in their catalog. I also picked up some doug's headers since Classic was having a sale. I am very pleased with how well they fit.

Anyway, here are the pics:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0049.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0003-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0002-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0046-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0045-2.jpg

and here's one of the cowl panel that I cut apart and welded back together because it was sitting too high:
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0047-1.jpg


And the after fitment:
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0048.jpg

[67rstbkt]

Love the work you've done on the Firebird.

Thank you :thumbsup:

[Tuske427]

Sorry for the delay on these, been busy with a new job. Here are the pics after I messed around with the gaps. It's not perfect, but it is much better than it was. The sides use some sort of urethane filler pieces that cover that gap. Ames has them listed in their catalog. I also picked up some doug's headers since Classic was having a sale. I am very pleased with how well they fit.

Anyway, here are the pics:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0049.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0003-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0002-2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0046-1.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0045-2.jpg

and here's one of the cowl panel that I cut apart and welded back together because it was sitting too high:
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0047-1.jpg


And the after fitment:
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/DSC_0048.jpg


Cool, thank you for posting these pics! This looks good. I'll definitely have to go this route. Of course, it looks like it's a lot of work... :)

[68400BIRD]

I just went through all 11 pages. Nice progress, it seems all to famalier. Looks like the gaps are coming out pretty nice. I noticed that a lot of the problems that you have had are the same as me. LOL JUst makes you wonder how some of this stuff fit when it was new. Keep up the great work.

[strtcar]

Great build keep up the good work, it gives us guys who are just getting started a lot of inspiration to keep moving forward.

[67rstbkt]

I just went through all 11 pages. Nice progress, it seems all to famalier. Looks like the gaps are coming out pretty nice. I noticed that a lot of the problems that you have had are the same as me. LOL JUst makes you wonder how some of this stuff fit when it was new. Keep up the great work.


Thanks! I noticed the same thing, maybe they're not problem areas after all, lol. Just how they were originally put together. Fit and finish is so much better nowadays that I forget it was not always the case. I'll add some new pics when I get a chance. I've got the electric fan mounted, fuel lines run and picked up some nice fittings and line for the final 2 feet to my regulator.

[67rstbkt]

Great build keep up the good work, it gives us guys who are just getting started a lot of inspiration to keep moving forward.

Thanks; it sure is a long process, especially when the budget is tight and you just want to go out and buy the best of the best.

[68firebird]

Thanks; it sure is a long process, especially when the budget is tight and you just want to go out and buy the best of the best.

I hear that!! super tight budget here too. She's coming along nicely. keep up the good work. the motor looks really good. its nice to know there is another person on here with a tight budget, LOL

[67rstbkt]

I hear that!! super tight budget here too. She's coming along nicely. keep up the good work. the motor looks really good. its nice to know there is another person on here with a tight budget, LOL

Thanks :D Here's a few more pics of what I've been up to. Reading through several posts spread over a few forums led me to using a 98-02 F-body Clutch Slave to actuate the Viper part in my transmission that in turn engages the Mcleod clutch. I took it apart and cut the stopper in half to get the extra throw. I also started on making my original clutch pedal engage it.

[67rstbkt]

Long overdue for an update so here we go:

Fuel system: complete (used a Tanksinc pump setup, ROBBMC regulator, 3/8 stainless feed and return

AAW wire harness, installation underway

Pedals refurbished, modified to work with new clutch, and old butchery welds cleaned up

Lincoln Mark VIII fan installed

Bought an American Powertrain x-member that was supposed to fit.....of course it did not, so had to modify to make it work

Ordered a RideTEch 4 link and coil-overs, waiting on getting the wheels and then I'm going to attempt to narrow the Ford 9" I have in waiting.

I've also been continuing to work on the body and will be attempting an initial start of the motor real soon to get the cam broken in and make sure nothing leaks :excited:


On to the pics:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/557454_2447117995030_810059424_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/375820_2447121235111_1388066058_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/255527_2447121555119_1792718722_n.jpg

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http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/252480_2447121635121_507034331_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/306588_2307308779887_250268101_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/382418_2307308979892_58811773_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/534846_2307309219898_1694356304_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/599912_2307309339901_800581752_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/156575_2167599047231_529012148_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/545007_2167599247236_520918469_n.jpg

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http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/579418_2167599847251_1945294515_n.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/jcrazy28/firebird/6226_2621460993496_1029176705_n.jpg

[GregWeld]

That's how they get done --- one step at a time! Looks good!

Keep pounding away at it!



:thumbsup:

[67rstbkt]

That's how they get done --- one step at a time! Looks good!

Keep pounding away at it!



:thumbsup:

Thanks, I appreciate the words of encouragement:thankyou:

[67rstbkt]

Got the motor started for the first time. Found 2 issues:

1: I will need to rethink the fuel pump setup, maybe reposition or cut and weld in a small sump section for the bottom of it. With 4 gallons of gas, it started cutting out on me, so I put in another 5 gallons and it was good to go.

2: Little oil leak that I need to investigate. It looks like it's either the rear main or the oil pan. I'm kind of pissed about this because I used the high-dollar BOP seal and followed the instructions exactly (if that's the cause). The other possibility is the oil pan. It's the Canton pan and it was way off out of the box, so I had to massage it into shape. I thought about exchanging it after I got it, but at the time, my machine shop was using the same pan on a Pontiac and it fit exactly like mine did. It's like it got warped a little when they welded to bottom portion onto it.

Anyways, here's a video of it running. This is after I ran it for about 20 minutes at around 2000 rpm. It's idling at about 1000 in this video

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[Tuske427]

sounds awesome! I guess you'll be driving it soon now

[67rstbkt]

sounds awesome! I guess you'll be driving it soon now

Thanks! Still a lot of work to do before it sees the road. I'm going to be removing the front sheetmetal for paint. I wanted to make sure that everything is ok with the motor before I get to paint and re-assembly. Depending on where that little oil leak is, I may have to get the motor back out.

[67rstbkt]

These came in today, 18x8 and 18x9, new on the market

[waynieZ]

They're going to look great on there!

[Tuske427]

These came in today, 18x8 and 18x9, new on the market

Ooooh, those do look nice. Which brand? Year one?

[67rstbkt]

Ooooh, those do look nice. Which brand? Year one?

Nope, they're US Mag model U109. They cost a few bucks less than the Year One versions. I went with them because they had 18's and everything I read about the 17" year one's said no good with big brakes.

[67rstbkt]

They're going to look great on there!

Thanks!

[Tuske427]

Nope, they're US Mag model U109. They cost a few bucks less than the Year One versions. I went with them because they had 18's and everything I read about the 17" year one's said no good with big brakes.

Very nice! I just might have to give them a call.

[67rstbkt]

Very nice! I just might have to give them a call.

I got them through a guy on e-bay that goes by RonsRims. Had them to my door in less than a week :thumbsup:

[captainofiron]

I wasnt a fan of the new big inch Rally II wheels

but I think those pictures are starting to sway my opinion

[geberhard]

They look great I dig the wheels big time! I was really thinking of the yearone ones but these look clean! do you remember whathe BS is on them? Any side profile shot to see clearance in the back? Will they clear the rear fender with i.e. 275's on?

Thanks and the bird is coming sweet!!

Gui

Hope you do not mind just photo"chopped" them on my project bird

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/geberhard/lollabanditusmag109_zps1795c9af.jpg

[67rstbkt]

They look great I dig the wheels big time! I was really thinking of the yearone ones but these look clean! do you remember whathe BS is on them? Any side profile shot to see clearance in the back? Will they clear the rear fender with i.e. 275's on?

Thanks and the bird is coming sweet!!

Gui

Thanks! I went with 18's and took a shot hoping that they will clear C5 brakes; I printed out the template and just need to check. The fronts are 18x8 with 4.5 backspace. The rears are 18x9 with 5.25 backspace. The rears fit with the stock rear end setup, but looks pretty close to the outer edge. A bunch of lowering might cause rubbing issues. I've already cut and rolled back the outer edge on the rear wheel housings so it should clear my setup. No tires yet, so I can't provide any feedback on that yet. My goal is at least a 275, maybe a 285.

[geberhard]

Awesome info thanks! If you get a chance and could take some profile (i.e. rear shots) or even a bottom up straight shot or shot of a ruler across up that woudl be a huge help! I am running Boss wheels 9.5 in the rear, but they are very much on the edge with the 275's even rolled up so a bit of room but not too much room for more drop. That is with the stock bird rear wich I believe is about .5 inch or so wider than a Camaro rear from what I heard?

Thanks again!

Gui

[67rstbkt]

Awesome info thanks! If you get a chance and could take some profile (i.e. rear shots) or even a bottom up straight shot or shot of a ruler across up that woudl be a huge help! I am running Boss wheels 9.5 in the rear, but they are very much on the edge with the 275's even rolled up so a bit of room but not too much room for more drop. That is with the stock bird rear wich I believe is about .5 inch or so wider than a Camaro rear from what I heard?

Thanks again!

Gui

I've heard the same, problem is that I have no idea if the rear I have is original or not. I'm building a 9" for it, so I'm using what's in there as a base for measuring and cutting the other rear end. I'm planning on going 1/4" shorter on each end of my 9".

I measured with a straight edge from the outer edges of the rear wheels and came up with 1.25" on the inside and .75 on the outside. Of course, there will be variances due to where you take the measurement on the inside and because I cut and rolled the outer lip. I'll take some pictures for you, but I'm not sure how much it will help.

[67rstbkt]

They look great I dig the wheels big time! I was really thinking of the yearone ones but these look clean! do you remember whathe BS is on them? Any side profile shot to see clearance in the back? Will they clear the rear fender with i.e. 275's on?

Thanks and the bird is coming sweet!!

Gui

Hope you do not mind just photo"chopped" them on my project bird

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/geberhard/lollabanditusmag109_zps1795c9af.jpg


Looks Great!!

[67rstbkt]

A little measuring on the C5 brakes question, thought this might be useful for others looking at doing the same:

To Recap- the front wheels are 18x8 with 4.5 backspacing and 1mm offset

I printed out the C5/C6 template on the Kore 3 website and took some pictures today. The total distance across the inside of the wheel is 16 inches, so the 12.8" rotors and calipers should fit fine. The protrusion of the caliper looks really close, but I believe it will fit. I will know for sure once I get everything, but at least this gives an idea. The only concern I see is at the point where the caliper gets close to the hub. The template has something there, but it's not the caliper (PAB??). Here are the pics, hope it helps:

[67rstbkt]

Awesome info thanks! If you get a chance and could take some profile (i.e. rear shots) or even a bottom up straight shot or shot of a ruler across up that woudl be a huge help! I am running Boss wheels 9.5 in the rear, but they are very much on the edge with the 275's even rolled up so a bit of room but not too much room for more drop. That is with the stock bird rear wich I believe is about .5 inch or so wider than a Camaro rear from what I heard?

Thanks again!

Gui

I completely forgot to take pictures, sorry. I removed the rear end this weekend so I can narrow the other setup. Will the stock size rear-end length help you any (to compare to yours)? I took a measurement to the outside of each axle flange, drum brakes and backing plates removed, and I am at 60 inches. With the 18x9 and 5.25 backspace, I would be on that edge if I had not rolled back the metal underneath. I'm actually going to see if I can cut the new rear end about 1/4" extra on each side to move the wheels in just a hair. Like I said in a previous post, with my 18x9, I had a little more room to the inside when compared to the outside. If there's any other measurements I can take for you, let me know.

[67rstbkt]

Here's just a little update, rear end is out and set up next to the new 9:

[67rstbkt]

Well, started on the narrowing process and I could use some advice here. This is the first time I've done this; I've measured a bunch of times and have the length where it needs to be. The main issues I ran into is that the new ends do not seem to line up that great with the axle tubes. They are off a little bit, almost like the housing tubes are a bit out of alignment.

As it sits right now, the new ends are lined up with the alignment slugs in the center chunk, so basically the rod going through the 4 slugs is straight while the new ends are tacked on slightly off. Is it ok to weld them on like this?

I assume the axles being centered to the carrier is the most important thing?

Thanks

Here are a few pics:

[geberhard]

Hi was the rear end a truck or car 9 inch originally?

[67rstbkt]

Hi was the rear end a truck or car 9 inch originally?

I believe it was a truck rear end

[67rstbkt]

I got the assembly mocked with the 4 link and tacked on the upper brackets. I'm planning on having a friend weld it solid for me tonight. I don't have the skill or correct setup to feel good about welding together such a critical component.

I went a little bit narrower than I needed on the rear end to try and center the tires in the wheelwell just a bit. I figured it's easier to adjust out just a little bit with wheel spacers to get them just perfect; at least I hope it is. More pics soon.

[67rstbkt]

Here it is, welded together. Just needs some clean-up and paint

[67rstbkt]

Update Time :G-Dub:

Finally got the rear end installed after figuring out all the measurements (with help from forum members, of course :thankyou: )

So here is what I have done:

Ford 9", narrowed it myself, had a buddy do final welding

Ridetech 4 link installed, I used nuts and bolts instead of the cheesy self tappers for the majority of the connections. A piece of wire welded to the nut worked out great to get the nuts in place inside the frame rails.

98-02 F-body rear brakes installed; figured out a 2.5" offset works well for them. I should have used the flush mount GM ends from Moser instead of the standard ones, but removing .105 from the rear of the backing plates solved that issue.

On to the pics:

[67rstbkt]

A few more:

[geberhard]

Awesome work!! what glanges did you use and what shafts? Thanks!

[67rstbkt]

Awesome work!! what glanges did you use and what shafts? Thanks!

Thanks!

I ordered the axle shafts from Quick Performance - extreme series axles, 31 spline

Did you mean flanges? To hold in the axles? If so, then the brake backing plates act as the retainer in this setup. I had to slide the backing plate on first, then the seal, followed by the bearing and bearing retainer.

[waynieZ]

It looks great!! Nice job. Slick idea using the wire to get the nut where you needed them.

[geberhard]

Ops yeah flanges :)

[67rstbkt]

It looks great!! Nice job. Slick idea using the wire to get the nut where you needed them.

Thanks! It was kind of a pain getting it there when I first tried, but then I switched to a much more flexible wire (coat hangers :lol: )
I was able to break off the wire after I tightened down the nut. I did manage to get two pieces stuck in there though.

[67rstbkt]

Updates........been slow going here, life getting in the way again. I started gathering my paint supplies and plan to continue on bodywork. Getting my door to fender and fender to hood gap lines better and better. I also stripped the many layers of paint off of the doors.
2014 Plan - Paint, I hope :)

[Tuske427]

any updates?

[67rstbkt]

any updates?

Sorry for the very delayed response......Nothing new going on at the moment due to moving into a new house and some work related stuff. I am looking into building a 2 car detached work space hopefully pretty soon so the updates will continue as soon as I can get everything back in order :)

[Bonebuster29]

getting all the lines and gaps to look good takes so much fineness... Great progress so far! I need to start a build report on my 68 firebird.

[67rstbkt]

getting all the lines and gaps to look good takes so much fineness... Great progress so far! I need to start a build report on my 68 firebird.

I hear that - it's been one of the more difficult tasks and I want to make sure I get it as perfect as possible before the paint goes on. Get that build report up! I could use some motivation :D

[67rstbkt]

In the meantime - here's a pic I drew up of what I'm thinking of doing when this new shop is up. I've been checking out those portable scissor lifts and want to recess it into the floor. I lose a little access under the car (mainly transmission stuff) with this style, but I can get it completely hidden and the height works out well for a 9 foot ceiling.

Here's a link to the style of lift:
http://www.bendpak.com/car-lifts/specialty-lifts/md-6xp.aspx

[Tuske427]

getting all the lines and gaps to look good takes so much fineness... Great progress so far! I need to start a build report on my 68 firebird.

Yes, please do! We need more Firebird representation on this Camaro-G.net site, ha ha


In the meantime - here's a pic I drew up of what I'm thinking of doing when this new shop is up. I've been checking out those portable scissor lifts and want to recess it into the floor. I lose a little access under the car (mainly transmission stuff) with this style, but I can get it completely hidden and the height works out well for a 9 foot ceiling.

Here's a link to the style of lift:
http://www.bendpak.com/car-lifts/specialty-lifts/md-6xp.aspx

That's going to be awesome!

[67rstbkt]

Yes, please do! We need more Firebird representation on this Camaro-G.net site, ha ha




That's going to be awesome!

Been thinking about this for awhile - the car will have to wait a little longer, but it'll be nice having my own separate workspace not attached to the house :)

[Tuske427]

Been thinking about this for awhile - the car will have to wait a little longer, but it'll be nice having my own separate workspace not attached to the house :)

Totally understood. My one requirement when we bought our house was that the garage was detached in back. I was flexible on everything else.

[67rstbkt]

Totally understood. My one requirement when we bought our house was that the garage was detached in back. I was flexible on everything else.

Ha ha, great minds think alike. That's the most important part of any house,lol

[67rstbkt]

Yea, I'm still here.................lol
Just trying to finish up this shop so I can get back on the Firebird. Here are a few pics:

[67rstbkt]

A few from earlier in the process

[WSSix]

Nice shop!

[Justin@EntropyRad]

The built in lift is legit!

[67rstbkt]

Nice shop!

The built in lift is legit!

Thanks! I am going to try and move the Firebird into the shop from the attached garage this weekend or the next.

[Tuske427]

Awesome shop! What did you do for wiring?

[67rstbkt]

Awesome shop! What did you do for wiring?

Thanks! I had an electrician drop in a 60 amp panel off of the house. I ran 1 20 amp 110 circuit for 6 outlets, one 15 amp for lighting and 2 additional outlets, and 2 220 circuits - 1 for the heater and the other to switch between the lift and compressor. I went with led for lighting.

[67rstbkt]

The Shop is complete for now. Paint is finished and tools are moved in. I got the car pushed in yesterday, so hopefully updates soon. This lift is going to make completing the lower sections of body work so much easier.

[captainofiron]

thats a pretty cool lift, never seen a set up like that before, how does the cost compare to like a 4 post?

[67rstbkt]

thats a pretty cool lift, never seen a set up like that before, how does the cost compare to like a 4 post?

This one costs less than any 4 post that I've seen. I looked at different brands, but I suspect that the same manufacturer in China makes all the ones I was looking at.....so, I got this one from harbor freight. Cost is about $1500, but you can use the 20% or more coupons. I had a 25% off one day only coupon that I used. Add in Freight to the terminal and it came in under $1200 tax and all.

There are obviously some drawbacks to this style of lift compared to a 2 post or 4 post, but I don't have much room and both of those take up too much of it. If I had built a 30X24, I would have looked into a 2 post designed to handle more weight and for transmission access. Still, I would rather have this than nothing at all. This will make working on my projects so much easier.

[captainofiron]

This one costs less than any 4 post that I've seen. I looked at different brands, but I suspect that the same manufacturer in China makes all the ones I was looking at.....so, I got this one from harbor freight. Cost is about $1500, but you can use the 20% or more coupons. I had a 25% off one day only coupon that I used. Add in Freight to the terminal and it came in under $1200 tax and all.

There are obviously some drawbacks to this style of lift compared to a 2 post or 4 post, but I don't have much room and both of those take up too much of it. If I had built a 30X24, I would have looked into a 2 post designed to handle more weight and for transmission access. Still, I would rather have this than nothing at all. This will make working on my projects so much easier.

nice yea thats not a bad deal at all

[67rstbkt]

Ok, I think I'm just about ready to get back to work on the Firebird. With any luck, I can make the time I need to make a real dent in the work I still need to complete. I ordered a DSE sway bar kit for it and have all the pro forged steering components in a box somewhere.

I just finished (well almost) the cover for the lift and completed my airlines this past weekend. We shall see if I can dedicate some time this weekend.

Here are some pics of where the shop is now:

[Al Moreno]

Great setup, congrats! The lift will make your life a hell of a lot easier!

[67rstbkt]

Great setup, congrats! The lift will make your life a hell of a lot easier!

That's the idea :) Thanks!

[Tuske427]

Your garage is looking great! No excuse now for a lack of Firebird updates, ha ha

[67rstbkt]

Your garage is looking great! No excuse now for a lack of Firebird updates, ha ha

I'm sure I can come up with a few,lol. I did get my new DSE sway bar installed this weekend. It's not much, but I'll take that over no progress.

[waynieZ]

The garage look great and that's a nice lift.

[67rstbkt]

Long Overdue......Updates - it's been on the road since May. Still working on finishing the interior, spoiler, battery relocation, air intakes......and on and on :)

I also need to do something about the brakes. I've got 10" of vacuum - thinking about hydroboost

[WSSix]

Gorgeous! glad you're out enjoying the car. Have fun!

[Ron in SoCal]

Been a while, so I went to page one and looked at the pics and then the last page. All I can say is your car looks freakin' sweet!

Great job :cheers:

[Tuske427]

Yeah!!!

Lookin' sharp! Congrats on getting it running and driving

[67rstbkt]

Thank you all! :)

[67rstbkt]

I finished the air intakes - finally....I might look into a different solution for the tubes later on, but this will work for now.

[WSSix]

It's a good classic look. :thumbsup:

[murrayrx7]

Looks awesome nice work. I have a 67 in desperate need of some tlc How’s the gas lid look I was thinking of doing the same thing but haven’t seen anyone do it. Can you post a pic of the back

[67rstbkt]

Been forever since I updated this - so many changes
- Flush Glass
- 2 tone paint, Satin blue up top
- AC
- New cooling
- Torqstorm Supercharger
- Interior completed

[camcojb]

Turned out great!

[Roscoe03]

Man, nice update!

[WSSix]

Glad you're enjoying the car and continuing to tweak it. The satin blue up top is an interesting choice. I like it. I certainly would have never thought to do that. Thanks for updating us.

[67rstbkt]

A few more mods - I made some cover panels, swapped out to a bigger air filter, made a hole in my inner fender, and created a heat shield over the header on the passenger side - trying to keep the IATs lower

[Dave Pratt]

That turned out great.Really like the engine bay for sure.How do you like the performance of that Torque Storm? I've been kicking around something along those lines...very cool ride

[67rstbkt]

That turned out great.Really like the engine bay for sure.How do you like the performance of that Torque Storm? I've been kicking around something along those lines...very cool ride

Thanks! I like the Torqstorm so far - it's not a bunch of boost on a 461, but it works for what I was looking for and the quality is fantastic.

[Spiffav8]

One of the cleanest 1st gen Firebirds I've ever seen.

:captain:

[67rstbkt]

One of the cleanest 1st gen Firebirds I've ever seen.

:captain:

Thank you!!