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[motorheadmike]

That about sums up my status on Pro-Touring.com regarding mega-dollar poseur builds/owners; the car is becoming a bit more popular as parts appear in the marketplace. I'll never consider it Pro-Touring... who needs a label? Those looking to belong? Ha...

http://whitetrashdesign.ca/images/buick/buickphotoshoot/pic%20004.jpg

This is the short list of parts & performance:
High-Mileage 3.8L (Stock) SFI V6,
MAFT Pro (Speed Density),
Extender Pro Chip,
LC-1 WB02,
PowerLogger Datalogger/Scantool,
PowerPlate,
Garrett T63e Turbo,
Low-Z 83pph Injectors,
Modified International Semi FMIC,
MPE 3" Down Pipe,
4" Single Exhaust w/Magnaflow,
Dual In-tank Pumps,
ProPain Propane Injection,
Built 200-4R w/3000 Stall,
8.5" Rearend w/Welded Axle Tubes & 3.08s,
Tubular UCAs & Boxed LCAs F&R,
1LE (F) & LS1 (R) Discs,
36mm 1LE & F41 Swaybars,
KYB Shocks,
800lb/in (F) & 200lb/in (R) Springs,
17x9.5s w/275/40s & 325/45 M&H Drag Radials
& an HKS Turbo Timer...

Just scratching the surface going 12.1 @ 113.27mph w/1.79 60' (0-60mph in 3.8 seconds).

It is prep'd for Auto-X and has been used as such; however the drag racing is getting it tuned in using a realtime environment with actual load feedback (not a dyno).

Recently all of the gauges have been pulled and sold in favour of pressure transducers & temperature translators so that the oil & fuel pressure and EGT can be datalogged. I feel you are kidding yourself if you think you can watch five gauges and run short circuit tracks (ie. Drag and Auto-X) at the same time and remained focused; besides I can have a full panel of gauges displayed on the datalogger if I so desire.

Natasha drives (and I mean drives!) this 2002 B4C Camaro:
http://whitetrashdesign.ca/images/camaro/camaro1.jpg

Plus, I have the other cars in the signature below for kicks.

[Stuart Adams]

Huh. :rolleyes:

[Jr]

[QUOTE=motorheadmike;184717]That about sums up my status on Pro-Touring.com regarding mega-dollar poseur builds/owners; the car is becoming a bit more popular as parts appear in the marketplace. Those looking to belong? Ha...QUOTE]

Motorheadmike,
Welcome to Lateral-g.net.

What a way to say hello.?

I would like to build my car form scratch, but I, and many others on this site, do not have the skills to build a car from start to finish. You do have a cool project...keep the pics coming.



David

[XLexusTech]

welcome I have read a few of your Threads on PT.
Here is some advice be a bit more open over here. I find it allot more friendly / less confrentational in these parts.
In addition although their are some of those high $$ ride here there seems to be less Vendor Hype here.

Good luck and pretend like you are in a new girlfriends fathers house. A hot one...

:cheers:

[Kendall Burleson]

Welcome I hope it better and you get the love over here:) :) :)

[motorheadmike]

welcome I have read a few of your Threads on PT.
Here is some advice be a bit more open over here. I find it allot more friendly / less confrentational in these parts.
In addition although their are some of those high $$ ride here there seems to be less Vendor Hype here.


That's what I am hoping for... I find vendor driven sites and their members to be a little irritating and to be easily butt-hurt. I may have already touched a nerve with Mr. Adams as he has had more than a few cars built for him in recent years.

The misconception is that I don't like expensive cars; I do. There is no denying the innovation of the artist who built it. I just can't hold a conversation with a person that doesn't turn their own wrenches, as there is no common ground or stories to share.

[HAULNSS]

I just can't hold a conversation with a person that doesn't turn their own wrenches, as there is no common ground or stories to share.

That sounds short sighted and a somewhat closed minded approach to a car website with such diverse members.

Good luck,
Randy

[Vegas69]

You have to keep in mind that not everyone has the knowledge or skills to build their own. Hell I can't sing or dance. I leave that to the professionals.:rofl: Sometimes you have to pass the torch. I will have completed 75% of my car but I know better than to try and do body work and paint or some interior because I just don't have the skills at this point. I highly doubt I will ever because I don't have the desire for either.

[Nvrenuf]

"If you didn't build it, its not yours"??? Can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't turn wrenches? Man, if you created the world, it would be a boring place.
What an intro. So I assume you built the house you live in? The cars you daily drive? The toilets you use? etc. etc. Man, you have a lot more time on your hands than I do. Short-sighted is an under-statement.

[Flash68]

Wow. What a piece of work....

[skatinjay27]

save that crap for pt.com... we dont like controvery over here and youll get the boot pretty quick if thats you intensions.
as much as people say its different reasons in the end its always jelousy and envy, just give it a rest... if you dont like that someone didnt build thier own car the fine, but that doesnt mean you need to run your mouth about it or make assumptions that they know nothing about cars. most of these guys just are older who have the money and not the time to do it, and they have higher expectations and wants for thier car beyond a "bolt on car" and they know they dont have the skill set to do it...nothing wrong with that.

[awr68]

I would say that many of the contract builds are for people that own/run their own business and have the money but no where near the time needed to put into a garage built car. Perhaps they have garage built in the past and can afford to pay for that higher quality build now. Really every car enthusiast has their own story and reason for sending their car to a shop...whether it be for paint or a complete build....nothing wrong with either.

[camcojb]

You cannot build a car for the price you can buy one for, apples to apples. So those that buy done cars are actually smarter than those of us who build them.............. :unibrow:

I enjoy building cars (for the most part :) ), but there have been many times I wished I could afford to just go buy what I wanted already done. Don't think it would make me less knowledgeable or less of an enthusiast.

Jody

[Flash68]

You cannot build a car for the price you can buy one for, apples to apples. So those that buy done cars are actually smarter than those of us who build them.............. :unibrow:



Great point, Jody. Whether building it one's self, or paying someone else to build it, many learn this lesson the hard way... :_paranoid

[Josh69]

I agree with Jody and Flash, I've learned one thing building my car...it takes alot of damn time and money starting from scratch! I learned alot, but I doubt I'll ever learn enough to build a car as nice as I wish it could be at the rate I'm going. I don't have the money to commission a build either, so I'm stuck in the middle. But if I did, I probably would! Have an open mind about it. Maybe I'd be less frustrated with the all consuming process and have more time to enjoy life itself.

Peace,
Josh

[COYBILT]

If you want it done right do it your self, or as much of it as you can.

[Musclerodz]

That's what I am hoping for... I find vendor driven sites and their members to be a little irritating and to be easily butt-hurt. I may have already touched a nerve with Mr. Adams as he has had more than a few cars built for him in recent years.

The misconception is that I don't like expensive cars; I do. There is no denying the innovation of the artist who built it. I just can't hold a conversation with a person that doesn't turn their own wrenches, as there is no common ground or stories to share.
Your not going to make many friends over here either with comments like that. I deal with owners building cars and owners having cars built and just because they are having it built doesn't mean they don't know their sh$t.

[Musclerodz]

You cannot build a car for the price you can buy one for, apples to apples. So those that buy done cars are actually smarter than those of us who build them.............. :unibrow:

I enjoy building cars (for the most part :) ), but there have been many times I wished I could afford to just go buy what I wanted already done. Don't think it would make me less knowledgeable or less of an enthusiast.

Jodywell put Jody

[motorheadmike]

If you want it done right do it your self, or as much of it as you can.

Exactly. Who is speaking in absolutes? I didn't suggest I was making my own spark plug wires or refining my own engine oil. Get a life with the semantics.

Could I have bought someone else’s project and been ahead of the game? Sure. But, at the same time I'd end up back tracking and fixing the many things I couldn't stand in order to personalize it; and that costs.

This is where the true enthusiast lies: http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=10699&highlight=garage+builds , the men and women who have busted their knuckles and made their mistakes, the ones who have really experienced their cars and the satisfaction of completing them with their own hands.

You know who you are when while sitting around on a Summer night bench racing and the conversation sounds like this: Remember that time we were dropping the new long block into the Camaro on Christmas Eve during a snow storm...? and not this: Man, remember that time that we were polishing our cars with diapers at the car show...?

If I sound a bit like a proletariat-elitist… good.

[Fluid Power]

Beat it Dude,

Darren

[XcYZ]

Well this won't be lasting long. :lol:

[skatinjay27]

If you want it done right do it your self, or as much of it as you can.yea your right cause shop like prodigy/dse/ironworks/ATS etc,etc
dont do it right...

what the hell makes you think your in a position do decide who a enthusiast and whos not?
i dont think your gonna fit in here either... cause with dont care whether this guy built it or bought it. here we like them all the same...and you seem to be incapable of that.

come on scott just give him the boot... he's not and has no intension to be a productive member of LAT-G... he's a troll at its finest.

[motorheadmike]

Well this won't be lasting long. :lol:

That's cool just lock up this thread. I'll go hang out in the "Garage Built" thread and play nice. :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Exactly. Who is speaking in absolutes? I didn't suggest I was making my own spark plug wires or refining my own engine oil. Get a life with the semantics.

If I sound a bit like a proletariat-elitist… good.

GOOD!!! So, it wasn't just me that wanted to reply to this thread. I read it early this morning and refrained from posting. Not many members had replied/read it yet, 'cause I was "just waiting" for the responses to come pouring in. And I'm glad they did!!!:thumbsup:
So, I guess I would be a "poser" car enthusiast because I cannot build my own car and want a resto-mod/pro-touring Camaro or Chevelle according to you, correct?? Well, that quote above pretty much sums it up; ARROGANT!!!!
Believe me motor"mouth"mike, because if I "COULD" build my own car, I "WOULD"!!

[XcYZ]

No, I won't lock it. People are free to express their opinions and I respect that and welcome that.

However, if a person uses their opinion as a personal attack, then they are not welcome here. I don't buy into crap of making a snide remarks and than adding a smiley face behind it as if it somehow makes it ok.

So it really boils down to either you want to be a part of this community and hang out with some very cool, kind, friendly, and genuine people, or you don't. If you demonstrate that you are unable to make that decision, I'll make it for you.

[motorheadmike]

No, I won't lock it. People are free to express their opinions and I respect that and welcome that.

However, if a person uses their opinion as a personal attack, then they are not welcome here. I don't buy into crap of making a snide remarks and than adding a smiley face behind it as if it somehow makes it ok.

So it really boils down to either you want to be a part of this community and hang out with some very cool, kind, friendly, and genuine people, or you don't. If you demonstrate that you are unable to make that decision, I'll make it for you.

Fair enough. I opened the can of worms and I'll manage them in a civil manner.

[motorheadmike]

GOOD!!! So, it wasn't just me that wanted to reply to this thread. I read it early this morning and refrained from posting. Not many members had replied/read it yet, 'cause I was "just waiting" for the responses to come pouring in. And I'm glad they did!!!:thumbsup:

You do understand that is a pack mentality, right? I can brave your comments if you care to make them directly. Don't feel you need to hide behind popular opinion to express yourself. I know I don't.


Believe me motor"mouth"mike, because if I "COULD" build my own car, I "WOULD"!!

Wow. That was original. :thumbsup: You do what is best for you, if that means buying/paying for a car go for it. I know you would have a greater appreciation for the car if you built it yourself. I wasn't born with the skills I have today; I watched with my mouth shut, took advice, asked the questions to fill the gaps in my knowledge base and made my mistakes. I encourage you to do the same, buy the tools as you need them and make the project your own.

If you'd like to have a serious debate without the name calling I am here.

[camcojb]

debate is fine, lets not resort to personal insults. Mike isn't.

Jody

[porkchop]

Hey Mike, you ever think we get to tied up in building a car that we want everybody to like instead of what we like.I'm the last guy that should be on this web site. I'm building a pro street 68 firebird with a overhead cam 6 and some weber side drafts Its not gonna be fast and surely not going cone killin,but its what I like. So set back check out some really coooool projects. and remember free your mind and your a$$ will follow.HAVE FUN!!!

[Theresa]

Anytime you make an introduction with a less agonistic approach, you're life expectancy here is longer.

[motorheadmike]

Hey Mike, you ever think we get to tied up in building a car that we want everybody to like instead of what we like.

If that were the case I wouldn't be Auto-Xing a Turbo Buick. ;)

Innovators set the trends, and because far too few people are willing to take the risks to follow their own heart's desires they rely upon trends and labels to allow them to fit in. Call it a sense of belonging, call it human nature.

I know my brother and I would talk your ear off about a car like yours because it is truly different.

[motorheadmike]

Anytime you make an introduction with a less agonistic approach, you're life expectancy here is longer.

Do you wake up each morning thinking that you should act or behave differently than you feel to protect the feelings of others?

I know I don't.

Maybe everyone should win at sports too?

[camcojb]

Do you wake up each morning thinking that you should act or behave differently than you feel to protect the feelings of others?

I know I don't.

Maybe everyone should win at sports too?

so you can do and act however you want on this board? Didn't know you owned it, thought Scott did. I don't think you'll enjoy this site, and invite you to try another that's more in line with your views.

Jody

[Theresa]

No. I don't. But I do project a certain common courtesy when introducing myself to others. Some who may have common beliefs as I, and some who may not. Hence...this forum. We don't judge here. We accept.

We accept those who build, we accept those who buy. The BELIEF is the common denominator. The belief that the end result is what is desired. Whether we built it, bought it or just admired it.

Please don't cast judgement.

Instead, simply look at the cars before you and get inspiration. Gather appreciation. Gain experience. No one proclaims to be "the end all, be all". We all appreciate what each other does.

The comparison to sports is silly. Are you looking to win? If so, "winning" is actually something we all have varied opinions of. Did you win by building? Did you win buy buying? Did you win by sharing? Did you win by experiencing? See? It's all relative, and we all pretty much share that here.

[Stuart Adams]

That's what I am hoping for... I find vendor driven sites and their members to be a little irritating and to be easily butt-hurt. I may have already touched a nerve with Mr. Adams as he has had more than a few cars built for him in recent years.

The misconception is that I don't like expensive cars; I do. There is no denying the innovation of the artist who built it. I just can't hold a conversation with a person that doesn't turn their own wrenches, as there is no common ground or stories to share.

You didn't touch a nerve at all. Always calm and collected here.
I was just trying to understand exactly what you said and who you are behind the computer. I guess we found out .

Alot of great builders and innovators around, sure would be a shame if they went broke because there was nobody like me to build cars for. You know the ones with no skills, just a wallett. I appreciate and respect all people who build their own and the builders that build for others.

I'm old and been around the block a few times, my advice would be take the high road and don't bash people personally, especially when trying to convince others about your one sided radical views.

[camcojb]

with that said, and since he's no longer a member here, I'll close the thread.

Jody