Whats wrong W/ GM

[coolwelder62]

A little over a year ago I stop in at a K.C Chevy dealer. I was looking at a new Z06 corvette. They had 3 units in stock when I inquired about pricing I was told to add 25,000.00 over their retail price which was alreally over Gms MSRP by 2,500.00.Making them about 100,000.00 plus tax. So I walked away thinking I wait until the new camaro comes out. Today I stoped by the same dealership to ask about the camaros deliverly time. I was told they had already persold 17 units of ther 20 unit alotment. They had 3 cars left to sell which would sell for 25,000.00 over there MSRP. They also had 2 ZR1's on the show room floor which were 35,000.00 over msrp . Chevy should pick up production of these cars And demand the dealers to only sell at Gm's MSRP. They might sell some units instead of scaring customers away.

[Huxsol81]

Greed - plain and simple.

[98ssnova]

Greed - plain and simple.

That and they know there are people out there willing to pay that really sucks becuase you really have a hard time finding a good deal that is both good for you and the dealership.

[JUSTANOVA]

Greed - plain and simple.


greed by that dealer, not gm. some dealers will refuse to sell over msrp while others will take as much as possible. i would try a diff. dealer myself.

[Nvrenuf]

You are definitely dealing with the wrong dealership. I haven't heard of one dealer going above msrp on camaro's yet. they won't be that hard to get ahold of.

[Jim Nilsen]

With the chance that they will be not be in the good graces of buyers they obviously don't get it.How can there be a loss on selling cars at GM with this going on?

Like others say, find another dealer.

I might be looking when they hit the floor and after I test drive one for real and feel what one is like I will order one and only if it is a car that feels like it looks. The car will sell itself and I want one built for me unless they actually have it together and have a yellow one with the right options on the lot.

I am not sure if I will need a V8 or if I will be happy with a V6 until I drive the V6. If the V6 does really good I will get one if not we will have to step up to a V8.

Good luck with your search for a good dealer and let us know how it goes.

[almcbri]

I always found the Dealerships at the Malls tend to up their price on MSRP. I always deal with the dealerships that are in the small towns with less overhead than the bigger dealerships. They will go out of their way to make a deal or at least that has been my experience in the past.

Jeff

http://www.kodakgallery.com/67rscamaro

Agree 100%. My family buys a lot of GM vehicles and we use a small town dealer. We tell him what we want and they will give you their price with zero haggle. I always price check and he is always under all the other dealers. Small town dealers are the way to go.

I laughed the other day we went into an automall to check out a new maxima for my mom and the salesman had zero knowledge of the car she was selling. I believe I taught her more about the car she was selling.

[Huxsol81]

greed by that dealer, not gm.

That was implied, all future messages will be accompanied with a disclaimer.

[JV69z/28]

Always beware of "the dealer posted price" instead of MSRP (manufacturers suggested retail price). Chances are if there is a "market adjustment" or an "ammended" window sticker you are not going to get the best deal or even a fair deal. It's mental gymnastics and time to find another dealer.

[trapin]

Today I stoped by the same dealership to ask about the camaros deliverly time. I was told they had already persold 17 units of ther 20 unit alotment. They had 3 cars left to sell which would sell for 25,000.00 over there MSRP. They also had 2 ZR1's on the show room floor which were 35,000.00 over msrp.

coolwelder, under that scenario I would probably advise telling the salesman that his mother is a 3 dollar whore before walking out and heading to another dealership. If it's true that 17 people are going to agree to pay $25,000 abover sticker for a new Camaro, then I want the phone numbers of those 17 people so I can sell them copies of my new "GET RICH QUICK" CASSETTE TAPE PROGRAM...YOU'RE SATISFACTION GUARANTEED OR YOUR MONEY BACK. PLEASE ALLOW 180 TO 270 DAYS FOR A FULL REFUND. ORDER NOW!!!!!

[coolwelder62]

Its sad to think that somone wants a ZR1 so bad they would pay 35,000.00 over sticker for one. Are they really that great of of car. You would think that the dealer ship would be happy just to sell a 115,000.00 car in these times. The salesman was kinda snobish when I ask the selling price. Because there was no window sticker in the car. So I geuss I will just keep what I have, And thats a sale GM will not get this month. If I was selling my product in this manner The groverment would step in and call it price gouging.

[trapin]

So I geuss I will just keep what I have, And thats a sale GM will not get this month.
Why would GM not get the sale? What's stopping you from going to another Chevy dealer?

[Jim Nilsen]

Hopefully when the cars hit the lots the dealers will be in a different mode of selling. Does anyone think that good deals are going to happen more now than later? If it is possible to get a better deal now from a dealer ,how would they guarantee it and how would you know? How would you even know if the dealer is going to be there? Not that I would worry about getting the car because the main supplier is not the dealer and the real contract is with GM.

To get mad about a car that you can't take delivery on immediately is just kind of premature to me.

What time are they promising the delivery date for them ?

Plenty of time for me to decide one way or another!!!

Yellow Camaro for a Silver Vibe, that's what I am thinking !!!

[oorange67]

These dealerships always forget that these cars that they try to price gouge us on are pleasure cars that we don't really need but I just let them know if they want to gouge me on my toys I won't buy my dd there either. I buy one or two cars a year and I don't mind driving a few miles to make my purchase after I waste there sales persons time showing me the car. Six months ago I went to place a deposit on a SRT Challenger at my local small town dealership, I was informed that they were taking bids on there allotment of three cars, I was willing to pay sticker and had cash, I told them I'd pass and purchased a 300C off ebay and saved myself 20 grand. They ended up dealer trading at least one of the three.... Maybe I'll never even buy one now that the new has worn off.... HA HA..... way to treat someone with money in thier pocket. I guess there is always some other sucker for them to make their money on.

[ProTouring442]

A little over a year ago I stop in at a K.C Chevy dealer. I was looking at a new Z06 corvette. They had 3 units in stock when I inquired about pricing I was told to add 25,000.00 over their retail price which was alreally over Gms MSRP by 2,500.00.Making them about 100,000.00 plus tax. So I walked away thinking I wait until the new camaro comes out. Today I stoped by the same dealership to ask about the camaros deliverly time. I was told they had already persold 17 units of ther 20 unit alotment. They had 3 cars left to sell which would sell for 25,000.00 over there MSRP. They also had 2 ZR1's on the show room floor which were 35,000.00 over msrp . Chevy should pick up production of these cars And demand the dealers to only sell at Gm's MSRP. They might sell some units instead of scaring customers away.

And so if several people wanted to buy your car, you would sell it to the lowest bidder, right?

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[ProTouring442]

I'm guessing I am the only one here that understands supply and demand. If they want to charge extra, and someone is willing to pay it, they are not overcharging!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[RussMS]

I have a bit of a counter-point Bill.

While I admit supply and demand will ultimately determine whether the dealer is successful in getting the $35,000 premium for a car, it does not take into account the opportunites lost due to the ill will created among coolwelder62 and others who feel the way he does when they see the premiums being charged.

While I doubt most of us would walk away from a purchase we wanted, anyone who did find the practice offensive may not buy from the dealer or may avoid the brand all together.

Just a thought. Its a free country and I personally have no problem with it.

[ProTouring442]

I have a bit of a counter-point Bill.

While I admit supply and demand will ultimately determine whether the dealer is successful in getting the $35,000 premium for a car, it does not take into account the opportunities lost due to the ill will created among coolwelder62 and others who feel the way he does when they see the premiums being charged.

While I doubt most of us would walk away from a purchase we wanted, anyone who did find the practice offensive may not buy from the dealer or may avoid the brand all together.

Just a thought. Its a free country and I personally have no problem with it.

And a very well made point I might add. I will admit that this one is a tricky situation, not only because of the current troubles GM dealers are facing, but also because of the very nature of new car sales today. We the consumer have made it very hard for a dealer to actually make money, our tendency to look to the lowest priced dealer for our car. We compound this when we then expect great service from the very same dealer! So when a dealer finds a product that people are actually willing to pay for, and thus give them a very substantial profit, I cannot help but understand why they go for it.

Of course, our fickleness is not limited to the automotive market. Thus far we have run out of business most of the good hardware stores, electronics stores, clothiers, etc. When we as the consumer will wake up to this, I don't know, but we better do so soon or we will be forced to purchase our cars from some website, and then to argue with a so-called "customer service rep" in India so we can schedule an appointment to have a warranty repair performed.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[pro-tour79]

agree with Bill here, what is amazing to me still is the car enthusiast that is used to going to swap meets and know how to deal, but they get to a dealership and they get mad at the price of a car they don't intend to buy, remember you don't own that car the dealer does, and the dealer sets the price, so it is very easy to shop for a car, know what you want to pay and make an honest offer and tell the salesman that you will buy it at your offer, just like at the swap meet, YOU MAKE AN HONEST OFFER! and if they say YES you BETTER be ready to hold your end of the deal!
BTW you may be told NO, so say thank you and be on your way OR, UP your offer.

[bigtyme1]

Thought I'd pass this on ,


UAW's Money-Squandering Corruptocracy
By Michelle Malkin, New York Times best selling author, nationally syndicated newspaper columnist and Fox News Channel Contributor
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. The UAW golfed. While carmakers soak up $17 billion in taxpayer bailout funds and demand more for their ailing industry, United Auto Workers bosses have wasted tens of millions of their workers' dues on gold-plated resorts and rotten investments. The labor organization's money-losing golf compound is just the tip of the iceberg.
The UAW owns and operates Black Lake Golf Course -- a "championship caliber" course opened in 2000 that's part of a larger "family education center" and retreat nestled in 1,000 acres of property in Onaway, Mich. Spearheaded by former UAW president Steve Yokich, the resort also includes "a beautiful gym with two full-sized basketball courts, an Olympic-size indoor pool, exercise and weight room, table-tennis and pool tables, a sauna, beaches, walking and bike trails, softball and soccer fields and a boat launch ramp." Like everything else we're subsidizing these days, the UAW's playground is a money pit. The Detroit Free Press reported earlier this year that the golf course (valued at $6 million) and education center (valued at $27 million) have together lost $23 million over the past five years. While membership in the union has plummeted, the UAW retains assets worth $1.2 billion.
Curious about how the UAW will be spending my money and yours, I sifted through the union's most recent annual report filed with the U.S. Department of Labor (which you can find at unionreports.gov). Who knew hitting the links was so central to the business of making cars?
In May and November 2007, the UAW forked over nearly $53,000 for union staff meetings at the Thousand Hills Golf Resort in Branson , Mo. In September 2007, the UAW dropped another $5,000 at the Lakes of Taylor Golf Club in Taylor, Mich., and another $9,000 at the Thunderbird Hills Golf Club in Huron, Ohio. Another bill for $5,772 showed up for the Branson, Mo. , golf resort. On Oct. 26, 2007, the union spent $5,000 on another "golf outing" in Detroit . In May and June 2007, UAW bosses spent nearly $11,000 on a golf tournament and related expenses at the Hawthorne Hill Country Club in Lima , Ohio . And in April 2007, the UAW spent $12,000 for a charity golf sponsorship in Dearborn , Mich. In August 2007, the UAW paid nearly $10,000 to its for-profit Black Lake golf course operator, UBG, for something itemized as "Golf 2007 Summer School." UBG had nearly $4.4 million worth of outstanding loans from the union. Another for-profit entity that runs the education center, UBE, had nearly $20 million in outstanding loans from the union.
Perhaps, the union bosses might argue, they need all this fresh air and exercise to clear their heads in order to make wise financial decisions on behalf of their workers. If only. UAW management has proven to be a money-squandering corruptocracy with faux blue-collar trim. Former UAW head Yokich, who built the Black Lake black hole, is also responsible for bidding $9.75 million of workers' funds in a botched bid to purchase the gated La Mancha Resort Village in Palm Springs . The 100-room walled resort with spas, poolside massages and a "croquet lawn lit for night use" was on the verge of bankruptcy with $5.2 million in debt. Despite outrage from rank-and-file union members who thought one gold-plated golf resort was quite enough, leaders defended the La Mancha bid because, as union spokesman Paul Krell put it, "'You can never tell if you are going to become snowbound." Always putting the workers first!

That deal didn't go through, but the UAW's quixotic dalliance with a failed airline did. In February 2000, the union poured $14.7 million into Pro Air, a Detroit start-up airline that, well, didn't get off the ground. Plagued by safety problems, the feds shuttered the company less than a year later. The union didn't fare much better in its venture with a liberal radio network. In 1996, union heavies got the bright idea to invest $5 million in United Broadcasting Network, a left-wing precursor to Air America that the UAW hoped to use to spread its corporate-bashing propaganda. They shelled out for a $2 million, state-of-the-art studio in Detroit and incurred years of losses of a reported $75,000 a month before closing the network down in 2003.
And while the UAW and carmakers cry poor, they've operated massive joint funds for years that have paid for lavish items such as multi-million-dollar NASCAR racer sponsorships and Las Vegas junkets. The dire economic downturn hasn't changed the behavior of profligate union bigs at the front office or the shop floor. Local Detroit TV station WDIV recently caught local UAW bosses Ron Seroka and Jim Modzelewski -- both of whom make six-figure salaries -- on tape squandering thousands of hours of overtime on such important labor security matters as on-the-clock beer runs and bowling tournaments.

At least the groveling Big Three CEOs gave up their corporate jets. Where's the public flogging for the greed-infested UAW fat cats reaching into our pockets to keep them afloat?

[ironworks]

I have wondered what the UAW executives make for a Salary.

[monza]

I hope they can a least swing a club and pull off a good round, but I doubt it...

[Moose]

You are definitely dealing with the wrong dealership. I haven't heard of one dealer going above msrp on camaro's yet. they won't be that hard to get ahold of.

I had two dealer quote me the dealer add on.. one was 3000$ and the other 6000$..

I refuse to pay over sticker.. I'll wait dont need anything that bad.:D

[3SuperSports]

I'm pretty sure I know what stealership you're talking about. Their service department sucks too. And they don't treat their loyal customers any better than any first timer off of the street.
It's not illegal for them to price the way they do, but it sure was cool when they got stuck with a bunch of overpriced SSR's right when GM decided to up the horsepower in the new ones.

[buickfunnycar.com]

GM's not the only one,this one just arrived at our dealership last friday (in an enclosed trailer I might add) and we added a $20K markup to it.Got $25K over for the last model:
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Making the asking price $102,295.
This is in line with what all the other dealers I'm talking to are asking...in this market,we shall see:
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[buickfunnycar.com]

I don't price 'em,I just sell 'em:yes: :
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[tones2SS]

WOW!!! That is CRAZY!!!!:wow: :faint:
That is one really nice looking car though and I'm not really a Ford fan.
How did it jump to 82K? From the sticker price to the 20k mark up it would have gone to 68k, correct? How did they get it to 82k then the mark up to 102k?
Just inquiring on how the dealerships can mark it up that much.
Thanks for taking the pics John!!!:thumbsup:

[ironworks]

" IF " I could afford 102k for a car I think I might just buy the ZR1.

[buickfunnycar.com]

WOW!!! That is CRAZY!!!!:wow: :faint:
That is one really nice looking car though and I'm not really a Ford fan.
How did it jump to 82K? From the sticker price to the 20k mark up it would have gone to 68k, correct? How did they get it to 82k then the mark up to 102k?
Just inquiring on how the dealerships can mark it up that much.
Thanks for taking the pics John!!!:thumbsup:

If you add the Ford factory MSRP ($46,630) with the Shelby sticker ($35,665),you get $82,295 + the $20K markup=$102,295.
Our Roush cars come the same way with a secondary sticker for the package.

And yes...if I was spending this kind of coin on a new performance car,you can bet your ass it'd be a ZR1.:yes:

[tones2SS]

If you add the Ford factory MSRP ($46,630) with the Shelby sticker ($35,665),you get $82,295 + the $20K markup=$102,295.
Our Roush cars come the same way with a secondary sticker for the package.

And yes...if I was spending this kind of coin on a new performance car,you can bet your ass it'd be a ZR1.:yes:

Now I get it.
Base price, 47k ,then the Shelby price of 36k AND THEN the mark up of 20k.
I'd get the ZR1 myself!!!:thumbsup:

[byebye67]

"waltzed" into a local dealership here, quoted 70K for 09 z06 off the bat, and willing to sell zr1 at sticker. so honest offer will be met with honest deals, i agree.

[Dayton]

...... Today I stoped by the same dealership to ask about the camaros deliverly time. I was told they had already persold 17 units of ther 20 unit alotment. They had 3 cars left to sell which would sell for 25,000.00 over there MSRP.

B-J just sold 2010 Camaro 000001 for north of $300k.
I seriously doubt 17 have been "sold". Truth be told, the dealer probably has $1000 deposits on 17. These 17 people are hoping that when d day gets closer, that maybe the hype for the new Camaro will cause the dealer to push mark up even higher than 25K. In that case, they win and they will purchase the car at 25k over MSRP,and, then resell and make a few bucks. If the reverse is true, they walk away and lose their $1000 deposit. Car dealers are all about shaking you down for as much money as you are willing to part with. Don't believe the puff and hype that 17 people have agreed to pay $25k over MSRP. That is BS. Like others have said, visit other dealers.

[andrewmp6]

Its all dealers not gm only.The Shelby mustangs have a nice fat mark up.When the pt cruiser came out there was a waiting list or pay a mark up.When ford change the body on the mustang to the one it is now there was a waiting list or pay the mark up.I have seen a 30k mark up on a viper before.I wouldn't buy a brand new car wait a year or two get the same car cheaper since its used.For a 100k im building a twin turbo ultima gtr or something.