335'S Cutting the wheels well, FRANK?

[bigtyme1]

OK a few last minutes things before paint. I will be putting 335's on the rear with DSE mini Tub and narrowed rear. Frank advised me to cut the upper wheel well about a 1/2 inch. Should I cut it clean or do I need to roll the lip?
I was thinking I did not need to cut anything for 335's but I want to do what ever before paint. I'm just concerned about the spot welds. How much will a rear axle really travel? Thanks Frank if you get this.

[awr68]

Can you still see the spot welds? How much can you cut before you get into the welds?

I wouldn't think you would need to trim them much if at all...but since you don't have your wheels yet it might be a good idea!

[bigtyme1]

It should only be around a 1/2 inch. I'm just not sure if I should roll the edge or cut it staight. I really don't want to roll it and take a chance cracking the primer or body work.

[mark smith]

I borrowed a friends eastwood lip roller and rolled mine after it was painted.didnt hurt anything

[ItDoRun]

It varies a little per car. I'm going through all these scenarios right now, as well. What size rim are you going with? I believe Frank told me the 335 on a 12" rim has a section width of 13.5" and on an 11.5" rim it has a section width of 13.2". I've heard to trim anywhere from 1/4" to 1/2", but it's better to cut a little too much than not enough, of course...especially before paint. I have the same question. I have repro quarters, so the factory spot welds are history and it's hard to tell the plug weld after is has been ground.

My car measures 14-1/8" from the inner DSE tub to the quarter lip at the 12o'clock position.

[68protouring454]

i would trim it 1/4 to 1/2 then roll at least from 10 o clock to 2 o clock as that is where it will rub, but if you have gone this far with the details in your car, i would roll the entire lip and body work it so it looks custom, not just a rolled lip
bodywork is alot easier now then blending in basecoat and re clearing back half of car.
goodluck
when doing a full build, i like to cut all but 1/4 inch of it, thenn form 3/16 round stock to wheel well and weld in, looks super, easy to weld and metal work and way cleaner then just rolling lip.

[bigtyme1]

I'm picking up a lip roller today. is the metal going to be to thick to roll where the 1/4 and outer wheel well meet?

[68protouring454]

yeah its thick, tony rapin just did his with jodys roller, he posted pics so you can see what it will look like.

[ProdigyCustoms]

No need to roll if you trim though. The outer wheel house is you first interference if you trim the lip to 1/2" or so. As for mounting your wheel well moulding, same problem weather you tim or roll, you still going to be relocating the top WW molding screw.

On 69s especially, because of the squareness of the wheel openiing, I have had outer panel damage trying to roll the lip. A 67 / 68 is much rounder and much more freindly to roll. If you try to roll instead of trim, you will need to relieve it at 10 and 2, then your going to have a ****ty looking tranasition, but I guess no one would see it.

If it were me I would trim, if you cut out the spot weld you could do a couple quick stitch weld on the inner / outer edge with a water rag on the outer panel. Maybe less chance of damage then rolling

I just went in the garage and poped you a quick pic showing exactly what I was telling you. 10 - 2 trim to 1/2". This is with a 345 / 30 / 19, it dont come no bigger or ride height no lower. Tire look fine to me.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC00175.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/RTTHIV092.jpg

[bigtyme1]

yeah its thick, tony rapin just did his with jodys roller, he posted pics so you can see what it will look like.

where is the post, I tried a search under Trapin

[bigtyme1]

Thanks Frank, I was wondering when you woke up. Must have gotten lucky this morning!

[ProdigyCustoms]

No, just bustin ass to get a couple cars ready for PRI. Another "I said I wasn't going to show deal". Call me.

[fesler]

If you want to do it right do it like Jakes said, cut it all weld in a new edge and be done with it, you will never need to touch it again. Cutting it at 10-2 is not the best look when you get on the ground and look under the car you will see the edge.

I will post some shots from the Nova we just did so you can see what we are talking about. The more room you can get the better because there are larger tires than the 345/30ZR19 and if you every want to go to a larger wheel this will be out of the way.

[ProdigyCustoms]

So I just went and laid on the ground and looked up at the 10 - 2 cut edge. I took a few shots.

Welding a bead is in a LOT of extra work including exterior panel work, and there is nothing UN right about trimming the edge.

Now on the front fenders......Entirely different story on this car. Yes we welded a bead because the strength was gone. On the rear quarter, tons of strength


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC00180.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC00179.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC00177.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC00175.jpg

[awr68]

Looks good Frank, appears to have plenty of room! I personally don't see the need to weld round bar in as it was a straight cut from GM. But I would like to see what Jake and Chris are talking about.

[ItDoRun]

Looks good Frank, appears to have plenty of room! I personally don't see the need to weld round bar in as it was a straight cut from GM. But I would like to see what Jake and Chris are talking about.

Me too. Pictures?

[Vegas69]

Who gets on the ground and looks at wheel lips? I'm a type A personality but a rear wheel lip wouldn't be my first priority. It looks goood to me....I think mine are similar. Not going to go out and crawl on my creeper to look with a flashlight though. LOL

[Steve68]

What Frank "shows" looks great, compared to what Chris "says" how it wont look good,

I plan on trimming mine but I dont have paint, and I think I can get .5 with no worries,


one other thing 3M Panel bond, no welding required...........

[bigtyme1]

I think eaither way will work great. The round stock sounds like a good option If I had thought about it a few months ago. But with me being so close to paint I think cuting and welding a few spots will be fine.

[awr68]

Mark, here's (http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34890&page=11) the thread showing Tony's rolled lips.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Mark, here's (http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34890&page=11) the thread showing Tony's rolled lips.

So anyway, like I was saying, trim!
I am not a fan of the bent lip look

Todd, you lyin SOB, you went straight to the garage to look at you well lips. I know you did!

[Vegas69]

Naaah.. I've spent plenty of time gazing at the sky in the last 6-8 months under that pig. LOL Broke a crapsman creeper right in half!

[awr68]

So anyway, like I was saying, trim!
I am not a fan of the bent lip look


I agree Frank, just wanted to show Mark what a rolled lip looks like as he was asking about the thread/pics.

[Steve68]

I had Bob(from Franks Prodigy) replace my quarters and outer wheel houses years back, I can trim .5" from both of my wheel wells,