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TonyG
11-01-2008, 12:13 AM
I found this on Youtube and thought it was interesting. I would like to see something similar with actual verbal instructions. I know this vid is sped up. I mainly would like to see the first steps in getting the basic outline. I am guessing it was hand rendered and scanned in as a background layer.

Enjoy.

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Detroit Express
11-01-2008, 12:46 AM
thats pretty cool but its a lot harder than it looks

that guy was probably using one of those tablets you can draw on

quite the crappy choice in music by him though :p hahah

TonyG
11-01-2008, 01:02 AM
oh i agree. I know it is a lot harder. I am no newbie to photoshop; I just know that if I had a good tutorial to watch a couple of times I could do it.

I used to do design and typesetting for a few yrs. I graduated from Al Collins Graphic Design school back in 99 but haven't messed with this stuff seriously for about 5 yrs. I still have the software and am looking to do renderings for myself, friends, and the shop I work for part-time.

TonyG
11-01-2008, 01:30 AM
another video that shows working over a hand rendered, scanned in pic.
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Detroit Express
11-01-2008, 01:59 AM
if you're interested in doing this kind of thing and you've got some spare cash, pick up a wacom intuos pad (or a cintiq display if you've got a bunch more to spare)

they make drawing on 10000x easier and much more "fun" than a mouse haha

TonyG
11-01-2008, 02:05 AM
well, i am on a laptop and this mouse sure makes it a pain..lol. I have been thinking of getting a desktop later on just for this kind of work sometime in the future.

CarterHickmanDesigns
11-01-2008, 05:45 AM
The first video is from Harald Belker's DVD. I own several from this series and they have all been worth it to me. I like to refer to them as "my brain in a box"

Harald Belker (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/hbe02.html)

Hdesign
11-01-2008, 07:19 AM
The Belker series is great, I've got a couple. He reminds me a lot of Syd Mead with all the Sci Fi prop and set design work.

Those tutorials are a close representation of how I do my work, no tablet for me though. I do a lot more masking and probably have 5 times the number of layers that were shown. I usually end up somewhere around 100, especially if the project is very design intensive.

city_ofthe_south
11-03-2008, 07:22 AM
Curiosity killed the cat .... in the second vid, you'll see him draw really blocky shapes and then you see him right click when he rounds the corners off. Are the right click and the rounded corners related? Can anyone tell me what he's doing there? I normally draw my shapes more or less right from the get go rather than rough first and tweak second, but if he's doing something that saves time, I'd like to know. Thanks for posting these, good stuff.

DiasDesign
11-03-2008, 11:22 AM
Hey all,

I'm the author of the second video. I saw a link to this forum in the "Insight" section of my video, and I opened it by curiosity :) Thanks for posting it!

city_ofthe_south: What I do is basically what you said... I draw a rough shape of what I want and in the next move I draw it more accurately. It's just my way to do it, I don't know if it's faster...

What you see in the corners is simple: First I draw, for example, a 90º corner with a single anchor point. Then I add two anchor points in each side of it. The 1st anchor point is then deleted which will give you a rounded corner that you can open or close with the anchor points you've added. The right clicks you see it's me adding the anchor points to the Path. It gives you more control in some forms, like for example the headlights/taillights that you see in the movie.

Was it clear? Any help that I can give you just ask :thumbsup:

By the way, nice renderings.

Cheers

city_ofthe_south
11-03-2008, 12:21 PM
Hey all,

I'm the author of the second video. I saw a link to this forum in the "Insight" section of my video, and I opened it by curiosity :) Thanks for posting it!

city_ofthe_south: What I do is basically what you said... I draw a rough shape of what I want and in the next move I draw it more accurately. It's just my way to do it, I don't know if it's faster...

What you see in the corners is simple: First I draw, for example, a 90º corner with a single anchor point. Then I add two anchor points in each side of it. The 1st anchor point is then deleted which will give you a rounded corner that you can open or close with the anchor points you've added. The right clicks you see it's me adding the anchor points to the Path. It gives you more control in some forms, like for example the headlights/taillights that you see in the movie.

Was it clear? Any help that I can give you just ask :thumbsup:

By the way, nice renderings.

Cheers

Dang, couldn't get any better than the artist himself. I follow you 100% and it makes sense. If I were coming to that corner I would click in the last point in Ai or alt click I think in PS. This way when I pull the next curve it has no impact on the one before. Lots of ways to get things done with Adobe products and it's always interesting to learn a new one. Great video.

TonyG
11-03-2008, 12:49 PM
Dang, couldn't get any better than the artist himself. I follow you 100% and it makes sense. If I were coming to that corner I would click in the last point in Ai or alt click I think in PS. This way when I pull the next curve it has no impact on the one before. Lots of ways to get things done with Adobe products and it's always interesting to learn a new one. Great video.

This is the way I have done it typically.

Thanks also for the author of the video for chiming in.

DiasDesign
11-03-2008, 01:04 PM
No problem mates :)
I'm here to help and to discuss new techiques... We're always learning something new.
Yeah I know that technique, but you know...when we stick to one it's hard to leave it sometimes lol

By the way, I'm from Portugal-Europe and I'm 25 :) nice to "meet" you all!

Cheers :thumbsup:

TonyG
11-03-2008, 01:06 PM
Welcome.. there are lots of great artists here and a few not-so-great like me trying to get there.

DiasDesign
11-03-2008, 01:13 PM
Thanks TonyG.

Yeah I've seen some really cool sketches/renderings in this site, I will stick here for some time probably :D
Do you have any online portfolio TonyG?

SRD Art
11-03-2008, 05:29 PM
Cool stuff. Tutorials are a good thing. I noticed in the first one looked like he was using the dodge and burn tool. That's one I've been experimenting with a lot lately for the same type of effects. Before I'd change the paint color and go over it with the darker or lighter color. Now I've seen the light! ;) It's so much quicker with the D/B tools...

We used Wacoms in school and they're awesome. I have an el cheapo pad from Aiptek that I use. I picked it up when I was getting started and it's still going strong. Eventually I'd like the Wacom but budget says cheap is good for now. Check this link. http://www.aiptek.com/ Go to PC tablets. Sorry all you fruity guys :lol: :_paranoid , PC's only. I've got the 12000U. Works great for my needs and is 1,000,000,000 X better than a mouse. Occasionally they sell refurbished models even cheaper. I remember the Wacom being more pressure sensitive and a little more precise, but this works great for now. It's a perfect starter pad for you guys that haven't experienced one.

Another thing that I use that helps is I recently picked up a free monitor from a friend that upgraded his. I now have dual 14" monitors, and I have my art on the one in front of me and my tools and i-tunes or my folder or whatever on the right. On that small of a screen having no tools on my art board not taking up space makes a huge difference, and I love being able to migrate through folders or have an example photo from the web on the other side to reference without minimizing all the time. Just food for thought. :D

TonyG
11-04-2008, 07:09 PM
I am going to search for the tablet you mentioned right now.

I only used a straight edge on the baseline and no elipse tool or french curve. I have looked for both locally with no luck. I may look for it online.

ZVT
11-05-2008, 02:59 PM
Dang, couldn't get any better than the artist himself. I follow you 100% and it makes sense. If I were coming to that corner I would click in the last point in Ai or alt click I think in PS. This way when I pull the next curve it has no impact on the one before. Lots of ways to get things done with Adobe products and it's always interesting to learn a new one. Great video.

FUnny how we all really use the same technique that is almost exactly how I do it.I dont use the dodge and burn though I do my highlights and shadows on separate layers maybe thats why I ahve so many damn layers whne I am done.LOL

city_ofthe_south
11-06-2008, 10:21 AM
FUnny how we all really use the same technique that is almost exactly how I do it.I dont use the dodge and burn though I do my highlights and shadows on separate layers maybe thats why I ahve so many damn layers whne I am done.LOL

Just shows that it's not the tools that make the art. Everyone here works in at least similar ways with the same tools but with totally different, unique results. The dodge and burn might not work for you Zee, you just keep doing what you're doing cause it kicks heavy ass. hehe.