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[hannes_slanec]

Hello Members, that time I have a big problem!

A guy at eBay.com scammed me when I have bought my Dart 320 cylinder heads (2000$).

First he told me stories about he got to wait for the payment to be cleared, what ever that means.

He wanted to get a mail from me with a confermation from the bank that the money is cleared but that was a postal money order.

After I started to complain that I have bought more than 300 items from the states and I have never heard about that nonsence he stoped replying.

Once I called him :bah:, he probably did not expect me to call him, and he picked.
When I asekd what´s wrong with him he told me he is in stress but will come in touch tomorrow and will explain what happened.
Of course no contact anymore.

I was contacting some laywers but only one came in touch, I choose the low offices from the state he lives, should be Indianapolis

(5069 Pine Hill Drive
Noblesville IN
46 062 USA)
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The lawyer I was talking with told me usually he takes 225$ per hour but for me he do it for 175$, what a nice guy , is´nt he

I asked him how many hours that should take and he ment he dont know but if the seller does not pay I have too

What a nonsence, if he takes 175$ per hour and he charge me for 10 hours (after all I cannot control the hours) I already pay what the heads was and if he is not succesful I have twice the loss, what a sucking deal

Who got an idea what to do or who is a lawer that could give him a call, I am sure that guy will not risk a trial.

Very important, how can I contact the police to report him to scam me?

Even if you got another idea or if you have a deal for me tell me, I am open for any idea.

For me it is also ok if some bad boys solve the problem, just tell me what the deal is.

Thanks Hannes / [email protected]



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[ProTouring442]

How did you pay?

As for the lawyer, if he is charging you an hourly rate, he is telling you that he doesn't think the attempt is worth hiring a lawyer. You could always file a small claims suit against him yourself.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[rich-allen]

This is exactly why I don't buy from ebay.
I will buy from ebay if and only if the seller has a long reputation of good sales without negatives.

[Ketzer]

Unless you paid by credit card, that money is GONE. Any more money you spend trying to get satisfaction is gone/wasted.

You should definately report him to ebay (they won't do anything), report him to the police in his area (they won't do anything) and to the BBB if he was a business. Beyond that, you are only making yourself sad. You have been scammed, learn the tough lesson and move forward.

If the moderators allowed, you could post his ebay and personal info here. To make sure no other members bought from this person. In addition, some people have real skill and take a certain evil delight in taking the personal info of a douche bag and applying some creativity to the payback of these individuals, anonomously, of course.

[Van B]

How about posting his name and phone number? From how I have seen members respond to someone in need around here, I wouldn't doubt if someone who lives nearby to him went and paid him a little visit. :unibrow:

[rich-allen]

Last year I bought a transmission from the lateral-g classifieds. The guy was a total scammer and ripped me off for $1k.
When I started to raise hell about it, members from LS1-tech posted that the very same guy ripped members off from their website as well.

Since I used paypal for the transaction I figured I was safe... WRONG. Paypal didn't do squat other than write a letter to the guy asking for his side of the story.
I googled internet crime reporting for the state of IL (where the scammer lived), they internet crimes department was extremely helpful. I sent them links of the classified AD on lat-g and LS1tech.com. They also took copies of email correspondence and the paypal transaction.
The police told me to stop payment on the CC I used to fund the paypal account, Paypal through a fit because I basically told them to shove it.

Three weeks later the DA office for IL called me about the crime. They said they were doing their very best to get thios scum bag for the crime.
2 weeks later I get home from work to find a transmission Ion my door step.
I called the internet crimes office and told them about recieving the transmission and they told me that they threatened the guy with either delivering the trans or going to jail.

I have to give Tyler from ATS a lot of credit for finding this guy, aparently this clown tried to scam Tyler out of some parts by giving him a credit card.
Of course Tyler had his phone number and passed it along to me.

As for the transmission that arrived after I got my money back, the internals were thrashed badly. It needed a complete rebuild with everything replaced.

I learned a few things from that transaction; never use paypal and never pay with anything except a credit card. Even if you have to buy MO, buy them with a CC. You can always cancel the payment and let the CC company deal with it.

[Fluid Power]

Last year I bought a transmission from the lateral-g classifieds. The guy was a total scammer and ripped me off for $1k.
When I started to raise hell about it, members from LS1-tech posted that the very same guy ripped members off from their website as well.

Since I used paypal for the transaction I figured I was safe... WRONG. Paypal didn't do squat other than write a letter to the guy asking for his side of the story.
I googled internet crime reporting for the state of IL (where the scammer lived), they internet crimes department was extremely helpful. I sent them links of the classified AD on lat-g and LS1tech.com. They also took copies of email correspondence and the paypal transaction.
The police told me to stop payment on the CC I used to fund the paypal account, Paypal through a fit because I basically told them to shove it.

Three weeks later the DA office for IL called me about the crime. They said they were doing their very best to get thios scum bag for the crime.
2 weeks later I get home from work to find a transmission Ion my door step.
I called the internet crimes office and told them about recieving the transmission and they told me that they threatened the guy with either delivering the trans or going to jail.

I have to give Tyler from ATS a lot of credit for finding this guy, aparently this clown tried to scam Tyler out of some parts by giving him a credit card.
Of course Tyler had his phone number and passed it along to me.

As for the transmission that arrived after I got my money back, the internals were thrashed badly. It needed a complete rebuild with everything replaced.

I learned a few things from that transaction; never use paypal and never pay with anything except a credit card. Even if you have to buy MO, buy them with a CC. You can always cancel the payment and let the CC company deal with it.


Good luck buying a money order with a credit card. They (the business selling MO) figured that scam out a long time ago, it won't happen.

Darren

[Ketzer]

Hey Rich, was that Paypal incident recent? I went through the same exact deal on some wheels a few years ago. Paypal wouldn't do anything and banned me after I had to handle it myself via chargeback. BUT, I had a similar deal a few months ago and they were a lot more inclined to side with the buyer this time. Probably because they now know we can get our money back regardless. I did have to put together a pretty detailed transaction history w/emails, reciepts, pics, estimates, etc. but the CC company listened.


Jeff-

*edit* I see it was last year, reading to dang fast! Paypal is supposed to be getting better but I wouldn't count on it.

[rich-allen]

Jeff,

That happened roughly 13 months ago today.

The fine print on Paypal website that you cannot cancel your credit card or you will be liable for the amount of the transaction.
The problem is, paypal doesn't have a legal leg to stand on if you don't receive your merchandise.

My CC didn't have a problem giving me back my money. After filing the claim it took 48 hours for them to yank the money from Paypal. :yes:

Tyler, Mastercard and the Illinois internet crimes got my money and taught me a very important lesson about buying stuff online. Even in the classifieds here.

Note: the guy that scammed me had 155 posts under his belt here and twice that at LS1tech. He also scammed people from two different toyota supra websites. They start posting and within 6 months have enough posts to look legit. It's really F** up!

Rich

[jy211]

Post up the guys name and address. I am sure someone here knows someone close by that will go talk to this piece of sh1t...

[Ketzer]

I have seen on other car forums where folks have really gone after these scumbag types. Found out and verified where they lived, posted pics of the house, cars, etc. Found out where their day job was and posted that with phone numbers. Just be careful, you never know what you're getting into.

[deuce_454]

I had that happen to me too, bought a transmission from a guy in NY allong with a ton of parts, only the tranny and converter showed up and he had cheated me out of 1500 dollars of parts.. i posted his name here, and he even postes an excuse right here on lateral g and promised to send me the stuff.. now a year later i still havent gotten my stuff, and he is on my short list... now if only i were a postal worker id know what to do!

[ProTouring442]

I have paid via paypal with a credit card and canceled the transaction via the credit card company with no difficulties. I supplied a very long list of information to both paypal and my CC company, and all seemed to have gone OK.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[tyoneal]

I have been through this myself, and I can tell you, if you will take the time to document everything and contact the Attorney General of the US, and the Attorney General of the state the guy lives in, then contact ebay with the copies of what you sent, who you sent them to, and copies of the money orders. They will get on the ball and shut that MF down.

Be sure and call the money order people with the stubs and get copies of the cashed money orders sent to you when you put your package together. That will confirm that the money was sent and cashed by the party you are making a complaint about.

It is a federal crime to use the US Post to commit fraud and I think it is a felony. By leaning on the state Attorney General they can start the process a bit quicker being local and will do so, when they know the US AG has also been contacted.

This will get the ball rolling for you. It will take a bit of time but it is worth it even if you don't get your money back, which you might be able too since it's only a couple thousand bucks vs. going to court for a felony charge.

I dealt with an asshole in Florida that pulled a scam on a number of folks. The State AG was aware of the person before I even contacted him. That guy, and his wife are in jail, and they almost lost their kids to foster care, but the Grand Parents took the kids.

Be sure and send everything certified and return receipt so you can document that it was received and when it got there. Nothing gets lost that way, and they will know you are serious.

When you write your letters, put the certified number on the top of the letter as well before you send it out. In case the envelope and the letter get separated in the office.

Write a demand letter to the person who screwed you by doing the same thing first, (Demand letter with supporting documents and certified with Return Receipt), and be sure to CC. at the bottom of the page the people you are intending to copy if the turd doesn't come through. Give a specific amount of time when they must comply with your demand. I think it is 30 days, but check the US and State sites to make sure.

That in itself might be enough for him to know he has opened a bag of worms with you. The Government will follow through if the proper paths are taken, as will ebay. However unless you do it officially, there is no incentive for them to do anything because you could be a crank for all they know.

By sending out all of this paperwork, they have no choice but to move on it.

I'm not an attorney, but I damn sure paid for one and this is the track I was told to take. It got the ball rolling as well as some heads. :-)

All the contact numbers and the information needed to get this started, is on the internet. Use it and get rolling the sooner the better.

Good Luck,

Ty

BTW: If you do have to hire an Attorney to file any paperwork for a lawsuit, be sure and do it quickly in your town. If it ever has to be defended, They will have to come to your state to address the court. Otherwise it might be the other way around.

[ProTouring442]

I have been... ...other way around.

Great advice! Thanks for the write up!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[norcal68]

I also had this happened to me with Ebay/PayPal. About 2 years ago, I bought a plasma from the guy in Phoenix, AZ. I was out $2500.00 and PayPal was a f!@#$%ing joke, BBB, State AG, nor local television station was able to help me. But I kept on contacting the Phoenix Police department and finally some detective was able to take the report and did a follow up. I was lucky enough to get all my $2500 back in installment payments, but at least I got it all back. So the moral of this is keep calling the police department and be persistent in asking for help. This will eventually get resolved.

Good luck,

[hannes_slanec]

Hello friends, after some of you gave me the advice to contact the police in Noblesville I did so and a criminal cop named John Bunch came in touch.

After some weeks that the scammer tried to come out of his responseability he sent the cylinder heads now to my friend in Alabama.

They even arrived but I still need his description of the containt of the box since I would not doubt that the rip off artist sent me a pair of bricks of bit flower pots:willy:

Now my friend told me the shipping to Vienna/Austira/Europe would be 500-700USD since the post office told him the item is to heavy.

As far as I am informed the heads got 37lbs, that seems not to be soooo much, maybe it is just me.

Now I think about a seperate shippings for each head.

Is one of you from Alabama and could help me to get a shipping quote.

That must be cheaper.

I have bought a hidden headlight assembly for my 68 Impala including the front profile that is f......g big (just as width and tall as the front of the entire car is).
That piece and another box with all the parts else was not even 200$.

Gratefull for any hint.

Thanks for your time and every member that shared my pain in a hard time

:bow: - YOU REALLY HELPED ME A LOT -:bow:

:lateral:

[Josh69]

I'm not from Alabama, so no help there, but I bet you could ship them cheaper individually, and maybe remove the rockers if they are on there to prevent damage. I think the weight limit is like 40lbs, so if each head is 37lbs, you should be able to have them sent normally. I would have your friend build a small wooden crate for each head. I shipped a fuel injection scoop once in cardboard, and UPS shattered it...and that was a heavy duty peice of aluminum. Good luck, glad you got the heads!

[svp]

I'm in Alabama near Birmingham. But this wouldn't be state specific....have your friend or you can contact DHL, they ship internationally(actually effective Jan 1st they will ONLY ship internationally) and they should be able to get them to you reasonably I would think. I know some countries are quite expensive to ship to though. If you have trouble there send me a note as I have a friend nearby who builds turbochargers and does a bit of international shipping and he may be able to help.

[mazspeed]

Go down there and kill him.

[hannes_slanec]

I'm in Alabama near Birmingham. But this wouldn't be state specific....have your friend or you can contact DHL, they ship internationally(actually effective Jan 1st they will ONLY ship internationally) and they should be able to get them to you reasonably I would think. I know some countries are quite expensive to ship to though. If you have trouble there send me a note as I have a friend nearby who builds turbochargers and does a bit of international shipping and he may be able to help.

That would be very nice.

Does you friend also sell used, remanufactured turbos? I would need a pair, but would also need an advice which ones are the right for a 540BBC.
Turbos should make boost from 3500-4000 on.

If he sells used ones I can let him know all the specs.

Thanks Hannes

Ps, To ask him for the shipping would be very nice. I am from Vienna/Austria/Europe.

[svp]

Sent you a PM with his email address.;)