Hey AWR68 Tell us about what happened!

[Spiffav8]

Anthony,

I think you need to let everyone in on what happened to you and your project. It's important that the good people of Lateral-G, know about guys like Chris at Race Rodz and how he took advantage of you. It's a messed up story and a real buzz kill on a killer project.

I know that more than a few have asked you about it. Time to tell the whole story buddy.

[Vegas69]

Say it's not so:(

[Young Gun]

whoooooooooa? I lurk normally but i saw anthony's project and loved it...this is the second time i have heard less than good results =-/

[rjsjea]

I heard what happended and agree....it needs to be a post

[Steve1968LS2]

Cue dramatic music........

[98ssnova]

What happen to the project. I hope he didn't get taken to cleaners that suxs if he did

[72 RS/SS]

We're waiting...

[skatinjay27]

I heard what happended and agree....it needs to be a postx2 just got the short story though...

wheres ned?

[Young Gun]

x2 just got the short story though...

wheres ned?

somebody wanna pm me the short version?

[Steve1968LS2]

I just got the story and that has to be one of the most messed up deals I've heard in a while.

Man, so many unetical, shady, lazy, good for nothing shops out there... :mad:

Let me know if I can help....

[rocketrod]

somebody wanna pm me the short version?

X2....

[98ssnova]

hey Curits pm me the short version your killing me

[96z28ss]

Yeah its a messed up story.
I also told Tony to make a post. He really didn't want to cause its really not going to help him get the car fixed. Chris and racerodz are no longer around and I doubt Chris will be working on cars anymore. You just have to do your homework I guess and pray that it doesn't go wrong when picking a body shop.

[DOOM]

Can someone give a short version of what happened?

[Young Gun]

Really sad that something like this happens...

[96z28ss]

I'm sure Tony will come here and give the long or short story just give him some time.
I'm sure he is probably eating dinner or answering a ton of phone calls on the subject.:lol:

[skatinjay27]

I'm sure Tony will come here and give the long or short story just give him some time.
I'm sure he is probably eating dinner or answering a ton of phone calls on the subject.:lol:yea lol i bet his ringing like crazy... you can thank curtis, anthony

[Spiffav8]

He's at dinner with the wife.

I know he will tell everyone what happened. I think it will be good for the guy to vent a little. We all know Anthony and what a great guy he is.

[parsonsj]

We all know Anthony and what a great guy he is. Damn straight. Sounds like really bad news... sorry to hear it.

jp

[ironworks]

Is this the same guy or shop that had issues with with the work done on his cuda?

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=12659&page=10

As much as I'm not one for dragging any body through the mudd, no matter what they do. I do think there are many things that can be learned from each others experiences. I'm also thinking there is common problem here if this is the same shop.

Good luck on getting your issues straighten out and don't let these hurdles whatever they maybe ruin your passion.

[Steve1968LS2]

And the key to picking a shop?

MULTIPLE RECENT REFERENCES

I can't believe there are so many bad ones... really sad in a way.

[tjbruning]

Yeah its a messed up story.
I also told Tony to make a post. He really didn't want to cause its really not going to help him get the car fixed. Chris and racerodz are no longer around and I doubt Chris will be working on cars anymore. You just have to do your homework I guess and pray that it doesn't go wrong when picking a body shop.

Props to Anthony for maintaining a positive attitude through all of this. Couldn't of happened to a more undeserving person.... :(

[awr68]

Ok guys it's been just over two weeks since the car made it home and I have wanted to let you all know what happened, but didn't quite know how to do it really. It's good I didn't post the first night as I was REAL fired up! I didn't want to add drama or negative talk to the site, or make me sound like a winer at the same time. But here's the story, I will try to keep it short as some of you know I like to talk! :lol:

Chris looked the car over a couple Novembers ago as it was mocked up and thought about the job for a few weeks before giving me a price....not estimate, price to do the work. So he knew what was to be done. What was to be done you ask? Good question! Since I painted the bottom of the car and frame those areas were finished. He needed to do final fitment of sheetmetal, gap the car, align everything and drill 1/8" holes to make rehanging easier if I ever needed to, do body work, paint and polish all exterior surfaces, paint interior and engine bay factory black, paint trunk grey/black splatter, detail the car, assemble grill, and finally deliver me the car. All work to be done in 2-4 months to show the world that a car/paint job like this doesn't need to sit in paint jail for a year or more. Also, I should add that Race Rodz was a new business that needed press and cars at shows to promote the shop. Since we are both in Oregon we thought we could help eachother out and he gave me a good price for the type of quality I was to get..."highly detailed street rod type job...not Riddler quality, but nice".

So I took the car down 8/11/07 as he asked and work began! He worked on it steadily for a couple months then work slowed down as he had to do other jobs to pay the bills. I didn't have a problem with this as he always led me to believe the car would be done as planned and I knew he was a struggling new business. He finally got the car painted in Nov. and it looked good in the pics, but I wasn't digging the tri-color splattered blue trunk when I ordered grey/black like DSE does. I expected to have the car early Dec. and certainly by Christmas...didn't happen! I finally received the car just after New Years. At first I thought it looked good (keep in mind it was a dark rainy night)untill I noticed all the polishing compound everywhere and all the scratches that weren't sanded out, and the orange peel texture that was everywhere! Then Chris pointed out the multiple areas that he burnt while polishing, the wavy door, and that he forgot to bring all the parts and the grill still wasn't even painted....but that was all suppose to not matter since I have a cool one off spoiler...which I still like and he needed rent money! When I asked why he would drive 300 miles (one way) to deliver such a job he said that everything could be fixed right before we took it to SEMA. I'm no painter and had my doubts, but I took his word, paid him in full with a tip, filled his truck's tank and sent him on his way.

A couple-few days later I called him and said that my wife and I had been looking over the car, made a list of all the issues, and thought the job needed to be redone...there simply was just too much wrong with the car...he agreed and said he wasn't happy with it either. But said that he need to do Ned's Cuda before he could redo my car, but that would be good as the weather would be wormer and the paint would be cured, and this time I would be happy with the job! I knew Ned needed to get his car back home asap and didn't want to postpone that so I agreed and delivered my car 3/15/08 for the "2-3 week repaint/polish". I thought Chris was going to fix the car and all would be well so I didn't go public with all this.

Well, Ned's car didn't get done on time and Chris worked on mine some but not a lot as he wasn't getting paid this time and the material bill was coming out of his pocket...no real drive anymore. He did a lot of other jobs over the next few months to pay bills...meanwhile Ned and I wait! Finally we had enough and made him commit to dates that our cars would be finished...he didn't make either date!

I actually agreed when asked if I could wait an extra few days so Ned would get his done on time...still didn't get it done! Ned finally got his car and you all know how well that went! Trust me Ned has every reason to be pissed!

So now life sucks for Chris and it has been a bad time since he started his business so he decided to look into CNC machine school and plans to start in the fall! Now he has no drive for his business, gets out of his lease and closes shop! Yep I get to wait while he moves out of his shop...there goes another week or so! All the time being told that the car is looking good and it will just be a couple more days before it's finished. My hands are tied as I don't want to just go pick it up and take it to another shop if he can get it done right in just another two days...so I wait. I tell him I am emotionally fried, lost just about all interest in this project, and just need to have it home. He tells me I will have it by the end of the weekend...this was on Thursday and that sounded doable since he "just had a couple days work left". Well at 8pm Sunday I called him and he was still at home! 300 miles away! I don't need a visitor at 1am so I told him to get some rest and be at my house Monday 3:30pm when I get home from work, he thanked me said the car was looking good this time and that he would be at my house when I got there.

So I'm on my way home from work and give him a call to see where he's at and he doesn't answer, nor has he ever returned the missed call! I round the corner of my street to see my car sitting in the driveway and all the parts just sitting inside! No one is home and he just left the car! WTF!!!!! A car of that value and you just leave it!? So I get out and look the car over, now I know why he didn't answer the call...he dropped the ball again big time! He drove 300 miles with painted parts only wrapped in painters film bouncing on the floor....can you say chipped paint! He never finished the grill paint work! The car's seam sealer is way heavy, it litterly fills the joints and looks terrible and this could have been redone before paint!! The car has sand scratches all over it. Fish eyes. He didn't repaint the spoiler and it was burnt last time and looks like hell and the color doesn't even match! The hood isn't aligned, no alignment holes and I'm not sure it even fits like it should...both times it came home the hood never was really 'installed'. The trunk was reshot in black this time, still not the finish I wanted, and is pealing off! And there are easily half a dozen things I asked to fix that he never even worked on! All in all He spent 5 months storing my car, paying for materials, and putting in hours....just to deliver less than exceptable results! And never has tried to call or email to see if all is good.

So now after a year of dealing with a want-a-be that clearly over sold himself and abilities, I'm left with a blown paint budget, lost time, and I'm pretty sure the car needs to be repainted...again! From what I have been told it will cost a grand to wet block the car to prep for paint, and then I get to pay for the paint job! Oh yeah...good times over here!!

If there is anything good it's the front sheetmetal alignment (not sure about the hood), and the bodywork in general looks good...the car is actually real straight...other than the PS door that still is wavy! The trunk is going to be a bitch to fix, but I think other than lots of money and more time to invest the new paint job will go well.

Right now I'm talking with a few shops trying to weigh out my options and I will go from there! Don't really have a choice....just have to move on! The crappy thing is that it's been 6.5 years now on this project and I was so looking forward to final assembly! :(

I want to thank all L-g members for being such good friends of mine and I will keep you all up to date with the progress! I guess that turned into the looooong version....sorry!! :lateral: :cheers:

[Vegas69]

Speechless man....I wondered why you never posted updates. Has to be a real struggle to keep a good attitude. If it was easy everyone would have one. Keep your head up and it will all work out.:cheers:

[7TSS]

Sorry to hear about the car. As the saying goes...What goes around comes around. Chris will get what's coming to him sooner or later. Good luck and hope the next shop does a stand-up job.

[Spiffav8]

Anthony your just to nice. I know you've left a few things out and that your pulling your punches. Keep the faith brother, it will get done and it will be one bad mo-fo!

:cheers:

[96z28ss]

In my eyes he is a big piece of $hit.
I mean he wasn't man enough to meet you at your house.
He leaves the car in your driveway with it full of car parts out in the open.

The 2 cars on this board that had work done neither of the customers got what they were told they were getting.


Tony, after looking at your car, and thinking about it some more at home.
I would pay to have the car all stripped down and started over.
I would be afraid that the body work under the paint wasn't done right either. Who knows what he did to the metal to prep it for the plastic filler.
What if you pay to get it repainted and a year later the stuff starts to bubble up on you or start rusting.
Too much invested at this point to try and just cover whats there.

[class67]

That is CHICKEN S_ _T!

I am really sorry to hear that. Stick in there though.

[Tom.A]

Anthony,

Sorry to hear about this. It really is sad that we always hear and see these things happen. It sounds like you have accepted what happened and you are already looking forward. I wish you the best and hope this story has a happy ending. :thumbsup:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

man..

why is everyone so reserved about letting the rest know about all the SH IT shops out there!

..

there are a FEW that we have let slide.. but REALLY man..
We gotta put each other in the know!

and what chris needs to do..

http://smiliesftw.com/x/suicide.gif

[Flash68]

Anthony, you're a better man than I am. Hang in there brother....

[redfire69]

Anthony, you're a better man than I am. Hang in there brother....

X2... time to take a step back and re-group...

[deuce32]

sorry to hear this < it is a hard game picking a shop .. press on and get that car finished and all your wounds will heal in time as your blasting down the road :thumbsup:

[bigtyme1]

Wish I could have seen the car while I was there this year. I was hoping we could just buff most of it out but it sounds worse then that. JUst hang in there and don't give up. If you were a little closer we could jump on it together, sound like the big stuff is done just needs the fine tunning and re-shot.

[tones2SS]

Sorry to hear about what had happened Anthony. REALLY SUCKS!!!
This after you pay the "jerk" in full and fill his gas tank for him, which you didn't need to do. Sounds like something I would do as well, just to be a nice guy & appreciate the hard work/effort someone has put into helping me build my car. I WOULD BE FURIOUS to say the least!!!!
Sounds like this "jerk" was just using your car as a ginuea pig of some sorts?
Again, sorry to hear what had happened & hope all works out well for you and your project.:thumbsup:

[ProdigyCustoms]

I wish you were closer. It would already be fixed!

We just need a transportation sponsor!

[XcYZ]

It still just blows me away that Chris would abandon your car and your parts in the driveway with nobody around then run like hell before you showed up. That says everything about his class and character.

On a positive note, it's really cool to see the support you have here, Tony. It's obvious that everyone who has talked/worked with you has a very high opinion of you. :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

I feel really bad for Tony, and really feel like I dodged a bullet with my car. Chris came down to look at mine for paint, and the only reason the Chevelle didn't end up there too was because I balked at his quote.

I think Chris tried to do the kind of job Tony wanted. I just don't think he's a body and paint guy and he shouldn't have represented himself as one to myself or Tony. If mine had turned out like Tony's it would likely have been the end of that project for me. I give Tony big props for hanging in there on this deal.

Jody

[awr68]

Thanks for all the kind words guys! This has been a real trying year for me and in the end I feel very used and that he took something from me. I will move on and the car will get fixed and finished....somehow.

Curtis is right, I did leave out some of the drama. Didn't think Scott's great site needed all of it!

Again thanks for all the kind words and interest in my little project!

[jimhamptons]

Sorry to hear about all that. Glad to hear the car and your vision will still come to a successful conclusion.

[DOOM]

Wow this is horrible!! And being in this buisness it kills me to see this happen! I wish you were in my area I would be more than happy to help you out of this. Tony if you need any materials (primers paint paper..etc) please let me no man I'll be happy to send it to ya on me. Anything to help you get this thing done!!!!!! Please PM me if you need anything.
Mario

[Autokraft]

Anthony, sorry to hear about this. I too was wondering why no updates and now I know why. Sure wish you were closer, I would love to help out here.
Hang in there bud

[MarkM66]

Race Rodz, give him a refund!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve1968LS2]

So now after a year of dealing with a want-a-be that clearly over sold himself and abilities, I'm left with a blown paint budget, lost time, and I'm pretty sure the car needs to be repainted...again! From what I have been told it will cost a grand to wet block the car to prep for paint, and then I get to pay for the paint job! Oh yeah...good times over here!!

If there is anything good it's the front sheetmetal alignment (not sure about the hood), and the bodywork in general looks good...the car is actually real straight...other than the PS door that still is wavy! The trunk is going to be a bitch to fix, but I think other than lots of money and more time to invest the new paint job will go well.

Right now I'm talking with a few shops trying to weigh out my options and I will go from there! Don't really have a choice....just have to move on! The crappy thing is that it's been 6.5 years now on this project and I was so looking forward to final assembly! :(

I want to thank all L-g members for being such good friends of mine and I will keep you all up to date with the progress! I guess that turned into the looooong version....sorry!! :lateral: :cheers:

Shoot me a call... :)

Good shops are HARD to find.. I guess that's why I drive 80 miles each way to BOS for all my paint stuff and stories.

[Blake Foster]

check your PM
this all sucks

[ItDoRun]

Tony,
Man, after hearing the entire story, it makes me want to fly up there and add some drama to Scott's site!

And to leave the car in your driveway with parts piled up inside! I still can't believe he did that. Does he not realize that these are not just cars, they're investments! Look at the time and money we dump into these things.

I've got to go cool off. My blood is boiling right now!

Keep us posted.

Chris

[tones2SS]

Wow this is horrible!! And being in this buisness it kills me to see this happen! I wish you were in my area I would be more than happy to help you out of this. Tony if you need any materials (primers paint paper..etc) please let me no man I'll be happy to send it to ya on me. Anything to help you get this thing done!!!!!! Please PM me if you need anything.
Mario

Now that's a class act right there!!!
Good man Mario!:thumbsup:

[rich-allen]

With all the trouble, time, money and wait; I have a feeling this is going to work out for you. Karma always seems to help the good guys when their down and out.
Loads of great people on this site.

Keep the faith brother,

Rich

[Jr]

Tony,
You are one hell of a guy. Keep your head up...:thumbsup:

[DRJDVM's '69]

Hey Guys...

Yes that was my car at Race Rodz too.....

Tony and I both got screwed, but I think Tony got the worst of it. At least my car is still in metal and so far all the stuff I've found can be fixed. Its just gonna be more time and more $$, but its all fixable. Having the car in paint really makes it alot harder....alos who knows whats hiding under it.

Back in Nov last year I was looking for a shop to do some metal work and made a post on here. Got a few replies and started doing some inquiries. Alot of the shops were pretty far away and basically couldnt give me a reasonable estimate without seeing the car or their price was just too high for my budget or their shop was full and they werent taking anymore projects etc.

So Tony contacted me about Race Rodz. He was very happy with Chris at that time and we talked on the phone for quite awhile. At the time he had nothing but good things to say about how is project was going. At the time Jody was also looking at having Chris paint Malitude. Chris was also making a spoiler for Penny. I gave him a call and we talked about the project and he was going to be coming through my area soon, so he could look at the car in person and give me a quote. He stopped by Jody's also....

When he came over he seemed like a nice guy and I asked alot of questions....he seemed like he had alot of metal fab knowledge and seemed like he was really motivated to make a name for himself on the west coast.

We talked alot about getting the car alot of exposure and helping build his reputation. Just like Tony, it seemed like we could both benefit from working together.

After talking with some other shops and Chris some more, I decided to give him a chance. I took the car up in Dec and was hoping to see Tony car all done. When we got there it was still being wet-sanded and was covered in compound etc, so it was pretty hard to evaluate. The sheetmetal looked pretty straight and well aligned etc.

So my car was supposed to be about 2 months.... I figured at least 3-4, so the saga began. At first he made some good progress and I got alot of updates. He hand fabbed the tubs and they looked pretty good, so I felt like I was in the hands of a good metal fab guy. Felt comfortable early on......

Then about 3 months in, the updates slowed and the progress slowed.....many many promises of the "finnish date" came and went. Every time I talked to him, I felt really comfortable that he was commited to everything.

Then in April/May I find out he's going back to school to be a CNC operator. He's struggling to pay the bills and support a new family. That was a really kick in the gut. I felt really uneasy at that point. His reasoning was that he was having a hard time keeping the cash flow going since he was commited to doing quality work. He couldnt get himself to rush stuff and do crap work so things took alot of time and when projects arent leaving in a timely fashion, theres no cash flow. He assured me that he was still doing his best work on my car and we were about 80% done at that point, so I didnt pull the car......

Well I picked up the car about a month ago and you can read my other post....its real rough but fixable. Not happy but not devasted either....its metal and it can be fixed. More $$ and more time, but it can be fixed

So, to sum it up , both Tony and I got sucked into the enthusiasm of a young builder that wanted to build a reputation for himself. He seemed very commited and appeared to have the skills. We took a chance and lost......

I didnt feel the need to get on here and rip Chris apart... theres no point......his shop is now closed up, he's back in school and wont be a pro car builder again........ so trashing his reputation wont spare anyone the grief Tony and I are feeling. Dont get me wrong... I'm pissed, but ranting and raving isnt gonna fix my car.

To all the shops I talked to that post on this board...... you we're right...... there may be lower price shops, but you get what you pay for........

Places like IronWorks, Fesler, Bruning etc are worth every penny....its just that some of us dont have that many pennies and need to try and work on a smaller budget.

So my plans.....fix what I can myself, and then I've been talking to TJ at Bruning to see about bringing my car to them to finnsih and improve the metal work...as for paint.....Best in Show is my choice right now, but thats a good year away....

My car will be top notch if it kills me.....

[ArisESQ]

maaaaan, that is really really crappy.

i was actually just thinking about your car the past week, and wanted to message you and see how it was going since i hadn't seen any updates in a long while. i guess i can see why now :<

to be honest with you, the unfortunate truth is that there are a lot of really shady people that are not deserving of your trust in this industry. it seems like there are a lot of guys who are more than willing to test your good will for their own benefit. thats not to saythat there arent fantastically awesome and helpful people here too, like steve, the guys at prodigy, and the creators and supporters of this site!

race rodz basically used you guys as a way to see what his life as a fabricator could be like, and if it was something that he even wanted to do. i guess when the stress got too high from him he just ditched everything that he promised and went on to "bigger and better" things. i hope his boyfriend is proud of him.

[surreyboy]

sorry to hear about your ordeal, im sure most of use have dealt with incompetent and unethical shops, it took me a few tries but im lucky enough now to be at a place where the work is done for the price quoted or less and the work is done to my satisfaction.It took alot of years and wasted money to get to this point though.hopefully someone local to you steps up and gives you good deal.

[V8TV]

That sucks Tony. Let us know if we can help in any way.

- KO

[Steve1968LS2]

...as for paint.....Best in Show is my choice right now, but thats a good year away....

My car will be top notch if it kills me.....

Well you won't be dissapointed in Best Of Show... great guys. Let me know when it does go there and I can shoot some cool stuff on it there.

This "cheaper isn't always" deal comes up a lot. BOS will quote a job and then the guy comes back and says "XYZ shop will do it for half!"... Later on they find out the the experince at XYZ shop was a cluster you-know-what and that customer had to pay to have it fixed.

Stuff costs what stuff costs and if you get a dirt cheap bid then they HAVE TO cut corners someplace.

Cheap isn't good and good isn't cheap. :shrug:

[Musclerodz]

That sucks Anthony. I know that wasn't the story when we talked at SEMA. Too bad your not closer. Let me know if you need anything.

Mike

[rsk68]

Damn Tony I'm realy sorry you had to deal with all of that, I thought I had problems with a 10 month paint jail, my issues were nothing compared to this, best of luck on your recovery from this ordeal.

[Nine Ball]

What a mess. Post up this guy's full name so that future Google searches will find it and this thread. What a coward, dropping your car off like that.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Hey Steve, I got a great story idea...........

All we need is your trucking connection and Prodigy Customs and................

[awr68]

Wow this is horrible!! And being in this buisness it kills me to see this happen! I wish you were in my area I would be more than happy to help you out of this. Tony if you need any materials (primers paint paper..etc) please let me no man I'll be happy to send it to ya on me. Anything to help you get this thing done!!!!!! Please PM me if you need anything.
Mario

WOW Mario! That is quite an offer and I just may take you up on it...I'll let ya know!!

It's funny how far Oregon is from everyone! I do appreciate all the "if you were closer" posts...all you guys are the best!!

Right now I'm talking with Bruning Auto Design and thanks to Steve Rupp, Best of Show.

[ProdigyCustoms]

You are in very good hands then

[awr68]

You are in very good hands then


Yeah, wish you were closer, I know you would do me right! :cheers:

[4mm]

What a mess. Post up this guy's full name so that future Google searches will find it and this thread. What a coward, dropping your car off like that.

I agree with what Tony says. Also he is still lurking around here:
RaceRodz
Last Activity: 08-19-2008 03:52 AM

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

you know hes reading this thread...


hey coward.. heres a message from all of us.. to all of you.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/109412277_acc4af0f71.jpg

with love..

[Spiffav8]

you know hes reading this thread...


hey coward.. heres a message from all of us.. to all of you.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/109412277_acc4af0f71.jpg

with love..

OMG that's funny! :rofl:

My hats off to you brother! Well played and I second it!

[72 RS/SS]

That's funny, I just sprayed my drink all over the screen.

[Over Actor]

That sucks to hear, Good luck with your car hopefully it will be on the road soon.

[zbugger]

Damn Anthony, you got screwed. I hope he straightens himself out, but that's just f****d up what he did to you. Jackass for sure.

...It's funny how far Oregon is from everyone! I do appreciate all the "if you were closer" posts...all you guys are the best!!...

Well, how's this. If I had the skills, I'd help you out. But I don't, so I won't. But I do hope you get everything settled soon. You really deserve better.

[awr68]

What a mess. Post up this guy's full name so that future Google searches will find it and this thread. What a coward, dropping your car off like that.

Christopher Deshane owner of Race Rodz

[Nova-Mann]

Tony, you have worked harder on your dream than anyone that I know. In my heart I know that a just God won't let this happen without some sort of compensation. I don't think I would want to be this guy on judgement day!:willy: :omg:

I'll be over soon to see you! It's been too long. I'll call tom--------------actually right now!

[DaveO]

Man Tony, this sucks - needless to say I was shocked when you pm'd me about this and I still can't believe it! I AM nearby so if you need free labor to help remedy the situation, you know where to find me!

[Flash68]

wow, i log in after a couple days to find several pages of being called a low life POS that is just out to take advantage of people and screw them outa their hard earned money..... thats great.

soooooo not that it really matters i guess i should point out a few things.

#1 yes, "race rodz" is no longer, i am done working on anything that i dont own. while i had big dreams of becoming a top notch shop on the west coast, several factors stopped this from happening. i bit off way more than i could chew agreeing to do jobs way too cheap for the time involved to do the job right....and then sticking to the prices i gave up front. lesson learned is i have no business trying to run my own shop.

#2 anthony's car was to be the first of many high profile projects, as such i agreed to do the car for a grand total of $7300 including materials, knowing i would have way more time in it to make it to the level tony and i wanted the car to be at, but figured it would be more of an investment into the shops future.... while i dont think i intended to take advantage of him and screw him, apparently this is how it sounds to everybody else hearing one side of the story.

#3 as we talked on the phone the night before, i told him the car would be in his driveway by 3:30 when he got off work and headed home, because he had plans and no time to spare. as i said it would be there before he got home, the car was there at about 2:30. i did leave it so i could make it out of pdx before the traffic got bad....i guess i was expected to sit around for an hour and a half and wait for him to show up.... however i didnt feel there was anything to talk about, since a few days earlier the conversation was he was burnt out waiting for it, and "just wanted the f***ing car home"

#4 i think neds cuda should be addressed here also, again i dont feel that i set out to screw anybody, i didnt even charge for alot of the add ons, and knocked his final payment in half.......as he was unhappy with point of "finishing".... again, i just wanted to make a guy a deal and have him be happy with the end result.... which obviously isnt the case.

i really dont know what else to say, an appology at this point is pretty meaningless to the bridges burnt. if i had the means i would gladly give refunds on labor charges....but the bottom line is im piss broke, in debt up to my eyeballs, and contemplating bankrupcy other than i cant even afford to do that. im looking for work and just trying to keep food on my families table and a roof over our heads. according to the general concencus, is exactly where i deserve to be.

so for what its worth, i am truely sorry to both tony and ned, i never intended to take advantage of anybody, nor did i want to screw anybody out of a single dollar.... i was just trying to make an honest living doing what every single person on this site is so passionate about, building bad ass cars.

i think i have said everything i need to say,

chris deshane... former owner of race rodz

I guess you can be commended for coming back on here and posting something. I'd call it a 3/4 apology myself.

And I don't see where anyone on here has accused you of planning to defraud these guys of their hard earned money. I haven't read that. You are right about the fact that it just didn't work out and you were not up to the task of delivering said product. If you had any spare money, you should give it to Anthony.

But the leaving the car in his driveway part with scratched up parts laying in it is just unacceptable and you damn well know it. You should have faced the music then and there and parted ways. Hell, he tipped you and filled your tank with gas the 1st time you didn't deliver. Anthony is a well respected member of this place and has been for a long time. You? Not so much.

What a bummer for Anthony..... and Ned. And everyone.

I'm done. I'm sure others will be piling on shortly.

[Vegas69]

__________

[Spiffav8]

Chris I am so angry with you it actually surprises me. Mainly because I liked you and thought you where a stand up guy. The kind of guy that takes care of those that take care of him. I want you to know that I'd be just as pissed if I didn't know Anthony or Ned.

All of us can understand hard times and the stress that life some times unfairly brings, but this isn't about any of that. The one thing no one here will accept is the way you handled the situation. Anthony was more than patient and understanding. He repeatedly gave you a second chance. Even towards the end he defended you, he believed in you, guarded and trusted you. How do you repay him...by spitting in his face. You can take your sob story and shove it! You know, that had you been honest with Anthony when the car came back or at any time after that, he would have understood. Instead you dump his car in his driveway? WTF! Super low, especially for a guy that claims to have a passion for hot rods. Your lucky Anthony is such a nice guy. He's refrained from telling everyone all the details and wouldn't have even posted if I hadn't pushed him. You have no idea how hurt and upset he and his FAMILY are. You made his wife cry! UNFORGIVABLE! You have no idea what they've gone through to accomplish this project...none.

It's time for you to take a serious look at where you at in life and realize it's time to stop screwing around and grow up. You are the cause of your current situation and have no one else to blame. Your a father...time to start acting like an adult you dick.

[DOOM]

Curtis well said ! I do'nt think there is anymore that could be said on this.This guy had a great chance to make a name for himself and BLEW IT!!! If I had the chance this guy had I would of worked 24/7 to make this happen. $7300.00 is a small price to pay to get the attention these two cars would have gotten him. Its called PAYING YOUR DUES!!!!! And im sure if he called Tony and said it was going to be a couple grand or so more I do'nt think it would have been a problem,if Tony was seeing some consistent progress on the car. It always amazies me how people have to justify to them self they did nothing wrong. So saying you never intended to wrong these people or screw them all I have to say is ITS YOUR LIE YOU CAN TELL HOWEVER YOU WANT!!! :mad: So to Tony my offer stands whatever you need im ready.
Mario

[Steve Chryssos]

Broken dreams--all around, for sure. Shattered is a better word. Paint and body is neither cheap nor easy and the same holds true for starting a business. Running a business is hard, starting a business is damn near impossible.

There IS a way to find a little positive result from this. Create a sticky with sage advice on selecting and managing an outsourced project such as body and paint. Choose one established shop with a proven track record to lead the discussion and then allow other shops to post follow up advice, tips, suggestions. Many of us have been burned by outsourced labor--be it paint, engine, or fab work. Let's help those who follow in our footsteps to avoid the same pitfalls. Those suggestions should also help budding entrepreneurs to get it right the first time as well.

My favorite suggestion?

Twilight Zone Syndrome: Visit the shop 1 year ahead of project drop off date to inspect shop. Then visit again at six months prior to have another look. If the same projects are present and progress has not been made, RUN AWAY!

[rich-allen]

Opening and successfully running a small business is a huge feat and not for the faint of heart. You must understand that the business is more about the client and the product than yourself, that's where people always fail.

I think lurking around throughout the day and finally posting a defensive half assed excuse at 12:00 PM shows the lack of respect and unwillingness to confront the situation.

A person with any morals would have stopped the bleeding long before he did.


Rich

[XcYZ]

Jennifer asked that I would post this on her behalf:

Dear Lateral-g Members,

I can not begin to express how much all of you mean to Tony. He has kept his head up after this last blow with the paint issue by not allowing himself to feel the devastation. This site and all its members have carried him through the hard times, the low times and now this black hole of despair.

We treated Chris with the respect, patients and understanding. We sent him our Shell card to pay for his gas on his first trip up and filled up his tank for the trip home. We gave him tons of baby clothes, toys, two car seats and a play pen in an effort to subsidize the great deal he was giving us. And as you all have seen from his track record, no thank you was ever spoken.

Tony takes so much pride in helping others. All the late nights spent researching and working at getting the correct answer to what ever questions was asked of him. When the car came home he just could not understand why this was happening to him, what had he done to deserve this. Well, maybe we wasted a year and $8000 to learn that being a good guy does pay off. Karma will come back to you. You all have proven that with your kind words and out pouring of help. Again, I can not thank you enough for your offers to help him fix the damage done to his dream. You all have really brought out the strong emotions he has been trying to hold back.

Thank You,
Jennifer Rose

[Young Gun]

Nothing has changed in my mind. My deepest condolences to Tony for having to deal with something as horrible as this. You are way too good of a guy to deserve something like this. You go out of your way to help other people and while you have been screwed over, something good will happen. People like you have good things coming to you Tony! We are here for you and feel for you.

[Jimmy Sean]

http://www.motifake.com/motivational_posters/cf4edea24a.gif

[radrambler]

wow
after reading all of this thread its a terrible story that can happen to any of us.some here have already been through it before.
all of us spend our extra money on our cars/dreams and all of us share the hobby via this great forum.
feeling the emotion of this and knowing the money you cant get back
i would hate to be left in this position....ive seen several offers to help with
getting car .
nothing will get done by beating the dead horse with are own feelings getting posted . it does suck beyond words .thats my 2 cents
LETS GET TOGETHER AND TURN THIS INTO A POSITIVE thread.we can make this happen if the focus is turned torward getting this car refinished.
im willing to chip in (couple hundred dollars) torward some transport cost to help turn this situation around.thats the best i can do personally.
i dont know this man but being apart of this forum kinda makes it like a family.we all usually help family...
hope others feel the same way.

radrambler

[Spiffav8]

Rambler you are one cool guy! Your offer to pitch in and help, along with those from other members is heart warming and I know it has helped Anthony and Jen a great deal.

I've talked to Anthony a lot the last few days. The car is going to be moved to a shop in So-Cal where things will be fixed and done right. This isn't 100% free and will cost Anthony around 4k. An awesome price, but it totally kills the already strained funds needed to finish the car. We all know how little things like AN fittings and fuel line can add up quick. Many of you have already donated parts he needs or offered to help in other ways. However, Anthony has his pride and feels funny about asking for what he needs. He doesn't want to be a charity, but could use our help. So if you want to lend a hand perhaps it would be best to contact our buddy Steve Rupp with your offer. You know he will put whatever we give to good use. I know that any way we can help off set the cost of fixing what should have been done right the first time it was paid for will come back to us. Not saying we should finish the car for him, but rather help our good friend get back on track so he can finish it.



:lateral: :cheers:

[Steve1968LS2]

I can chip in a few bucks.. maybe set up a pay-pal deal for those that want to kick in a bit.

Any one of us could end up in this crappy situation.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

Man, If we could have a stand up presidential candidate like Mario, Frank , or some of u others wouldn't every body want to vote!!!!!! :hail:

Hey Tony and Ned, i know this won't heal the wounds, but because i found this forum and all u guys , there was a light at the end of my tunnel nightmare this week!! i joined couple months ago because of my problems with synister!! in the middle of that thread--here comes C. Fesler out of no where and offers up a great deal on a billet specialties front drive setup(should be here monday) Real great people to deal with!! would never have known about it without the turmoil i had w/synister!! There is some justice to those of us who take people for their word!! I still catch myself looking over my shoulder with other vendors since i got burned -but in time that will heal too!! There are some great guys w/ great shops on this forum that make us all proud and let us forget the ones that aren't!! After all , we may be located all over the country but family sticks together!!!

jim :lateral:

[Spiffav8]

I can chip in a few bucks.. maybe set up a pay-pal deal for those that want to kick in a bit.

Any one of us could end up in this crappy situation.

Steve I think that's a great idea! Let me know when it's set up and I'll add to the pot.

:thumbsup:

[Van B]

I'll kick in some if it helps.

My dad has a situation like this brewing on a 55 he has being built in Missouri. The guy quoted too low a price and now updates are few and excuses and unreturned calls are many. We'll see what happens. Right now there is $50k out half a country away from where dad lives.

I'm not sure what I'll do if it goes bad.

[Flash68]

Yes, please post the paypal account here when you get it setup, Steve.

Hey Chris Deshane, maybe you should pitch in a few bucks too eh?

I hated reading that bit from Anthony's wife about giving Chris baby toys and supplies. That is freaking unbelievable. Chris are about the lowest of the low. Anthony wasn't a customer of yours - he was likely YOUR best friend. Sad.

[Steve1968LS2]

Yes, please post the paypal account here when you get it setup, Steve.

Hey Chris Deshane, maybe you should pitch in a few bucks too eh?

I hated reading that bit from Anthony's wife about giving Chris baby toys and supplies. That is freaking unbelievable. Chris are about the lowest of the low. Anthony wasn't a customer of yours - he was likely YOUR best friend. Sad.


I'm PAYPAL illiterate.. maybe Scott the computer nerd could do it. lol

[Flash68]

I'm PAYPAL illiterate.. maybe Scott the computer nerd could do it. lol

LOL! I can gladly do it if you'd like. Use paypal all the time. Steve I will PM you about details...

[radrambler]

curtis

no problem,glad i can help. if he has a shop lined up great.
.a new thread needs to be started and as steven rupp suggested use a pay-pal account for that shop .so we can donate what we can .one thing thats gonna come up is "trust". it should be posted to that thread how much does come in torward this shop bill just to keep us members informed of what comes in ...
i know i wouldnt ask for help either but if we can make this the new focus and for tony and his wife it will show finishing the car and being in the car hobby is truly worth it .
one reason i love being in the car hobby is all the great people i have come to know.

radrambler

[c5denny69]

Hi Tony

I have never met you, but you are a friend of one of Customers (David) that we are doing a 69 Camaro for. He sent me this link today & I just finished reading it.
I don't want to get in the way of any deal you have going for or with a shop. But I am close to you & would be willing to come out for free & take a look at your car & see if I can be of any help.
I feel really bad for what has hapened to you on your project.
I love to hear about all the support & all the help the members of this site have offered. It is great to see.

I hope I can be of help. Look forward to meeting you some time.

Denny Finn
Finns Restoration & Custom
Molalla Oregon, 97038 (503)829-8488

[Steve1968LS2]

curtis

no problem,glad i can help. if he has a shop lined up great.
.a new thread needs to be started and as steven rupp suggested use a pay-pal account for that shop .so we can donate what we can .one thing thats gonna come up is "trust". it should be posted to that thread how much does come in torward this shop bill just to keep us members informed of what comes in ...
i know i wouldnt ask for help either but if we can make this the new focus and for tony and his wife it will show finishing the car and being in the car hobby is truly worth it .
one reason i love being in the car hobby is all the great people i have come to know.

radrambler

I don't want to put that on the shop. Maybe Scott could organize it? We all trust him.

Plus, due to my job, I don't want to be the recipient of any cash. Could look bad.

I plan on spending 16 hours sanding off the old stuff so that Anthony saves that labor. Anyone wanna come help? lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Hi Tony

I have never met you, but you are a friend of one of Customers (David) that we are doing a 69 Camaro for. He sent me this link today & I just finished reading it.
I don't want to get in the way of any deal you have going for or with a shop. But I am close to you & would be willing to come out for free & take a look at your car & see if I can be of any help.
I feel really bad for what has hapened to you on your project.
I love to hear about all the support & all the help the members of this site have offered. It is great to see.

I hope I can be of help. Look forward to meeting you some time.

Denny Finn
Finns Restoration & Custom
Molalla Oregon, 97038 (503)829-8488

That's a nice offer, Anthony knows he is better off to find a close shop. Just saves $$$ that can be put into fixing the car.

Again, I'm sure Tony will be up for you checking out the car.

[bigtyme1]

Like I said ealier, I wish I was closer I'd love to help. Unfortunatley I'm the kinda gut the gives up my own time to help others but I get more reward out of it that way. You guys let me know when pay pal is set up and I'll be glad to chip in. Anthony has spent many nights on the phone with me, if anything just keeping me awake so I could keep working.:lol: Good chance I'll be in town sometime after the first of the year so maybe I can help with assembly.

[Spiffav8]

curtis

no problem,glad i can help. if he has a shop lined up great.
.a new thread needs to be started and as steven rupp suggested use a pay-pal account for that shop .so we can donate what we can .one thing thats gonna come up is "trust". it should be posted to that thread how much does come in torward this shop bill just to keep us members informed of what comes in ...
i know i wouldnt ask for help either but if we can make this the new focus and for tony and his wife it will show finishing the car and being in the car hobby is truly worth it .
one reason i love being in the car hobby is all the great people i have come to know.

radrambler

You've brought up some good ideas. I think a cap on the amount donated is appropriate. The quote to fix the damage was 4k if I'm not mistaken and I think that would be plenty. Not sure if Pay Pal can be set up to go directly to the shop, but that wouldn't be a bad thing. Best of Show will be doing the work and they didn't get there rep by screwing customers. A thread to follow the progress is a great idea, as is posting where the funds are used. Steve if you want to keep that updated, seeing as your closer to this than most, I think that would be great. If not I'm willing to do it or perhaps Anthony can.

This is actually a really cool thing. I'm sure that when Anthony gets home and finds out what's going on he will be over whelmed. It's sure to get him motivated and all revved up about his car once again. Heck...he might even be speechless for once. :lol:

[Spiffav8]

I don't want to put that on the shop. Maybe Scott could organize it? We all trust him.

Plus, due to my job, I don't want to be the recipient of any cash. Could look bad.

I plan on spending 16 hours sanding off the old stuff so that Anthony saves that labor. Anyone wanna come help? lol


Your right. I think Scott is perfect and yes we all trust him.

I'll come help as soon as I get back from recurrent. If you some one will put me up for a night or two I'll stay till it's totally sanded down.

[radrambler]

steven

i see your points...yours ,with the money and the shop handling the deal.
maybe tony already has a pay-pal account...its all linked to a bank account so the person recieving has to set it up with their bank info or have a pay-pal account already...
i guess its up to tony .....sounds like your gonna get help ...:lateral:

scott could start the thread ,since curtis said tony didnt want all this attention.
LETS GETR DONE as we say down here in the south..

radrambler

[Spiffav8]

I like the Steves suggestion of having Scott in charge of the funds. We all respect, like and trust him.

[rockdogz]

I like the Steves suggestion of having Scott in charge of the funds. We all respect, like and trust him.

Well at least we respect and trust him!! :lol:

I'll check back on this thread for when it's ready to go - I'm in!

[Flash68]

I like the Steves suggestion of having Scott in charge of the funds. We all respect, like and trust him.

Yeah that sounds good.

[98ssnova]

Hey Curtis come down and pick me up in the jet. I'll put some manul labor in. Bum deal glad to see the "family" help a member out.

[XcYZ]

I'm PAYPAL illiterate.. maybe Scott the computer nerd could do it. lol

:lol: Shuttup magazine nerd. :D

Ok, seriously now, if you guys want to do something like this, I'd be glad to help out. I already have a 'Donations' link setup and it's through Paypal and we can just use that. We could do something like all donation made in the next X days will all go to Tony/the shop doing the work. After the X days are up, I'll either pay the shop the funds that were raised using Paypal or I could withdraw the amount and just cut a check to the shop.

Pretty cool that so many would like to help out. :thumbsup:

[Spiffav8]

Hey Curtis come down and pick me up in the jet. I'll put some manul labor in. Bum deal glad to see the "family" help a member out.

Hey is your bird up and running yet or is it still broken after your last trip to Vegas 4 months ago? Really sorry about that busted windshield. :_paranoid

[Spiffav8]

:lol: Shuttup magazine nerd. :D

Ok, seriously now, if you guys want to do something like this, I'd be glad to help out. I already have a 'Donations' link setup and it's through Paypal and we can just use that. We could do something like all donation made in the next X days will all go to Tony/the shop doing the work. After the X days are up, I'll either pay the shop the funds that were raised using Paypal or I could withdraw the amount and just cut a check to the shop.

Pretty cool that so many would like to help out. :thumbsup:

Scott that's a great idea. I also think we need to add a cap. Like I said before I don't think we should finish it for him, just help him make up the lost ground.

Man I love this place! :lateral:

[XcYZ]

Lets do it. How about a time frame? Now until September 30th? That's what, 6 weeks?

[Musclerodz]

I just had a long chat with Tony. Our offer to help is on the table.

[Steve1968LS2]

Is this where I do the "If every member just gave .50 then the project would be taken care of" lol

Seriously, if you're able to toss in something it would help. I'm going to bust open my track rat piggy bank right now.

[Young Gun]

I can throw down about 50 bucks. Gimme the info on where to send the money!

[Spiffav8]

Lets do it. How about a time frame? Now until September 30th? That's what, 6 weeks?


I think that sounds fair.

[radrambler]

Scott that's a great idea. I also think we need to add a cap. Like I said before I don't think we should finish it for him, just help him make up the lost ground.

Man I love this place! :lateral:

a cap..:lol: ..i know we want to help but i dont think anybody is gonna throw in enough to finish the car...if we did get enough to finish it thats great, if not we at least helped the man....the whole idea is to turn the energy spent on this forum and tonys car into a positive one....SCOTT ,your idea of using the donation link on this site sounds great.timetable is the only question. 6 weeks sounds good .
SCOTT ,lets get this thing started with a new thread asap and show what lateral-g people can do for an upstanding member .

radrambler

[jack67rs]

Sorry to hear about your troubles with paint! Paint shops seem to be a common PITA with most of the guys I've talked to at shows??? And the good ones are gettin top dollar and I mean stupid money! After reading everyones responses, I'm damn proud to be a member of Lateral-g!!:thumbsup: Glad to see everyone helping out.

[7TSS]

I'm game to help the cause. Just say how and when. :lateral:

[68protouring454]

goodluck with the project, time to stop with the opinions and get your car done.
make a list of parts needed if any to complete the car, as many of use have new parts kicking around and we could ship them and or throw some cash in to get ur car done.
i am in if i dont have anything i will throw some money in
jake

[4OfaKind]

Count me in to chip in. :thumbsup:
I know how hard it is to save money to pay someone to realize your dream. I can't imagine what it feels like to have the person you trusted turn around and dash those dreams.

Mal

[bigtyme1]

I'm if for $100.00, what do we do now?

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm if for $100.00, what do we do now?

Give Scott a moment to get stuff in order. He should make a sticky with the link/info to the Paypal deal.

I've got a few parts laying around, but I think Anthony has most of his parts, he just needs a fixed car to put them on. :)

[awr68]

WOW guys this all comes as a huge shock and is very very appreciated! Curtis is right, I'm not one to ask for handouts and I have to publicly thank him for starting this thread....THANKS BROTHER!!! I had a lot bottled up to the point of feeling sick and now after telling the story in this thread I feel much better!

The paypal account is very humbling and I thank every one of you that donates anything, otherwise the only option would have been to put it on my Visa! Hell, I thank everyone just for thier outstanding support...I got pretty beat up emotionally over this deal and your generosity is getting me back on track! I knew I had a lot of friends here, but never thought anything like this would happen. We are a family here and it's awesome to see everyone come together like this!! :lateral:

I thank Scott being in charge of the money. All the donated funds will go to the body shop bill as it should...after all, this is being set up to help me get the car fixed and where it should have been the first time it was delivered...I can take it from there.

I am kinda lost for words right now...but I must thank everyone one more time for being there for me, it just means so much!

[bigtyme1]

Well we can't let you just give up, as I told you awhile ago you have to finish what you started even it take a little while longer. That's why I love this sight so much, "it's not just about the build!"

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

amen!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[tjbruning]

this is how karma should work. And to think, my wife thinks I spend all my time on lateral-g for the cars...

:thumbsup:

[Spiffav8]

WOW guys this all comes as a huge shock and is very very appreciated! Curtis is right, I'm not one to ask for handouts and I have to publicly thank him for starting this thread....THANKS BROTHER!!! I had a lot bottled up to the point of feeling sick and now after telling the story in this thread I feel much better!

The paypal account is very humbling and I thank every one of you that donates anything, otherwise the only option would have been to put it on my Visa! Hell, I thank everyone just for thier outstanding support...I got pretty beat up emotionally over this deal and your generosity is getting me back on track! I knew I had a lot of friends here, but never thought anything like this would happen. We are a family here and it's awesome to see everyone come together like this!! :lateral:

I thank Scott being in charge of the money. All the donated funds will go to the body shop bill as it should...after all, this is being set up to help me get the car fixed and where it should have been the first time it was delivered...I can take it from there.

I am kinda lost for words right now...but I must thank everyone one more time for being there for me, it just means so much!


In the words of Tyler from ATS....I just want you to be happy with your car. We all do.

Oh...and you can buy me beer during SEMA. :lol:

[awr68]

In the words of Tyler from ATS....I just want you to be happy with your car. We all do.

Oh...and you can buy me beer during SEMA. :lol:

Done and DONE!! ;)

[ItDoRun]

Tony,
Your project has been an inspiration to me during my build, and you can count me in on this deal. As I mentioned to you in one of my last PM's to you, I had this same thing happen to me during the bodywork phase of my car. I ended up pulling the car from the guy after 6 months and am now learning how to do metal work. Of course, mine was nothing to the extent of $7K plus.

Anyway, we're here to help, man. I'm just ready to see it finished.

Scott,
Here's your next feature car after it's finished!

Chris

[XcYZ]

I started a new thread for the Paypal donations, it can be found here:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=16220

[DRJDVM's '69]

Wow....you guys rock !!!!

To Chris
Just admit it.... you screwed us both. I'm sorry for you life issues, but thats not my problem. I dont care if it was intentional or not. That doesnt fix my car. You made promises and commitments and you didnt deliver. I would have had no problem paying more than the original deal if the work was anywhere near what you promised. If after you started, you had second thoughts or concerns with being able to deliver as promised, you should have told us and we could have picked up our cars and moved on. You kept your mouth shut, kept leading us along and did the work like you couldnt care less about the quality, just to get it done. Alittle honesty would have gone along way.....

Like Tony, I thought you were a nice stand up guy. When I sent you the pizzas, you didnt even say anything like thanks until I asked if you got them and that was 2-3 days later when I called you...... Like Tony I tried to treat you like a friend..... and look what we got in return.

I wont get on here and trash you, but dont give me your sob story excuses. The work speaks for itself...... nothing will change that

[evilzee28]

Wow....you guys rock !!!!


To Tony
I wish I could contribute some $$ to the fund, but I kinda got my own "issues" to deal with......

If there's sufficient funds generated why not help out Ned with his project as well, after all he's out of pocket too. It'd be a great gesture from the Lateral G community,:thumbsup: after all two members got stung by this guy.

[jannes_z-28]

Tony is one of the best guys in the world.

We have been friends for many years and Tony has voluntaried to help me many times with my project. Being overseas has its own problems in getting parts and special stuff that our cars needs. And here Tony has helped me and giving extremely good service. Jennifer has also run a few errands to the postoffice sending packages to Sweden. All this has been done over emails and PM's on forum without we ever meeting each other. A good example on the internets way of making new friends and helping each other.

On my trip to SEMA two years ago I finally got to meet Tony and Jennifer and we spend a few days together and summed it up with a nice dinner, we had a great time there.

When I first read this horror story I was chocked, i felt angry and sad. I had been thinking that Tony hadn't said anything about the progress on the car. I mean we share some emails now and then on what we do and how things go.

I have sent a few mails the last couple of days giving some encourage to Tony and all this support we give here will make this go by quick.

Even though things like this can send you in to the dark tunnel, there is always light at the end. One must look forward in situations like this, there is only future ahead. Tony is heading in the right direction and with our support it will go fast.

I have just sent $100 to the donation fund and if we are only 80 guys doing the same we got the bill to Chris covered for Tony.

So I encourage everybody to send $100 each and we let Tony be home free on this.


Jan

[bigtyme1]

I'm with you Jan. Tony has spent timeless hours with alot of us on the phone helping out with the build. not to mention he and his wife are wonderful people. I just took care of Pay Pal this morning for $100.00. But I know not all members can do this. Anything will help and I know he appriciates it.

Tony, you got a name for your car? Here's one to ponder over.

"Survivor, The car that Lateral G saved"
It's not just about the build but the brotherhood within the Community.

[Flash68]

Like Tony, I thought you were a nice stand up guy. When I sent you the pizzas, you didnt even say anything like thanks until I asked if you got them and that was 2-3 days later when I called you......

It's these things that tell the true fabric of a man. And this man has completely failed the test.

Better luck to both Ned and Tony here on out...

[DOOM]

It's these things that tell the true fabric of a man. And this man has completely failed the test.

Better luck to both Ned and Tony here on out...

I'll extend my offer to Ned. If you need any materials (primers paints papers etc) just shoot me a pm!
Mario

[chopshop]

Anthony,

I think you need to let everyone in on what happened to you and your project. It's important that the good people of Lateral-G, know about guys like Chris at Race Rodz and how he took advantage of you. It's a messed up story and a real buzz kill on a killer project.

I know that more than a few have asked you about it. Time to tell the whole story buddy.

YOU know- sometimes it just better not to say anyting at all. Im sure this gy is bummed out that his oprojet didnt go as planned.

Anthony- Im across the country but welcomed to speak with you about the job if its still not done.. Sorry for your loss.

I always tel everyone -get referebnces, check them ask question and more . If the shop turned out to be a dud- did you complain to the local Better Business Bureau? Might be a start-and if its the case, you may not be the only one.

Sorry to hear though

[Spiffav8]

YOU know- sometimes it just better not to say anyting at all. Im sure this gy is bummed out that his oprojet didnt go as planned.

Anthony- Im across the country but welcomed to speak with you about the job if its still not done.. Sorry for your loss.

I always tel everyone -get referebnces, check them ask question and more . If the shop turned out to be a dud- did you complain to the local Better Business Bureau? Might be a start-and if its the case, you may not be the only one.

Sorry to hear though


Some times keeping your mouth shut is the right thing to do and other times it isn't. This isn't one of those times. We see this kind of thing happen all the time and there are just way to many stories about good people getting ripped off. L-G isn't a place for bottom feeders looking to make a quick buck at another's expense. Lessons learned by example if we're lucky.

The good people of :lateral: have turned this one around and that's proof that this time was worth opening up about.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

It's these things that tell the true fabric of a man. And this man has completely failed the test.




fabric?..


dude is sewn together slivers of big league chew...

[tellyv]

well I hate to say it but theres shops and people all over like this, they start a buisness screw everyone over go out of buisness and they there back with a new name screwing people over again, karma is bs these people are salesmen and they'll always keep stealing good peoples money. They have a better pitch than a real honest hard working shop and they suck you in. Then theres know legal way for the honest person in the deal to get there money back. I own my own shop and do everything as right as possible and treat everyone as I would expect to be treated, if you go to a shop and they give you a flat out price they probably dont know what there doing, you build these cars for time and materials that the only way you know you'll get paid what your worth. So in situations like this I wish it was like the old days were you could just go beat the living **** out of them. tellyv

[Steve1968LS2]

They have a better pitch than a real honest hard working shop and they suck you in. Then theres know legal way for the honest person in the deal to get there money back.


Yea, BOS has this happen all the time. They give an realistic quote and then loose the business when the customer gets a crazy low quote somewhere else. Sometimes they end up hearing that by the end the customer paid as much or more for the job or that they hated the work done.

I guess some shops just want to get your car in their possesion, they can dow what they want with/to you.

[Musclerodz]

If there's sufficient funds generated why not help out Ned with his project as well, after all he's out of pocket too. It'd be a great gesture from the Lateral G community,:thumbsup: after all two members got stung by this guy.I agree it would be fair to help both so it does not feel like sides are being chosen to help one and not the other.

Mike

[awr68]

I'll extend my offer to Ned. If you need any materials (primers paints papers etc) just shoot me a pm!
Mario


That's a very generous offer and should really help Ned out...he too got the short end of the stick!! Sorry Ned!! :(

[awr68]

Tony is one of the best guys in the world.

We have been friends for many years and Tony has voluntaried to help me many times with my project. Being overseas has its own problems in getting parts and special stuff that our cars needs. And here Tony has helped me and giving extremely good service. Jennifer has also run a few errands to the postoffice sending packages to Sweden. All this has been done over emails and PM's on forum without we ever meeting each other. A good example on the internets way of making new friends and helping each other.

On my trip to SEMA two years ago I finally got to meet Tony and Jennifer and we spend a few days together and summed it up with a nice dinner, we had a great time there.

When I first read this horror story I was chocked, i felt angry and sad. I had been thinking that Tony hadn't said anything about the progress on the car. I mean we share some emails now and then on what we do and how things go.

I have sent a few mails the last couple of days giving some encourage to Tony and all this support we give here will make this go by quick.

Even though things like this can send you in to the dark tunnel, there is always light at the end. One must look forward in situations like this, there is only future ahead. Tony is heading in the right direction and with our support it will go fast.

I have just sent $100 to the donation fund and if we are only 80 guys doing the same we got the bill to Chris covered for Tony.

So I encourage everybody to send $100 each and we let Tony be home free on this.


Jan

Thanks for the kind words and generous donation! You have been a great friend over the years and it was my pleasure helping you with your project!! Hope to see you and your wife during SEMA week again...good times!! :yes:

[DRJDVM's '69]

Hey Guys
I appreciate the offer.... that means alot to me. I've only met a couple of you guys in person or talked to you on the phone or email. Thats a pretty generous offer from people that dont really know me very well.... you guys always amaze me....

My goal right now is to find a metal fab shop that can help me fix some of the issues. Someone I can trust but can afford at the same time.

Rodger from Ironworks is gonna swing by on his way home from the Goodguys West Coast Nats,. I want his opinions but I'm scared to death to hear them. I know how nice his work is so, I'm sure he's gonna cringe at some of the stuff on my car. I'm worried it will just make me more depressed......

TJ and Tim from Bruning are gonna come by on the way back from SEMA to look at the car first hand too, but thats 10 weeks away.

I'm trying to keep a good outlook.... I keep telling myself, its only metal... it can be fixed... a car is justs a big glorifide, mobile soup can.... its only metal.....its only metal...its only metal.... theres no place like home.... theres no place like home..... :)

Ned

[Damn True]

As a group we should all commit to making use of something like a "Diamond Certified" type business registry.

Does SEMA provide any sort of function like that?

If we cannot depend on other members of this community then we are lost.

[DOOM]

As a group we should all commit to making use of something like a "Diamond Certified" type business registry.

Does SEMA provide any sort of function like that?

If we cannot depend on other members of this community then we are lost.

I think this is a great idea!! A simple rating system would work great...:thumbsup:

[awr68]

I also agree! I really don't want anyone else to go threw what Ned and I did...it really takes the fun out of what is suppose to be a FUN hobby!

I'm also with Steve C. I had wanted to start a sticky tech thread on choosing shops and what to look out for when shopping but wanted to get past my situation first. I guess there really isn't any reason to wait though. I know Steveo and Frank would have many good points to get the ball rolling and then we could all add to it...I think it could really help others steer clear of making the wrong choice.

[tones2SS]

I also agree! I really don't want anyone else to go threw what Ned and I did...it really takes the fun out of what is suppose to be a FUN hobby!

I'm also with Steve C. I had wanted to start a sticky tech thread on choosing shops and what to look out for when shopping but wanted to get past my situation first. I guess there really isn't any reason to wait though. I know Steveo and Frank would have many good points to get the ball rolling and then we could all add to it...I think it could really help others steer clear of making the wrong choice.

I totally agree with you. For those of us that are going to have projects in the future, that would really help us out.:thumbsup:

[Spiffav8]

As a group we should all commit to making use of something like a "Diamond Certified" type business registry.

Does SEMA provide any sort of function like that?

If we cannot depend on other members of this community then we are lost.

This is taking the intent of this thread to a new level. Great idea...one I support 100%. After all we are all here to learn and share.

:cheers:

[conekiller13]

Well, having just sorted through 15 pages of incredible peoples comments I must say I'm deeply moved by the brotherhood of this site.

I know I don't post here much (since My car has been on the very slow road to recovery for 6 years) but being one of the few guys geographically close to Tony I had some first hand witnessing to the whole deal. The only thing I can add about the "painter" is he should have refused payment in January and told Tony he was unable to perform the work specified. Then he could have held on to his respect and dignity.

This incident speaks volumes for the character of both Tony and his wife Jennifer. How many of us would have gone on a crusade to harm a person that had done this or spend countless hours and energy dwelling on it and building the negativity. Tony and Jennifer have done a wonderful job of keeping their chins up and being adults about the whole thing, kudos to both of you.

Now lets get this thing rolling so I can help you assemble it like I've been promising for a year!

[BRIAN]

The internet has helped and hurt a lot of folks in this Industry. The problem is it is so easy to make yourself look like a big shop or business and sucker people into using you as their personal practice project. I have fallen into this trap myself as you get guys on these forums swearing someone is the best. When you use them you realize neither of them has a clue as too what quality is. They work in Burger King during the day and then do whatever auto related in the evening swearing the whole time they are big shots in the car world. If they use the words WE and you only seen one person stay away.

How many times guys go crazy over pictures swearing how good the quality is. It is impossible to tell quality from pictures. Go see their work yourself as everybody has an idea of what quality is.


Also do not use a shop that can't show you a finished job. Guys love to show there 20 year projects but finishing all the details is the hard part.

To possibly add a bright side to this there are always changes that you could make during a project. Take this time to do things that you thought of after the project started and hopefully you will end up with a better car in the end. The way you had to go about it sucks but get passed it and build a better car.

[Nine Ball]

I floated a couple bills your way Tony. Just because I don't like seeing guys named "Tony" getting screwed, lol.

-Tony :lol:

[Steve1968LS2]

How many times guys go crazy over pictures swearing how good the quality is. It is impossible to tell quality from pictures. Go see their work yourself as everybody has an idea of what quality is.
.

Pictures don't show jack and lie like an SOB. I can make a crappy car look like a rock star in pictures. lol

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

:yes: AMEN "AGAIN" :yes:

[awr68]

I floated a couple bills your way Tony. Just because I don't like seeing guys named "Tony" getting screwed, lol.

-Tony :lol:

Thanks!! We got to stick together!! ;)

[trapin]

I floated a couple bills your way Tony. Just because I don't like seeing guys named "Tony" getting screwed, lol.

-Tony :lol:

I don't like seeing it either, my brotha! :D

Tony I'll get some green in that account when I get paid on Friday. I probably shouldn't (due to my similar financial conditions :_paranoid ) but you're a great guy and I really appreciated you helping me out with some parts for my project.

By the way, Chris....you're apology was about as useful as a sack of wet mice. You shouldn't have even bothered. Hope your kids are enjoying the free stuff that the Rose's gave you. No need to thank them though. Remember...it's all about you.

[2Bad4Ya]

Wow! I am almost speechless.

You just do not see this type of behavior any more. You guys really do make this place more thana board, and make it truelly a community with this type of outreach for another member.

I hate to hear what happened to Tony & Ned, but seeing the community pull behind you makes it easier to swallow.

As to the guy at racerodz, enuff bad has been said about him. I kind of feel for him also. He learned the hard way that just because you can do, does not mean you can run your own business. More than a few body shops and other business' have fell under for the same reasons.

Negetives aside, you guys are amazing for stepping up like this! :hail:

[Spiffav8]

[QUOTE=2Bad4Ya;162913]As to the guy at racerodz, enuff bad has been said about him. I kind of feel for him also. He learned the hard way that just because you can do, does not mean you can run your own business. More than a few body shops and other business' have fell under for the same reasons./QUOTE]

While I agree with those that have said "it's time to stop wasting energy bashing on Chris", there is NO proof that he learned a lesson. For all we know he is stomping around, cussing our names and blaming others for the bad things that have happened to him. We've all seen that type of person a lot more often than the few, who have turned it around and become contributing and productive people. I sincerely hope he is able to pull it together. However I don't have the time waste on him, nor will I give the guy the opportunity to prove one way or another. He screwed with good people...more importantly, he screwed my friends. I don't take that lightly at all! I know I sound bitter and cold which honestly is not who I am. (Well not till you screw me or those I care about.)

I don't want to see this happen to anymore of the members of L-G! I've gotten so many PMs about this project or that shop and how things went very wrong. We have a tremendous resource here and I hope (pray) that we can keep this kind of stuff to a minimum.

[buickfunnycar.com]

I contributed to the pot...felt good too.:thumbsup:
Hope this helps start a process to prevent this from happening again in the future.

[Rybar]

Holy Crap Tony, just spent the last hour reading through the first 1/2 of this thread. Really sorry to hear this happened, if I can help in any way let me know. I'm not that far from you. I'll read the rest in the next couple of days.

Don't worry the project will come together :cheers:

[fesler]

Man, If we could have a stand up presidential candidate like Mario, Frank , or some of u others wouldn't every body want to vote!!!!!! :hail:

Hey Tony and Ned, i know this won't heal the wounds, but because i found this forum and all u guys , there was a light at the end of my tunnel nightmare this week!! i joined couple months ago because of my problems with synister!! in the middle of that thread--here comes C. Fesler out of no where and offers up a great deal on a billet specialties front drive setup(should be here monday) Real great people to deal with!! would never have known about it without the turmoil i had w/synister!! There is some justice to those of us who take people for their word!! I still catch myself looking over my shoulder with other vendors since i got burned -but in time that will heal too!! There are some great guys w/ great shops on this forum that make us all proud and let us forget the ones that aren't!! After all , we may be located all over the country but family sticks together!!!

jim :lateral:


Hey Jim,

Thanks for the kind words and it really bothers me to see all these people getting screwed everyday. I just dont understand how they live with themselves. I try to help everyone I can and run the shop so everyone feels at home. If there is anything else I can do to help just let me know. Thanks again.

[fesler]

I have finally read this post and cant understand how this stuff seems to go so wrong. Owning a shop I can see both sides and sometimes you dont quote right but that becomes the shops problem unless it was worked out with the Client before hand. Things dont always go right and it sucks to see this stuff happen to anyone.

We try very hard to keep work around the quotes and sometimes that is very difficult because the way everything changes. But we do our best and we stand behind what we say and do.

I have no problem donating money to help something gone bad and would hope that anyone of you would do the same for all of us. Now that I have donated for the project when do I get to borrow it for the weekend. That was part of the deal right? :thumbsup:

Good luck with finishing the project and hold your head up high because as you can see you have a lot of good guys backing you here. Please keep us updated on the progress and pictures.

[Streetking]

Wow, just read this entire thread.. I cannot believe this happened to both of you. I have known Anthony and his lovely wife Jennifer for a few years now and for those of you that don't know them, they are some of the most nicest people you would ever meet. Last year at SEMA, Anthony was really excited about getting his car done, what a bummer..

Anthony PM me, I might be able to help you out with transporting your car to any shop you want..

SW

[awr68]

Thanks SW for the kind words that is VERY nice of you! I'll PM ya!

[awr68]

And thanks to everyone else for the donations, offers, and kind words....it is much appreciated and needed!

[comp-spec]

Wow, just read this entire thread.. I cannot believe this happened to both of you. I have known Anthony and his lovely wife Jennifer for a few years now and for those of you that don't know them, they are some of the most nicest people you would ever meet. Last year at SEMA, Anthony was really excited about getting his car done, what a bummer..

Anthony PM me, I might be able to help you out with transporting your car to any shop you want..

SW

Tony I know we are far away, But if Street King will ship your car to us, I will do your car over for you no charge. (BODY AND PAINT)We can turn it around for you in 1 month ..NO BS....... Then you can start putting it back together
I'm sure you will be happy with our paint work.
This is not a your a cool shop for offering line .I learn a lot from this site ( I THINK WE ALL DO) and I have no problem giving back.
If your interested send it down and we will fix it for you.

[awr68]

WOW Pete thanks for the offer! I will PM you later today when I get home from work.

[comp-spec]

No problem Tony just send it down .We'll hook it up good

[DOOM]

Hey Chris I like that weekend borrowing idea:yes:

[tones2SS]

No problem Tony just send it down .We'll hook it up good

These are stand up guys @ Competition Specialties.:thumbsup:
At one of the car shows this summer, they auctioned off a 2,500 paint for charity!!:thumbsup:
From what I see from pictures and seeing one of their cars up close, they do good work. They are located about 10 minutes away from where I live.

[comp-spec]

These are stand up guys @ Competition Specialties.:thumbsup:
At one of the car shows this summer, they auctioned off a 2,500 paint for charity!!:thumbsup:
From what I see from pictures and seeing one of their cars up close, they do good work. They are located about 10 minutes away from where I live.

10 mins and you haven't stopped buy

[HRBS]

they do good work.

Pete and the guys do GREAT work. I have seen both Nemisis and Petes personal Camaro up close and personal and can confirm their outstanding fit and finish work. A+ paint finish all the way.
Tony, I am sorry to hear of your story, but can honestly say these guys are the real deal and if you take Pete up on the deal you wont be sorry one bit!
I am even thinking of bringing my cars up there.

[clill]

Tony I know we are far away, But if Street King will ship your car to us, I will do your car over for you no charge. (BODY AND PAINT)We can turn it around for you in 1 month ..NO BS....... Then you can start putting it back together
I'm sure you will be happy with our paint work.
This is not a your a cool shop for offering line .I learn a lot from this site ( I THINK WE ALL DO) and I have no problem giving back.
If your interested send it down and we will fix it for you.

Now that is quite a offer. I have seen their work and it is spectacular. There are shops that BS to get work and there are shops that let their work do the talking. The work I have seen is top notch. Comp-Spec and StreetKing both get big:thumbsup: Wow !!:willy:

[tones2SS]

10 mins and you haven't stopped buy

I have been meaning to.:_paranoid
Don't want to put you guys out/bother you at work.
I would like to check the shop out and see some of the projects though!:thumbsup:

[Ummgawa]

Wow is all I can say.

Wow.

[bigtyme1]

Can't beet that Tony, even if you had to pay for transportation. I've seen there work at SEMA and Carlisle. Looks Great.

[conekiller13]

Just have to say it again what an amazing comunity. Their needs to be some magazine coverage about the support given by all of the wonderfull people and good shops here.:thumbsup:

[bigtyme1]

Wait until the car is Done :unibrow: We know GUY:thumbsup:

[Spiffav8]

Wow is all I can say.

Wow.

X2 :omg:

[DRJDVM's '69]

This site continues to amaze me.... you guys are what this hobby is all about....

Anthony.... I got your message but havent had time to call...see my other thread.... I destroyed my distributor gear in the '69 and I've been messing with that....gotta pull the motor now.... so the Cuda is patiently waiting....

[tones2SS]

Just have to say it again what an amazing comunity. Their needs to be some magazine coverage about the support given by all of the wonderfull people and good shops here.:thumbsup:

I AGREE!!!!
We SHOULD stick together.:thumbsup:
This is a GREAT forum and am proud to be a member.:lateral: :cheers:

[Stuart Adams]

Tony I know we are far away, But if Street King will ship your car to us, I will do your car over for you no charge. (BODY AND PAINT)We can turn it around for you in 1 month ..NO BS....... Then you can start putting it back together
I'm sure you will be happy with our paint work.
This is not a your a cool shop for offering line .I learn a lot from this site ( I THINK WE ALL DO) and I have no problem giving back.
If your interested send it down and we will fix it for you.

Unbelievable. Car guys and gals are the best and America is awesome. :cheers:

[jimhamptons]

Tony I know we are far away, But if Street King will ship your car to us, I will do your car over for you no charge. (BODY AND PAINT)We can turn it around for you in 1 month ..NO BS....... Then you can start putting it back together
I'm sure you will be happy with our paint work.
This is not a your a cool shop for offering line .I learn a lot from this site ( I THINK WE ALL DO) and I have no problem giving back.
If your interested send it down and we will fix it for you.

What an offer! This proves how fortunate we are to have such a great community of enthusiasts! :lateral:

[ILove2HotRod]

I Live in the Portland area and have finally found a small un-organized somewhat dirty shop with a nice booth and great guys that like to work. Summary of this message is that clean shops aren't always the best place to go. Want a reference zap me an email. Pictures and info on my project will be posted in the very near future.

Steve Schalk
[email protected]

[V8TV]

Fantastic offer from a great shop! Amazing!

[radrambler]

LATERAL-G
THIS IS OUTSTANDING......
IM SO IMPRESSED WITH THE NETWORK OF PEOPLE HERE.:lateral:
DONT IMAGINE THIS HAPPENS ON MANY FORUMS
WAY TO PULL TOGETHER AND REFOCUS!!!!!!!!!!!

anthony ...this is where you say....MY NAMES ANTHONY AND IVE JUST BEEN OVERHAULED via lateral-g....only no FOOSE or t.v. cameras :lol:
im happy for ya

radrambler

[Moose]

I know it is a sad story for ned and tony.. But i want them to know that it did help me in a way.

I've saving to paint my car, but I'm doing my car in stages and the paint will be last. As aweful as this was for you, it taught me to do my homework, and cheaper is not always better. When you are on a budget like I am the cheaper part is where I try and stay.. Do as much as possible myself and go to the pros on the stuff I cant.

paint and body work, huge novice..

Good luck tony, hope to see lots of pictures.:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

One hell of an offer Comp Spec!!!! He should get the money pool if he does the car. :thumbsup:

[trapin]

The people that are involved in this hobby are some of the best people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. It truely is an honor to call many of the you on both sites my friends.

It's too bad Chris DeShane didn't feel the same. If he did, then he would have done everything in his power possible to make sure that Anthony got the car that he deserved. Instead he just gave up. And in doing so, he gave up on all of us.

I just don't get it. When you've got something great...why ruin it?

[awr68]

One hell of an offer Comp Spec!!!! He should get the money pool if he does the car. :thumbsup:


Yes it is....but if Pete does the car the donated money will have to go to shipping from one coast ot anothere and back...big bucks really! SW's offer wasn't to pay for shipping, he does a lot of shipping and thought he could get me the best deal possible. SW is a great friend and I love that he is doing what he can for me once again!

[awr68]

Well, having just sorted through 15 pages of incredible peoples comments I must say I'm deeply moved by the brotherhood of this site.

I know I don't post here much (since My car has been on the very slow road to recovery for 6 years) but being one of the few guys geographically close to Tony I had some first hand witnessing to the whole deal. The only thing I can add about the "painter" is he should have refused payment in January and told Tony he was unable to perform the work specified. Then he could have held on to his respect and dignity.

This incident speaks volumes for the character of both Tony and his wife Jennifer. How many of us would have gone on a crusade to harm a person that had done this or spend countless hours and energy dwelling on it and building the negativity. Tony and Jennifer have done a wonderful job of keeping their chins up and being adults about the whole thing, kudos to both of you.

Now lets get this thing rolling so I can help you assemble it like I've been promising for a year!


Thanks for the kind words Dan! You have been a great friend over the years, thanks! :cheers:

I can't wait to start assembling the car with you...soon, I promise!!

[skatinjay27]

man thats such a cool thing to do pete:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

i cant believe all this has come form this thread anthony i guess it was a good thing curtis opened his mouth, i know even he had no idea that this would turn to this!
curtis has been somewhat keeping me up with all you trouble with this car and im so happy for you that things are working out with the car.
im mean if i cant even believe this is happening you must be completly blown away! soon enough anthony it will be back in your garage for the REAL final assembly!!!

[comp-spec]

Yes it is....but if Pete does the car the donated money will have to go to shipping from one coast ot anothere and back...big bucks really! SW's offer wasn't to pay for shipping, he does a lot of shipping and thought he could get me the best deal possible. SW is a great friend and I love that he is doing what he can for me once again!

I think thats a great idea, use the donation to get the car here, I'm not looking for any money on this project. I just think we can help you out of your ****ty situation.

[Stuart Adams]

I think thats a great idea, use the donation to get the car here, I'm not looking for any money on this project. I just think we can help you out of your ****ty situation.

Pete, never met. Hello. Unbelievable offer. :hail: :hail: :hail:

[awr68]

man thats such a cool thing to do pete:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

i cant believe all this has come form this thread anthony i guess it was a good thing curtis opened his mouth, i know even he had no idea that this would turn to this!
curtis has been somewhat keeping me up with all you trouble with this car and im so happy for you that things are working out with the car.
im mean if i cant even believe this is happening you must be completly blown away! soon enough anthony it will be back in your garage for the REAL final assembly!!!

Yeah Curtis really did the right thing by getting this all out in the open! He never thought/planned it would turn into this, he just wanted me to vent a little before I had a heart attach...and perhaps help others learn from the situation. He knows Jennifer and I are extreamly greatfull of what he started with this thread, and I do owe him a few drinks when I get to Vegas for SEMA! :cheers:

Yes, I am totally shocked that so many people would pitch in and dig me out of this mess....it's simply awesome! Been a busy few days talking with shops and trying to figure out where to take the car. Bruning came over last night. Thanks TJ & Tim! and really had a good look at the car and are puting a price together for me...they are local and that's nice! BOS also is in the running but they are pretty far away from me and that hurts the over all pricing. And now Pete steps up with a killer offer! I have to get pricing on shipping to see if it's even cost effective to send it to him...but I have a funny feeling it probably is. I'll know more soon! :yes:

[ArisESQ]

wow. there are some shady people in this hobby/the car crowd, but then, there are people like the members of this community.
it's really amazing to me what extents everyone here has gone to show their support of anthony.

[Bowtieracing]

One hell of an offer Comp Spec!!!! He should get the money pool if he does the car. :thumbsup:


I agree:thumbsup: Fantastic offer from Comp Spec and i will take part of the donation if car goes to Petes shop.

[Flash68]

Yeah Curtis really did the right thing by getting this all out in the open! He never thought/planned it would turn into this, he just wanted me to vent a little before I had a heart attach...and perhaps help others learn from the situation. He knows Jennifer and I are extreamly greatfull of what he started with this thread, and I do owe him a few drinks when I get to Vegas for SEMA! :cheers:

Yes, I am totally shocked that so many people would pitch in and dig me out of this mess....it's simply awesome! Been a busy few days talking with shops and trying to figure out where to take the car. Bruning came over last night. Thanks TJ & Tim! and really had a good look at the car and are puting a price together for me...they are local and that's nice! BOS also is in the running but they are pretty far away from me and that hurts the over all pricing. And now Pete steps up with a killer offer! I have to get pricing on shipping to see if it's even cost effective to send it to him...but I have a funny feeling it probably is. I'll know more soon! :yes:

Good things do happen to good people buddy! :yes:

[awr68]

Good things do happen to good people buddy! :yes:

Thanks!! :)

[Rybar]

WOW!!! Pete and Comp-Spec what a fantastic offer! As well from SW for the transport. Great work guys!! Anthony, your are a lucky guy after all! :cheers:

[waynieZ]

Hey Pete awesome offer to help Tony straighten this out .

[Vince@Meanstreets]

wow, just wow....im gone for a few weeks and things fall apart.

Anthony & Ned , sorry to hear about your situations and hope they are resolved. Let me know if I can help.



vince

[awr68]

Thanks Vince! Yeah things happen quick around here!!!

[JohnC]

The people that are involved in this hobby are some of the best people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. It truely is an honor to call many of the you on both sites my friends.

It's too bad Chris DeShane didn't feel the same. If he did, then he would have done everything in his power possible to make sure that Anthony got the car that he deserved. Instead he just gave up. And in doing so, he gave up on all of us.

I just don't get it. When you've got something great...why ruin it?

I could not have said it better, incredible story!

:lateral: :woot: :cheers:

John

[awr68]

Here's a link (http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=16679) to the new redo at comp-spec thread.

[cees67]

wow...... just goes to show that if you are a stand up guy good things will always find there way to you .Tony you were a class act in the beginning by not blowing your lid and letting the situation play out and that speaks boat loads of your character.

Comp-spec what an unbelievable thing you are doing i hope this gets out and the favor is returned 10 fold if you were just a little closer to N.y my project would be on its way to you for finishing.:bow: :lateral:

[awr68]

Thanks for the kind words! Things are working out now and I'm real excited about the project once again!!

Yes Pete does deserve any press/future customers he gets from this...but that's not why he's doing it. He's a great guy and just wants to help!

As for your car...you're a lot closer to Pete than I am! Might be worth looking into! :yes:

[cees67]

no problem...you are right i am a lot closer than you are! After i posted that i looked them up and they are only about two and half hours away.My car only needs alignment and of course MORE BLOCKING and paint .Could be an option!

[ViperBlue68]

WOW...I just read this ENTIRE THREAD...and it literaly teared me up ALMOST! :_paranoid anyways point is I've lurked here and PT.COM for a long time and gained alot of useful info and I know EXACTLY what you went through Anthony but I have never posted my story here or anywhere because mostly I was embarrased more than anything :mad: I paid my paint guy more than you did AND he kept my car for a year longer than promised! needless to say it looks like I got a nice $2,500 paint job for my 9k! :( I threatned to have B.A.R. get involved and he started telling me "your painter is the last guy you want to piss off!" so the car has been sittin in the garage after It got out of the interior shop...It will get done over some day I hope only been @ it since 2002 so far! good luck and keep your head up I will try to send some funds your way! Once again this is what bein Car guys/gals is about! commaradrie (sp) at its best! :lateral: rocks!

[chopshop]

wow...... just goes to show that if you are a stand up guy good things will always find there way to you .Tony you were a class act in the beginning by not blowing your lid and letting the situation play out and that speaks boat loads of your character.

Comp-spec what an unbelievable thing you are doing i hope this gets out and the favor is returned 10 fold if you were just a little closer to N.y my project would be on its way to you for finishing.:bow: :lateral:
Peter deserves great credit for this- he does stellar work and is a tru car guy at heart as well.
Oh and NY is NOT too far away if you want his work. I have customers from Oregon and California and IM in BOSTON- NY is only a few hours from here.
You want Pete's work? Make the drive.

[Vegas69]

I sent mine to Florida! Glad I did. 2000 in shipping sure beats a crappy job.

[awr68]

I fully agree Todd! Small price to pay to insure a proper job!!

[chopshop]

I sent mine to Florida! Glad I did. 2000 in shipping sure beats a crappy job.

I agree- my long distance customers have paid Under $500 roudn trip to come out for a day to see how the job was going, see the shop in person (again) etc. Worth every penny to them and me.

[6806goats]

Man this is an awesome thread. Was reading the November issue of Camaro Performers and saw mention of Scotts website then stumbled onto your thread. Sounds like things are looking up and the pics look great.

I guess I didn't follow it real closely I guess cuz I'm not sure where you took/sent your car. My 68's are also in Oregon (desert side so they're staying preserved) and wondering where to send mine. It'll be another couple of years (pending elections I guess) before I get a shop built but I was looking fwd to doing all the work myself. Wondering now if I should just farm it out.
Thanks for posting and glad the folks here appreciate family. Think I'm gonna dig this site. Glad Scott put the website in the mag! Cheers all!

:cheers: :lateral: :cheers: :thumbsup:

[awr68]

Thanks and welcome to the site!

The car was sent to Pete at Competition Specialties. (http://www.competition-specialties.com/) He is doing a great job and I can't thank him enough! He's on the east coast, but the donations helped get the car there!

Mario donated the materials!

And Camaro Performers have been great to work with....thanks guys!

[rlplive]

Just read this full thread, that really sucks. There are some great folks around here. I am really happy things are working out for you, you seem to be a good dude. I am happy for you.

Ryan

[awr68]

Thanks Ryan!
Yes things are working out very nicely this time around!!

[Flash68]

I am really happy things are working out for you, you seem to be a good dude.

Yeah, Anthony is okay... :lol:

[Spiffav8]

Yeah, Anthony is okay... :lol:

:rofl:

[awr68]

Can't you just feel the love!? :captain:

[camaro2nv]

Wow tough deal. Glad to see your headed in the right direction!

[HotRods442]

All of you guys are simply awesome. Reading this thread has given me hope. Thank you all. I'm so broke, I can't pay attention. But, I'd certainly contribute if I could...
Rev On,
HotRod:hail: :hail: :hail:

[awr68]

Thanks for the kind words! Yes this is an awesome comunity!!

[66coupe]

hey Anthony, i just read your story. and all i have to say is wow.
i hope everything works out for you and good luck on your build. i cant wait to see the updates from compspec :hail:
being a brand new member on here and seeing a story like this just shows the family you guys have

[awr68]

Thanks and welcome to the site! Yes, this is a great big family we have here!! :lateral: