What is "Modern" Pro-Street?

[JamesJ]

What is "Modern" Pro-Street?

[HRBS]

Big diameter hoops instead of old skool 15's.
Big brake upgrade.
Driver friendly suspension.
Engine with big power and decent (over 15) mpg's.
Its our specialty.
Here are two of our builds:

http://www.hotrodsbysteve.com/projects/64impala/100_2079.JPG

http://www.hotrodsbysteve.com/projects/67nova/12.jpg

[XcYZ]

Steve, that's exactly what I was thinking. Sean Dove's Vette is another perfect example.

[HRBS]

Scott.. that is a FINE example. One wicked machine right there ! :thumbsup:

[dodge]

Big diameter hoops instead of old skool 15's.
Big brake upgrade.
Driver friendly suspension.
Engine with big power and decent (over 15) mpg's.
Its our specialty.
Here are two of our builds:

http://www.hotrodsbysteve.com/projects/64impala/100_2079.JPG

http://www.hotrodsbysteve.com/projects/67nova/12.jpg

hmmm that nova looks familiar...its now here in Brisbane Queensland Australia:thumbsup:

[HRBS]

Sure is :thumbsup:
The new owners name is Mark. Nice guy.... he changed it up quite a bit I hear. Glad hes enjoying it. Tell him I said hello.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

The 20 inch mickeys are a great look,There are a couple of cars getting built with those tires that are new builds.I'm with you Steve,I still like the low and fat look:thumbsup:

[455T/Akid]

so "modern" pro-street is basically pro-touring is it not?

[HRBS]

No.
Show me a pro-touring car with a 33x21x20 tire on a 20x16 wheel. :)

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/hrbs/misc/061.jpg

[porkchop]

Now that's a tire.

[SDMAN]

Im using the 29"X18"X18" version of that tire (M/T street radial) on my 'modern' pro streeter project. And except for the 15 MPG (not important to me) I seem to be following the recipe mentioned. Goal is as close to 1g as is possible in handling, low 10 to hi 9 sec quarters. A/C, stereo and a comfortable and quiet (relatively) cabin. Remains to be seen how close we get.

[fesler]

This is modern Pro Street, huge engine, cage, wheels and all new technology. This car gets 5MPG and has over 800HP and is a blast to drive.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0008.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0011.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0012.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0021.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0029.jpg

[SDMAN]

Im at a similar power level (~800 on the tire), but will be keeping the motor hidden under the hood. 542ci with a Procharger, EFI, etc. Manual trans (6 speed). Ride height might be a tad higher than that, but not much. Primarily because Im using taller tires.

Pics like that keep me motivated.

It is a very nice looking ride.

[Turbowannabe]

That set up is what Im lookin for on my 68 Camaro. Will DSE mini tubs be enough or is this a back half job? I have all options open at this point, just trying to prepare.
Thanks

[JayR]

That set up is what Im lookin for on my 68 Camaro. Will DSE mini tubs be enough or is this a back half job? I have all options open at this point, just trying to prepare.
Thanks

DSE mini-tubs will hold around 315-335 on most cars but if you're trying to harness 800 hp and hold the new Mickey Thompsons for a 20" wheel like Steve's pic, they are the very same dimensions as the old Pro Street tires or around 20x30 so a back half and big tall tubs will be necessary if you want it to sit down right.

[HRBS]

Like Jason said, the DSE 'deep' tubs will fit a 12" wide wheel. Anything larger like the 20x15's will require a full back half like on this Chevelle Wagon.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/hrbs/misc/P0002368.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/hrbs/misc/P0002294.jpg

[boonedog]

what size tires is that?

[HRBS]

We use the same size tire for most of our 'Modern' Pro-street projects.
They are Mickey Thompson Sportman S/R.
Size: 31X18.00R20LT
Approved Rim widths: 15 / 16
Tire Height: 31.1 in
Tread Width: 15.7 in
Sidewall Width: 17.3 in

Heres a close up of another we did:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/hrbs/misc/fcrv176.jpg

[boonedog]

love the look. Looks bad a$$

[waynieZ]

sweet

[Kendall Burleson]

That a new thing big wheel and fat sidewall with big power.

[SDMAN]

Quick progress pic of my 'modern' pro street project. Cage is next.

[PasiR]

Quick progress pic of my 'modern' pro street project. Cage is next.


SDMAN, what´s your wheel/tire sizes?

[PasiR]

BTW, I appreciate if someone can share pics of 28"x12"x18" Mickey Thompson S/R radials. :hail:

[SDMAN]

My front tires are the shorter version. They are 12" wide, 18" dia but only 26.25" tall, not the 28" tall. The rears are the 18" wide, 18" dia 29" tall.

Front rims are 11" wide and rear rims are 15" wide.

[Turbowannabe]

I am building a modern pro 68 Camaro. I just about have it stripped and ready for blasting. I have removed the floors and back half including quaters, roof, inside dash, complete rear package tray, etc.. I want to run tires like these and want to know if DSE mini tubs will work or get DSE full tubs. Im also looking at Lateral Dynamics new 3 link rear possibly using an Alston back half.
I was sold on a Totalcostinvolved front frame but it seems so many companies are coming out with some serious stuff in that area.
I want twin turbos and the new paddle shift option but my kids are too old to try and sell...LOL... so that will come last. I raced paddle shifter karts and if you have ever been in one of these karts coming into a corner at 80 mph downshifting at the wheel while having one foot on the brake and the other on gas.......TOTAL CONTROL and what a rush. :lateral:

Thanks Guys

[rocketman]

You know Pro Street never went anywhere, just everyone has there head stuck up all this Pro touring crap that no one noticed anything else. Not that the pro touring cars arent nice but there are other styles. Pro Street is my fav and when you throw the new wheels, tires, big power whats not to love..

[SDMAN]

What killed 'pro-street' was the complete boredom. Same friggin car time after time. You had to have the mandatory BBC with a blower, totally unuseable suspension, fake wheelie bars, mandatory tin interior, circus wide tires, ludicrous paint job, et al. Yuck. Most of them, if they even ran at all, were the pits to actually use. And most of them spent their life on the trailer because if they ran, it usually wasnt for more than an hour at a time. It didnt start out that way, but thats what it morphed into. And 90% of them were 67-69 camaro's. That didnt help either. BOOORRRING!!!

Im not much into labels, but the 'modern' pro-street thing gives us a chance to go there again, and fix it. So Im not unhappy with this label. My project is currently getting an NHRA 8.50 cert cage and custom headers made. The headers have turned into quite a job, but the guy fabbing them is doing a very good job. Should be done by months end.

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

X2 WITH 2 MORE CENTS WORTH---WORST THING AFTER THE 2 PRO STREET TRUCKS I BUILT WAS THE HANDLING ON WET ROADS --LEARNED REAL QUICK WHY MOST WERE ON A TRAILER!!!:yes: :yes: LUV THE NEW TIRE & WHEEL TECHNOLOGY--MAKES IT A WHOLE NEW WORLD FOR THE BUILDER!!:cheers:

[tyoneal]

This is modern Pro Street, huge engine, cage, wheels and all new technology. This car gets 5MPG and has over 800HP and is a blast to drive.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0008.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0011.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0012.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0021.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0029.jpg
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OMG! It's a Mutant, but a very nice looking one.

How about calling it, Pro Steering?

or,

Pro Tosting?

or,

Trans-Touring? (In honor of Jerry Springer)

or,

Pro Bi-Streetouring? (For the Bretheren in San Fransico who lost on Proposition 8)

I give up, what do you think it should be called, other than Hot?

TY

[tyoneal]

My front tires are the shorter version. They are 12" wide, 18" dia but only 26.25" tall, not the 28" tall. The rears are the 18" wide, 18" dia 29" tall.

Front rims are 11" wide and rear rims are 15" wide.
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With front rims that wide, wht kind of turning radious do you have?

Ty

[SDMAN]

Have not actually driven the car yet. Still under construction. However, the front suspension is all C-5 Corvette with a quick ratio power rack (2.5 turns lock to lock). My front rims are a bit wider than a Corvettes (~1.5"), but I fully expect the turning radius to be the same as a Corvette given that Im using those suspension pieces. Turning radius is affected by several things, (steering arm length, pitman arm length, max steering box swing, etc) but rim width isnt one of them (at least as I understand it).

In an earlier version of this car, I had tall B-body spindles on the factory frame and A-arms, with the QA-1 coilover setup with 10" wide rims. The B-body spindles had longer steering arms on them, and that did noticeably reduce my turning radius.

[awr68]

This is modern Pro Street, huge engine, cage, wheels and all new technology. This car gets 5MPG and has over 800HP and is a blast to drive.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0008.jpg


Chris that's a crazy cool car! What's the fuel range, 50 miles? Even though it's a cool car!! :thumbsup:

Oh, what suspension? And is it a bitch to see past that motor? I know that was one of the issues with the tall motor cars.

[Kenny_Cox]

I considered my fathers 1961 Oldsmobile to be a "modern pro street". It started as a prostreet car but luckily we got through to him. He got hooked up with colorado customs and installed a set of 18x8s on the front and 20x12's on the rear. I would have to scan the image out of a magazine to show the lips but damn they were huge. I sure do miss this car.... Rumor has it the new owner converted it back to pro street, such a shame as far as I am concerned.
http://images.popularhotrodding.com/images/0404_PHRP_01_z_(054-57)-OLDS.jpg

[awr68]

That would be a shame! Cool car!!

[Kenny_Cox]

Thanks man he did really well with the car, was one of the top five finalists for street machine of the year, i just don't remember what year haha.

[Steve Chryssos]

Cam Evans and I orchestrated this beast back in Y2K starting with an insane engine build. Back then, we conspired to build a coupla monster "cover" big blocks to stimulate newsstand sales of Popular Hot Rodding. The 638" Monster Merlin story did well, so a 705" all aluminum Monster Merlin must do better right? Somewhere in between, TF driver Tony Bartone stepped up to fund the whole deal--engine and car.
A Pro Streeter with NASCAR cup martinsville brakes, a C4 vette clip and overdrive? People didn't know what the hell we were doing. Outsiders thought we were nuts or stupid. But everyone involved was on the same page. The Bartone's are hardcore drag racers that also love Porsches and Ferraris. So they knew the deal:
Big brakes, slightly wider front tires, overdrive, fuel injection and the rest was pure pro-street. The 4L80E made the 4.56 gears work better. The front clip and brakes didn't hurt E.T., so why not run 'em? The biggest challenge back in Y2K was the rear tires. The car was actually mocked up/built on Pirelli Scorpion SUV tires while the search for tires continued 345/70-17!! By the time the car was done, the only reasonable available choice turned out to be Prowler tires at only 295mm wide. The Mickey T's make the whole deal work now. Modern pro street is way easier.
I just re-read the article for the first time since 2002. The car still looks fairly current. Read it HERE (http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0305phr_1969_chevrolet_camaro/index.html)

http://images.popularhotrodding.com/features/0305PHR_Bartone03az.jpg
http://images.popularhotrodding.com/features/0305PHR_Bartone02z.jpg

[HRBS]

Steve...... you know I'm diggin this.

[fesler]

Pro Street new style how about this

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0003.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0004.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0011.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0021.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0029.jpg

[907rs]

Pro Street new style how about this


Pretty cool car, Fess.

[jephs422]

I'll always be an old school pro-street junkie, but modern pro-street is starting to make me itch to build one. To me modern pro street takes all of today's technologies and wraps them in an older package.

kinda like this: :unibrow:

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r385/scottshotrods/Build%20Ups/Loomis%2055%20210/IMG_0069.jpg

Big motor, modern injection (good gas mileage), streetable, but still at home on the track.

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r385/scottshotrods/Build%20Ups/Loomis%2055%20210/misc2008237.jpg

and I think that a "Modern" pro-street should be comfortable, not the hard buckets of yester-year, and it better have a kick as stereo!!

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r385/scottshotrods/Build%20Ups/Loomis%2055%20210/IMG_0081.jpg

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r385/scottshotrods/Build%20Ups/Loomis%2055%20210/IMG_0084.jpg

[HaulinAsp]

Pro Street new style how about this

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0003.jpg


That stance is killin:yes: .....



Killin the chit out of the exhaust system.....:wow: You wouldn't get a mile down the road before that exhaust gets ripped off the car up here in Jersey!
:lol:

[fesler]

That stance is killin:yes: .....



Killin the chit out of the exhaust system.....:wow: You wouldn't get a mile down the road before that exhaust gets ripped off the car up here in Jersey!
:lol:

Thats what the shockwaves are for, 1000HP and on air so it rides like a cady and handles like a newer Camaro.

[SDMAN]

Never been an air bag fan. Dont much care for the ride and they can strand you if they fail. And I know users who have been stranded. No thanks. If you have to raise the car to drive it, whats the point? Properly sprung double adjustable coil overs are my preference. You can tune those for street driving and race track use easily. Requires more work to get the ride height as low as possible without running into ground clearance issues, but worth the extra effort.
My current project is about as low as you can be and still drive it without problems, so we went the extra mile on my exhaust to prevent any contact. My custom headers have a transition to 4" oval pipe, and we modified the morrison frame to pass this wider pipe thru the frame rails. NOTHING hangs below the frame rails. Not the headers (and they are 2.250" primary to 4.5" collector), mufflers or any pipe/clamps. Big job, but in the end it will be worth it.

[Josh69]

Fesler, that is awesome. My last '69 Camaro had a tunnel ram with a fuelie style scoop and I sold the car after I removed it to go pro-touring. I just didn't feel the same about the car with the scoop gone.....wish I had left it alone and still had the car. This brings back memories...:thumbsup:

[motorheadmike]

Cam Evans and I orchestrated this beast back in Y2K starting with an insane engine build. Back then, we conspired to build a coupla monster "cover" big blocks to stimulate newsstand sales of Popular Hot Rodding. The 638" Monster Merlin story did well, so a 705" all aluminum Monster Me...

Yeah, that car was ahead of its time, and over the top. :thumbsup:

[64duece]

I built my car with a similar idea. I was a fan of the old school pro street cars back in the day. I also like some of today's pro touring cars. I married the two together in my own way.

55 210 Sedan with 565" BBC, twin Precision 76GTS turbos, hidden water to air intercoolers, Holley EFI, 4L80E w/ etrans controls and paddle shift, custom fabb'd 9" 3.50 gear. Car has a/c, p/w etc. Suspension is Qa1 double adjustable coilovers, tubular control arms, 4 wheel discs, 1 1/8 sway bar/anti-roll bar.

Some recent adds since these pics: 390/45/17 M&H drag radials, ceramic coated hot/cold plumbing etc. No dyno numbers yet but, it's fun to drive!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/64duece/55%20Chevy/DSC00061.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/64duece/565BBC.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/64duece/DSC00664.jpg

[motorheadmike]

Some recent adds since these pics: 390/45/17 M&H drag radials,
Nice!!!

What is the rear rim size? Can you throw up some pics of the M&Hs?

[tones2SS]

I've never really been a fan of pro-street cars, but this "modern" version of the pro-street is kinda cool.
Fesler's car is just nuts and SDMAN's car looks like it's gonna be a beast as well. And kudo's to him for using a Pontiac as well. Looks good.
Nice looking cars guys!!!!:thumbsup: :cheers: :thumbsup:

[osdmike]

Member maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxGuJUyusbA&feature=related

:thumbsup:


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[blown71nova]

Guess My Nova would be definitely Modern Pro Street......
I always thought it ProTouring with a ProStreet Engine!!!!! Never was Really sure had to categorize the car....so i always said it was Pro-Street Touring!!

[CamaroPat]

"Modern" pro street as a classification seems to just be a cleaner, more livable version of what pro street started as. Pro street started as street legal, drivable drag cars, that ran FAST and had a high build quality. The style caught on and tons of cars were cranked out that looked and sounded mean, but ran 15 second quarters, if they didn't blow up. I'm sure there will be "modern" pro street cars that aren't functional, as we're now seeing pro touring style cars that are show only. I hope with the advances in technology and the amazing increase in potential performance available to consumers and builders now, that modern pro-street is defined by cars that run 10's or quicker, look good and are comfortable and reliable. Pro touring should be classic cars that outperform modern sports cars in every way. Unfortunately, there are so many hacks with poor taste and poor judgment that ruin people's perceptions of customization. It's a crying shame when brilliant, credible builders and enthusiasts are over shadowed by goons who degrade a genre, which is what pro street has to recover from and what I pray pro touring doesn't go through.

[a73formula]

modern or old school pro-street always has to have fat rear meats and way to much horsepower. Gas mileage should be the last thing on the list. Just my .02

[cwylie]

Pro Street new style how about this

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0003.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0004.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0011.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0021.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/1969%20Red%20Camaro/Img0029.jpg

This car on Air Ride? Stock front subframe?

[firewood]

Definitely.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i185/joemoney37/Terry_PS_Daytona200915-1.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i185/joemoney37/100_3563.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i185/joemoney37/BobASideview1-1.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i185/joemoney37/100_3564.jpg
This boat flies!

Listen to him cackle!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5qduN3efYQ&feature=player_embedded

[70rs]

^^^^^Pretty cool^^^^^

[tony byram]

X2:thumbsup:

[Procharmo]

Member maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxGuJUyusbA&feature=related

:thumbsup:


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This is an old thread but I just had to post a few stills of that beast and show you all a link of it in action scaring the cattle!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHfXlL5Iagc&feature=related

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2484/badasscamaro2.png
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7421/badasscamaro.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3599/badasscamaro1.png

[v502]

Am on the process of building up my truck.

Every time someone asks me what a am style am going to i have to explain.

Good to know that the style i want has a name :D

[SDMAN]

Update. Glass front end, radiator and intercooler all mounted. Engine going to dyno in Feb. We made some changes there. Were hanging the dual master pedal assembly with balance bar (adjustable from dash) and putting the floor/tunnel in. The custom 28 gallon stainless gas tank is done and installed. Has a triple trap door internal sump, Magnafuel EFI pump and #12 out/#10 return. The radiator is a 34" wide core dual pass, with a pair of 2 speed 17" derale fans. Water pump is mounted on the radiator tank. Both tank pics are with the car on a lift.

[JAWSS]

I think I found my new home!!! My 72 Monte Carlo will be getting a 632 BBC with a 4L85E and a FAB 9 out back. Looking at around 700+ to the wheels or so with A/C and full furniture. Will be doing a functional roll cage as well. I am still looking at what rolling stock, suspension, brakes and other details. Pics to follow soon.