Goodguys Columbus - Friday Update!

[John Drummond]

Hi Everyone in Lateral-G land! I thought I would post the times from today's Street Challenge Autocross. As you know - all contestants for the SMOY award were required to make 3 laps around the Autocross. We had 28 contestants make Autocross runs! We were really happy with the turnout. Sorry I don't hgave pictures to post but it was totally awesome. A lot of fun and some guys were major showmen. I think next year will be even better. Here are today's times. I will post the top 5 SMOY finalists tomorrow afternoon, then try to post the big winner tomorrow eve.

Autocross Times from Friday, July 11th
Kevin Alstott, ’68 Camaro – Best Time 17.6 (Roger Burman built car. Fast!)
Eddie Jannoy, Detroit Speed ’62 Impala, Best Time – 18.2
Erv Woller/Ring Bros ’69 Camaro, Best Time – 18.4
Mark Klopak, ’68 Camaro, Best Time – 18.5
Mark Janos, ’72 ‘Cuda, Best Time – 18.6
Jeff Hanson, “Tech 9” ’69 Camaro – Best Time 18.9
Chris Fesler, ’67 Blazer roadster – Best Time 19.1
Nick Terzich, ’67 Mustang – Best Time 19.1(“Copper Head” Ring Bros car from last year)
Bart Blankmeyer, ’69 Pontiac GTO – Best Time 19.2
Bob Bertelsen, ’67 Camaro, Best Time – 19.2
Frank Serafine “Prodigy Customs”, ’69 Firebird – Best Time 19.3
Ray Thompson, ’68 Camaro, Best Time – 19.5
James McLeod, ’69 Camaro Conv., Best Time – 19.5 (Spun car out, wild showman!)
Kenny Davis, ’69 Camaro – Best Time 19.6
Milton Verret, ’65 Corvette – 19.6 (Awesome Burnouts!)
Ridger Minyard, ’67 Nova, Best Time – 20.4
Maurie Hoover, ’67 Nova, Best Time – 20.4 (ISCA Indoor Car! – out there thrashing it!)
Mike Bates, ’67 Camaro, Best Time – 20.6
John Johnson, ’68 Camaro – Best Time 20.8
Ray Young, ’69 Camaro – Best Time 20.9
Fred Morrison, ’55 Chevy Nomad, Best Time – 21.1
David Carr/Chris Fessler “Draco”, ’69 Camaro – Best Time 21.4
J.F. Launier, ’55 Chrysler Wagon Phaeton, Best Time – 21.6 (Great 8 Ridler Finalist and 2008 GG West Coast Custom of the Year winner out on the Autocross course!! Ran that time after throwing the power steering belt!)
Terry Stinehelfer, ’55 Ford Thunderbird – Best Time 21.7
Mike George, ’69 Camaro, Best Time – 21.8
Glen Baugus, 1972 ‘Cuda, 22.1
Rad Rides by Troy’s “Notorious” 1970 Nova, Best Time – 23.3
Ken Thompson, ’62 Falcon – Best Time 34.3

[Jr]

John,
Thanks for the times...but.. where is the video?

David

[Steve1968LS2]

I expected Troy's Nova to be faster. Did they "parade lap" it?

And he's right.. we need some darn video!! lol

[buickfunnycar.com]

Thanks for posting those:yes: ....man,look at that Ring Bros Camaro fly,not just another pretty face.:thumbsup:

[radrambler]

:ttiwop:

somebody post some freakin pics of the smoy cars....please

radrambler

[4OfaKind]

x2 :_paranoid :mad:

Mal

[GHOSTDANCER]

X3 :unibrow:

[sniper]

I was impressed with Feslers Blazer.
That 17.6 was SMOKIN!

[buickfunnycar.com]

I expected Troy's Nova to be faster...

Can't wait for the first "it must be the tires comment"...:rolleyes:

[G-Body]

Im sure Troys nova needs a little tunning and all it is a fresh build but come on if you cant run with the big dogs.... you know what they say!!!!

[fesler]

Can't wait for the first "it must be the tires comment"...:rolleyes:


No not the tires, they did not have time to do all the tuning like a lot of us but they made it through..... barely.

We pulled 7th place with the Blazer not bad for a off the wall vehicle...:thumbsup:

[Ronny]

Pics please :hail:

Siting on the other side of the world in the middle of the night and pushing the update buttom...

[youthpastor]

No not the tires, they did not have time to do all the tuning like a lot of us but they made it through..... barely.

We pulled 7th place with the Blazer not bad for a off the wall vehicle...:thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[fesler]

I have to download and size and will get a bunch posted up in the morning so you guys can see. Have Video of Autocross as well and will try to get that up.

[69dreamer]

It was great at the end when DSE and Air Ride were battling it out for the fastest times. They were hooked up. Man those car can fly. I think DSE won again. It was a little hard to hear over all the reving engines.

[Denvervet]

I'm a little suprised the Draco Fessler Camaro didn't place even higher. I know that car just got finished . Maybe that 572 is a little heavy for great autocross driving but probably awesome on straights.Bring on the videos:thumbsup:

[J2SpeedandCustom]

John thanks for the update!

What were Kyle and Bret's times?

[72beast]

heres a little tid bit.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd308/72beast/DSCN1224.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd308/72beast/DSCN1217.jpg

[72beast]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd308/72beast/DSCN1214.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd308/72beast/DSCN1245-1.jpg

[72beast]

the air ride and dse guys were beating the living snot out of the cars. IT WAS AWSOME!!

[buickfunnycar.com]

the air ride and dse guys were beating the living snot out of the cars. IT WAS AWSOME!!

Oh man...I'm jealous!:bow:

[72beast]

i wanted to see this thing run the autocross.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd308/72beast/DSCN1254.jpg

this should piss off the wine and cheese crowd.

[Van B]

I was only there for a few hours, but got to see some of the autocross, met Frank and Lisa and Yancy a little later. Hope to see more of the guys tomorrow.

[mtlinvtns]

Does anyone know if the nemesis mustang made it to the show. I didn't see it on the list of autocross times. I thought that they were trying for smoty?

[72beast]

Does anyone know if the nemesis mustang made it to the show. I didn't see it on the list of autocross times. I thought that they were trying for smoty?

i didnt see it there.

[Al Moreno]

Kevin Alstott, ’68 Camaro – Best Time 17.6 (Roger Burman built car. Fast!)

http://www.ridetech.com/more/nggallery/post/good-guys-street-machine-of-the-year-autocross/album-6/gallery-50/

I'm surprised that this car did so well considering it was a convertible. Does anybody have any stats on it?

[Tom.A]

The Kenny Davis built camaro looks really good with wheel change imo.
http://www.ridetech.com/more/wp-content/gallery/kenny-davis/IMG_6287.jpg

Thanks for the Air Ride link Al. It is neat to see some of the other cars and the Fesler Blazer carving it up.

[fesler]

I'm a little suprised the Draco Fessler Camaro didn't place even higher. I know that car just got finished . Maybe that 572 is a little heavy for great autocross driving but probably awesome on straights.Bring on the videos:thumbsup:

Being that we just finished this car we had no tunning time and wanted to hammer it but could not get it to run right. Made the three laps needed as fast as it would run and will go again at the next show they have it. Lots of people had tunning issues out there, never enough time to finish projects.

[John Drummond]

Regarding Troy's Nova and it's slower times, - it was transmission troubles that kept them from having the performance they wanted. They were having frequency problems with the eletrical aspect of the Bowler tranny. They thrashed all Friday morning before finally saying "heck with it" and unplugged it, which deafults that tranny to second gear. They idled over there and did all three laps in second gear. It was a circumstance where they just wanted to get the laps in. I spoke to Troy personally this morning and that's the scoop.

I will post the top five finalists this afternoon. Stay tuned

[Van B]

I agree on the Kenny Davis car. Nice.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Kevin Alstott, ’68 Camaro – Best Time 17.6 (Roger Burman built car. Fast!)

http://www.ridetech.com/more/nggallery/post/good-guys-street-machine-of-the-year-autocross/album-6/gallery-50/

I'm surprised that this car did so well considering it was a convertible. Does anybody have any stats on it?
I put interior in that car also,I can tell what i know.Carburated small block,DSE front subframe,DSE rear,700r auto.It has a roll bar in it so its been tied side to side.It was built with the autocross in mind.Roger has raced motorcross for years so he isn't afraid of speed

[camaro_in_another_life]

Regarding Troy's Nova and it's slower times, - it was transmission troubles that kept them from having the performance they wanted. They were having frequency problems with the eletrical aspect of the Bowler tranny. They thrashed all Friday morning before finally saying "heck with it" and unplugged it, which deafults that tranny to second gear. They idled over there and did all three laps in second gear. It was a circumstance where they just wanted to get the laps in. I spoke to Troy personally this morning and that's the scoop.

I will post the top five finalists this afternoon. Stay tuned

Funny how no one talks about the fact that Troy's Nova casually rolled in to do the autocross at exactly 2pm without ever having to show or stage with the other participants.

How come a Goodguys employee is commenting on this car and its times but no one elses? Doesn't seem fair to me.

Carrie (not afraid to say it outloud) Fesler

[NvrDun71]

So who made the top 5?

[esscott]

Thought I'd let you guys in on the first round of post on our site covering the event. There will be more coming - I'm posting stuff from the show and hotel of an evening. I think it will be easy to see, this event is rockin' and the addition of requiring the SMOTY contenders to run at least 3 laps on the Street Challenge Autocross was just too awesome... enjoy the photos and look for videos to be added soon:

http://www.ridetech.com/more/wp-content/gallery/glen-baugus/IMG_6305.jpg

http://www.ridetech.com/more/wp-content/gallery/bob-bertelsen/IMG_6689.jpg

http://www.ridetech.com/more/wp-content/gallery/chris-fesler/IMG_6373.jpg

more:

http://www.ridetech.com/more/2008/07/12/good-guys-street-machine-of-the-year-autocross/

[John Drummond]

Hi Carrie. Thank you for at least signing your name to your post. Let me answer your question correctly. The official contest rules for SMOY state that the cars had to be parked in the Pro's Pick Friday and Saturday. The car in question went over there and parked in the Pro's Pick after the Autocross Friday and was parked in the PP again today. It also made it's required three laps in the Autocross so it fits eligibility just like the others.

I just found out today about the technical difficulties with the car's transmission and with a 12-page thread on this board about that particular car I thought it would relevant to post why it was so slow in the Autocross.

That's about it.

[camcojb]

Hi Carrie. Thank you for at least signing your name to your post. Let me answer your question correctly. The official contest rules for SMOY state that the cars had to be parked in the Pro's Pick Friday and Saturday. The car in question went over there and parked in the Pro's Pick after the Autocross Friday and was parked in the PP again today. It also made it's required three laps in the Autocross so it fits eligibility just like the others.

I just found out today about the technical difficulties with the car's transmission and with a 12-page thread on this board about that particular car I thought it would relevant to post why it was so slow in the Autocross.

That's about it.

thanks John.

Jody

[John Drummond]

Here are the Top Five Fianlists for SMOY 2008:

Goodguys/Air Ride Technologies 2008 Street Machine of the Year

Erv Woller, ’69 Camaro, Spring Green, WI (Ring Bros)
Kevin Alstott, 68 Camaro, Ft Dodge, IA (Roger Burman/Lakeside Rods Built)
Gary Abraham, ’70 Nova, Chicago Ridge, IL (RRBT Built)
Jeff Hansen, ’69 Camaro, Oxford Ridge, MI (Tech 9 Camaro)
James McLeod, ’69 Camaro Convertible, Hudson, FL (Modern Muscle Built)

[Roger M]

I know this gets away from SMOTY, but what cars made it to the SROTY finals?

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Congrats to all in the top 5!

4 of the 5 are Camaro's that's awesome!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[NovaBlue71]

Hey what's up with all the camaro's?:lol: Well aleast we have one nova in the top 5. Congrat's to all those in top 5 :thumbsup: Joe

[camaro_in_another_life]

Hi Carrie. Thank you for at least signing your name to your post. Let me answer your question correctly. The official contest rules for SMOY state that the cars had to be parked in the Pro's Pick Friday and Saturday. The car in question went over there and parked in the Pro's Pick after the Autocross Friday and was parked in the PP again today. It also made it's required three laps in the Autocross so it fits eligibility just like the others.

I just found out today about the technical difficulties with the car's transmission and with a 12-page thread on this board about that particular car I thought it would relevant to post why it was so slow in the Autocross.

That's about it.

Whats funny about your quote John is that other participants had technical problems and were told by Goodguys staff that if they were not in the Pros pick area by 10:30am on Saturday, they would be disqualified. Had we known that we could have hung out in our booth all day till 2pm we would have done that since having cars in your booth draws attention. I am pretty sure the other vendors would have liked that too.

Look, I don't need this to turn into a "boohoo, Fesler is a sore loser" post. I dig Troy's car alot, he is an awsome builder and we will never have anything negative to say about him. I just think the rules should be the same for everyone (or at least conveyed the same to everyone).

Carrie Fesler

[68protouring454]

Whats funny about your quote John is that other participants had technical problems and were told by Goodguys staff that if they were not in the Pros pick area by 10:30am on Saturday, they would be disqualified. Had we known that we could have hung out in our booth all day till 2pm we would have done that since having cars in your booth draws attention. I am pretty sure the other vendors would have liked that too.

Look, I don't need this to turn into a "boohoo, Fesler is a sore loser" post. I dig Troy's car alot, he is an awsome builder and we will never have anything negative to say about him. I just think the rules should be the same for everyone (or at least conveyed the same to everyone).

Carrie Fesler
http://simplybasicsoftware.com/SBSimages/NoWhining.gif
theres no whining in hot rodding........ the end
2 posts ever and both whining........
the big builders would let each other have more time, the experienced guys know what it takes and how hard it is to do these shows, just like at the drags, lose a cylinder, go next door and get one to get back racing.....

[fesler]

No whining is correct and Carrie is not whining (if you knew her you would understand) the problem we have is that we blew a bag 40 min before we had to be in the pro pick on Friday (deadline was 10am) or we were out per Goodguys rules, we were not told we had till 3pm to fix our car we were told if it was not in the area on time we could not show...... We luckily made it over there with about 10 min to spare and troys car was no where to be found it was at the back of the grounds being worked on.

At noon sharp they moved all of us minus troy over to the track to sit and wait out our times to race. We sat there from noon till 3:30 PM running (which once again was required) and troy's car was no were to be seen untill 3pm. I wish we had more time to work on suspension so we could have done better.

At which point he ran the coarse and did make it through and right after they let him take the car right back to work on it. He showed up over at PP later after all of us where there. I feel for the guy and he build top notch stuff but Goodguys makes rules for a reason. I myself along with most of the builders I am sure would of had no problem giving them more time but were never asked. If I have to be there so do they but I guess Goodguys makes the rules as they go.

There were a lot of killer cars there and the competition was great, we are not sore losers just following the rules. Regardless of what anyone on this site thinks the Blazer can run with any car out there and I think we proved that on the coarse. We drive it and we drive it hard not sandbagging it around the road coarse. We did get 7th with the blazer 1st time on the track.

If you guys would like to call it whining so be it but rules are rules and I think Goodguys really dropped the ball here.

If you had a chance to walk the show and look at all the cars I think most of you would agree that the Blazer and 69 Camaro we brought out were with all the top cars and we won nothing at the show.

Bottom line is everyone else followed the rules and Troy was given special treatment by Goodguys. Troy, Ring and all the others had bitchen cars at the show and our hats go off to Ring for the win and whats done is done.

We will not have the cars in the PP area so If you would like to see them come by our booth they will both be on display there.

[68protouring454]

No whining is correct and Carrie is not whining (if you knew her you would understand) the problem we have is that we blew a bag 40 min before we had to be in the pro pick on Friday (deadline was 10am) or we were out per Goodguys rules, we were not told we had till 3pm to fix our car we were told if it was not in the area on time we could not show...... We luckily made it over there with about 10 min to spare and troys car was no where to be found it was at the back of the grounds being worked on.

At noon sharp they moved all of us minus troy over to the track to sit and wait out our times to race. We sat there from noon till 3:30 PM running (which once again was required) and troy's car was no were to be seen untill 3pm. I wish we had more time to work on suspension so we could have done better.

At which point he ran the coarse and did make it through and right after they let him take the car right back to work on it. He showed up over at PP later after all of us where there. I feel for the guy and he build top notch stuff but Goodguys makes rules for a reason. I myself along with most of the builders I am sure would of had no problem giving them more time but were never asked. If I have to be there so do they but I guess Goodguys makes the rules as they go.

There were a lot of killer cars there and the competition was great, we are not sore losers just following the rules. Regardless of what anyone on this site thinks the Blazer can run with any car out there and I think we proved that on the coarse. We drive it and we drive it hard not sandbagging it around the road coarse. We did get 7th with the blazer 1st time on the track.

If you guys would like to call it whining so be it but rules are rules and I think Goodguys really dropped the ball here.

If you had a chance to walk the show and look at all the cars I think most of you would agree that the Blazer and 69 Camaro we brought out were with all the top cars and we won nothing at the show.

Bottom line is everyone else followed the rules and Troy was given special treatment by Goodguys. Troy, Ring and all the others had bitchen cars at the show and our hats go off to Ring for the win and whats done is done.

We will not have the cars in the PP area so If you would like to see them come by our booth they will both be on display there.
lol, how many different directions can you go? its ok not everyone gets a pros pick, but the RIGHT cars made the top 5, thats for sure.

[fesler]

lol, how many different directions can you go? its ok not everyone gets a pros pick, but the RIGHT cars made the top 5, thats for sure.

Obviously you did not get a chance to check the fit and finish on the final cars very well if you think they were the best. I dont have a problem being beat that is not the case at all, but there were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish by far...... I do have a problem being beat by a car with bad body work and paint when we spend so much time on making that perfect.

[68protouring454]

Obviously you did not get a chance to check the fit and finish on the final cars very well if you think they were the best. I dont have a problem being beat that is not the case at all, but there were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish by far...... I do have a problem being beat by a car with bad body work and paint when we spend so much time on making that perfect.
you obviously have not been to many goodguys shows, it has its own politics and your not gonna change that the 2nd time you show up.
good luck your camaro is nice, theres no need to be bitter

[fesler]

Not Bitter, we have been doing the Goodguys for 10 years and have been a sponsor for 3 years now. We know how it goes and just get tired of the same old sh%t at every show.

[radrambler]

feslers

i agree........i know it must be very upsetting to get put into this "spot"..
you and your wife have alot invested to make the "show" as those you were up against did .
you have every right to express to us what has really happened
everyone is supposed to play by the same "rules".
it is sad that you can be a real player in a competition and get bumped so to speak by someone with a bigger name , because of the name .so it would appear to us reading this post.
goodguys should have made ALL play by the same rules and if there was a problem with any one car , addressed ALL competitors and asked for input or a vote so nobody felt backhanded .then nobody would be in this situation . im sure it sucked busting ass to get your vehicle repaired as quickly as you did to make it within the time limit and rules and someone else didnt.

oh,quality doesnt always but should make a winner in the car show scene also.
most of us have come up against that....it sucks
you as an entry "make the show " what it is .so you have the right to tell your story.
i dont think anyone should look at your story and call you a sore loser.
it is what it is...
great job putting the blazer into an autocross and finishing where you did.
who would have thought.


radrambler

[porkchop]

At the pro' pick area the car that kept bringing me back was the fesler camaro.The fit and finish on that car was second to none.Be proud Chris your car kicked ass! And not regular ass, like karate kid ass.There's something about a black that will never go out of style.

[camcojb]

Obviously the Fesler car has fit and finish that's incredible, many people that were there said the same thing. SMOY judges must be looking at more than just fit and finish and saw something in the other cars that had them putting them in the Top 5. Doesn't mean that Chris' and others couldn't have been in there also, I think there was just a ton of quality cars there and only a few spots available.



Jody

[DOOM]

Obviously the Fesler car has fit and finish that's incredible, many people that were there said the same thing. SMOY judges must be looking at more than just fit and finish and saw something in the other cars that had them putting them in the Top 5. Doesn't mean that Chris' and others couldn't have been in there also, I think there was just a ton of quality cars there and only a few spots available.



Jody

Jody well said!
But I totally understand what Chris is saying. I can go on for hours on this subject and get my a*@ handed to me ! I choose to here what other people have to say especially any GOOD GUY'S higher ups. Its hard for a guy like me that wants to get into this arena only to have more political BS to deal with!! Im done:cheers:

[BRIAN]

Hey, there is always going to be sore spots when something is judged. Quality and style is an opinion. Maybe some clear rules stating how each part is judged and what is looked for would help. It appears that more input from Goodguys as to exactly what is looked for is needed. That being said a hot pink car with 22's might be the better quality car and have more creativity than an all black Camaro.


Your car looks killer and unlike most on these sites list your name and who you are. It is easy to post opinions when you do not post who you are. You feel there was a problem and posted what it was. I think you have valid points if rules were broken. A loss on a technical issue sucks but should be enforced no matter who you are. Then again who the F am I to get involved.

Too many nice rides and difficult I am sure to judge and make everyone happy.


Wait till next year when everybody shows up with pro drivers. Didn't JR have a Camaro built by DSE?

[buickfunnycar.com]

Obviously the Fesler car has fit and finish that's incredible, many people that were there said the same thing. SMOY judges must be looking at more than just fit and finish and saw something in the other cars that had them putting them in the Top 5. Doesn't mean that Chris' and others couldn't have been in there also, I think there was just a ton of quality cars there and only a few spots available.

Jody

Totally agreed Jody,politics are involved with every show...especially a GG show.
Chris,from what I could see in the limited pictures that were presented,your Camaro is arrow straight and the finish is spectaular...no doubt...and I didn't even see it in person to be able to figure that out.
It is what it is man:yes: ...keep on keeping on doing what you do and your day will come.:thumbsup:

[MarkM66]

Obviously you did not get a chance to check the fit and finish on the final cars very well if you think they were the best. I dont have a problem being beat that is not the case at all, but there were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish by far...... I do have a problem being beat by a car with bad body work and paint when we spend so much time on making that perfect.

There were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish then the 5 finalist?

[nvr2fst]

lol, how many different directions can you go? its ok not everyone gets a pros pick, but the RIGHT cars made the top 5, thats for sure.

Jake I would have to disagree on the top five. Im not saying that the five picked didnt deserve it. But the 72 red cuda should have been one of the five IMO I believe the judges overlooked that car. It also would of broke up the multiple camaro and camaro/nova choices.
dave

[tjbruning]

Jake I would have to disagree on the top five. Im not saying that the five picked didnt deserve it. But the 72 red cuda should have been one of the five IMO I believe the judges overlooked that car. It also would of broke up the multiple camaro and camaro/nova choices.
dave

that 'cuda was really nice. Another car with tuning issues (slow track time). The twin-procharged 6.1 HEMI was definitely an eye catcher. I think that the smoothed over "street rod" styling wasn't what the judges were looking for in a street machine IMO.

As others have said, lot of really nice cars that could have held their own in the top five. So many varying styles to choose from, and each have their merits. Congrats to those who made it and of course to Mike & Jim for outdoing themselves with the Razor.

:cool:

[Steve1968LS2]

I noticed a trend in 4 of the 5 "top 5" cars... low on bling in the engine bay and wheels especially.

[CCandR]

Obviously you did not get a chance to check the fit and finish on the final cars very well if you think they were the best. I dont have a problem being beat that is not the case at all, but there were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish by far...... I do have a problem being beat by a car with bad body work and paint when we spend so much time on making that perfect.

I was gonna rant on this subject but that said it for me. I'll say no more :rolleyes:
2 out of 5 right is not bad is it?:_paranoid

[Van B]

I was glad to get the opportunity to look over the top 5 yesterday after reading Chris Fesler's post on Saturday night. With any judged event there is going to be some second guessing. I have to say that though I did see the things I think he was talking about, it would have been pretty boring to have this lineup.

black Camaro
black Camaro
black Camaro
gray Camaro
gray Nova-maro

I can imagine the cursing that happened when the trunk on the Time Machines Camaro got crunched. Anybody else see that it looked like someone closed it on top of something?

[nvr2fst]

I was glad to get the opportunity to look over the top 5 yesterday after reading Chris Fesler's post on Saturday night. With any judged event there is going to be some second guessing. I have to say that though I did see the things I think he was talking about, it would have been pretty boring to have this lineup.

black Camaro
black Camaro
black Camaro
gray Camaro
gray Nova-maro

I can imagine the cursing that happened when the trunk on the Time Machines Camaro got crunched. Anybody else see that it looked like someone closed it on top of something?

Jeff When that that happen to mikes car I taked to Mike for about an hour and nothing was said or it happened on Sunday after I left.

[nvr2fst]

Obviously you did not get a chance to check the fit and finish on the final cars very well if you think they were the best. I dont have a problem being beat that is not the case at all, but there were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish by far...... I do have a problem being beat by a car with bad body work and paint when we spend so much time on making that perfect.

Chris I talked to you breifly at the show and Im not an expert in any way but one thing I noticed is that the door margins to the front fenders didnt match per side gap wise. Did somthing shift autocrossing I didnt notice this the first time i looked at the car. But I will say the black is one of the best Ive seen, great depth in color.
dave

[Van B]

Jeff When that that happen to mikes car I taked to Mike for about an hour and nothing was said or it happened on Sunday after I left.

I saw it on Sunday when I was checking for bad bodywork and poor fit and finish on the top 5 cars. (refer to earlier posts in this thread)

[kennyd]

here is my take on it all .
the top 2 cars were , troys nova and rings camaro ! hands down .....
then all of the other cars ! 2,3,4,5 place is not a happy place for me .

i also read the rules and thought troy was permitted a little xtra time to fix his car , so what . he had one of the 2 best cars on the show grounds . so by letting troy try to fix his car it made it a fight for the top spot !

if i have any bitch about the outcome it was that the 72 red cuda was not in the top 5 . that car was as nice as a troy or ring car .

[kennyd]

Obviously you did not get a chance to check the fit and finish on the final cars very well if you think they were the best. I dont have a problem being beat that is not the case at all, but there were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish by far...... I do have a problem being beat by a car with bad body work and paint when we spend so much time on making that perfect.


i also think you are a jackA$$ fessler ! you are the type of builder we dont need !

sorry if this offends anyone other than him

[sniper]

i also read the rules and thought troy was permitted a little xtra time to fix his car , so what. he had one of the 2 best cars on the show grounds . so by letting troy try to fix his car it made it a fight for the top spot!

i also think you are a jackA$$ fessler ! you are the type of builder we dont need!
I don't have a dog in this fight but I found this interesting.

Just thought I'd put these two quotes together to show the irony in them.
It's the same attitude that allowed the judges to break the rules for someone with a certain name.

For what it's worth, if you allow people to break the "rules" why have rules at all?

[kennyd]

I don't have a dog in this fight but I found this interesting.

Just thought I'd put these two quotes together to show the irony in them.
It's the same attitude that allowed the judges to break the rules for someone with a certain name.

For what it's worth, if you allow people to break the "rules" why have rules at all?


fessler was running his mouth all weekend , and before the event started .
fessler did not have a dog in this fight ! or did I . he wants to go on here and say how perfect his car was and bash others cars . i dont play that game .

if the 2 best cars show up and have probems give them time to fix what they need so they fight it out to see who had the best car ! if troys car was not allowed to enter it would be like " shooting fish in a barrell "

[sniper]

fessler was running his mouth all weekend , and before the event started .
fessler did not have a dog in this fight ! or did I . he wants to go on here and say how perfect his car was and bash others cars . i dont play that game .

if the 2 best cars show up and have probems give them time to fix what they need so they fight it out to see who had the best car ! if troys car was not allowed to enter it would be like " shooting fish in a barrell "

This is the last thing I'll say on the subject, as this is going to head south real quick.
he wants to go on here and say how perfect his car was and bash others cars . i dont play that game .

How is what you are saying any different than what you claim fesler has said?

You are basicaly saying everything else that was there was ****. Let me grab the quote so you can't say I am putting words in your mouth.
if troys car was not allowed to enter it would be like " shooting fish in a barrell "
So again, the rules apply to only those that didn't havethe name troy. Does that about sum up your argument? If it is then that is ok, but please just come out and say it.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

i also think you are a jackA$$ fessler ! you are the type of builder we dont need !

sorry if this offends anyone other than him

http://members.arstechnica.com/x/freeman/homer-eating-popcorn-small-c7873.jpg

[68protouring454]

http://www.offenburger.com/images/SignForFansBooneTrack.jpg
sounds like sniper has gotten sniped out of a pros pick or two.
This happens at racetracks every Saturday night. Here's a nice "pit gate" sign for you. It ain't about the rules. It's about sportsmanship. Instead of whining, grab a wrench and help Troy get his car running right, then go out and beat him fair and square. THAT's sporstmanship.
if they kicked him out friday, and it was not troy/ring on top, whoever bumped into troys spot would of had a tainted 2nd place plaque, with everyone muttering "if troys cars tranny didn't act up" so they gave him some time to make it and in the end the best car won, which was a car with no issues.

[68protouring454]

SPORTSMANSHIP

kenny isn't bashing anyone, and if he was he was bashing himself included.
kennys got class, which apparently you or fesler do not

[sniper]

sounds like sniper has gotten sniped out of a pros pick or two.

Maybe you missed it, but let me repost this just for you.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I found this interesting.

Maybe if I wanted to goto shows to win, I'd cover my car in a 1/2" thick coat of filler to get a "show quality" car.:lol:

[68protouring454]

Maybe you missed it, but let me repost this just for you.


Maybe if I wanted to goto shows to win, I'd cover my car in a 1/2" thick coat of filler to get a "show quality" car.:lol:

i never said you had something there this year, sounds like your goodguys experience in yrs past has you bitter, thats all

[notorious1970]

Im actually kind of amused at the amount of controversy that notorious has been getting for the fact that it was given extra time..blah blah blah. Kind of fits its whole personality and its name...hehe.

Bottom line is that the ring brothers, troys crew and all of us had some :cheers: on Friday night and Saturday night after they won. A trophy and an opinion from a group of judges wont change our friendship. My dad and my bros can care less because we know the kind of car we got. People will and have talked major sh*t about the nova being untroylike or whatever...but to those people i say this, does your car have 50+ venders that want it for the SEMA show???? It was an awesome time and I also think that Cuda should have been in the top 5. Since goodguys didnt put autocross footage on their site of this car, check out the short video i made :lateral:

YWIo1ck3Vbo

[Ricochet]

Bottom line is that the ring brothers, troys crew and all of us had some :cheers: on Friday night and Saturday night after they won. A trophy and an opinion from a group of judges wont change our friendship.

Well said!! There is more to this hobby than winning a title or trophy IMO. Whether or not it was Ring Bros or Troy that won - the biggest thing is that they are both class acts. Their humbleness and lack of attitude just makes them better. I have talked with both many of times and they are as good as they come.

Brent

[FreddieCougar]

This is the last thing I'll say on the subject, as this is going to head south real quick.


Going to?

It's already there, in my opinion. It would be nice if we could all just be celebrating the fantastic cars, new ideas, and genuine friendships in the industry instead of bitching and whining about a judged award that doesn't decide how nice your car is. It is a nice accolade, for sure, but if your car is beautiful, and you are happy with it, it will still be just as beautiful with that open spot on your mantle.

[kennyd]

[QUOTE=notorious1970;156881]Im actually kind of amused at the amount of controversy that notorious has been getting for the fact that it was given extra time..blah blah blah. Kind of fits its whole personality and its name...hehe.

Bottom line is that the ring brothers, troys crew and all of us had some :cheers: on Friday night and Saturday night after they won. A trophy and an opinion from a group of judges wont change our friendship. My dad and my bros can care less because we know the kind of car we got. People will and have talked major sh*t about the nova being untroylike or whatever...but to those people i say this, does your car have 50+ venders that want it for the SEMA show???? It was an awesome time and I also think that Cuda should have been in the top 5. Since goodguys didnt put autocross footage on their site of this car, check out the short video i made :lateral:


unlike troy ? typical troy badass car !!!

[Van B]

It's already there, in my opinion. It would be nice if we could all just be celebrating the fantastic cars, new ideas, and genuine friendships in the industry instead of bitching and whining about a judged award that doesn't decide how nice your car is. It is a nice accolade, for sure, but if your car is beautiful, and you are happy with it, it will still be just as beautiful with that open spot on your mantle.


+1 :yes:

[melman109]

WOW this is entertaining :D

Let me start off by saying, I feel everyone on this site can build top quality rides. I havn't seen a car yet that was built by a builder on this site that was not show quality. Car shows aren't always about taking home first place, it's about "Showing off" your car, giving amateur builders like myself something to drool over, and having a good time with fellow builders. As long as you or your client is happy with the car thats all that matters in the end. :lateral:

[rocketman]

SPORTSMANSHIP

kenny isn't bashing anyone, and if he was he was bashing himself included.
kennys got class, which apparently you or fesler do not




I know Kenny and Travis they are some of the coolest guys I have met.Kenny speaks his mind gotta respect that. Personally there car should been in there but it wasn't. That Top 5 was tough wouldn't have wanted to been a judge, Was cool to see another buddy in the Top 5 Roger Burman that car is sweet.

You know if your ride didnt place must be a reason. figure out why. then fix it

[syborg tt]

okay really I don't care about the cars

Did anyone get pics of the Indian girl in the Black Dress - That's all I really care about.


Please Please Please tell me someone got a picture of her

[novanutcase]

okay really I don't care about the cars

Did anyone get pics of the Indian girl in the Black Dress - That's all I really care about.


Please Please Please tell me someone got a picture of her

Still have that "picture" in my mind!

PHEW! She was SMOKIN'!:wow:

John

[ironworks]

I have 2 questions, Since when do you ask anyone if they have a picture, you take pics of everything, How did you miss that.

2nd is it even slightly possible she was local? Because Ohio is still the land of the Solid 6.5.

[Jr]

2nd is it even slightly possible she was local? Because Ohio is still the land of the Solid 6.5.
:hail: :rofl:

[novanutcase]

My .02!

I've never spoken to Chris Fesler for any length of time so I'll refrain from commenting on him as it wouldn't be fair. I have spoken to Kenny and Travis on many occasions and they are both VERY passionate about our hobby!
Do I think it was unfair that Troy got extra time? Before I answer that question, maybe we should wonder if ANYTHING is truly fair! Those that have paid their dues in any sort of event will always be granted extra perks because of their stature in that particular arena. That's why they call it "paying your dues". I wonder if Troy, in his earlier years, ever ran into this situation? I would bet that he did but he had to suck it up and move on.
I feel that he has earned the accomodation he was afforded. What bothers me is that a lot of this hostility is being focused on RRBT when it should be pointed at GG and the way they interpreted the rules but at the end of the day it comes down to this. It's there sandbox and if you want play in it you have to play with whatever rules they deem are fair!
Does it suck that you had to stress out and rush to get your car up and running while they were working on theirs( and I'm sure stressing out just as much as you guys)? Sure does but anyone that is coming up in any industry has the same uphill battle when it comes to having to try and squeeze in and take some of the market share away from the big boys along with them having the upper hand due to already being there and having the confidence of the people that can get you where you want to go.

John

[youthpastor]

I noticed a trend in 4 of the 5 "top 5" cars... low on bling in the engine bay and wheels especially.

I agree Steve, kinda reminds me of the Scott Sullivan days- very clean-Chris

[ccracin]

I have 2 questions, Since when do you ask anyone if they have a picture, you take pics of everything, How did you miss that.

2nd is it even slightly possible she was local? Because Ohio is still the land of the Solid 6.5.

Can't argue with any of that.

How many pictures Marty? Great to finally meet you. You too Roger, I was beginning to think this was a vertically challenged hobby.

Later,

[ccracin]

My .02!

I've never spoken to Chris Fesler for any length of time so I'll refrain from commenting on him as it wouldn't be fair. I have spoken to Kenny and Travis on many occasions and they are both VERY passionate about our hobby!
Do I think it was unfair that Troy got extra time? Before I answer that question, maybe we should wonder if ANYTHING is truly fair! Those that have paid their dues in any sort of event will always be granted extra perks because of their stature in that particular arena. That's why they call it "paying your dues". I wonder if Troy, in his earlier years ever ran into this situation? I would bet that he did but he had to suck it up and move on.
I feel that he has earned the accomodation he was afforded. What bothers me is that a lot of this hostility is being focused on RRBT when it should be pointed at GG and the way they interpreted the rules but at the end of the day it comes down to this. It's there sandbox and if you want play in it you have to play with whatever rules they deem are fair!
Does it suck that you had to stress out and rush to get your car up and running while they were working on theirs( and I'm sure stressing out just as much as you guys)? Sure does but anyone that is coming up in any industry has the same uphill battle when it comes to having to try and squeeze in and take some of the market share away from the big boys along with them having the upper hand due to already being there and having the confidence of the people that can get you where you want to go.

John

Well said John. I did in fact talk at length with Chris Fesler and can say that in my opinion anything he and his team said come from that same passion for what they do. Some just express opinions more PC than others. I would caution forming long lasting opinions based on this weekend. Everyone had a lot of time and money invested and emotions run high. I think all involved are good shops and people. Let's move on. Some times the sweetest victories come when you have overcome what looks like favoritism. I know if Kenny, Chris, Jeff, Frank and so on go for SMOY again, they will all step up there game. When that happens, lookout. It will be something to see.

Later,

[NovaBlue71]

Well said John and Chad. :thumbsup: Joe

[PRRC]

Since this has gotten so entertaining, here's my take on the whole situation....

I enjoyed the autocross but if it does not count toward anything, whats the point of making cars run it? Have a seperate award for cars that run the auto x, along with a quarter mile and a braking competition. The others can make a 100 mile round trip cruise to prove they function and compete for the SMOY. Dont seem that complicated to me. I dont know Chris Fesler personally, but that is due to the fact that he dissed me and didnt shake my hand when we were introduced a year ago. I do know Kenny Davis and I cant say enough about the advice and help he has provided over the past couple of years as we were breaking into this business. I really dont give a damn who wins any of the awards, congrats to those who do. The fun of an event like GG is drinking beer in the parking lot with the guys from KD Hotrods, John Henson, J. Rushforth, Schott wheels, and my friends I have known for thirty years. Car shows are no different than life itself, there will be dissapointments. Do you sit around and pout or move on? On a final note, I thought Razor was the best and deserved to win. Great car!!

Jim (the usually quiet half of PRRC)

[FaBrycation]

2nd is it even slightly possible she was local? Because Ohio is still the land of the Solid 6.5.

hey now!

being from Ohio let me teach ya'll something!

if ya'll are in Ohio, lookin for good lookin 8-10 girls at a car show where a ton of old dudes hang out, good luck! you ain't gunna find it.

and Ohio girls arent much for bars and restaurants either.

Ohio is different, you gotta go out to the country and look for the Barn Parties! :thumbsup: :cheers:

Class dismissed!

[Rellim51]

but to those people i say this, does your car have 50+ venders that want it for the SEMA show????

I would love to see that list of 50+ vendors.

[Rellim51]

i also think you are a jackA$$ fessler ! you are the type of builder we dont need !

sorry if this offends anyone other than him

Finally! Someone man enough to stand up and say what everyone else is thinking.

[Rellim51]

Let me start off by saying, I feel everyone on this site can build top quality rides. I havn't seen a car yet that was built by a builder on this site that was not show quality.

That's just not true! If you go off the posts on this message board(and others) everyone on here's building Riddler cars, when in reality, VERY few of them are "top quality cars". Lots of "Message Board Heroes" are in fact the laughing stock of the real world. Fesler was set up from the beginning. He posted pictures of his car and stated he was going for SMOY. He should have been told from the very beginning that neither of his cars are SMOY quality. Instead most people told him how awesome they were and acted like he could actually win, thus his ego and expectations grew as fast as the replies to his thread. I'm not saying he doesn't have a nice car, the paint is some of the best I've seen on a muscle car, but do you actually think this car is a SMOY contender given the past winners( Troy's Chicane, Ring's Mustang, Johnson's Cuda)? Even the most novice of members here should be able to see the difference. I'm not saying that we should nit pick and bash every builder that posts pics of a project on here but when it's obvious they are taking a knife to a gun fight, they should be told so.

[shiftytim]

Finally! Someone man enough to stand up and say what everyone else is thinking.
Amen to that.
After listening to this blow-hard run his mouth, especially lately on the message boards, it's good to see someone finally call him out on it. Listening to Fessler speak poorly of others' work and in general was a treat this past weekend. Loud, rude, and ready to cut someone down at the first chance. Learn some respect, son, as word gets around fast.

[XcYZ]

That's just not true! If you go off the posts on this message board(and others) everyone on here's building Riddler cars, when in reality, VERY few of them are "top quality cars". Lots of "Message Board Heroes" are in fact the laughing stock of the real world.

Who said anyone was building Riddler cars? I think you're making a huge jump with your assumption there. I do believe that most of the professional shops that are members here or lurk here can turn out exceptional product. It ultimately boils down to the customer, how far he/she wants to go with it and how deep their pockets are.

Your little speach makes it sound like if someone enjoys being a part of an online community, they cannot build a car. The irony of that statement is that 3 of the top 5 cars up for the SMOY are cars built and/or owned by regular members here (Ring Brothers, Notorious from Troy, and Hanson).

I didn't realize 3 of the top 5 cars up for SMOY were the laughing stock of the "real world". :lol:

[Blake Foster]

JOHN
yea i saw that!!!! black dress, no pic tho figured that might be too difficult to explane wen i got home......... i think the whole group noticed that.!! nice. best of show

[syborg tt]

I have 2 questions, Since when do you ask anyone if they have a picture, you take pics of everything, How did you miss that.

I know, I know - my bad. I screwed up I was so impressed by her that i was actually camera shy.



2nd is it even slightly possible she was local? Because Ohio is still the land of the Solid 6.5

I've learned that anything is possible in this world.

[syborg tt]

Can't argue with any of that.

How many pictures Marty? Great to finally meet you. You too Roger, I was beginning to think this was a vertically challenged hobby.

Later,


hey chad us short guys' got to stick to gether

picture I only took 1496 pics this year. I only shot a few on Sunday and most were shot on saturday

http://www.syborgtwinturbo.com/gallery/2008-Columbus

[syborg tt]

JOHN
yea i saw that!!!! black dress, no pic tho figured that might be too difficult to explane wen i got home......... i think the whole group noticed that.!! nice. best of show

could be why i didn't take any pictures either. I think i'm scared of my wife

and Jeff Hanson - were the heck are you.

You have got to be the most humble person I have ever met

You and your Car Rock !!!!!!!

ps - tell your Dad Hi ( i see where you get it from - perfct Gentleman )

[melman109]

Who said anyone was building Riddler cars? I think you're making a huge jump with your assumption there. I do believe that most of the professional shops that are members here or lurk here can turn out exceptional product. It ultimately boils down to the customer, how far he/she wants to go with it and how deep their pockets are.

Your little speach makes it sound like if someone enjoys being a part of an online community, they cannot build a car. The irony of that statement is that 3 of the top 5 cars up for the SMOY are cars built and/or owned by regular members here (Ring Brothers, Notorious from Troy, and Hanson).

I didn't realize 3 of the top 5 cars up for SMOY were the laughing stock of the "real world". :lol:

My point exactly!

[Ed.Capen]

If you have been at the Goodguys event in Columbus before this year it was hard to pick out the SMOTY and SROTY from the 300 plus cars in the Pro's Pick area. This is what made the changes for this year.

Goodguys decided to showcase the SMOTY and SROTY on Friday from 10am to 4pm this meant they would need to be in the area during that time and to have the SMOTY go through the AutoCross during that time. Goodguys decided to run the AutoCross just for Vendors and the SMOTY contendors. At Noon Goodguys decided to parade the SMOTY through the event and over to the AutoCross area for everyone to see and follow. Tech was done on the cars in the area. Some cars had no seat belts and one had loose wheel bearings. These items were all addressed and some cars could not run the coarse and were no longer eligible to compete.

The AutoCross time was from 9am to 4pm and if you were a SMOTY contender you had to run three laps. The laps were looked at by the judges for style points only and the fastest time did not matter. Before the final cars were going through the coarse the Nova of Troy's came over to tech and got inline to run the three laps. After the three laps the contenders could go back to the Pro's pick area or stay and run more laps to try and get the fast time to win a set of BFG tires. Roger Burman stayed and recieved the fast time with the 68 Camaro he built. The Nova that Troy built was over in the Pro's pick area after the AutoCross to receive the dot that showed he could compete on Saturday.

On Saturday the SROTY and SMOTY were once again seperated in the Pro's pick so everyone could see them together and there was no special parking allowed. All contestants had to be in the area by 10am and it was first come on the lineup. NO special treatment was given to anyone.

I think Goodguys did the best at making this fair, fun and interesting for all who were there to enjoy the weekend and a great show of the cars. The only thing that I can see that needs to be changed is that only the owner or builder can drive the car in the AutoCross so it remains fair for all.

For the first year with all this new stuff coming into play I would say it went pretty good and the best cars were part of the 27 cars that were involved right down to the end when the 5 top cars had to be picked.

I would hope that everyone builds cars to run the AutoCross and to be the best they can build like the 27 cars that showed up this year. Remember only one car is a winner!!!

I hope that this will clear up some of the discussions on this thread.

[fesler]

i also think you are a jackA$$ fessler ! you are the type of builder we dont need !

sorry if this offends anyone other than him

Kennyd if you are going to comment on me at least spell my name right.....

[Rellim51]

Who said anyone was building Riddler cars? I think you're making a huge jump with your assumption there. I do believe that most of the professional shops that are members here or lurk here can turn out exceptional product. It ultimately boils down to the customer, how far he/she wants to go with it and how deep their pockets are.

Your little speach makes it sound like if someone enjoys being a part of an online community, they cannot build a car. The irony of that statement is that 3 of the top 5 cars up for the SMOY are cars built and/or owned by regular members here (Ring Brothers, Notorious from Troy, and Hanson).

I didn't realize 3 of the top 5 cars up for SMOY were the laughing stock of the "real world". :lol:

My point is, there are some builders that do not live up to their hype. You can say it boils down to how much the customer wants to spend but money doesn't buy taste. I never said anything about the top 5 builders being the laughing stock, you did. Obviously the Ring Brothers and Troy have set the bar to which all others are measured. How do you think the other members from this board measure up to these two? Though Hanson's car is nice(and he's a super nice guy), it probably shouldn't have been in the top 5. KD's Camaro and the red Cuda are closer to that level. Anyone who was there should agree. I'm not sure why the judges picked it over the others, maybe it is more of a driver type car than the others.

[fesler]

For the record I never bagged on any builders car or their reputation. I bagged on GG and the manor in which they inforced or bended the rules. Since I spend over $13,000 a year with them as a vender and countless more dollars as a competitor, I have every right to BITCH. Those who were not there should not even have a comment on the quality of cars that were present at the event. (you cant see anything in pictures)

I have the utmost respect for Troy, Ring and all other builders (professional and D-I-Y). I have no beef with any of you and consider you all to be an important part of this community.

I would like to see all builders come together in an organization where we can share ideas, techniques and information regarding our profession. :hail:

Congrats to Ring as they did drive the hell out of that car and had a great looking ride. Nice work

[shiftytim]

For the record I never bagged on any builders car or their reputation. I bagged on GG and the manor in which they inforced or bended the rules. Since I spend over $13,000 a year with them as a vender and countless more dollars as a competitor, I have every right to BITCH.
My group and I heard you bad-mouth a few folks over the weekend. And do you mean to say that because you spent money that you should be given special consideration? I read the rules, and it says nothing about a special class for buying your way in. And "BITCH" seems to describe your attitude well.

[jeff hanson]

could be why i didn't take any pictures either. I think i'm scared of my wife

and Jeff Hanson - were the heck are you.

You have got to be the most humble person I have ever met

You and your Car Rock !!!!!!!

ps - tell your Dad Hi ( i see where you get it from - perfct Gentleman )

Here I am. I think I can come in here now. Hopefully things are starting to settle down, Geez. I'm still just sittin back with a big ol smile. I honestly think all the cars were capable and have no idea how I ended up getting picked over so many nice cars. I mean, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the Cuda is head and shoulders above mine, but what can I tell you. What am I supposed to do, tell the judge when they come over "thanks but no thanks, there's much nicer cars here than mine, you have it all wrong". Obviously they liked my car for a reason and I feel very honored and proud to have been picked. I understand where they are coming from because, now don't anyone laugh, I love my car! I really think it was one of the sweetest looking cars there. I liked the way it looked better than any of the other top 5, and believe me, I wasn't alone. Is that wrong? Was the quality the same. No, but it's got eyeball. People gravitate towards it, the paint just pulls you in. Maybe that's what the judges liked, or the fact that I hammered it from the word go in the autocross. I don't know. At this point, does it really even matter. It doesn't make the other cars any less nice.
How's that for humble:woot:I had to say something. Now I can't wait to show my dad all this crazy talk. He'll get a kick out of all this crap. :lol: and that's what he'll call it, a bunch of crap.
Now I wanna know where Trush is. He calls me one of his best friends and where's the love?:rofl: Won't be long now....

Oh, and I'll say it again. It was great meeting and talking to everyone down there. Had a great time! As if that's not obvious.:lol: :lateral:

[fesler]

Here I am. I think I can come in here now. Hopefully things are starting to settle down, Geez. I'm still just sittin back with a big ol smile. I honestly think all the cars were capable and have no idea how I ended up getting picked over so many nice cars. I mean, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the Cuda is head and shoulders above mine, but what can I tell you. What am I supposed to do, tell the judge when they come over "thanks but no thanks, there's much nicer cars here than mine, you have it all wrong". Obviously they liked my car for a reason and I feel very honored and proud to have been picked. I understand where they are coming from because, now don't anyone laugh, I love my car! I really think it was one of the sweetest looking cars there. I liked the way it looked better than any of the other top 5, and believe me, I wasn't alone. Is that wrong? Was the quality the same. No, but it's got eyeball. People gravitate towards it, the paint just pulls you in. Maybe that's what the judges liked, or the fact that I hammered it from the word go in the autocross. I don't know. At this point, does it really even matter. It doesn't make the other cars any less nice.
How's that for humble:woot:I had to say something. Now I can't wait to show my dad all this crazy talk. He'll get a kick out of all this crap. :lol: and that's what he'll call it, a bunch of crap.
Now I wanna know where Trush is. He calls me one of his best friends and where's the love?:rofl: Won't be long now....

Oh, and I'll say it again. It was great meeting and talking to everyone down there. Had a great time! As if that's not obvious.:lol: :lateral:

Hey Jeff, Congrats on making the top 5, your car looked sick out on the coarse and was top notch. Nice car and great job.

[jeff hanson]

My point is, there are some builders that do not live up to their hype. You can say it boils down to how much the customer wants to spend but money doesn't buy taste. I never said anything about the top 5 builders being the laughing stock, you did. Obviously the Ring Brothers and Troy have set the bar to which all others are measured. How do you think the other members from this board measure up to these two? Though Hanson's car is nice(and he's a super nice guy), it probably shouldn't have been in the top 5. KD's Camaro and the red Cuda are closer to that level. Anyone who was there should agree. I'm not sure why the judges picked it over the others, maybe it is more of a driver type car than the others.
Hey, are you pickin on me? I think your pickin on me...:rofl: :rofl: It's all good. I don't care.:cheers: This is all just too much, we all gotta get a life.:lol:

[jeff hanson]

Hey Jeff, Congrats on making the top 5, your car looked sick out on the coarse and was top notch. Nice car and great job.

Thanks man. Sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you guys. Both of yours were sick. I love the fact that the blazer is the "shop truck", how sweet is that.:thumbsup:

[Rellim51]

Don't worry, I'm not picking on you. If everyone went about this the way you have, this thread would have been dead a long time ago. I overheard Kirk talking to a guy on Sunday who was questioning the judging process. He said they look for functional modifications, modifications just for the sake of modifications don't mean anything to them. By those standards, your car probably does edge out the Cuda and many others. It just depends on how you look at it I guess.

[novanutcase]

JOHN
yea i saw that!!!! black dress, no pic tho figured that might be too difficult to explane wen i got home......... i think the whole group noticed that.!! nice. best of show

Maybe she should have gotten SMOTY! I think that would have been something we ALL could have agreed on! :rofl:

John

[buickfunnycar.com]

Damn...now all I want to see is the indian girl in the black dress.:yes:
I won't sleep tonight...:(

[novanutcase]

Though Hanson's car is nice(and he's a super nice guy), it probably shouldn't have been in the top 5.

Sorry but I disagree! Jeff's car and the modifications it had were all pretty much functional and he proved that out on the track! The added fact that it was all packaged under a beautiful finish is just a testament to Jeff and his fathers will in pulling a "true" street machine together! AND it was home built! I will say that, hands down, Troy and RB's car were better but, keep in mind, they have a whole army of talent and a large cash reserve to get where they needed to to complete those cars and make them as awesome as they were. I think the judges were so impressed with the results that Jeff and his father were able to accomplish with the limited budget and talent that they had that they felt that it was a "special" case that couldn't be overlooked!

I say well deserved!

John

[rocketman]

hey chad us short guys' got to stick to gether

picture I only took 1496 pics this year. I only shot a few on Sunday and most were shot on saturday

http://www.syborgtwinturbo.com/gallery/2008-Columbus

cool pics

[tones2SS]

Sorry but I disagree! Jeff's car and the modifications it had were all pretty much functional and he proved that out on the track! The added fact that it was all packaged under a beautiful finish is just a testament to Jeff and his fathers will in pulling a "true" street machine together! AND it was home built! I will say that, hands down, Troy and RB's car were better but, keep in mind, they have a whole army of talent and a large cash reserve to get where they needed to to complete those cars and make them as awesome as they were. I think the judges were so impressed with the results that Jeff and his father were able to accomplish with the limited budget and talent that they had that they felt that it was a "special" case that couldn't be overlooked!

I say well deserved!

John

VERY WELL SAID!!! I was not at the show, so I cannot speak from experience, but seeing everyone's car here on these posts, I am envious of these cars.
I think you hit the nail right on the head when talking about Jeff's car. He and his dad had built it with as opposed to a speed/build shop. SWEET RIDE.:thumbsup: :hail:
I'm not taking sides here or sticking up for anyone, just saying my opinion. ALL ARE NICE CARS!!!!:hail: :cheers: :cheers:

[fesler]

This show was about fit & finish first, performance second. When fit looks like this should it even be in competition.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/Kennyd69.jpg

[DOOM]

This show was about fit & finish first, performance second. When fit looks like this should it even be in competition.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/Kennyd69.jpg

Chris
Thats perfect what the heck are you looking at!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :lol: It is what it is and I here exactly what your saying...
Mario

[ccracin]

Sorry but I disagree! Jeff's car and the modifications it had were all pretty much functional and he proved that out on the track! The added fact that it was all packaged under a beautiful finish is just a testament to Jeff and his fathers will in pulling a "true" street machine together! AND it was home built! I will say that, hands down, Troy and RB's car were better but, keep in mind, they have a whole army of talent and a large cash reserve to get where they needed to to complete those cars and make them as awesome as they were. I think the judges were so impressed with the results that Jeff and his father were able to accomplish with the limited budget and talent that they had that they felt that it was a "special" case that couldn't be overlooked!

I say well deserved!

John

Amen, brother! Jeff made us mortals have hope. Thanks.

[fesler]

Here is the Blazin in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_YcFhkNs7c&feature=email

yeah we drive it and drive it hard and as you noticed we beat out several of the Camaros with it. Not bad for first time on the track

[kennyd]

This show was about fit & finish first, performance second. When fit looks like this should it even be in competition.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/Kennyd69.jpg

that is my car , yes the hood gap was crap at sema . i agree . if you noticed we fixed it before columbus . i am sure you didnot because you had your head up your ass the complete weekend .
but this is the " fesler" style we are talking about .
this is a old saying you should follow " if you cant say something nice , dont say anything at all " and you preach you car is perfect ? wow . i would not , have not ,and will never say anything is perfect !
i will not pick on your cars , or others !

[kennyd]

If you have been at the Goodguys event in Columbus before this year it was hard to pick out the SMOTY and SROTY from the 300 plus cars in the Pro's Pick area. This is what made the changes for this year.

Goodguys decided to showcase the SMOTY and SROTY on Friday from 10am to 4pm this meant they would need to be in the area during that time and to have the SMOTY go through the AutoCross during that time. Goodguys decided to run the AutoCross just for Vendors and the SMOTY contendors. At Noon Goodguys decided to parade the SMOTY through the event and over to the AutoCross area for everyone to see and follow. Tech was done on the cars in the area. Some cars had no seat belts and one had loose wheel bearings. These items were all addressed and some cars could not run the coarse and were no longer eligible to compete.

The AutoCross time was from 9am to 4pm and if you were a SMOTY contender you had to run three laps. The laps were looked at by the judges for style points only and the fastest time did not matter. Before the final cars were going through the coarse the Nova of Troy's came over to tech and got inline to run the three laps. After the three laps the contenders could go back to the Pro's pick area or stay and run more laps to try and get the fast time to win a set of BFG tires. Roger Burman stayed and recieved the fast time with the 68 Camaro he built. The Nova that Troy built was over in the Pro's pick area after the AutoCross to receive the dot that showed he could compete on Saturday.

On Saturday the SROTY and SMOTY were once again seperated in the Pro's pick so everyone could see them together and there was no special parking allowed. All contestants had to be in the area by 10am and it was first come on the lineup. NO special treatment was given to anyone.

I think Goodguys did the best at making this fair, fun and interesting for all who were there to enjoy the weekend and a great show of the cars. The only thing that I can see that needs to be changed is that only the owner or builder can drive the car in the AutoCross so it remains fair for all.

For the first year with all this new stuff coming into play I would say it went pretty good and the best cars were part of the 27 cars that were involved right down to the end when the 5 top cars had to be picked.

I would hope that everyone builds cars to run the AutoCross and to be the best they can build like the 27 cars that showed up this year. Remember only one car is a winner!!!

I hope that this will clear up some of the discussions on this thread.



great point , only one car is a winner .

[kennyd]

This show was about fit & finish first, performance second. When fit looks like this should it even be in competition.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/Kennyd69.jpg

" slinging **** fesler style " that should be his sign-in

[68protouring454]

felcher, why not just stop doing goodguys shows, stop spending money with them and create your own show circuit? that way you could bend the rules so you won every show. that way you could be the man, which is apparently the only thing that strokes your ego. you go on to say your car is perfect, this that the other thing, has Mercedes carpet, but was built on such a budget you could not afford 1500 dollar custom headers? how in a 100k plus build do you not have the money for headers? (maybe you over charge for interior/paint)or is it your talent only lends you to bolting items on? but oh shiit i forgot your Mercedes carpet and paint should of won the show.
you might as well have your wife fight your battles she does a better job.:lateral:
thats pretty funny posting a pic of someones car from sema,lol, you were digging deep for that one.
do you really want to go knocking someones work, are you sure your car/blaser is perfect? i don't think so, so slow down

[viper11]

what is this ?? Moparchat?
I left that site because of the hate and politics, now its popping up here
I'm kinda disappointing that people are slamming rides & people for the sake of a car show/trophy

on a side note its kinda like 1995 again where every car at a show is a camaro,
I would have liked to see more of a variety of cars make it to the 5, but I,m sure there was lots of killer and wild rides there.
jason

[fesler]

Just for the record you guys are the one stating my car is so perfect and the best of the best and I thank you for that. I have never once stated that I have the best car out there nor should I have won. My only problem is the top 5 cars were not in the show regardles if they were mine or not. Fit and Finish was key and the cars we brought out were pretty straight.

I stated that I had to follow the rules and so should have everyone else. You guys just keep going and going on what I am and what I think and I appreciate all of your input.

You guys start some stuff up here and cant handle me postiing a picture of your car with gaps that are no where near close. That is something that should have been caught way before paint.

I dont have a problem with you or anyone else on this site and my post was not to start a fight with the people of lateral-g it was to get the facts out about how the show was run and how the rules were bent...... for some reason you guys decided that you needed to start in on me. Its ok I can take it

I did not realize we were in a battle I better go get her......

[XcYZ]

what is this ?? Moparchat?
I left that site because of the hate and politics, now its popping up here
I'm kinda disappointing that people are slamming rides & people for the sake of a car show/trophy


Agreed. This thread is going downhill fast. If you guys want to have a hatefest, take it to PM's please.

[68protouring454]

no battle, just used it for reference

[kennyd]

You guys start some stuff up here and cant handle me postiing a picture of your car with gaps that are no where near close. That is something that should have been caught way before paint.

oh i can handle it, thats why i said it was my car . at least it was only 1 gap .
and unlike your car it was not a stock body bolt together , that only ran on 6 cyl. all weekend !
see what you bring out in people, the worst .


d o n e with this thread ! lol

[kennyd]

Agreed. This thread is going downhill fast. If you guys want to have a hatefest, take it to PM's please.

sorry , i am done . and i have plenty of PM's on my side

[fesler]

Agreed. This thread is going downhill fast. If you guys want to have a hatefest, take it to PM's please.

Not sure how it all got out of hand but that is the way it goes. I stated one thing that I did not like and got hammerd about it. I did not bag on anyones car nor talk down to any of them. I stated a few facts about the way the show went and now I am the bad guy. Enough is enough and I am sorry if I have offended anyone out there it was not the intention.

[jeff hanson]

I say we have a Fesler vs Kenny D build-off! I'll put my top 5 trophy up for the winner! (maybe then it will go to the "right" car:rofl: ) Seriously though, everyone needs to kiss and make up. This is not what this sport/hobby/business is all about. In the words of our old friend Rodney King..."can't we all just get along?":cheers:

[comp-spec]

In before the lock ........ WOW :dance:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

I say we have a Fesler vs Kenny D build-off! I'll put my top 5 trophy up for the winner! (maybe then it will go to the "right" car:rofl: ) Seriously though, everyone needs to kiss and make up. This is not what this sport/hobby/business is all about. In the words of our old friend Rodney King..."can't we all just get along?":cheers:

I like that build off idea.And every area of the car counts.....lol

[novanutcase]

I like that build off idea.And every area of the car counts.....lol

LOL!!! But instead of Jeff's Top Five Tracy will treat the winner to an Omaha steak dinner! LOL!

Chris,

Maybe one of the issues is that when you came on the scene you were just a little too sure and confident of your talents. There's no doubt that you are a talented builder but I can say, from personal experience, you're not the most congenial person as I have met you several times and even though you acknowledged me there wasn't any genuine showing of interest in knowing me. You pretty much just glanced at me, muttered a hello and basically ignored me after that. That's not to say that I need a huge fanfare to feel accepted but certainly a small slice of your attention would have made a world of difference. I know you're busy trying to make a success of your business and sometimes you just don't have the time but customer service/PR is part of that business you so desperately are working for. A great example is Chip Foose. As busy as he is he is always ready to shake someones hand and endure whatever conversation that person wants to engage him in.
As a new contender you need to respect the guys that are already there. I thought in the last post that you posted a pic of, what you felt, was bad fit and finish, you used probably the worst picture for this as you knew that was Kennys car and you know how he feels about you. Why would you post, of all the pics, that one just to make the problem worse? It makes you look childish which DEFINITELY does not command my respect and, I would suspect, a lot of members on this board. I like where you're going with your company and the talent that you've been able to harness now you just need to learn that it doesn't come overnight. Like I said in another post. Ya gotta pay your dues!

John

[HRBS]

I thought in the last post that you posted a pic of, what you felt, was bad fit and finish, you used probably the worst picture for this as you knew that was Kennys car

John, your entire post was dead on and well written.
But just to add one note:
It also doesnt make sense that Chris would post this pic because his gripe was with the top 5. Kennys car wasnt even in the top 5 so... :question:

Anyway.. congrats to all who made it a great show.

[fesler]

John, your entire post was dead on and well written.
But just to add one note:
It also doesnt make sense that Chris would post this pic because his gripe was with the top 5. Kennys car wasnt even in the top 5 so... :question:

Anyway.. congrats to all who made it a great show.

I posted the pick because kenny was telling me how perfect my cars were. I know where I got the pic and it was the wrong thing to do and again I am sorry for it.

[novanutcase]

John, your entire post was dead on and well written.
But just to add one note:
It also doesnt make sense that Chris would post this pic because his gripe was with the top 5. Kennys car wasnt even in the top 5 so... :question:

Anyway.. congrats to all who made it a great show.

True! BTW great meeting you!

Chris, I'm not trying to lambast you rather I just want you to understand certain issues that you may not be able to see that I see as a third party. You can take it for whatever it is. I look forward to seeing you next year and whatever creation you come up with. I'm sure it'll be badass!:cheers:

John

[fesler]

LOL!!! But instead of Jeff's Top Five Tracy will treat the winner to an Omaha steak dinner! LOL!

Chris,

Maybe one of the issues is that when you came on the scene you were just a little too sure and confident of your talents. There's no doubt that you are a talented builder but I can say, from personal experience, you're not the most congenial person as I have met you several times and even though you acknowledged me there wasn't any genuine showing of interest in knowing me. You pretty much just glanced at me, muttered a hello and basically ignored me after that. That's not to say that I need a huge fanfare to feel accepted but certainly a small slice of your attention would have made a world of difference. I know you're busy trying to make a success of your business and sometimes you just don't have the time but customer service/PR is part of that business you so desperately are working for. A great example is Chip Foose. As busy as he is he is always ready to shake someones hand and endure whatever conversation that person wants to engage him in.
As a new contender you need to respect the guys that are already there. I thought in the last post that you posted a pic of, what you felt, was bad fit and finish, you used probably the worst picture for this as you knew that was Kennys car and you know how he feels about you. Why would you post, of all the pics, that one just to make the problem worse? It makes you look childish which DEFINITELY does not command my respect and, I would suspect, a lot of members on this board. I like where you're going with your company and the talent that you've been able to harness now you just need to learn that it doesn't come overnight. Like I said in another post. Ya gotta pay your dues!

John

John, I thank you for the words and try to spend time with all that stop but as you know its not possible. I have a lot going on at the shows besides the cars, getting there, set up and so on. I am sorry if you feel the way you do it was no way intended to blow you off. I understand where you are coming from and in no way want people to think that. I will take it to point and try a little harder and appreciate the heads up. thanks

If you have some time lets talk at SEMA as you know we are on the crunch for SEMA now and will have some new stuff there this year. We have a large booth in Hot Rod Alley so come by and say hi please. thanks

[mazspeed]

You have a pm Kenny. :yes:

[trapin]

.....A great example is Chip Foose. As busy as he is he is always ready to shake someones hand and endure whatever conversation that person wants to engage him in.
I can verify that much. In 2006 at the Detroit Autorama we had a Pro Touring get-together at Fishbones down in Greektown. Afterwards my cousin and I were walking out and there in the lobby was Chip Foose. My cousin was too terrified to go up to him but I have never (nor will I ever) be fazed by a celebrity. I walked right up to him and told him I wanted to say hello and that I loved his show on TLC. He shook my hand and even asked what my name was. He spent about 5 minutes with me and my cousin answering all our questions and then letting us in on how the Overhaulin' show was being revised. I couldn't believe how personable he was. When his table was ready he extended his hand and said, "It was a pleasure meeting you, Tony, thanks for coming up to say hello."

First class guy.

[buickfunnycar.com]

I can verify that much. In 2006 at the Detroit Autorama we had a Pro Touring get-together at Fishbones down in Greektown. Afterwards my cousin and I were walking out and there in the lobby was Chip Foose. My cousin was too terrified to go up to him but I have never (nor will I ever) be fazed by a celebrity. I walked right up to him and told him I wanted to say hello and that I loved his show on TLC. He shook my hand and even asked what my name was. He spent about 5 minutes with me and my cousin answering all our questions and then letting us in on how the Overhaulin' show was being revised. I couldn't believe how personable he was. When his table was ready he extended his hand and said, "It was a pleasure meeting you, Tony, thanks for coming up to say hello."

First class guy.


As it should be...no matter how much of a celebrity you become.Chip Foose is certainly a down-to-earth class act.
Try that with Reggie Jackson and see how well that goes...lol.:rofl:

[mazspeed]

As it should be...no matter how much of a celebrity you become.Chip Foose is certainly a down-to-earth class act.
Try that with Reggie Jackson and see how well that goes...lol.:rofl:

I agree, Chip is a great guy. I'm a nobody off the street, and he talked to me like I was his favorite neighbor. Great guy.
I met Reggie at BJ a few years back. Didn't talk a lot, but seemed nice. His body guard was there.

[jeff hanson]

I can verify that much. In 2006 at the Detroit Autorama we had a Pro Touring get-together at Fishbones down in Greektown. Afterwards my cousin and I were walking out and there in the lobby was Chip Foose. My cousin was too terrified to go up to him but I have never (nor will I ever) be fazed by a celebrity. I walked right up to him and told him I wanted to say hello and that I loved his show on TLC. He shook my hand and even asked what my name was. He spent about 5 minutes with me and my cousin answering all our questions and then letting us in on how the Overhaulin' show was being revised. I couldn't believe how personable he was. When his table was ready he extended his hand and said, "It was a pleasure meeting you, Tony, thanks for coming up to say hello."

First class guy.

Geez Tony, why don't you get a room with him! :rofl: :rofl: Just messing with you. Did you guys have the baby yet? I thought you said it was getting close...

[buickfunnycar.com]

I agree, Chip is a great guy. I'm a nobody off the street, and he talked to me like I was his favorite neighbor. Great guy.
I met Reggie at BJ a few years back. Didn't talk a lot, but seemed nice. His body guard was there.


Reggie lives in this area and I've have several dealings with him over the years so I'll just say this:He can and will come off as the nicest person on TV or if you're doing something to stroke his massive ego but get him away from that and he'll blow you off like you're from another planet and you have b.o. to boot.Not a pleasant person,trust me.
Ask anyone who's had dealings with him and no one will have a good word to say about him...shame too.

[jeff hanson]

Sorry but I disagree! Jeff's car and the modifications it had were all pretty much functional and he proved that out on the track! The added fact that it was all packaged under a beautiful finish is just a testament to Jeff and his fathers will in pulling a "true" street machine together! AND it was home built! I will say that, hands down, Troy and RB's car were better but, keep in mind, they have a whole army of talent and a large cash reserve to get where they needed to to complete those cars and make them as awesome as they were. I think the judges were so impressed with the results that Jeff and his father were able to accomplish with the limited budget and talent that they had that they felt that it was a "special" case that couldn't be overlooked!

I say well deserved!

John

Thanks John. I appreciate the support. Wait, are you saying that I'm "special", like, I should be on the short bus?:rofl: Kidding. Hey, It was great meeting you, you're one of the Goodguys! (pun intended):cheers:

[sick65]

This show was about fit & finish first, performance second. When fit looks like this should it even be in competition.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/FeslerBuilt/Kennyd69.jpg

The fact that you actually took a picutre of a less than perfect gap on another builder's car speaks volumes. :rolleyes:

[mazspeed]

The fact that you actually took a picutre of a less than perfect gap on another builder's car speaks volumes. :rolleyes:

Especially before it was corrected.

[mazspeed]

Reggie lives in this area and I've have several dealings with him over the years so I'll just say this:He can and will come off as the nicest person on TV or if you're doing something to stroke his massive ego but get him away from that and he'll blow you off like you're from another planet and you have b.o. to boot.Not a pleasant person,trust me.
Ask anyone who's had dealings with him and no one will have a good word to say about him...shame too.

Yeah that's too bad. I didn't know that.

[fesler]

The fact that you actually took a picutre of a less than perfect gap on another builder's car speaks volumes. :rolleyes:

I did not take the picture it came from his post, he must be ok with it if its up there showing it finished. Fit and Finish work

[sniper]

At some point man, ya just have to stop diggin. No matter who, what, where and why, ya just have to stop.

You've made your points, but no matter wether they are valid or not, people are going to argue semantics. And you'll never win an argument about feelings. If they feel you are wrong, there is nothing you can say to change that.

[camaro_in_another_life]

I am totally awe struck by all this conversation and how out of hand it has gotten. I (Chris' wife) was the one who originally posted a comment about how Troy got special treatment and how Goodguys bended the rules. Since then this thread has turned into a builder bashing paradise.

Just to be sure, I re-read all the posts and can't find where either Chris or myself bad mouthed any person or builder, we simply stated our disappointment with how Goodguys ran the event. I have found certain people who feel that they need to call us names such as 'jackass' and 'bitch' and to this Chris has defended himself. I have also seen posts where these above mentioned people have taken it upon themselves to critisize our work (and others) in an unprofessional manner, and to this Chris has defended himself.

I am confused as to why the bashing is ok, but a valid complaint about the manner in which a show was run and managed (a show that effects everyone on this board) or someone defending themselves is not. At some point, everyone on this board could or will have a car in competition and would be very disappointed if the same thing happened to them. Kinda like everyone bitching that all these celebrities get off scott free on DUI and drug charges when we all know damn well if the same were to happen to any of us, we would be locked in the slammer (just an analogy, don't get off track)

Fesler always appreciates CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM or any polite and professional comments anyone might have about us. If you know us, then you know this to be true along with the fact that we are pretty up front about things and how we feel. This doesn't mean we are rude or inconsiderate like some members are accusing us of it just means we are focused on the task at hand. I can name one builder, the late Boyd Coddington, who was by no means a Chatty Cathy when it came to meeting people and fans. In fact, he was rarely seen at events just hanging out but more in a controlled environment (signing photos or picking awards) and was not what you would call "friendly". I am speaking from personal experience of course and don't need a lecture on what a good guy Boyd was.

I don't usually post on these boards cuz honestly I think they are kind of silly and 9 times out of 10 they get off track. Since I am a chick, I just can't get into the opinions and all the testosterone! :) I do read them however and use them for research.

Fesler has been in business for over 10 years. We are not. . .I repeat NOT interested in becoming celebrities. Up until 2008 our business has been closed to the general public and we have worked on referral only. . .all this and we are still around. The only people I care who know who we are, are the people who are asking me to build them cars.

We became members of this forum so we could be closer to the members of our small but important community. I beleive we can all learn from each other and everything doesn't have to be a competition. . .but then again, I am a girl and what do I know!:rofl:

Sincerly,
"The Chick with a Big Mouth"
Carrie Fesler

PS: Don't bag on me for spelling. . .I am too tired to care.

[buickfunnycar.com]

At some point man, ya just have to stop diggin. No matter who, what, where and why, ya just have to stop.

You've made your points, but no matter wether they are valid or not, people are going to argue semantics. And you'll never win an argument about feelings. If they feel you are wrong, there is nothing you can say to change that.

No truer words have ever been spoken sniper.

Gotta let it go Chris,it's painting you in a very negative light and no amount of backtracking on your part is going to get you out of it.Drop it now,learn from your mistakes and hope for the best.Time heals all.

[GHOSTDANCER]

http://astrosim.sapphire.no/eatpoo/avatar/die_thread.jpg

[DOOM]

:beathorse

[fesler]

No truer words have ever been spoken sniper.

Gotta let it go Chris,it's painting you in a very negative light and no amount of backtracking on your part is going to get you out of it.Drop it now,learn from your mistakes and hope for the best.Time heals all.

I let it go awhile ago when I apologized for things said but it just keeps on going and going and going and going and going. I did not even start this so its getting pretty funny now. I dont have problems with anyone up here and we all learn from things that we do. We are very open and not afraid to speak what we think and that will never change. I am not new to this and understand how it all works. Thanks for the kind words from all and it was great meeting you guys out at the show wish I had more time to BS with out the problems.

[XcYZ]

Well..... I think this thread is well done, time to take it off the burner. I think everyone has had their say and then some. I probably should have closed this thread sooner.

On behalf of our community, I want to thank John and Ed from Good Guys for taking the time to post in this thread. Very cool.

Time to move forward.