new guy w/g-body

[malibu795]

got the link form this guy -> camcojb

im looking at making my g-body turn.

currently all old suspenion bushing have been replaced. with engery suspension bushings

current setup is ~300hp sbc 305 and a t-56 transmission with 2.41 gears. 3.42 gears should be here next week.. and should last till i replace the 7.5 10bolt with a S60 from strange.

all thinking about truck arm suspsion replacing the triagulate 4 link out back

so that is me currently

:cheers:

[andrewmp6]

Welcome to the forum which g body do you have.Before you change anything on it talk to http://www.scandc.com/ they can make anything handle great.

[deuce_454]

sc&c has a bolt in wattslink that will allow you to keep the 4 link but not have the sloppy rear suspension that lets face it we g-body owners are cursed with....

even if you do decide to go with the HR2Hell truck arm... id still get the watts to keep the rollcenter in check

[XcYZ]

Welome aboard, Adam. :cheers:

[malibu795]

Welcome to the forum which g body do you have.Before you change anything on it talk to http://www.scandc.com/ they can make anything handle great.

thanks my wallet offically hates you :lol: :rofl:

[GBodyGMachine]

Welcome to the CLUB

[malibu795]

Welcome to the CLUB

thanks i found this on a diesel site..

been hanging out at maliburacing.com but they are more drag racing orentied


how many G-body are on here?

[andrewmp6]

Theres a few g body owners on here if you haven't been to http://www.gbodyparts.com/ and http://www.dixiemontecarlo.com/ check them out.

[GBodyGMachine]

thanks i found this on a diesel site..

been hanging out at maliburacing.com but they are more drag racing orentied


how many G-body are on here?

If I had to guess, I would say 50-60 cars. But I dont know for sure.

Jeff

[malibu795]

i deff would like to build my wagon to hit 1.00g

plan ~3.50 gears with a gear limit of ~180mph

complete box the frame for rigidity and a few other areas. mainly the mid section of the chassis the is a "C" channel

dont know how far i can take the stock spindles... min tubular arms upper and lower
thinking sc&c afx street comp setup
with 13" rotors

275 40 17 min all 4 corners

dont know if i a keeping the triagulated 4 link or not..


engine is going to be ~550hp BTW its a diesel :woot:

think that is a good start...... opinion please

[CRCRFT78]

Welcome aboard from a fellow G-body owner.

[GBodyGMachine]

i deff would like to build my wagon to hit 1.00g


275 40 17 min all 4 corners




engine is going to be ~550hp BTW its a diesel :woot:

think that is a good start...... opinion please

I dont think you will be able to fit a 275 on the front, depending on how low the car is. I have a 255 and it rubs. Let me know if you get them to fit.
What kind of diesel?
Jeff

[malibu795]

I dont think you will be able to fit a 275 on the front, depending on how low the car is. I have a 255 and it rubs. Let me know if you get them to fit.
What kind of diesel?
Jeff

6.6 duramax diesel with the t-56 tanny behind it


ill double check my notes and get back on that

[malibu795]

all copied form his postings

I think somebody was asking about 285/40s awhile back.
I am playing around with my corvette wheels and came up with this.
Frame clearance on the inside at the closest point is 1/4"
Offset on the wheels with the 2" spacers is 1/4" negative.
So basically the wheels are 17x9.5 with 1/4" negative offset.
Also, I have aluminum drums.


http://home.att.net/~caseyhenson/march2008.jpg

http://home.att.net/~caseyhenson/march2008_044a.jpg
275/40/17 on 9.5" rim

http://home.att.net/~caseyhenson/march2008_048a.jpg

285/40/17 on a 9.5" rim


"is there clearnce to lower it a couple inches"
his response
Yes, It will come down.
No problem on the rear.
No problem on the front either but at the expence of hitting the upper control arms when the wheels are turned sharp.
I have the front wheels set in alot further than the backs.
The wheels are the same but I used 1.25" spacers on the front and 2" on the back.
No way to put a 9.5" wheel on the front without having some type of problem. I chose to loose turning radius on order to keep them from hitting the outer fender.


that help?

[RobG]

I have a SC&C weld in watts link on the way. I'll post pics once I get it in, it should be a pretty trick piece :unibrow:

I've got a '87 turbo Regal this is going in.

P.S.
Talk to Mark @ SC&C when you get a chance. Super smart guy when it comes to making g-bodies handle like go-carts :hail:

[malibu795]

here is another
malbiu with a BBC

The front wheels are 17x8 with 4.5 bksp with a 255x40x17. The rears are 17x9 with 5" bksp with a 275x40x17.

question about rubbing his answer
I thought the weight of the big block would make the front end to mushey and then rub on the front inner fender. But none.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w259/garyGit/blkrims6.jpg

[malibu795]

I have a SC&C weld in watts link on the way. I'll post pics once I get it in, it should be a pretty trick piece :unibrow:

I've got a '87 turbo Regal this is going in.

P.S.
Talk to Mark @ SC&C when you get a chance. Super smart guy when it comes to making g-bodies handle like go-carts :hail:

cool thanks rob!

i deff to keeping my mind open to good ideas

[GBodyGMachine]

all copied form his postings


No problem on the front either but at the expence of hitting the upper control arms when the wheels are turned sharp.
I have the front wheels set in alot further than the backs.

No way to put a 9.5" wheel on the front without having some type of problem. I chose to loose turning radius on order to keep them from hitting the outer fender.


that help?

Thats what I figures, no turning radius. Looks bitchin though.

[rking]

I have a SC&C weld in watts link on the way. I'll post pics once I get it in, it should be a pretty trick piece :unibrow:

I've got a '87 turbo Regal this is going in.

P.S.
Talk to Mark @ SC&C when you get a chance. Super smart guy when it comes to making g-bodies handle like go-carts :hail:

I definitely want to see pics of that thing when you get it! I will be starting a 3 link setup on my GN very soon, but Im not sure if their kit will work for me or if Im going to have to custom build one...

[malibu795]

Thats what I figures, no turning radius. Looks bitchin though.

i dont know.... but how many current midsize production cars can U-turn inside 40' or ~2.5 lanes of traffic? even a 3rd gen camaro or vettes dont turn this tight.. im talking about almost as tight as civic, cavalier, focus tight..

i know my friends saturn vue takes more space to turn around than my wagon and she has a shorter wheel base

unless you are hitting full lock all the time i dont see it being a problem in 90% of normal street duties

JMHO i wouldnt mind giving up a couple Degrees in steering to acomodate the rims.. might be abel to get some of it back with 9" rim vs a 9.5 since that can still take a 275 tire properly. i have seen pic of a 275 on a 8.5" rim as well.

[CRCRFT78]

Hey your talking about putting a Duramax in the Malibu, there is a Grand National with a diesel in it but I can't remember which site I saw it on. Pretty sick and fast. Google it or check YouTube. If I find it I'll post the link.

[malibu795]

Hey your talking about putting a Duramax in the Malibu, there is a Grand National with a diesel in it but I can't remember which site I saw it on. Pretty sick and fast. Google it or check YouTube. If I find it I'll post the link.

yep and olds cutlas converted to a GNX clone guys name is david

it is a LB7 motor(stock) with a 4L85E tranny behind

http://www.18to1.com/
here is the thread about it
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148774
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/brakes-suspensions-tires-wheels/174554-g-n-hotrod-project.html
romour has it he is building the motor and bigger turbo :woot:

i know a couple guy that have put the 6.5TD in a g-body as well infornt of a 700r4.. hit mid to 30 mpg

[CRCRFT78]

Yeah thats the one. I say go for it. The only thing I'm wondering is what about emissions? California is a PITA when it comes to that, I know of a few people that specifically found diesel vehicles to avoid the Emissions Police but can it go both ways if you throw a diesel motor into a vehicle that originally required an emissions test?

[malibu795]

im millitary hence sig line ;)

car is registered in ohio and no current emision :unibrow:

had to pass snif test to get a base sticker.. told them that is was one of the very few malibu that came with a 350 V-8 diesel. guy believed me put a sticker on the window and off i went with no snif test :lol:
iirc you have to get the CARB to write off on the swap and provide documenttaion of everything

[andrewmp6]

Fl doesn't test at all Kentucky where I'm at only test in 3 cities the big ones only.It is nice driving around in a truck with purple hornies bolted the the headers and never getting a ticket for anything.

[malibu795]

just got word that is will run 3200 for the wire, ecm, pedal, and tuner to do a stande alone setup :woot:


i can get this drive train done for ~10k roughly engine wise :willy:

[malibu795]

called strange today about getting a S60 for a g-body.. we don ahve any more. casting for a g-body.:( have to use a a-body and custom links...

or go with a 9"
or call DTS which bought the last of the casting strange had

[deuce_454]

i just got a 12 bolt moser with 9 inch axle-ends and 33 spline axles, bolt in for a g-body, bought it from prodogy customs.. and its close to umbreakable.. other bet is a track-9 from SC&C can be had with a choice of centers, both 9 in and 12 bolt ring gear... but the ford ends make for cheap brakes and does away with teh c-clips..

[malibu795]

man havent been hear in awhile.. suprised thread was locked..
4 years latter.. lot as happened got out in oct 08
swapped a junk yard 468BBC put samll cam, bearings rings seals valve springs in the wagon drove form LA to springfield OH 2800miles.. only problem through the alt/fan belt south side of indy. not bad for having less then 500.00 in it.
went to college (wyotech) blew that 468 up in their dyno piston slap after then additional 20,000 mile i put on it. it died at 3600rpm making 236rwhp and 360rwtq.
whats left of piston #7
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found and built another 468bbc
2.065/1.88 vavle proted heads (049), oem rods and crank reconed with 3/8" rod bolts slinging speed pro 10cc domes, kmotion springs, comp roller tip rockers (came with junk yard engine) performer intake msd pro billet dis HV oil pump. 208/218 @.050 .475/.500 hyd cam(same spec that blew up on the dyno) dynoed 305/477 at the tires with a edelbrock 600cfm carb.
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put a JD race 8.8/7.5 hybrid axle with 31 spline axles and true trac dif with 3.08 gears along with DA upper links and tubler NA lowers.
also got biger 1 1/4" MC as well
got a 17x9 with 5" bs for mock up.. not near as much tweeking is going to be needed as i thought..
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did do a dmax repower but not in the malibu
but my 99C3500HD that the 6.5 deside to generate a 2 peice crankshaft.
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thing to note
Dmax runs the same standard GM 6/7 hole bolt pattern.
autos run 6 bolt large BC 11" allison and 4l85 are the same.
weighs about 850lbs and will fit nicely in the same BBC space..
got about 8,000 in the swap with tuneing can get ~650fwhp and over 30mpg(from other swaps i have seen)

plan/goals are this
1g skid pag
11 1/4 mile
70+ slallom
100' less 60-0
20+ mpg
275s in the front and min 275 rear possible 315s, cross country DD realiable
talked to mark at SC&C be usesing alot of their stuff.

[malibu795]

rear tires finally died.. bought 2 17x9 craggar soft 8 with 5" bs mounted some 275/40/17 tires on them.. for ****s and giggles i put them on the front..
please pardon the dirt... 700yd long gravel driveway does that easy.. and everything is a work in progress naturally...
5608 springs poly bushing.. stock a arms. ride height at finder wheel on the front is 25"
i took the car out in my uncles plowed field with 4-6" ruts and did figure "8"s no rubbing which did include bottoming out the front.. need some .250 spacers for the back axle..315/35/17 is very feasible..

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1 3/8 sway bar no rubing the 245/50/15 did rub
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[malibu795]

made some progress..
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picked up some PTFE fittings and 10' of -6 hose to plumb these together.
the hydro-booster (AZ#70211 $265.00) can handle both large and small bore master cylinders metric O-ring fittings. i already have a large bore (1.417") MC in the car. its really tooo big for stock brake system.. that problem will work itself out when the bigger disc brakes get put on. power steering pump is (#7137) is off a 2000 chevy 3500HD.. and compatible with the dmax accessory mounting brackets. and march's mid mount PS brackets.. plus it has a bigger tank..
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[malibu795]

dont mind the dirt... got it washed but ran out of light...
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trimmed both sides
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alignment tomorrow.. still got along way to go..

[Ben@SpeedTech]

A long way maybe but every bit of progress is a good thing. Keep it going!

I see you park under a tree. I do too, huge tree covers my driveway and the road in front of the house. our cars get bombed nearly everyday. Dumb birds. :wacko:

[malibu795]

got it on the rack to get played with and front tires balanced....
tech come out and says upper BJs are done.. no alignment...:bang: gues 6-7 years worth of road and cross country.. and poor grease maintance takes it toll...

go next door... to AZ give them the car.. do you want the 20.00 version or the 10.00 version... 10.00 version pls ( geting tall BJs latter when the upper and lower get replaces with SPC units

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Ben as for the list
for the front
SPC upper/lowers ~600lb springs
AFX spindles
JL9 C5 brakes
hydro boost
all front frame bracing

rear still needs
these
http://jtracecraft.com/photogallery/gbody_parts/180100-1.jpg
http://jtracecraft.com/photogallery/gbody_parts/180101-4.jpg
plus im doing frame ties behind the springs and right before the rear bumper mounts..
redoing the fuel tank.. 17g just isnt enough even at 20mpg.. (only have about 14gl useable) looking at putting a 25-31g K5 blazer style tank in the back.. IDK maybe your buisness contact fo the fuel tank and come up with something... fill tube will most likely have to be moved
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plus 12" disc brakes..

as for bird ****... power line..

[Ben@SpeedTech]

I have a 40 gal in my 77 Suburban and boy that's nice. Do you have the measurements for the factory wagon tank? It would be easy enough to remove the rear spare tire well and put a wider tank in there. The G Body wagon tank is pretty tall, I wonder how it compares to the 13 1/8" height of the 40 gal tank. Man if you got 30 mpg with a diesel and a 40 galllon tank you could just about run the power tour on one tank of gas, lol!

A decent custom stainless tank could run upwards of $1200. The ones Speedtech sells have internal baffling, a Corvette pump system for FI cars, and dual pick up tubes so you don't starve for cars in the corners.

[malibu795]

The 40g tank will hang lower than the OEM.. Plus you will have to rotate it 90* to fit.. Naturally all 3 the spare tire whole will go bye bye.. The 31 will basicly square the bottom part of the OEM tank to the rear

[malibu795]

fuel tank size.. the rear part hangs ~11 below the floor board.. its ~22"x22" the forward part hangs ~14" down from the floor board..
this is the distance from the pinch weld at the very rear of the body.... the 25/31 tanks could be mounted normal F/R fashion the 40g would need to be turned 90*
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[malibu795]

pressue washed the car.. to get alot of dirt and oil off it.. (rear main leaks) and search out new rust holes... picked up a ram powergrip 11" 1 1/8x26 clutch and PP.. re doing the exhaust with 68610 BBC shorty headers and dual 3" exhaust.. fix fuel tank leak.. replace PS pump.. ungrade the line to PTFE
seams like the easy way to fix this is mini tub..... right rear wheel
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[malibu795]

pulled the body of... several of the body mount holes need fixed..
wash
2 Eastwood Internal Frame Coating w/Spray Nozzle
3 Rust Encapsulator Black 15 oz.aerosol
3 Extreme Chassis Black Satin 14 Ounce Aerosol

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

It's a good time to box and brace that thing!

[malibu795]

yeah i know question is how long do i keep it down... floor pan on the body is pretty bad... considering the car has been a midwest car vast mojority of its life.. the rust isnt bad.. i knew of the two frame/body mount repairs for a while now... seams i need to do about 4 more...
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[SSLance]

#2 Right doesn't look too bad, that's usually the first to go. #6 Left is toast though, same as on mine.

Getting her done though... Can't say I've ever seen a pretty much complete frame lifted onto it's side with a cherry picker though...where there's a will, there's a way!

[malibu795]

Used the cherry picker and a 2 ton come along to lift the body.. There are 5 holes that need attention

[malibu795]

got both #6 holes repaired..
both #2 are getting repaired as well there are paper thin edges on them...
DS#7 well im going to have to make a complete new mount
what DS#6 was..
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DS#7
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DS#6 repaired
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next body work for the mount locations

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Nice work!

[malibu795]

It's a good time to box and brace that thing!

i saw this work on someones malibu. i cannt remember whos... i dont have the time to do it and match the floor pan to it...
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[malibu795]

bout got the frame body mounts repaired...
now im faced with this problem... cut out and replacing the floorboards or seal the rust, patch the holes do it at a later date...
http://www.mikesmontes.com/Rust-Out-Body-Replacement-Panels_c_199.html
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[silvermonte]

Not sure of your budget but you can get an entire floor pan for $450 with free shipping. If you only had a few holes I would say just patch them up and call it a day, but it seems you have more then a few and the floor is prolly pretty weak. If you dont care about looks you could just cut out the rust and weld in some sheet metal, thats what I did since its a floor and nobody will see it under the carpet.

Here is the entire floor pan, its cheaper to get the entire thing then it is to buy halfs and have to pay for shipping.

http://www.gbodyparts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1484

[Buick Grand National Guy]

Talk to RideTech too. Killer shocks, front control arms, and front sway bar. Also DSE for rear control arms and rear sway bar.
Conrad

[malibu795]

Thanks miles I didn't that full one piece floor pans where available..
Mike Monte is ~1.5 hours from my home.. Maybe they can get their hands on one.. Save a lot on shipping..
Conrad that's the general direction I'm heading

[silvermonte]

Its free shipping to a business if you have any buddy's that work at a place that would be able to sign the paper work.

[malibu795]

haven't realy done much to it...
used it as a A-B vehicle, back up parts hauler...
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had my lmm dmax fail out in Colorado couple years back, hauled a long block dmax out there plus tools. swapped my 175lb spring out for the 300lb 2.5" springs...
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western KS has some advantages... still pulled 16mpg with a 600cfm edelbrock carbed, 468 BBC, T56 viper, 3.08 gear 275/40/17 tires, that's running 5th, 6th was too much and dropped under the power band.
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loaded everything up after me and two guys did a R&R over the weekend
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loaded up ready to head home,
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just ordered rear UCA/LCA braces, most likely get rear shock brace and few others

[malibu795]

So calling around asking questions, getting back in the know of what's available.... Run across Schwartz performance.. semi local to me... They make a body drop on replacement chassis starting ~10k for Gbody..
It's not hard to rack up 10k in suspension/rear axle for a GBody...
http://www.schwartzperformance.com/1978-1988-g-body-monte-carlo-chassis/

And being able to run 345 on a GBody would be pretty cool..