I wonder why you dont see more mustangs as retro mods - g machines

[sacarguy]

i mean lets face it based on shear numbers there is far far more mustangs out there to start with for a restomod

and its alot cheaper to get one.


yet you see probly 20 camaros for each mustang that you see restomoded

[awr68]

Maybe Camaros really are better.....that's what the numbers are telling us.

[vipercuda]

Here is our new Modern Muscle 1969 Mustang. It will debut at SEMA this year. It will have a 5.4 SC Shelby motor and six speed.

Thanks
Mike
Time Machines
www.realmodernmuscle.com

[CNDbowtie]

Here is our new Modern Muscle 1969 Mustang. It will debut at SEMA this year. It will have a 5.4 SC Shelby motor and six speed.

Thanks
Mike
Time Machines
www.realmodernmuscle.com

so whats the plans on the front suspension?

[67turbostang]

I have a 67 fastback in the works..

[Stuart Adams]

Availability of cool engineered parts is a big factor I'm sure.

[HRBS]

Here is a '69 Vert we just finished up for a customer.
Full Air Ride, Monoleaf rear, Supercharged EFI, 4 wheel disc brakes, OD trans, Modern Stereo , GPS Navigation, Power Windows and Doors.
Basically the definition of Resto-Mod..... Classic Sheetmetal w/ modern performance and convienences.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/hrbs/mustang/IMG_0352.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/hrbs/mustang/IMG_0209.jpg

[Streetking]

They are around..:)

SW
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[narcotix]

I have wondered the same as well. What happened to Hal Baer's 69 and what ever happened to Hot Rod's project "Mustang Magic" back in the 70's?

-Jimmy

('65 Fastback in the works...)

[vipercuda]

We are running a mustang II style front suspension with the motor set back for better weight distribution. AFCO will supply some double adjustable coilovers. The rear is a four link with AFCO shocks as well.
Mike



Here is our new Modern Muscle 1969 Mustang. It will debut at SEMA this year. It will have a 5.4 SC Shelby motor and six speed.

Thanks
Mike
Time Machines
www.realmodernmuscle.com

[FreddieCougar]

i mean lets face it based on shear numbers there is far far more mustangs out there to start with for a restomod

and its alot cheaper to get one.


yet you see probly 20 camaros for each mustang that you see restomoded


I have often wondered the same thing, and I have a theory that may or may not hold water. I have been going to T-Bird and Mustang shows since I was about 5, and there have always been rows and rows of restored Mustangs. It seems to me that the restoration and "let's keep it stock for the value" thing hit those cars before the g-machine style came about. You can go to Mustang Round-up in Washington and see literally hundreds of stock, restored, boring (opinion, sorry!) Mustangs. More plain stockers than you will ever see (again, opinion, not based on anything other than a hunch) at a Chevy show. The Camaros had a racier image from the word go, and seem to have been modified more readily than Mustangs. They built the millionth Mustang by the middle of '66, so there are plenty out there, but it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of nice ones are restored, or very mildly modified.
Tim

[sacarguy]

ya ill be making more progress with mine soon

im most likely ditching the gt-500 motor for a 05-06 viper v-10 with a custom turbo kit.

Since i can get a complete viper engine and t-56 for less then a gt-500 motor alone

nothing crazy power wise just around 700 rwhp maybee 10-12 pounds of boost.

[Blown353]

Weird, my feeling is the exact opposite-- around my area the Camaros are usually on the mild side while most of the classic mustang guys have plenty of suspension and brake goodies and a good percentage of them actually track their cars... heck, the club (Nor-Cal SAAC) puts on multiple track days per year and the turnout is always great! No such organization for the F-body crowd.

[CNDbowtie]

I have a 67 Fastback and ive been on the fence for years whether to mod it from stock suspension..but the biggest problem is options. The camaro camp seems to have a long list of suspension upgrades...as far as the Mustang goes Ive only seen 3 popular choices.

1. Mustang II (which means chopping up the front unibody and removing the factory shocktowers...but which then gives you elbow room to shoehorn in a Modular Ford motor :_paranoid )

2. Use a Coil-over redesign using the existing shocktowers (example Total Control or Global West products)...can also swap the coils for Shockwaves for air adjustability

3. Use the same old technology but with tubulars A-arms

At the moment im leaning with a simple coil-over system and hope that actually makes it fun to drive again:rolleyes:

[427gt500E]

The reason is try finding a 67 or 68 Mustang fastback shell that's in need of a restoration for under 12k.There not out there.You can find Camaro shells all day long for 2500.00.Even the 65,66,69 and 70 Mustang shells are becoming very difficult to find whereas Camaros are all over the place.You've seen one restomod Camaro you've seen them all.

The Mustang crowd generally restores them to original condition.I'm building a 67 fastback restomod with Heidts front susp,IRS out of a 2005 Rouch Mustang, supercharged Carroll Shelby aluminum 427SO,6 sp trans.It will be finished next month.

[vipercuda]

I have done six viper conversions and I can tell you I prefer the new Ford engine over the viper engines. Both will give you challenges to install in an engine compartment but I can tell you I believe the Shelby motor will be beter received than the viper engine and you need to consider the engine management system to run your turbo viper deal. It might get pricey... The V-10 has it own sound most people do not care for it. Good luck with whatever you decide. I have an extra shelby motor and two viper motors at my shop right now.

Mike




ya ill be making more progress with mine soon

im most likely ditching the gt-500 motor for a 05-06 viper v-10 with a custom turbo kit.

Since i can get a complete viper engine and t-56 for less then a gt-500 motor alone

nothing crazy power wise just around 700 rwhp maybee 10-12 pounds of boost.

[67Sally]

What's a Mustang?

W

[sacarguy]

The reason is try finding a 67 or 68 Mustang fastback shell that's in need of a restoration for under 12k.There not out there.You can find Camaro shells all day long for 2500.00.Even the 65,66,69 and 70 Mustang shells are becoming very difficult to find whereas Camaros are all over the place.You've seen one restomod Camaro you've seen them all.

The Mustang crowd generally restores them to original condition.I'm building a 67 fastback restomod with Heidts front susp,IRS out of a 2005 Rouch Mustang, supercharged Carroll Shelby aluminum 427SO,6 sp trans.It will be finished next month.

theres a lot of wrong statements there.

1. i can buy fast back shells for far under 10 k in decent shape yes needing a ton of work but i can do it easily i just saw one for 5200 no glass trashed interior and no drive train but complete whole body and not a rusted out clunker.

2. who says it has to be a fast back the coupes are good looking cars and theres probley ten times as many of them out there available in good shape CHEAP then camaros you can buy a clean RUNING driver 66-68 mustang for under 5000 dollars.. I know i bought my 66 for 4500 and it had a complete reproduction interior in it ran perfect with a 302 c-4 combo in it.

3. there IS NO independant suspension in the 2005 roushe its a three link with panhard bar.

as for the viper engine there are four different stand alones i know that will run the viper engien and at 13.5 k for the gt-500 vs 7500 for a complete viper motor and trany its a big savings to go viper engine.

yes there are mustang projects out there but you just dont see any many as the chebys

[wedgehead]

My twin 14 year old son and I are building a 67 coupe for his first car. It will be a FI 347 5 spd, Cobra front brakes and a 9" rear with explorer rear discs. My other twin son has a 78 T/A we are building.

[427gt500E]

theres a lot of wrong statements there.

1. i can buy fast back shells for far under 10 k in decent shape yes needing a ton of work but i can do it easily i just saw one for 5200 no glass trashed interior and no drive train but complete whole body and not a rusted out clunker.

2. who says it has to be a fast back the coupes are good looking cars and theres probley ten times as many of them out there available in good shape CHEAP then camaros you can buy a clean RUNING driver 66-68 mustang for under 5000 dollars.. I know i bought my 66 for 4500 and it had a complete reproduction interior in it ran perfect with a 302 c-4 combo in it.

3. there IS NO independant suspension in the 2005 roushe its a three link with panhard bar.

as for the viper engine there are four different stand alones i know that will run the viper engien and at 13.5 k for the gt-500 vs 7500 for a complete viper motor and trany its a big savings to go viper engine.

yes there are mustang projects out there but you just dont see any many as the chebys


1.If you can buy a 67/68 fastback shell for 5200.00 I'd jump on that deal because it wont be there tomorrow.These are becoming more rare as I write this post.

2.Nobody said it has to be a fastback and neither did I.The reality of it though is people would rather make a clone or replica with a fastback over a coupe.

3.Your right,my bad.A typo.See pics of the 2004 Cobra IRS being installed in my car.

4.There are more Camaro projects due to sheer numbers.The mustang fastback is highly sought after body style,much more than a Camaro.

[sacarguy]

i dont like the cobra irs its relativly week and for the cost of a good set of half shafts for it you can buy a nine inch rear it doesnt handle any better then a properly setup panhard or watts link rear and its expensive to put it in the car the right way instead of the cobled up kits they sell out there
< like the ones where you are susposed to cut a few inches off the cradle and then weld it back together >

the suspension under my 66 is a nine inch with panhard and a four bar system.

im not talking about a rare case..
i see them all the time for around that here in texas good running cars are around 14 k if you want something some what cleaned up then youl spend around 18-25 k depending on the amount of work etc.

hell uniqe performance just went bankrupt and i saw over 19 shells that went for under 5 grand at that auction

my budy cleaned up he scored a 71 cuda for 6500 and sold it with out touching anything for 12,500 on ebay it had already been soda blasted and put into primer

[Dodgenut64]

Half of those million mustangs rusted away because of those pesky leaky cowls, just kidding. Id like to see more mustangs aswell, but to be honest ld love to see more falcons. I dont know if Id fit in one (6'3"), but Id love to have a 63 falcon convertible in my dream collection. I think the early falcon, like the early Chevy II, were cool compact cars. I dont know why, but youd think being taller Id like bigger calls, but I seem to like the smaller cars, provided I have enough leg room. I guess its kinda like a short guy loving big 4x4 trucks.
I kinda see your point though, youd think sense the mustang out sold the camaro by so much, that youd see forums like this flooded with them, with camaros in smaller numbers. Ive also noticed that camaros way out number the firebird. Why arent people doing more of them? I think the firebird looks awesome and can be had way cheaper then the camaro.

[427gt500E]

i dont like the cobra irs its relativly week and for the cost of a good set of half shafts for it you can buy a nine inch rear it doesnt handle any better then a properly setup panhard or watts link rear and its expensive to put it in the car the right way instead of the cobled up kits they sell out there
< like the ones where you are susposed to cut a few inches off the cradle and then weld it back together >

the suspension under my 66 is a nine inch with panhard and a four bar system.

im not talking about a rare case..
i see them all the time for around that here in texas good running cars are around 14 k if you want something some what cleaned up then youl spend around 18-25 k depending on the amount of work etc.

hell uniqe performance just went bankrupt and i saw over 19 shells that went for under 5 grand at that auction




my budy cleaned up he scored a 71 cuda for 6500 and sold it with out touching anything for 12,500 on ebay it had already been soda blasted and put into primer

I decided to go the IRS route because it is different.This rear will handel around 1000hp and my Shelby motor is supposed to put out about 850.It's easy to install a straight axel,I wanted something rather unique. I'm a huge Mustang fan and recently sold a 69 Prostreet Mustang that went to Canada.I also own an original 69 GT500 fastback.

Humm,I was a bidder at the UP auction trying to score another shell.The problems with the lower dollar shells was the poor craftsmanship and 8 gallons of silly puddy per panel.


Oh,and those 19 shells your mentioned,take a look at the attachment of what your getting for 5k.The cheap ones were very,very poor workmanship and that's why they sold so low.So I suppose the theory holds true that there are just more Camaro shells for realatively low $$.And the aftermarket crowed cators the Chevy.
http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi

[sacarguy]

Guess what i do for a living ? I own a late model performance shop that SPECIALIZES in fords particularly efi forced inducion and late model cobras.
No cobra irs will hold 1000 horsepower without a set of 1500 dollar half shafts the stockers die around 600 rwhp with any kind of a sticky tire and honestly i see more 03 cobra rear ends in these cars do to it being the "cool" and "different" thing to do then I do proper solid axles .. especialy as i said with all the crap kits out there to put them in the cars.

im not talking about some nine inch on a leaf spring set im talking cuting it all out and doing a solid axle rigth with a panhard or a watts link.


as for the unique acution obviously you didnt go look at the shells in person.

90 pecent of them were not painted or restored just in various states of blasting and or primer and alot were just sitting there unrestored at all

the finished shells were not of poor quality at all i was personaly there and inspected several and they were not that bad body work wise.

you been watching to many bs tv stories

have you ever been in abody shop when a show paint job is being done ?

ever seen american hot rod and boyds street rods ? ever seen how much putty they put on one of those cars.

in a proper paint job if you want the car perfectly straight you may put 8 gallons of putty on .. but you sand 7.75 gallons of it back off.

the only way you get a car that straight is to do that simple as that .. now i prefer lead work in the seams etc.

[427gt500E]

Guess what i do for a living ? I own a late model performance shop that SPECIALIZES in fords particularly efi forced inducion and late model cobras.
No cobra irs will hold 1000 horsepower without a set of 1500 dollar half shafts the stockers die around 600 rwhp with any kind of a sticky tire and honestly i see more 03 cobra rear ends in these cars do to it being the "cool" and "different" thing to do then I do proper solid axles .. especialy as i said with all the crap kits out there to put them in the cars.

im not talking about some nine inch on a leaf spring set im talking cuting it all out and doing a solid axle rigth with a panhard or a watts link.


as for the unique acution obviously you didnt go look at the shells in person.

90 pecent of them were not painted or restored just in various states of blasting and or primer and alot were just sitting there unrestored at all

the finished shells were not of poor quality at all i was personaly there and inspected several and they were not that bad body work wise.

you been watching to many bs tv stories

have you ever been in abody shop when a show paint job is being done ?

ever seen american hot rod and boyds street rods ? ever seen how much putty they put on one of those cars.

in a proper paint job if you want the car perfectly straight you may put 8 gallons of putty on .. but you sand 7.75 gallons of it back off.

the only way you get a car that straight is to do that simple as that .. now i prefer lead work in the seams etc.

Since you do own a performance shop then I would imagine you've heard of Level 5 halfshafts? That's what this car will use and will handel every bit of the 850 advertised hp from Shelby.

Did you realise UP was using prison labor to build their cars?
I have some actual video of the prioners using buckets of bondo filling up holes and rusted panels.I sure don't want to get into a pissing match with you and it has been an interesting conversation.Take care;)

[sacarguy]

yup and like i said for the 1500 bucks you spend JUST for those half shafts you can get a right length nine inch with brackets and axles and third member wich is far stronger..

even with the level 5 half shafts the stock cobra dif will give out with any hard drag use above 800 horsepower I would know i broke two of them in my 2006 mustang wich makes 750 rwhp

and you also have to spend a grip of money on irs bushings etc to properly setup a cobra irs you will spend aproc 2500 bucks to make a cobra irs handle 800 + horsepower and you stil havent put the thing in the car..

Like I said you need to stop watching tv shows UP was using prisoners to do stripping and removal blasting primering etc and instaltion of panels just basic stuff NOT any kind of finish body work that would take serious skill that was done at UP at one of its locations.

you are simply falling for the BS tv inflamation of the story.



i have personaly had several of the UP elenor cars on my chasis dyno here in san antonio and been over them and they were not as you describe.

[G-Body]

They are around..:)

SW
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This is going out on a limb for me but this stang is the sweetest Stang I have ever layed eyes on!
Im not a ford guy " except old hot rods with chevy engines"
and have never been a mustang fan but Damnnnn this is so me theres alot of cars that yo uwill see and say thats nice but id change this and maybe that not this stang wow..... well maybe if it had a Chevy motor lol:bow:

[427gt500E]

Do you happen to know anyone who bought a UP shell? I happen to know 3 people that bought shells at the auction,just to get them home and find out they must start completely over.And these shells weren't your 5000.00 shell,these shells ranged anywhere from 15 to 23k.

As for prison labor not building the building the cars, your wrong.They did every part of the bodywork except for painting.Were some cars built at the facility,yes,were all built there,no. Would you like me to post a link for that so you can see with your own eyes? Hasty isn't your brother in law by chance?

As for drag racing my car,where'd you come up with that.I never said it was a drag car.This car is slated for a show/road race car.

So,you build the car the way you like it and I'll build mine the way I like it.

[907rs]

I think you guys need to take your disagreement to pm's. I'd sure hate to see this thread get locked.

[bill amsley]

Do you happen to know anyone who bought a UP shell? I happen to know 3 people that bought shells at the auction,just to get them home and find out they must start completely over.And these shells weren't your 5000.00 shell,these shells ranged anywhere from 15 to 23k.

As for prison labor not building the building the cars, your wrong.They did every part of the bodywork except for painting.Were some cars built at the facility,yes,were all built there,no. Would you like me to post a link for that so you can see with your own eyes? Hasty isn't your brother in law by chance?

As for drag racing my car,where'd you come up with that.I never said it was a drag car.This car is slated for a show/road race car.

So,you build the car the way you like it and I'll build mine the way I like it.

not to enter someoneelses argument uninvited ,but the people you know, who obviosly know so much. shouldent have bid so much on a 5000$ CAR . ive been to plenty of auctions its always buyer beware esp. at a bankrupcy auction.(thats just my opin.)

[chicane]

I think you guys need to take your disagreement to pm's. I'd sure hate to see this thread get locked.


Yeah... I see this one's making new friends on all the boards. Maybe its a late model thing ??

Or is it Texas... ??

[RussMS]

I think some folks just like to argue, which is fine with me. I find it entertaining at the least. :D

I have a 69 Vert that I will one day be doing a mild PT build on. My plans were to drive it a while and enjoy it while I build my shop. Now that it has electrical problems, I may be buying or renting an old body shop just outside the city limits to get started sooner.

I look to the cars that Streetking and Steve at HRBS have built as an inspiration for how I want to do my build. Those cars are my two favorite 69s of all time. Pure artwork. :hail: I would love to have something that wouldn’t be to shameful to post on the same pages as those cars one day.

When I start trying to plan my build, I see a cool part, do my research only to find that it’s available for Camaros, Firebirds and Novas. Don’t get me wrong, there are some good Mustang PT items out there, but there is a limited number of suppliers.

I think this trend is changing. Some companies are stepping up and offering their version of the latest widget. I love the competition. Gives me more options and more prices to choose from. I just wish companies like DSE would offer a few Mustang parts. ::Hint hint:: but I won’t hold my breath.

I think the previously stated opinions here pretty much sum it up:

1. Chevy is way ahead of the curve on PT parts and technology
2. Most Mustangs just get restored. (yawn)
3. Everyone wants only the Fastbacks.

Just my 2 Cents.

[JamesJ]

Or is it Texas... ??

I dont think that is it.... :) we are all nice in best state in the land... :D

[sacarguy]

Do you happen to know anyone who bought a UP shell? I happen to know 3 people that bought shells at the auction,just to get them home and find out they must start completely over.And these shells weren't your 5000.00 shell,these shells ranged anywhere from 15 to 23k.

As for prison labor not building the building the cars, your wrong.They did every part of the bodywork except for painting.Were some cars built at the facility,yes,were all built there,no. Would you like me to post a link for that so you can see with your own eyes? Hasty isn't your brother in law by chance?

As for drag racing my car,where'd you come up with that.I never said it was a drag car.This car is slated for a show/road race car.

So,you build the car the way you like it and I'll build mine the way I like it.

The reason im arguing is everything hes saying is simply not true based on what i actualy saw with my own eyes vs what was posted all over the internet and the TV and his 8 gallons of filler coment was a exact qoute from the bs news story that was done.


I'm seeing things that just didnt happen being posted and hes saying numbers that well as someone who was there with the auction and bid on and bought a lot of stuff I can say aren't correct so it makes me wonder just how much of what hes saying he actualy knows or was just internet and tv hearsay.

for example he says he knows some one who paid 23 k for a shell. ? well The most expensive shell there sold for 19.2 k here is the auction link
http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?rosen/704

here is a few links to the average price for one of the painted shells was around 14 to 15 k .. wich is a STEAL as a dynacorn body cost that much and you get no body panels or paint etc and the shells came with painted doors hoods trunks and the body kit installed and painted.


http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?rosen/727

http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?rosen/745

heres a nice shell that would have been good to start with its already been media blasted and had every place it was rusted replaced with new panels

http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?rosen/724

deon't mind the surface rust showing thas because the stupid bankrupcy court just let these already blasted shells sit out side for months and even those that were completely primered already needed some work to remove surface rust that was showing.

Here is a car half done i dont see "8 gallons of filler" here just what prety much would be normal for a fender flare setup

http://www.rosensystems.com/maxanet/Unique%203.27.2008/unique0737.jpg


here is the 71 cuda shell we bought for 6800 that we sold on ebay for 12.5 k

here is the auction from the UP
http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?rosen/794

here is the ebay auction with tons of pics showing the real condition of the car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDWX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=250234537673&_trksid=p3984.cDIDN%27T.m317.lVI

either way the original question was it would seem to me you would see more :( but you just dont see nearly as many.

[427gt500E]

It's not a Texas thing,basically it's a know it all thing.
Did you notice him blast me when I said I'm installing an IRS in my 67Mustang.Did you also catch he said my halfshafts wont handel the power my engine will put out.He said all this without knowning what type of axels I'll be using.It really comes down to this,a know it all thing.

He might be schooled on late model Mustangs but I'm under the impression he knows very little about body work and less about the quailty of UP builds.It's a documented fact that even the very early elanors had issues with body cracking.Pull up "fix Eleanor" and read about it yourself.

And your wrong again,the news clips that you refer to CLEARLY says 13 gallons of puddy,not 8. I quouted 8 gallons of puddy as a direct quote from someone from North Carolina whos on a Mustang board that I ferquent.As a matter of fact the car he bought looked ok at the beginning.After trailering his car home chunks of filler were falling off the body. Another guy bought one in the very early stages of the build.His had no filler,he was lucky.But it had other quailty issues.

Other people who have bought cars from the auction also report similar issues.One guy in particular bought the SS version (supersnake which was 1 of 75) only to find panels welded and over lapping each other with yes,8 gallons of puddy to cover it up.So perhaps in your mind there was no quality issues.

He also doesn't beleive Texas state prioners were building these car.I can only assume that the prioners that were inteview about the builds were imposters.It's very easy to find this out by a Goggle search.Try it.None of this information that I cited in prior posts came from any new source other than the prioner thing.All the information I provided was directly from people who bought a UP auction car and discovered the quailty of the build once the car got home.

BTW,I only came on this board about a week ago to get some info on HOK paint that i'll be using on my car.Those good people that responed to my questions were very nice,polite and helpful.

So in essence,I'm out.

[907rs]

Sorry guys. This thread lost all productivity after the first page and a half.