Which rear suspension?

[mstennes]

Ok I know Lateral Dynamics makes the best rear suspension but I just cant bring myself to cut up the rear pasenger compartment on my 69 Camaro vert.
Right now I'm running GW Cat 5 springs but I'm thinking of going with either DSE's Quadra-Link or Alstons G Bar or just leave it as is?
Thanks for the help!

[ProdigyCustoms]

If you do not want to cut you only have one choice...........G Bar! You can install a G bar without removing any interior! Also the cost of the kit is the least of all the kits. Labor to intall is the least of all the kits. As for the 3 link being the best........Maybe in extreme situations, but the Air bar and Quadra link cars still run the numbers week in and week out.

[notorious1970]

We used all DSE stuff and it looks awesome. Very well engineered. Havent driven the car yet so i cannot comment on the ride quality but im sure it kicks a$$. It installs with very little intrusion into the interior (we are still running a back seat).

[Sales@Dutchboys]

DSE all the way......:thumbsup:

Paul

[skatinjay27]

like frank said. you gotta cut the car for the quadra-link also...

imo unless its a track car i would just stick with the cat-5s thier GREAT leafs

[Stuart Adams]

DSE Q link. Not even close.

[GrnMchin]

G-Bar for me. Why street driven and cost. Plus easy to install

[jason@gmachine]

what about GMR?


jason

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Another vote here for the Quadra link! We've run it with coilovers and shockwaves both cars handled incredible!

[mstennes]

I'm going to pull the trigger:yes: ! Thanks to.........................;)

[ProdigyCustoms]

We have the G Bar and Quadralink in stock.

[Mover]

Quadralink all the way.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Spam! nothing there

[1969L-89Rag]

Sorry, I missed the "s" with my one fingered typing!!!

www.maxgsystems.com

[andrewmp6]

There set up looks great it was on muscle car a while back.But they haven't answer my 2 emails i sent and i don't know anyone that bought anything from them yet.

[markss28]

Heidts has a complete 4 link with coilovers that just bolts right in for a grand. This is what Im looking into for my 73 camaro. the only thing is that you can not mini tub the car. It only gives about 1" additional clearance but thats fine with me.

[Marcus SC&C]

I know this is an older thread but there will be a new dog in the fight very shortly and it bears mentioning... the Chassisworks G-Link. http://www.scandc.com/alston.htm The G-Bar is a great system for touring cars and performs all out of proportion to it`s cost and simple design but the G-Link was engineered for serious cars with big horsepower and the very highest performance expectations. Unlike the Quadralink which gives you no adjustability or tuning options whatsoever (it`s preadjusted to do everything...heh) the G-Link is completely adjustable. It can be easily set for optimum auto cross or road course performance then in a few minutes dialed in to hook like a dedicated drag car. It also lets you minimize roll steer and optimize the geometry at many different ride heights, not just one. There are several different arm choices including both steel and billet aluminum arms with CNC machined delrin race greasable spherical pivot joints. There are two optional swaybars including a frame mounted (for less unsprung weight) adj. rate bar which gives you even more tuning options to get the car dialed in perfectly or a fixed rate bar (shown). It should be available in a month or so. The more preorders (no $ up front) we submit the sooner they`ll be available. This is still a no cut, bolt in package. FAB9 9" rears with G-Link brackets are also available as part of the package (shown). Mark SC&C
http://www.scandc.com/images/G-Bar-Billet_medium.jpg

[Flash68]

I know this is an older thread but there will be a new dog in the fight very shortly and it bears mentioning... the Chassisworks G-Link. http://www.scandc.com/alston.htm The G-Bar is a great system for touring cars and performs all out of proportion to it`s cost and simple design but the G-Link was engineered for serious cars with big horsepower and the very highest performance expectations. Unlike the Quadralink which gives you no adjustability or tuning options whatsoever (it`s preadjusted to do everything...heh) the G-Link is completely adjustable. It can be easily set for optimum auto cross or road course performance then in a few minutes dialed in to hook like a dedicated drag car. It also lets you minimize roll steer and optimize the geometry at many different ride heights, not just one. There are several different arm choices including both steel and billet aluminum arms with CNC machined delrin race greasable spherical pivot joints. There are two optional swaybars including a frame mounted (for less unsprung weight) adj. rate bar which gives you even more tuning options to get the car dialed in perfectly or a fixed rate bar (shown). It should be available in a month or so. The more preorders (no $ up front) we submit the sooner they`ll be available. This is still a no cut, bolt in package. FAB9 9" rears with G-Link brackets are also available as part of the package (shown). Mark SC&C
http://www.scandc.com/images/G-Bar-Billet_medium.jpg

Mark, I sent you a PM about this.

[BRETT ANDERSON]

I put a G-bar in my 1973 Camaro and am very happy with it. It offers: easy install, a bunch of ride height adjustment, and about 1" of extra tire clearance. I have been autocrossing the car and drive it on the street a bunch and am happy with it. I also know that DSE builds nice stuff too. I wonder how good Lateral Dynamics is. What have they built? I see the DSE and Alston stuff under several high performing cars.

[ProdigyCustoms]

We are real excited about the new G link. The one in the pictures IS NOT the Camaro set up. I cannot post pics yet, but soon as they come out were installing one in one of our own cars.

[ItDoRun]

We are real excited about the new G link. The one in the pictures IS NOT the Camaro set up. I cannot post pics yet, but soon as they come out were installing one in one of our own cars.

What setup is shown in the pictures if it's not for a Camaro?

[ProdigyCustoms]

That is a Mustang set up. The way the Camaro link attachments will look much different.

We are accepting Pre Orders now at the orginal price. Alston has promised a price increase once units start shipping late November

More information here

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17418

[Mean 69]

I wonder how good Lateral Dynamics is. What have they built?

It works, err, "good." The system is highly tunable, and has shown its capability against the competition, without fear.

The real question comes down to cutting the car, or not. If a customer is planning on mini-tubbing the car, etc, not wishing to keep the floorpans original, then there should be no hesitation in considering the Lateral Dynamics 3-Link. If cutting the car is not in the build plan, there are several options out there as the guys have shown. We will also have an option that won't require cutting as the 3-Link does, and it will also put performance as a primary design consideration, but we won't release until the design has been proven.

Cheers,
Mark

[ItDoRun]

Do these kits bolt to the rear end housing using the leaf spring mounts or is there separate bracketry that welds to the housing to mount the lower arms?

[ProdigyCustoms]

They will se the leaf pads and you will weld the upper link mounts. Unless you choose a bolt in rear housing or rear. then they will have a lower link mount, no adapter, and will also have jig welded upper link tabs

[Marcus SC&C]

Frank`s right, those are pics of the Stang G-Link. I have prototype pics of the real Camaro one but if I showed them to you I`d have to kill you. :P Chris and the crew at Alston really went above and beyond on this one and have put a huge amount of R&D,street and track (both road course and drag strip) testing time into it. The old G Bar for the Stang and Camaro were darn near identical but the Camaro G-Link is a whole different animal. The lower arms and link mounts are right as is the coil over crossmember but the UCA locations and upper cradle are much different. The new format offers even better geometry and a LOT more tail pipe room according to Alston. That`s good news all around. The one in the pic has the bolt on lower arm mounts. Weld on mounts are a $50 option and are the same ones they use on the application built FAB9 rears. There`s also two optional swaybars, one the axle mounted one shown and the other a frame mounted 3 way adjustable bar! If you`re not sure you want to run a bar right away you can get the brackets welded in the G-Link for $50 and get the bar later on. Fixtures are available for 10 bolt, 12 bolt and 9" rears to make the weld on axle mounts a no brainer and they`ll refund $30 of the fixtures cost when you return it (so you`re basically just renting it). The G-Link is a very trick setup! The preorder price only lasts until the first units ship though then they`re going up $200-$400 according to Chris so if you`re interested now`s the time to get your foot in the proverbial door. :yes: Mark SC&C

[intimidator69]

I'm looking at the G-bar setup for my 69 camaro and would like to know if it will work with my mini tub setup?

[ProdigyCustoms]

Oh yeah, that is the advantage of buildiong a lot of cars. We have them in a bunch of cars we have done in the shop and more in customers that bought the set ups from us. We have cars running 335 / 30 / 18s and monster 345 / 30 / 19s. We have all the measurements for rear / backspace / wheels size / tire size down.

345 / 30 / 19s on this car with A Prodigy Bar with Shockwaves and DSE mini tubs

http://www.lateral-g.net/members/serafine/

[MoparCar]

Frank or Marcus, Anything adjustable like the G-link for a Mopar E-body? Please.......

Thanks,

[ProdigyCustoms]

Mike Staveskia at Time Machines has some Mopar stuff. Don't know much about it.

[XLexusTech]

Can we Add torque Arm to the Poll?
I am on the fence on one side is the G Link on the other a Torque arm. I would be interested in see the TA added to the mix

[Marcus SC&C]

As mentioned the G Bar and G Link both work great with existing mini tub kits.

There is a Mopar E body G-Bar. While it doesn`t offer all of the adjustability of the G-Link it can be run with an adj. rate rear swaybar and is an impressive performer in it`s own right.

Torque arm systems can work quite well. Their overall format precludes them from having much antisquat and limits instant center location and SVSA length though which can make them one trick ponys. They can still hook hard in a straight line but it general requires the rest of the car to have a more hardcore drag set up than a comparable adj. 4 link car to run the same short times. These are generalizations of course but it`s one reason they aren`t more popular. One nice thing about them is it`s almost hard to build a bad one where it`s very easy to build a crappy 4 link, just ask the OEs... :P Mark SC&C

[zerotofear]

Our background is in the stockcar industry, I am a big fan of truckarms, two long torque arms that use the weight of the car to create forward bite. A trackbar is used as locating device, and adjusted up or down to control body roll, forward bite, and effective sping rate. This rear suspension is extremely simple, affordable, versatile, but more than anything it is the most competition proven system availible.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcenter.com/86montecarlo/112707033.jpg
We use full floater rears as you see the truck arms are mounted solid to the rear.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcenter.com/86montecarlo/110707013.jpg
The truck arms angle back from a center crossmember to the rear end.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcenter.com/86montecarlo/082808015.jpg
The coil-overs are mounted on this car infront of the rearend

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcenter.com/86montecarlo/102708005.jpg
We have mounted a D-M Products Rear anti-roll bar on this car for drag racing challenges.
The quick clips allow us to disconnect the rear bar for road courses.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcenter.com/86montecarlo/090308008.jpg
The crossmember has adjustable slugs left and right and these can be used to align or mis-align the rear depending on the handling characteristic you want.

[mazspeed]

Can we Add torque Arm to the Poll?
I am on the fence on one side is the G Link on the other a Torque arm. I would be interested in see the TA added to the mix

The G link is much better in the performance aspect. DSE is the way to go if you can swing it.
I drove a camaro about 18 moths ago with a truck arm rear from Hotrods to hell, and it was the biggest POS. It rode fine but it's not a performance rear by any means.

[skatinjay27]

The G link is much better in the performance aspect. DSE is the way to go if you can swing it.
I drove a camaro about 18 moths ago with a truck arm rear from Hotrods to hell, and it was the biggest POS. It rode fine but it's not a performance rear by any means.
truck arms rear suspension is not the same as a tq arm. 3rd and 4th gens use tq arm setups. its a tq arm from the tranny crossmember to the rear and uses a panhard to keep the rear center and uses two lower contol arms like typical 4 links.

[zerotofear]

Not a performance rear? This system has won as many races in the USA as any other system, even the fact that it is almost boob proof some boobs can screw up anything. Truck arms are in fact are torque arms solidly mounted in the rear the arms transfer energy by absorbing the initial shock under acceleration, under most systems this shock is transfered to the tires causing tire spin. Under braking the arms transfer the braking torque into the chassis pulling the car downward to the track.




www.smokinss.info

[Stuart Adams]

DSE 4 link.

[Silver69Camaro]

Morrison 3-link direct-fit rear clip. But I'm biased :D

Seriously though, a three link that allows you to keep your rear seat AND greatly improves torsional stiffness. Or a proven triangulated 4-bar that requires no floorpan cutting. Easier to install than a set of reproduction rear frame rails. Definetely an option to consider...

http://www.artmorrison.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Camaro-FrontClip

[mazspeed]

truck arms rear suspension is not the same as a tq arm. 3rd and 4th gens use tq arm setups. its a tq arm from the tranny crossmember to the rear and uses a panhard to keep the rear center and uses two lower contol arms like typical 4 links.

Yes very true. I don't know much about the tq arm though.

[z4me69]

went through the same decision between the g bar and q link . am lucky enough to have a couple of friends with both set ups. i went with dse hands down the best thing i ever did to my car

[Teetoe_Jones]

Lateral Dynamics 3 link. Won 1st Ultimate Street car challenge against other 4link setups mentioned in this thread. That tell you enough about it?

Tyler

[awr68]

Yeah and you got to experiance it first hand....that had to be kisk ass!!

[Vegas69]

Lateral Dynamics 3 link. Won 1st Ultimate Street car challenge against other 4link setups mentioned in this thread. That tell you enough about it?

Tyler
I don't know that I would quite put all the titles weight on the rear suspension. Pretty complete package in Penny. From the drivers seat to the rubber.

[Stuart Adams]

Lateral Dynamics 3 link. Won 1st Ultimate Street car challenge against other 4link setups mentioned in this thread. That tell you enough about it

Tyler


Are they still in business?

[mazspeed]

I don't know that I would quite put all the titles weight on the rear suspension. Pretty complete package in Penny. From the drivers seat to the rubber.

The drivers had a LOT to do with that, but that is a really good 3 link. If you put the same driver in all the cars, the result would have been very much different all the way around.

[skatinjay27]

Are they still in business?
from what i hear he is still in "business"...

[David Pozzi]

I was very impressed with the Lateral Dynamics 3 link on Bad Penny, this system would have to be rated at the top right now.

It's not like you really notice "wow, this rear suspension is really working". It's more like you don't notice any instability or bumps upsetting the rear, often getting something right just takes it away from the driver's perception of it. I also found that the case with the Bilstein shocks on Penny, there just wasn't an issue raised with the shocks. My hat's off to Steve's Bilstein guy.

The car did everything I asked of it and was very easy to drive, yes we had understeer, but other than that, the whole package just flat worked very well. A large part of my getting good results in the car was how easy it was to just hop in and drive the snot out of it! :thumbsup: The rear did NOTHING funny, put the power down VERY well from standing start to 95mph curves at 1.2g's :unibrow:

I'm a big fan of leaf springs, I think the only drawback they have is higher unsprung weight, this makes them less ideal for ride characteristics. You can put spherical bearings in them like GW cat 5, but those springs are very stiff and you feel the bumps much more through the bearings. Stock rubber front bushings are better riding but I'm sure you lose a little bit of directional stability.

Hopefully I will be working hard on my 67 Camaro this winter, and am now trying to choose what rear suspension I will use. I am torn between just throwing the Hotchkis leafs on it that I already have and suspect will be a tad soft, or going whole hog on the LD 3 link. With a roll bar in the car, I doubt I'll ever put a passenger in the back seat, it would be suicide. It's just that this was my first car, and I will be keeping it fairly stock looking inside, without the usual PT bling, I actually LIKE the factory gauges, -but it will be kinda serious in the engine and suspension dept.

I see a lot of value in the DSE quadralink, G bar/Air bar, Speed Tech torque arm or Alston rear. I doubt anyone driving on the street would need more, not to say they would not work on a track at all, there is no reason they should not work great. It's hard for me to comment on them since I haven't driven cars with them.

Lap time wise, I doubt there is a big difference between any of them, but for the highest driver confidence / comfort level, and tuneability, I'd lean towards the Lateral Dynamics 3 link. The things I don't like about it are the extra tubing/bracing/linkage for the bellcrank. I'd like to use a 12 bolt rear axle, but access to the rear cover would be tough. I think I'd have to switch to a Ford 9" rear.
David

[XLexusTech]

Check the Torqe arm out in action..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDGgbCm0HcQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhE4qXx8G1A&feature=related

I went to the track to see it first hand. It carves!

[MoparCar]

Morrison 3-link direct-fit rear clip. But I'm biased :D

Seriously though, a three link that allows you to keep your rear seat AND greatly improves torsional stiffness. Or a proven triangulated 4-bar that requires no floorpan cutting. Easier to install than a set of reproduction rear frame rails. Definetely an option to consider...

http://www.artmorrison.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Camaro-FrontClip

Matt,
Did you have some final driving impressions between your 3-link and the 4-link set up on your car? I believe you were still comparing a month or so ago if I recall correctly. Differences, feel, etc?

Thanks

[markss28]

I think for the money the 3 link is way over priced its atleast 1 grand higher then everything out plus you have to use a 9" so account for another 2gs on that aswell. G bar looks easy to install and great for the money leafs of course are the cheap way but on the street they get the job done.

My 2 cents

[David Pozzi]

Ok I know Lateral Dynamics makes the best rear suspension but I just cant bring myself to cut up the rear pasenger compartment on my 69 Camaro vert.
Right now I'm running GW Cat 5 springs but I'm thinking of going with either DSE's Quadra-Link or Alstons G Bar or just leave it as is?
Thanks for the help!

Sorry I ignored this post above and didn't address it before.

The Cat 5 spring has a rate of 240 lbs/inch and has metal spherical bearings on each end, most other tuner springs are 175 and come with rubber front eye bushings. Any of those leaf springs will ride better than the Cat5. On my wife's 73 Camaro we removed Hotchkis leafs and installed the Cat5. Much rougher ride. tires make a big difference in ride quality too. With our race tires the car rode terrible on the Cat5's, with street rubber it was tolerable, still stiff but not as harsh.

David

[ProdigyCustoms]

Sorry I ignored this post above and didn't address it before.

The Cat 5 spring has a rate of 240 lbs/inch and has metal spherical bearings on each end, most other tuner springs are 175 and come with rubber front eye bushings. Any of those leaf springs will ride better than the Cat5. On my wife's 73 Camaro we removed Hotchkis leafs and installed the Cat5. Much rougher ride. tires make a big difference in ride quality too. With our race tires the car rode terrible on the Cat5's, with street rubber it was tolerable, still stiff but not as harsh.

David

I have replaced a couple sets of those Cat 5s for complaining customers (harsh ride) and replaced them with Hotchkis or DSE (lower rate and rubber bushings). There is a point where you get way to solid and stiff with leafs, especially for a street car.

[deuce_454]

I have replaced a couple sets of those Cat 5s for complaining customers (harsh ride) and replaced them with Hotchkis or DSE (lower rate and rubber bushings). There is a point where you get way to solid and stiff with leafs, especially for a street car.


Those are sensible words... too much desk top engineering will usually send teh build in a direction that might not be what you really want in the end.... id listen to frank and do a prodogy rear bar or what ever he calls it now :D :D

[The WidowMaker]

I think for the money the 3 link is way over priced its atleast 1 grand higher then everything out plus you have to use a 9" so account for another 2gs on that as well

i agree that its a lot more money, but the 9" is included. its close to a grand from the other companies. if you dont need the 9", youll still spend 15+ hours cutting off the old brackets and welding on all those new brackets in the right place. the 9" is well worth the price from any of the vendors in my opinion.

Tim

[AJSZR2326]

independent rear suspension ! like a c6

[Marcus SC&C]

I finally have soem installed pics of the new Chassisworks G-Link for you guys to take a gander at. They`re not great pics and these are pre production parts so the final welding and surface finishe aren`t done but it gives you a good idea of where they`ve made changes and improvements. Check out how roomy it is now, exhaust should be a piece of cake. TrueCenter greasable delrin pivots at all 8 points. Note all the adj. holes to tune anti squat, IC location and roll steer. The LCA mounts even incorperate integral trailer tie down loops. I think that`s a really neat touch. They saved additional weight by eliminating a lot of the old tubular upper structure. The new upper mounting structure directly reinforces the unibody rails.The adj. rate swaybar is frame mounted,making it sprung weight and it`s geometry allows it to generate high rates with a small OD and less mass. It`s all very clean engineering and extremely lightweight. Note that there is still NO cutting involved at all. We`ll have better pics in a week or so. The G-Link will also be shipping by then so the pre-order pricing will be over. There`s still a little time to save a few hundred bucks. Mark SC&C

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/MarkSCandC/Chassisworks_Camaro_g-Bar_01.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/MarkSCandC/Chassisworks_Camaro_g-Bar_03.jpg

[FreddieCougar]

Actually, that is a production Chassisworks piece...those are the production finishes.
Tim

[ProdigyCustoms]

Also there are weld on lower brackets option available for a cleaner / non adapted look.

We have a few one order and will be putting one in my personal car in the next couple weeks. Cannot wait.

[ItDoRun]

Tim,
If I want to use my existing 12 bolt and not use the u-bolts provided, what provisions are there for weld on housing brackets for the lower arms?

Chris

[ProdigyCustoms]

We already sold a couple kits with weld on brackets. $50 more for weld on brackets.

[MoparCar]

Mopar E-body please.........

[wedgehead]

I second the E-body.

[Marcus SC&C]

Thanks Tim, straight from the horses mouth. Poor wording on my part, I meant to say that the welding and surface finishes of the install (including the car ie. rusty parts) weren`t done yet. ;)

The weld on brackets are a great option for a cleaner look. They`re almost elegant.
You can also get the swaybar mounts (either style) for $50 without the bar if you want to leave your options open but don`t want to cough up the extra for the whole bar now. Personally I love that adj. rate bar! The axle mounted bar with its billet arms is really pretty and functional too but tuning options make me all warm and fuzzy. :yes:

Maybe Tim can give some more info on other applications but last I talked to Chris there are plans to do a G-Link for all of the G-Bar applications so E-Body should be coming. Knowing how long this stuff takes to do right I suspect it may be a while though. In the mean time the existing G-Bar for those cars is a darn good system in it`s own right and we`ll be offering billet/greasable pivot ball double adj. arms for them like those on the G-Link. We have a Hellwig adj. rate rear swaybar for them as well. That gets you pretty close to a G-Link. Mark SC&C

[Marcus SC&C]

Just a quick update on the G-Link. They`re shipping which is very cool! We also just became aware of a clearance issue when using the bolt on G-Link LCA brackets in mini tubbed applications. Some big mini tubb only wheel dia. and backspace combinations may not clear the lower coil over mounting bracket. The arms and brackets are much more beefy and they added additional adjustment holes so the brackets are a bit larger than the original G-Bar. If you want to run minitubbs just select the weld on lower arm mounts. They can be installed further inboard for clearance and Chassisworks is already working on instructions and an offset bushing kit for the front of the lower arms to preserve the correct geometry. The upper coilover mounts have plenty of holes for adjustment so no changes will be required there at all. CW will be doing at least one narrowed rear swaybar for minitubb applications and the adj. rate Hellwig rear bars should work as well. Thanks to Frank at Prodigy who`s helping Chassisworks with the fittment details on his mini tubbed cars. Mark SC&C

[Tony@AirRideTech]

I second the E-body.



http://www.ridetech.com/products/Chrysler_E_Body_70_74_AirBar_w_ShockWaves-824-75.html

[autoxcuda]

Here's a guy with lots of actual competitive autocross and road racing experiance. And he's a hands on guy that works on his own stuff to boot.

And it's like everyone just blew right by this post.

I was very impressed with the Lateral Dynamics 3 link on Bad Penny, this system would have to be rated at the top right now.

It's not like you really notice "wow, this rear suspension is really working". It's more like you don't notice any instability or bumps upsetting the rear, often getting something right just takes it away from the driver's perception of it. I also found that the case with the Bilstein shocks on Penny, there just wasn't an issue raised with the shocks. My hat's off to Steve's Bilstein guy.

The car did everything I asked of it and was very easy to drive, yes we had understeer, but other than that, the whole package just flat worked very well. A large part of my getting good results in the car was how easy it was to just hop in and drive the snot out of it! :thumbsup: The rear did NOTHING funny, put the power down VERY well from standing start to 95mph curves at 1.2g's :unibrow:

I'm a big fan of leaf springs, I think the only drawback they have is higher unsprung weight, this makes them less ideal for ride characteristics. You can put spherical bearings in them like GW cat 5, but those springs are very stiff and you feel the bumps much more through the bearings. Stock rubber front bushings are better riding but I'm sure you lose a little bit of directional stability.

Hopefully I will be working hard on my 67 Camaro this winter, and am now trying to choose what rear suspension I will use. I am torn between just throwing the Hotchkis leafs on it that I already have and suspect will be a tad soft, or going whole hog on the LD 3 link. With a roll bar in the car, I doubt I'll ever put a passenger in the back seat, it would be suicide. It's just that this was my first car, and I will be keeping it fairly stock looking inside, without the usual PT bling, I actually LIKE the factory gauges, -but it will be kinda serious in the engine and suspension dept.

I see a lot of value in the DSE quadralink, G bar/Air bar, Speed Tech torque arm or Alston rear. I doubt anyone driving on the street would need more, not to say they would not work on a track at all, there is no reason they should not work great. It's hard for me to comment on them since I haven't driven cars with them.

Lap time wise, I doubt there is a big difference between any of them, but for the highest driver confidence / comfort level, and tuneability, I'd lean towards the Lateral Dynamics 3 link. The things I don't like about it are the extra tubing/bracing/linkage for the bellcrank. I'd like to use a 12 bolt rear axle, but access to the rear cover would be tough. I think I'd have to switch to a Ford 9" rear.
David

[70rs]

Thanks for reposting that. ^^^^^ It has a ton of really good insight in there. I know I blew past it the first time I went through this thread. I should have paid attention. :cheers:

[mstennes]

Here's a guy with lots of actual competitive autocross and road racing experiance. And he's a hands on guy that works on his own stuff to boot.

And it's like everyone just blew right by this post.

Thats where I'm at, is the Quadri or G-link "THAT" much better to justify the cost or is it the bling? If your not racing what good is tuneality? Once its set for the street, doubtful it will ever be readjusted again. What I'm looking for is a wider rear tire, but again at what expense and is the worth, what, 2"?
I'm just trying to better hook up my LS7, and who knows I may be looking at it all wrong? I have Hotchkis now for rear springs with a set of Cat 5's sitting on a shelf. What gains do you really get with mini tubs, wider tires before I get a serious pushing effect? I mean how wide before I experiance new problems? I also love Lateral Dynamics rear suspension, but where are they now? Last I heard it was not shipping. So now its DSE's Quadri, which I heard is a pain for the exhaust, and the G-link, which I know nothing about.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Here is a G link istall we just finished. Pretty cool stuff and a easy install. The adjustability is especially nice if you are dual purposing the car. The ride of any good four link compared to performance leafs is reason enough to run a 4 link. Tire wise, you can mini tub and run 335s with leafs or four links. But doing a mini tub leaf spring car today is a pure welcome to 1999 set up. The net cost of components difference between a mini tub G link or Quadra Link kit and a mini tub leaf spring kit is about $1500. Easily recovered in added value of the finished car.


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_8130.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_8095.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_7475.jpg

[ibdmann]

awesome car, you've got some skill frank

[DFRESH]

Here is a G link istall we just finished. Pretty cool stuff and a easy install. The adjustability is especially nice if you are dual purposing the car. The ride of any good four link compared to performance leafs is reason enough to run a 4 link. Tire wise, you can mini tub and run 335s with leafs or four links. But doing a mini tub leaf spring car today is a pure welcome to 1999 set up. The net cost of components difference between a mini tub G link or Quadra Link kit and a mini tub leaf spring kit is about $1500. Easily recovered in added value of the finished car.


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_8130.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_8095.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_7475.jpg

Frank--is this at the lowest setting? It looks like it from the shocks being spun down all way---perhaps that was just the install---Just wondering if you could go lower with it.

[tmadden]

Frank--is this at the lowest setting? It looks like it from the shocks being spun down all way---perhaps that was just the install---Just wondering if you could go lower with it.

Who does this beauty belong to? Don't see it in the members section

[ProdigyCustoms]

We just finished it and sent it home to California.

As for ride height, we set it up that way, customer did not want it to low. it would go lower thoough

[dlouie87]

thats pretty under the rear:thumbsup: :unibrow:

[JP customs]

Looks great looking to do this over winter can't wait to see the ride difference from springs.

[JRouche]

Looks looks a solid setup.. I like the all in one bracket. Looks stout and frees up some room for exhaust.

I was looking at it for height too. The pics of the bracket? Are they with the suspension at full droop? Was wondering cause the sway bar arm is pointed way up from the looks of it. Any more compression on the suspension looks like it will push the sway bar's arm link pretty far forward. Id prolly like to see a longer link and have the arm a lil more level with the ground. Might just be the pics giving the look that the arm is pointing up alot.

But I like the ride height of the car on the side shot, looks good.

Everything looks good. Cept Id like to see a longer sway bar end link. Looks kinda short with the arm pointed up. JR

[deuce_454]

this thread was started on: 03-31-2008, 03:39 AM ... what did he end up going with?

[81s]

I think at the bottom of the first page he said something like pulling the trigger. Either he :faint: offed himself or i guess went with the lateral dynamics.

[mstennes]

I think at the bottom of the first page he said something like pulling the trigger. Either he :faint: offed himself or i guess went with the lateral dynamics.

After getting sidetraked twice, than Lateral Dynamics back log/woes, I'm going to go Speed Tech:thumbsup: now that the Christmas bleeding of the accounts:wow: is over:woot:

[JustinB]

good choice! :thumbsup:

[awr68]

good choice! :thumbsup:

X2!! Great product and customer service!! :thumbsup:

[mstennes]

good choice! :thumbsup:

Will be in touch:yes:

[nl12]

is the lateral dynamics 3 link still available? if so whats their contact info? if not what would be the best track oriented alternative.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

you maybe able to find a used set floating around.

Give Jake at Jake's Rod shop a hollar. He has some good things rollin out of the oven.
http://www.jakesrodshop.com/Home.html
vince

[dhutton]

is the lateral dynamics 3 link still available? if so whats their contact info? if not what would be the best track oriented alternative.

Art Morrison has a 3 link clip that is worth looking at.

Don

[Silver69Camaro]

Art Morrison has a 3 link clip that is worth looking at.

Don

I agree! It's been pretty well proven too, and has been slightly revised in the past couple months.

But I'm biased...

[Bryce]

I agree! It's been pretty well proven too, and has been slightly revised in the past couple months.

But I'm biased...

What revisions were made?

[Blake Foster]

I agree! It's been pretty well proven too, and has been slightly revised in the past couple months.

But I'm biased...

Biased .... ???? I dont get it??? :lol: :lol:

[Silver69Camaro]

What revisions were made?

We have custom-made Johnny Joints available that allows me to toe-in the LCAs for reduced roll steer. Normally I could only do this if the customer wanted to run sphericals, but now you can have this with the isolation of urethane bushings. Also, in about month or so, adjustable ARBs are standard equipment with the middle adjustment being about 6% stiffer than the current design.

[Bryce]

Cool stuff thanks for posting!

[TravisB]

you maybe able to find a used set floating around.

Give Jake at Jake's Rod shop a hollar. He has some good things rollin out of the oven.
http://www.jakesrodshop.com/Home.html
vince

I have two of jakes set ups.... very nice stuff.

[69znc]

Ok I know Lateral Dynamics makes the best rear suspension but I just cant bring myself to cut up the rear pasenger compartment on my 69 Camaro vert.
Right now I'm running GW Cat 5 springs but I'm thinking of going with either DSE's Quadra-Link or Alstons G Bar or just leave it as is?
Thanks for the help!

Gosh I hope after all the comments you still do not think LD is best. Most seem to support DSE as I do. Even the poll shows DSE.

[frojoe]

Gosh I hope after all the comments you still do not think LD is best. Most seem to support DSE as I do. Even the poll shows DSE.

I bet the LatD 3link would be almost as popular as the DSE if it didn't impede on the rear seats so much more with that pocket for the upper link. DSE 4link is a very nice product, but I think both are hovering around the same quality level, with the geo of the 3link being maybe a bit more ideal, albeit much more intrusive to the stock sheetmetal. That being said I haven't installed either, this is just from observing the internetz.

Also... you can't deny that there is a legion of loyal internet-spurred DSE fanboys (not that their product doesn't at all deserve it)... so it's pretty hard to NOT buy DSE when everyone so quickly and shortly responds "DSE, not question" and that's it.

[FETorino]

I bet the LatD 3link would be almost as popular as the DSE if it didn't impede on the rear seats so much more with that pocket for the upper link. DSE 4link is a very nice product, but I think both are hovering around the same quality level, with the geo of the 3link being maybe a bit more ideal, albeit much more intrusive to the stock sheetmetal. That being said I haven't installed either, this is just from observing the internetz.

Also... you can't deny that there is a legion of loyal internet-spurred DSE fanboys (not that their product doesn't at all deserve it)... so it's pretty hard to NOT buy DSE when everyone so quickly and shortly responds "DSE, not question" and that's it.

Just an observation but the fact that DSE continuously takes their products to the track to prove their competence makes it hard to argue against them. Just look at the Mustang stuff they are releasing it after already winning events with it. On paper or the internet many things can look as good or better but real world is the real test.

[Stuart Adams]

Just an observation but the fact that DSE continuously takes their products to the track to prove their competence makes it hard to argue against them. Just look at the Mustang stuff they are releasing it after already winning events with it. On paper or the internet many things can look as good or better but real world is the real test.

Well said.

[Matt@BOS]

Just an observation but the fact that DSE continuously takes their products to the track to prove their competence makes it hard to argue against them. Just look at the Mustang stuff they are releasing it after already winning events with it. On paper or the internet many things can look as good or better but real world is the real test.

Not to mention the fact that DSE has been setting the standard for aftermarket parts in our segment. It isn't just that their products perform well, but that they are built to exacting standards, and yet also provide enough adjustment to fit 40 year old cars, which are never the same. Trust me, this is something not all aftermarket companies have grasped yet.

For me, it wasn't easy to buy DSE the first time around, because it is quite expensive. However, their stuff fits so well, you don't have to waste time later figuring things out yourself, or paying a shop to do it. While you don't save money on the purchase, you save time during the build, and time often equals money :lol:

Matt