DSE Mini Tub?

[unwrittenlaw191]

How are the location of the front of the leaf spring moved in? I know that the rear are moved with the off-set shackels. Just trying to decide if I should buy this kit.

Thanks

[Jimmy Sean]

The physical location of the front spring hanger is in the factory location. If anything the spring would not be centered on the bushing. This applies to first gen not sure of the others.

[yellowrallys]

The front of the spring does not relocate. There is enough movement in the hangers to enable the spring to line up with the offset rears.

[Musclecar]

How are the location of the front of the leaf spring moved in? I know that the rear are moved with the off-set shackels. Just trying to decide if I should buy this kit.

Thanks

Buy it, you'll like it!

[dj3]

Anyone got any pics? Im interested in this as well.

[Jimmy Sean]

Pic's of what? There are alot here http://www.detroitspeed.com/projectpages/project_page.htm

[dj3]

I wanted to see how the relocated springs looked and how bad of an angle it is. Thanks for the link.

[907rs]

The DSE Hangers actually straighten the angle of the spring (not that it matters). From the factory, the frame rails and springs angle to the outside of the car toward the rear.

[NEVER ENOUGH]

I saw this on another site, thought it was helpful..

Stock leaf springs look (similar although a bit drastic) to this / \

DSE offset shackles make the leaf springs look like this ! !

[dj3]

Thanks for the info. I had always thought there was major fab work required for the DSE kit. Looks like you could get a body shop to install the tub and do the rest in the driveway.

[Smittys67]

Depending on what your doing with the fuel tank if your getting the kit $1320 plus a tank $800 its only $500 more to put a quadralink and mini tubs in. Im a DSE dealer if you need any help or the parts.

[XcYZ]

Thanks for the info. I had always thought there was major fab work required for the DSE kit. Looks like you could get a body shop to install the tub and do the rest in the driveway.

It's not hard, just tedious the first time you do it.

[chicane]

Just an FYI.

Mounting the leafs so that the front eyes are slightly inboard of the rear eyes will cause the leafs to have more lateral stiffness. This can make the chassis feel tighter and may help prevent the rear suspension from binding due to excessive lateral deflection of the leaf. However, if the leafs are offset too much, the suspension becomes too stiff laterally and rear side bite is lost. Whenever the body slides over the rear end during cornering, the splayed leafs can cause rear steer that will also help the car to turn.

Its not always a good idea to lessen and/or eliminate the angle in the springs, front to rear. But... if done with purpose and taking into consideration to what that modification yields... it can work. Remember, the many factors of a leaf spring suspension are interrelated and a change to one aspect of the suspension usually affects others. Consequently, the handling results are not always as predicted!

The next issue would be the addition of a lateral locating device, like that of a panhard, j-bar or watts link from the chassis 'loosening up'.

[Bowtieracing]

Just an FYI.

Its not always a good idea to lessen and/or eliminate the angle in the springs, front to rear. But... if done with purpose and taking into consideration to what that modification yields... it can work. The next issue would be the addition of a lateral locating device, like that of a panhard, j-bar or watts link from the chassis 'loosening up'.

What are actually choises for good "lateral locatationg device" if good exhaust pipe clearance is needed as well as at least 3" drop ?

[chicane]

Wow. That is a scary question.

In a limited travel suspension, a panhard can work... but still has its limitations going into bind outside that window. A j-bar can work as well... but at the sacrifice of OE muffler placement. And lastly, a watts can work with all of what you questioned. Packaging of a 3" system with say... the Lat-D 3 link is a definately possibility.

Then again... there is always mandrel bend oval exhaust tubing. ;)

[Bowtieracing]

Thanks Chicane,

I appreciate your knowledge. I have been wondering a lot what do i really really need. So far the car is still on pieces and i do have the 3" drop offset leaf kit from DSE. First questions is do i really need any kind of bar to keep the rear in place when cornering. Stock systems dont have it . But i will have aggressive tire and plan on takeing some track time in future.

L-D 3 link is out of question, so is QL . Then there is G-bar wich i am intrested of but then "heard" it might give as low stance as i need. So there are more questions than answers..:willy:

[dj3]

Am I correct in assuming that the rearend will have to be narrowed a little to run an 11" wheel. Does the kit give you the dimensions needed for the spring perch relocation and amount to narrow or is this all tape measure. Thanks for all the great info.

[BBC69Camaro]

Depending on what your doing with the fuel tank if your getting the kit $1320 plus a tank $800 its only $500 more to put a quadralink and mini tubs in. Im a DSE dealer if you need any help or the parts.

I am just wondering how do you figure it is only 500 more for Quadralink + Minitubs as opposed to only Minitubs?

Minitubs 399
Quadralink + shocks and springs 2195
total 2600

Minitub kit 1382
Shocks 210
total 1600

Approx 1000 difference even factoring in the shocks for the only the minitub...

[XcYZ]

I believe he meant if you took into account the cost of a custom narrowed tank that's needed when using the offset shackles, vs. using a totally stock tank with the Q-link.

[Smittys67]

Yes if you figure the narrowed tank into the price. And its not much more work to put the quadralink in.

[BBC69Camaro]

Ah you don't need the narrowed tank when using the Quadra link with the mini-tubs?

Didn't know that.