1970 C10 truck with complete c5 drivetrain and suspension with air ride

[abadsvt]

Hi everyone! I have been lurking around here for a while as a guest admiring some of your absolutely beautiful projects and rides. I finally decided to register and share my project with all of you guys. I am new to this kind of build so i am learning as i go. I orginally built a custom tube frame for my truck that utilizes the solid rear end and a LS1 motor but when i went looking for the motor i found an increadible deal on the entire c5 drivetrain so i decided to go that route. So i built a new frame to accomodate all the c5 drivetrain and suspension. I had to extend the torque tube to accomodate the longer wheel base. There are a bunch of other things i did but will let the pictures do some of the talking. I am hoping to have it driveable by this summer so i can make sure i don't have any bugs and everything performs well then it will be torn back down for paint and powdercoating. Enjoy

[abadsvt]

Is this the only way to post pictures are these little attachments? You can't just post the pics in the threads? Thanks

Josh

[syborg tt]

Hi Josh,

Truck looks great.

You can host pics on a site and then use the image button to past in the link to the picture and your pic will be posted

[ccracin]

Josh,

Glad to see you made it over here. I am subscribed to your build over at 47-72 Trucks. Lookin good. You can post in a thread by having your images hosted on a site. I use photobucket, it's free and works fine. I'm sure others around here can give you more choices. Once your images are hosted you just have to copy the link into the body of your test. It will look like this
"://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r35/ccracin/Cab_2.jpg" , I left the http out before the // so that you could see the format.


Hope this helps. Welcome again.

[abadsvt]

Thanks guys for the help! I really appreciate it! I will delete the attached pics and then just post them in the thread.

Here is the frame jig i made
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frametable1.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frametable3.jpg

Here are a few pics during my build.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/framegusset1.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frontuppersupsensionpic1.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/motorandtranspic1.jpg

[ironworks]

Wow that thing should be cool.

Rodger

[abadsvt]

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/cabonframe4.jpg

This is where i am now. This week i plan on starting the stainless steel gas tank then work my way into the motor and the turbos

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frameoutside8.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frameoutside5.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frameoutside7.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frameoutside6.jpg

[XcYZ]

Wow that thing should be cool.

Rodger

x2! :cheers:

[abadsvt]

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/frameoutside4.jpg

Here are two pics with some sheetmetal on. The sun was pretty bright so the pics aren't the best. Anyways enjoy

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/cabonframe5.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/abadsvt/cabonframe6.jpg

[syborg tt]

That chassis is so simple and OEM looking - Man that's some great work

[abadsvt]

Wow that thing should be cool.

Rodger

Hey Rodger! Thanks alot. I love your guys work. I have been to your website a million times. You guys do some unbelievable work. I have been following that c6 57 for a while and i love it. I hope you don't mind but i borrowed a few ideas from you guys. When do you think we will see some completed pics of the truck? Talk to you later

Josh

[abadsvt]

x2! :cheers:

XCYZ your 69 camaro is BEAUTIFUL!!! Very well built and great attention to detail. That is probably one of the nicest camaro's i have ever seen!:thumbsup: Keep up the great work.

Josh

[abadsvt]

That chassis is so simple and OEM looking - Man that's some great work

That was along the lines of what i was wanting. I like the simple designs because they look clean. Thanks for the complements!

Josh

ps. If any of you guys notice anything i should address or alter please let me know. This is my first build with any c5 parts and am learning as i go. Thanks again

[ccracin]

Josh,

It is really looking good. I wish we could make some more progress on our truck. My Dad (The Owner) has taken on a Honey Do project so we are in a holding pattern. By the way, I edited my first post to remove the picture of our cab. I didn't want to confuse your thread. Since you he picture attachments sorted out your good to go. Keep up the good work. I'll be watching closely.:thumbsup:

[Garage Dog 65]

Looks great Josh ! Thanks for posting your build so we can watch.

What are you doing for the inner drive shaft - or is that a stock length torque tube ?

Thx !!

Jim

[Bowtieracing]

Josh you are really talented chassis builder :hail: Keep those project pics coming!!! :thumbsup:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

BAD A$$! :thumbsup:


Paul

[abadsvt]

Looks great Josh ! Thanks for posting your build so we can watch.

What are you doing for the inner drive shaft - or is that a stock length torque tube ?

Thx !!

Jim


I had to extend the torque tube so i will be having the driveshaft extended also. I am going to go with a carbon fiber driveshaft because from what i have been told the alluminum driveshaft will have too much flex if it gets any longer. Not sure if that is 100% true but it isn't a big difference in money so i will just go the safe route.

[Vegas69]

Fing killer build. I want to build a 70 Chevy short bed one of these days. Dazed and Confused hooked me in high school.:thumbsup:

[TravisB]

I had to extend the torque tube so i will be having the driveshaft extended also. I am going to go with a carbon fiber driveshaft because from what i have been told the alluminum driveshaft will have too much flex if it gets any longer. Not sure if that is 100% true but it isn't a big difference in money so i will just go the safe route.

Hopefully rodger will see this he knows a ton about tourqe tubes......

[Garage Dog 65]

Yup, You can't extend the shaft much beyond stock before you get into harmonic distortion and it will self-destruct. You'd have to increase the diameter of the shaft to be able to go longer - which won't work in the torque tube - so the carbon fiber deal is the only option.

[abadsvt]

Yup, You can't extend the shaft much beyond stock before you get into harmonic distortion and it will self-destruct. You'd have to increase the diameter of the shaft to be able to go longer - which won't work in the torque tube - so the carbon fiber deal is the only option.

That is good to know! I was relying only on the person who was going to be selling my the carbon fiber driveshaft so I felt that maybe he was just trying to sell me but this reassured me that he was telling me the truth. Thanks alot

[Garage Dog 65]

Here's an online calculator:

http://www.wallaceracing.com/driveshaftspeed.htm

You can also hit the Dana corp web site for additional info.

http://www2.dana.com/expert/wc.dll?cvsp~Decrits~

PS, some call it 'driveshaft critical speed'.

[byndbad914]

do you have any detailed photos of the rear suspension rockers? Specifically how the pivot point is designed and how the rocker is attached at that point?

[KPC67]

What is with all these cool trucks being built?
Maybe I am just jealous.:rolleyes:
Kevin

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Keep the trucks coming, that should be a total bad ass when done looks awsum:thumbsup:

[abadsvt]

do you have any detailed photos of the rear suspension rockers? Specifically how the pivot point is designed and how the rocker is attached at that point?

I don't have any pics right now of the rocker arms but i can try to explain how it works and how i have it setup. I designed the rocker arms to have right around 1.6:1 ratio plus you have the ratio of the lower control arm which puts me just under 2:1. I had to use short stroke shockwaves because i was limited with space since the rear rails were narrowed to accomodate the upper control arms. They have a 3.5" stroke so i am getting right about 7" of lift. The rocker arm pivots off a custom made rod end. The rod end screws into a welded in bung. The welded bung was reinforced with some 3/16 thick plate on top of the .120 tubing for some extra support. When you do a rear suspension setup like this you have to take into consideration your what your ratio is to what the shockwave weight capabilities. For example: a sleeve style shockwave has a 1500lbs per bag weight capability. So you take you ratio which in my case was 2:1 you have to divide 1500 by what your ratio is. So that left me with only 750lbs per bag which is a little close so that i why i decided to run convoluted shockwaves instead. They have a 2140 lbs per bag. I hope i answered some or your questions not sure if i did though. I will be out of town for the next couple weeks so when i get back i will try and get some pics for you if you still need them.

Josh

[abadsvt]

Here's an online calculator:

http://www.wallaceracing.com/driveshaftspeed.htm

You can also hit the Dana corp web site for additional info.

http://www2.dana.com/expert/wc.dll?cvsp~Decrits~

PS, some call it 'driveshaft critical speed'.

That is some great info! thanks alot

Josh

[byndbad914]

... The rocker arm pivots off a custom made rod end. The rod end screws into a welded in bung. The welded bung was reinforced with some 3/16 thick plate on top of the .120 tubing for some extra support...
to have a pic of that would be nice, but not a necessity, so if it is no big deal to get a pic I would appreciate it.

There are more than a few rockers out there I have seen that didn't use some sort of heim/rod end and that is a big mistake (they just use a bolt thru a sleeve or something for pivot) and I am interested in seeing other's ideas when they "do it right". sounds like you did it right.

[abadsvt]

to have a pic of that would be nice, but not a necessity, so if it is no big deal to get a pic I would appreciate it.

There are more than a few rockers out there I have seen that didn't use some sort of heim/rod end and that is a big mistake (they just use a bolt thru a sleeve or something for pivot) and I am interested in seeing other's ideas when they "do it right". sounds like you did it right.

When i get back i will get some pics for you. The whole cantilever suspension setup isn't very difficult once you understand a few key points. When you deal with a solid axel rear end it is pretty simple because there isn't many variables but when you deal with IRS it becomes more complicated because you have to considers the limited space of the upper control arms, make sure you clear the rear axles, and that you take into consideration the angle of the lower control arm. I, by no means, am a expert with this type of suspension setups and suspension in particular and there might be better ways to do it but this is how i think it should be done and function properly. Anyways sorry for talking your head off.

Josh

[Kendall Burleson]

That is going to be one fine truck good job! love it:cheers: :cheers: