Schwartz TT Trans Am

[jeff s]

It was a Turbo 4.9 L. I've got 30 different renderings, from 4 designers, totally undecided right now.
The 2nd-gen camaro / firebird chassis (f-body) version of our G-Machine Chassis is almost done. LS3 block is here, it'll get a LS7 crank and dry sump, pair of T61's, 6.6 or 6.9L.
I love cars from the Southwest, no rust except where pine needles collected in a couple spots. Floor is discolored from the heat of those old pellet style cats. Only surprise was the previous shoddy 1/4 panel repair.
Chassis will be done and body blasted in 2 weeks.

www.schwartzperformance.com
Thanks

Updated shot:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8429/7657169976_fc99ed8372_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7657169976/)
DSCN1253 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7657169976/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr

[dave96dcm]

http://www.gmachinechassis.com/4redec.jpg

That looks real nice, I like the look of the recent white cars, they look real clean.

[O'Neall]

Looks cool. I used to have a white/red 79 400/4spd T/A... loved that color combo!!!!! The red wheels on the rendering really set off the screaming chicken... cool choice!!!!!!!!

[jeff s]

here's some other versions

[G-Body]

Nice to see a poncho being built but have to be honest im not feeling any of those colors! maybe a subtle color the car it selfs seems to make the statement maybe a color that compliments that attitude!

[O'Neall]

I don't care for the white/red/blue... looks live a Revel model car or something. :lol:

Of those you've shown, I still like the white/red best. But there's tons of color combos out there that would look great on it.

[jeff s]

Just a sampling of the 30.
I'm leaning towards the white w/ red

[olds87]

I will go with white and red.

[rockatanski]

that white and red looks clean id go with that if i were you.

[redsand]

Why don't you try this?

[dave96dcm]

I like the white and red the best with the red centers on the wheels.

[ZVT]

Definetly the white and red wheels it just make the car... Or go red with a white wheel that works too....

[COYBILT]

white with red wheels, Thats my comment on it jeff.

[frankenstang]

I think we have him convinced to do the White/red thing. It's coming back to the shop soon and I'm dying to tear into it.

[01somta]

White/Red hands down. :thumbsup:

[SpeedRacer]

Another vote for white w/ red wheels and eagle :thumbsup:

[redfire69]

I vote for the white/red. Here's my 80 in sunset orange metallic - Ron

[jeff s]

It's gonna be white with the red bird and wheel centers.
The Air Ride shockwaves arrived Thursday, the Hard annodized Baer Monoblocks and rotors are shipping today.
Here's a shot of the Schwartz 2nd Gen F Body full chassis on the jig.

[tyoneal]

It's gonna be white with the red bird and wheel centers.
The Air Ride shockwaves arrived Thursday, the Hard annodized Baer Monoblocks and rotors are shipping today.
Here's a shot of the chassis on the jig.
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Jeff:

Since the '80 Model had 1 Turbo, and yours will have TWO, you ought to do something subtle, and put a Matching, "Turbo Bulge", on the other side of the hood of your car.

It would only be noticed by the few people who really knew that model, and it would be a very logical thing to do as well.

When someone sees, "One Bulge", they think (If it is stock), "Piece of cake, I'll blow this thing off the road".

Soon word gets around, "One Bulge is ok, Two Bulges, UH OH!, Crap!, I'm Screwed!"

Thoughts?

Ty O'Neal

BTW: Your chassis looks great. I was making some mental notes conserning our phone conversation.

[jeff s]

Yea, Parkhurst and Pfaff suggested that too. Not sure if i want to spend the man hours and delay the project on a non performance added item.
Thanks

[COYBILT]

jesus jeff what are you doing up this late. JK keep up the good work and are you making billet hinges for the early a bodies? I heard you were working on them.

[jeff s]

jesus jeff what are you doing up this late. JK keep up the good work and are you making billet hinges for the early a bodies? I heard you were working on them.
I dunno, can't sleep?
Stainless steel not Aluminum, working on 70's now, maybe 60's later.
Thanks

[COYBILT]

I dunno, can't sleep?
Stainless steel not Aluminum, working on 70's now, maybe 60's later.
Thanks


Could you make me a set of stainless hinges? I could send you my old hinges for mock up.

[jeff s]

PM sent

[COYBILT]

just got it, Sorry Jeff.

[jeff s]

After seeing the awesome Forgeline wheels Frank designed on the 69TA at SEMA, I was thinking of using them on this. They're patterned after the wider 8" WS6 Snow flakes of 78-81. These are 19's. Any comments?

[COYBILT]

I would say go for it jeff, they seemed to spark my interest at the SEMA.
It would have that updated modern look while still looking very pontiac.

[redfire69]

Nice! Are those available on the market? They kinda look like the BRE rims...

Ron

[jeff s]

BRE wheels from Year One are welded together 18" by Bonspeed.
These are 3 piece forged modular in 19" only by Forgeline.
Both patterned after the WS6 snowflake.

[redfire69]

BRE wheels from Year One are welded together 18" by Bonspeed.
These are 3 piece forged modular in 19" only by Forgeline.
Both patterned after the WS6 snowflake.

And double the price! Thanks for the info though. I see there is no comparison betw the two...

Ron

[jeff s]

And double the price! Thanks for the info though. I see there is no comparison betw the two...

Ron
18x12 BRE vs 19x12 FL is about 40% more.
Of course if you scrape a curb you can get a new modular rim half for a couple hundred instead of buying another wheel at $899.

[jeff s]

The second gen F body full chassis is complete and nearly assembled.
Did I mention, I love Texas cars?

[frankenstang]

That thing is clean underneath. I can't wait to get this one going.

[syborg tt]

The second gen F body full chassis is complete and nearly assembled.
Did I mention, I love Texas cars?

got any pics of the chassis for us 2nd gen guy's ??

[jeff s]

got any pics of the chassis for us 2nd gen guy's ??
Marty,
The chassis pic is two threads up
Jeff

[syborg tt]

Marty,
The chassis pic is two threads up
Jeff

Yep but it's just one picture.

you know me - i need more

[jeff s]

Mini tubs in. We test fit the Bowler 4L85E on Monday, clears the tunnel with no problem. Most metal work is done with exception of firewall and modifying window openings for the flush mounted glass. Ordered the TA3p forgelines today, 19x9, 19x12.5
Thanks

[jeff s]

The Forged LS* pistons came today.

[wiedemab]

Am I seeing correctly that the upper bars converge rearward?

[Bowtieracing]

The Forged LS9 pistons came today.


What:wow: Do you mean at you have access on new coming ZR1 / LS9 parts allready??????????

[jeff s]

oops.....

[camaro_kyle]

What:wow: Do you mean at you have access on new coming ZR1 / LS9 parts allready??????????

No . . . f*cking . . . way!?!?!

You, sir, are my hero.

[jst8a5.0]

Go run and hide BAN3:_paranoid

[frankenstang]

Ancient Chinese secret huh? The rear link bars are only an illusion. Do not believe your eyes.


There's a reason you can't see the full pic of the rear. :unibrow:

[takid455]

how much modification of the body is needed to fit the frame? I see you retain the original rear frame rails. Will you be using the stock shock mount locations in the rear?

I had a similar idea of doing a chassis for second gens when I was in college, but decided that integrate the frame into the body would yield a stronger application since the body is designed as a structural member being a subframe platform. However your frame seems to be 'slightly' more rigid than what GM had designed. Great work in any event. Will this frame work on all second gens are just 75-81 as the 70-74's have a narrower subframe b/c they did not have cats yet.

[frankenstang]

No body mods to make the frame fit the car. If you wish to min-tub to get 12.5 inch wheels back there, no problem. The shock mounts are part of the chassis and use a coil over or an Air-Ride setup. Jeff's T/A will use the Air-Ride on all 4 corners. With this design, you retain the ability to use the stock fuel tank. I will have to ask him about the narrower subframe issue on the 70-74 cars.

[jeff s]

Will fit all 1970-1981. We do not use stock shock mounts.
Dedicated web page for this project:
www.schwartzperformance.com/TTtransam.htm

[tyoneal]

Jeff:

I really like your chassis, and the Trans Am you are building.

If someone wanted too do away with the subframes altogether and sit the body directly onto the chassis to lower the center of gravity as much as possible, it that something you could do?

If so, do you think it would have a big effect on the handling of the car?

Put another way:
(I guess channeling would be the right term. Say you wanted to have 5.0 inches of clearance for running at the track and from the side you didn't see the frame rails/Tubes.)

What would be involved in doing this other than removing the original frame rails and redoing the floor?

Have you done this, and what effect did it have on the car?

Thanks,

Ty

[jeff s]

Ty, What we're doing is creating a stiffer, stronger foundation to attach your suspesion to. No matter how good a subframe, the floor still flexes at it's attachment points. With a full frame there are more attachment points and the load gets spread over a wider area, less flex, better. We designed it to not cut the floor as that doesn't fit everyone's capabilities or budget.
As far as channeling the body over the chassis, There is some advantage due to lowering the CG. OUr chassis could be welded into slots cut in the floor.
If the body is too low on the chassis then one needs to add humps on the top of the fenders, and the wheel wells need to be raised, like Bob J Cuda, so the tires dont hit. To do all this cost's a lot of money for a tiny benefit. Happy to do it for the right customer.
Jeff

[jeff s]

Finally got around to setting up a dedicated page: http://www.schwartzperformance.com/TTtransam.htm
This car will hit the street early this summer and serve as a demonstrator for the chassis, engine, brake, and other products we have and sell.

[syborg tt]

Jeff - do you have your chassis prices anywhere on your site ??

[frankenstang]

Prices are too LOW to advertise!!!!!!!

Seriously though, he prefers to quote over the phone for some reason. Something about good customer service? :thumbsup:

[jeff s]

Here's some more pics.
Test fitting flush mount flares from Year One. 19" Forgeline wheels. Minitubbed, marker lights and door locks shaved, etc. I'll start assembling the twin turbo 6.9L LS9 in a week or 2 as all the machining is now completed.

[jeff s]

Fender vent mods

[jeff s]

final blocking of hood.

[COYBILT]

IS this car going to be at SEMA? If so, were going out after SEMA and doing a little comparo test. GOAT vs Trans am

[frankenstang]

we tried brainstorming a cheap way of adding a mirror image of the bulge on the hood. That would have looked SOOOO bitchen. Just another idea that was too hard to pull off.

[jeff s]

No SEMA.

[jeff s]

Here's some pics I took yesterday. It's rolling on the new Schwartz 2nd Gen F body full frame. The PPG Schwartz White Lighting is so white it makes my new GMC Duramax truck look gray.
It's gonna make it's public debut at Detroit Autorama.
Twin Turbo stoked LS9 powered.

[redfire69]

Looks great! Love those wheels and stance...

[72blackbird]

Jeff,
The car looks great! You may have covered it somewhere else, but what brand/ size rubber are you guys going with?

Geno

[lil427z]

color is first class:thumbsup: .
rick k:woot: :cheers:

[jeff s]

Jeff,
The car looks great! You may have covered it somewhere else, but what brand/ size rubber are you guys going with?

Geno

345x30ZR19 and 275x35ZR19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2

[jeff s]

Here's the one off hood bird we did.



Thanks

[lil427z]

jeff did you pay for that.
lol rick k:woot: :woot: :thumbsup:

[tgvettes]

very nice bird Jeff. Is it done soon? Can't wait to see this car all done.

Tonny

[jeff s]

jeff did you pay for that.
lol rick k:woot: :woot: :thumbsup:
Paid Dearly.

Target completion is early 2009,
But, after 3 customer cars, the 71 Cutlass LSX455, 65 LeMans TT 389 and 67 Camaro Convert LS3.

[lil427z]

jeff that is first class.
thanks rick k:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[jeff s]

Thanks, not much progress on this one, due to customer commitments.
I hope to assy the LS9 engine in a couple weeks.

[jeff s]

Ran into some issues with the engine, had to change rods and re-balance the rotating assembly. The engine parts will be ready to assemble this week.
I'll post pics of the oil squirter equipped block soon.

[jeff s]

This Schwartz project's webpage has been updated with the latest pics.
http://www.schwartzperformance.com/projects.aspx?projectid=13

Thanks

[tyoneal]

This Schwartz project's webpage has been updated with the latest pics.
http://www.schwartzperformance.com/projects.aspx?projectid=13

Thanks

Jeff:

Your car is really looking good. The new design for the Hood Bird looks great, I was wondering how you were going to do that.:thumbsup:

Keep post pictures, and when you can give us some Chassis and Suspension specs. Engine specs and performance numbers, and some handling numbers when you can get those done. I bet it will be quite impressive.:yes:

Any Idea how much it will weigh when you are done? The 1979 T/A I had I think came in at 3800 pounds or so. I'm sorry I sold it.

I saw one a couple of weeks ago and took a look in the back seat.

1)I must of been REAL skinny, and my Dates Really small, because with a backseat that size, I would bet it would be a definite source of "Safe Sex", now.

or

2) I guess I had my mind on other things at the time and didn't notice, or being in the sun all these years, it just shrunk like a New Cotton T-Shirt washed in hot water.

I vote for the second one.:unibrow:

Thanks,

Ty

[jeff s]

Ty,
Since my 1003 hp Ultima GTR is 2300 lbs and kinda bare bones, this car is not going to be the lightest. We're doing a lot of sound deadening, stereo, etc. And I got my hands on a prototype Iron LS9 block (complete with oil squirters and bigger head bolts /studs) which all adds some weight. The chassis takes weight out of the car. I hope it ends up lighter than stock in the end, but I'm shooting for a lot more hp than my GTR, so it shouldnt be a problem.
The chassis geometry is nearly the same as all the 14 other chassis we offer. I would expect the same 1.08 lat g as we got with Randy Johnson's Chevelle which won the Car Craft Street Machine of the Year perfomance test competition, or slightly better. We always test our finished cars. BTW the Cutlass is near completion, since it was a running driving car when we started we did before testing.
The back seat, yea, LOL.
Here's a pic w/ T76's

[jeff s]

still working on tuning the engine

[10Seconds]

Any work on this one? I would love some info on how the flush mounted glass is going in with the curved rear window on this model and what you are doing to make it work. I have been thinking of the same on my 78.

[frankenstang]

Car's in a holding pattern right now. It's painted and the engine is built. He has to get the Tempest done before Power Tour, so that's taking priority at the moment.

[jeff s]

This project is back to moving forward. Updated pics are here:

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/projects.aspx?projectid=13

[WSSix]

Hell yeah! I want to see this car done. Glad you're back on with the build Jeff. Good luck!

[Jr]

What kind of power is that motor making? Also, what cam are you using?

[jeff s]

What kind of power is that motor making? Also, what cam are you using?

700 to 1200 hp depending on boost level. Custom grind hyd roller camshaft.

[jeff s]

Fabbing the turbo piping and intercoolers for the car is next.

[jeff s]

to be finished soon.

[brans72]

I was reading about this car today in a old mag saying what happen to it odd huh? So can I ask why you only shaved 1/2 firewall? Brandon

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Looking good Jeff

[Schwartz Perf]

We've been working after-hours on this for the past few weeks. There are so many little details at the final stages of a build.

We made a big push last night to send the TransAm to compete in the Pro Builder Shootout at the CAR CRAFT Summer Nationals. We're excited and flattered to be competing against some great builders and cars from around the country. We would really appreciate your support (read: votes)! :)

You can vote online here: http://www.carcraft.com/summer_nationals/2012/pro_builder_shootout/index.html
Voting starts tomorrow (Friday) at 9am and goes until 12pm (noon) on Sunday.

Now, on to the pics!

Fitted our amazing STACK dash unit with a few other STACK gauges in a custom turn-polished dash (with matching door cards and shifter plate):
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7604750130_73587bc78a_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604750130/)
DSCN9625 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604750130/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr
Finishing up the YearOne interior and tightening all the fittings in the bay:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8149/7604755530_9a598f62c1_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604755530/)
DSCN9634 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604755530/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr

Jeff Schwartz closing the hood finally!
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7604764868_9a546d2fe3_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604764868/)
DSCN9637 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604764868/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr

Painstakingly applied the obligatory Schwartz Performance windshield banner:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8019/7604758692_338434d614_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604758692/)
DSCN9644 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604758692/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr

Check out the intake tube Jeff designed... Both intercoolers feed into each end of this. To help the air make the sharp upward turn, Jeff used two 90-degree Vibrant pieces (cut down to about 45), which you can see inside:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8003/7604766512_327b3fc1f5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604766512/)
DSCN9627 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604766512/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7251/7604752278_a71fcff38a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604752278/)
DSCN9628 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604752278/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr

And finally, the 1010hp twin-turbo LS9 engine. We've played around with a few intake options and finally deciding to fabricate our own. We're still going to powdercoat all the piping. Everything will be black for a simple OEM style. The whole feel/vibe of this car is understated style, luxury and performance.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7272/7604762126_cfb821e4c4_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604762126/)
DSCN9652 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7604762126/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr

Don't forget to vote for us tomorrow after 9am! http://www.carcraft.com/summer_nationals/2012/pro_builder_shootout/index.html

[WSSix]

Very nice! I'm so glad this one is finally getting finished.

[jr2226]

Love the clean stock look . But what a beast. Awesome car.

[89 RS]

Looking sweet! Can't wait to see it finished. :thumbsup:

[Schwartz Perf]

Thanks! We could really use your vote! We're up against some great competition.

http://www.carcraft.com/summer_nationals/2012/pro_builder_shootout/index.html

[Schwartz Perf]

Tiny update, but we got the intercooler piping back from powdercoating. Jeff decided to go with satin black.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8422/7845265906_0072b6b96a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7845265906/)
Powdercoated Intake piping (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7845265906/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/7845266242_2186d82269_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7845266242/)
Powdercoated Intake piping (http://www.flickr.com/photos/schwartzperf/7845266242/) by Schwartz Performance (http://www.flickr.com/people/schwartzperf/), on Flickr

[Jr]

Are these manifolds custom? They don't look like the same manifold on the altima.

[Schwartz Perf]

Are these manifolds custom? They don't look like the same manifold on the Ultima.

Yes, custom. Made from 4" aluminum tubing.

[jeff s]

Shot for Car Craft magazine last weekend.

[Ketzer]

Love how the red pops! also love how under the hood is all business.



Jeff-

[waynieZ]

The car looks great. I see you went with an intake elbow, do you know how many HP it will support? Nice work.

[WSSix]

Nice! Love how low it is but the wheels are right out there with the body lines. Have you had a chance to get out and drive the car yet?

[fleetus macmullitz]

Those T/A's have g-machine in their DNA. :cool:

[groovyjay]

Only thing i'd change is the owners name on the title. :D

[jeff s]

We'll chassis dyno and further tune the EFI next week.
Made over 1000 on the engine dyno. Packaging was a challenge we needed a slight elbow on the intake side to fit everything. Not sure if that'll cost any hp. I've driven it around the block a couple times, before the roads were salted up.
Thanks

[syborg tt]

looks awesome !!

You need to post up pics of the cuda/challaenger full frame build

[jeff s]

On chassis dyno last Sunday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a6R6T43f0g

[69x22]

Nice #s on the dyno beautiful car.

[frankenstang]

Jeff's latest attention whore is up at the Milwaukee World of Wheels show this weekend. The car is amazing in person. Look for it in the Late Model Throttle booth. Those guys did a great job tuning the car to more than 1000 horsepower using 108 octane at the wheels. Made almost 900 on 93 pump gas!