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race-rodz
06-16-2005, 11:04 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: just saw the pic of the svt 65 stang project :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ...... and the light bulb turned on. i just happen to have a 1964 1/2 mustang project that i am updating the suspension/brakes/steering to late model sn95 parts.... and i just happen to have the shell from the 96 cobra that i robbed all the parts off of. im sure you see where im going with this. im also sure everybody in here can relate to the "since im all ready this far... i may as well" deal.
oh well its just more time and more money....right?
Yep, SN65's project kicks ass. What a great addition to site. :thumbsup:
http://www.lateral-g.net/members/julian (http://www.lateral-g.net/members/julian/)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: just saw the pic of the svt 65 stang project :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ...... and the light bulb turned on. i just happen to have a 1964 1/2 mustang project that i am updating the suspension/brakes/steering to late model sn95 parts.... and i just happen to have the shell from the 96 cobra that i robbed all the parts off of. im sure you see where im going with this. im also sure everybody in here can relate to the "since im all ready this far... i may as well" deal.
oh well its just more time and more money....right?
Hi RR,
Thanks for the kind words and good luck with your project. Drop me a line if you need any help.
Before you start, I should say that this has taken a LOT more time and effort than we originally thought. I was a bit optomistic on the time it would take at the start. I figured 2 guys owrking full time could knock it out in about 3 months. Afterall, how tough could it be???
Well... 12 months and 2,500 man hours later, we are just about complete.
If you do decide to go ahead, I will be happy to help you avoid some of the major issues we had. Also, having access to a fram rack and laser measuring system helps. :-)
If you want to get a feel for all involved, follow the link below.... If you dare. :unibrow:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134855&page=1&pp=25
Also, we would be happy to help you build one just like it. We can do all the dirty grunt / structural / body / paint work and you can do all the fun assembly installation work. If you are interested, just give us a call at 630-762-0387. Just for grins I have attached a current photo of our shop. Please note that this an actual working bodyshop, not American Hot Rod. :-)
Bob
RussMS
06-17-2005, 07:53 AM
WOW! :eek: I can't wait to see this one when its finished.
One heck of a project there.
MaxHarvard
06-17-2005, 08:32 AM
Dang, nice man... i wish i had those kind of skills... or money to pay someone with skills... hehe :D
907rs
06-17-2005, 08:59 AM
That car is awesome!!! :thumbsup:
It's amazing the lengths that we enthusiast go to build something that at one time was just an idea.
Keep us updated, Bob.
Ricochet
06-17-2005, 10:40 AM
Bob-
Glad to see you come aboard!! Car is amzing! Been following the build prior to you coming here. Fabrication & ingenuity is unbelievable. Keep us posted! :thumbsup:
jonny51
06-17-2005, 10:49 AM
Welcome aboard Bob!That is one beautiful car :thumbsup:
Musclerodz
06-17-2005, 12:02 PM
Welcome. I have been following your build up for a long time over at Corner Carvers. Very impressed with the level of work being done.
Mike
camcojb
06-17-2005, 01:13 PM
Yep, that is a very trick project. Amazing car! :thumbsup:
Jody
race-rodz
06-17-2005, 02:08 PM
well i been doing a bunch of measuring between the 2 cars.... and i think this project is a "go". well it will be a "go" just as soon as my "other" personal project is finished. there are a lot of "issues" with the 64 1/2 that could be solved by doing this. my biggest problem with the car is the lack of structural integrity, mainly in the front end. the car had a 416" windsor/5spd, 17x9's, all the trick shebly style suspension.
to give you an idea of how much an early mustang flexes, the first time i auto-xed the car, it twisted up so bad it cracked the windsheild. my fault for attempting to do it before building frame connectors. after the frame connectors... i noticed losts of "flexing" in the shocktowers, no problem, built a strut tower brace, triangulated to the firewall. the car was a million times better to drive. the next weak link, is where the firewall meets the inner fenders..... ripped loose, frame rails tweaked. this is the point where the car got parked and i started on my '34.
so this brings me to this option. yeah i do realize how much labor is involved. but when you compare that to the saftey issues that i would have everytime i bandaid the car back together... i think it is well worthwhile. the car has sentimental attachments... so i cant ever get rid of it. i would just like to be able to enjoy the car.... and i see this as being the best overall way to accomplish the goal.
anyway... thanks for the extra info.... if i run into any major hurdles, i just might give ya a call.
Steve1968LS2
06-17-2005, 02:12 PM
Hi RR,
Thanks for the kind words and good luck with your project. Drop me a line if you need any help.
Before you start, I should say that this has taken a LOT more time and effort than we originally thought. I was a bit optomistic on the time it would take at the start. I figured 2 guys owrking full time could knock it out in about 3 months. Afterall, how tough could it be???
Well... 12 months and 2,500 man hours later, we are just about complete.
If you do decide to go ahead, I will be happy to help you avoid some of the major issues we had. Also, having access to a fram rack and laser measuring system helps. :-)
If you want to get a feel for all involved, follow the link below.... If you dare. :unibrow:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134855&page=1&pp=25
Also, we would be happy to help you build one just like it. We can do all the dirty grunt / structural / body / paint work and you can do all the fun assembly installation work. If you are interested, just give us a call at 630-762-0387. Just for grins I have attached a current photo of our shop. Please note that this an actual working bodyshop, not American Hot Rod. :-)
Bob
Damn nice car!! When do you think it will be done and where are you located?
That is the exact car I am currently look to find for a feature in the mag.. Very well done so far..
It's not American Hot Rod? You mean everyone doesn't go around acting like asses and injecting drama instead of being professionals???? :willy:
Steve, I agree 100%, Wayne and Bob's project would be an awesome magazine feature. :thumbsup:
Hi All,
Thank you all for the kind words. It is gratifying for us to here such glowing comments from dedicated, hard core hobbiest as yourselves.
Below is a comment I made in regard to the current restomoding trend. You can read the whole article on the VERY nice project page set up by our host. I am a bit currious to see if you agree or disagree.
...Unlike the typical approach employed there days, we decided that there has to be a better way to achieve our goal than retrofitting today’s technology into a 40 year old chassis. We feel that the results are always a compromise of one kind or another. Also, the 40 year old chassis was constructed with much weaker materials than today’s designs. Add to that the inherent loss of structural material due to corrosion that occurs over the years (much of which is hidden between all the original factory spot welds and lap joints) and the result is a weak chassis. These older chassis (due to their age / design) more often than not deliver less than desirable ride quality. Even joints and panels that look perfectly acceptable after media blasting can hide rather extensive corrosion that will eventually find its way back to the surface, ruining an otherwise pristine classic ride. As they say “rust never sleeps”. You can hide it and slow it down, but you can never stop it....
So... What do you think? Am I right in making the above comment, or not???
Bob
well i been doing a bunch of measuring between the 2 cars.... and i think this project is a "go". well it will be a "go" just as soon as my "other" personal project is finished. there are a lot of "issues" with the 64 1/2 that could be solved by doing this. my biggest problem with the car is the lack of structural integrity, mainly in the front end. the car had a 416" windsor/5spd, 17x9's, all the trick shebly style suspension.
to give you an idea of how much an early mustang flexes, the first time i auto-xed the car, it twisted up so bad it cracked the windsheild. my fault for attempting to do it before building frame connectors. after the frame connectors... i noticed losts of "flexing" in the shocktowers, no problem, built a strut tower brace, triangulated to the firewall. the car was a million times better to drive. the next weak link, is where the firewall meets the inner fenders..... ripped loose, frame rails tweaked. this is the point where the car got parked and i started on my '34.
so this brings me to this option. yeah i do realize how much labor is involved. but when you compare that to the saftey issues that i would have everytime i bandaid the car back together... i think it is well worthwhile. the car has sentimental attachments... so i cant ever get rid of it. i would just like to be able to enjoy the car.... and i see this as being the best overall way to accomplish the goal.
anyway... thanks for the extra info.... if i run into any major hurdles, i just might give ya a call.
Hi RR,
Tip #1...
To get the cars to mate properly, you are going to have to fabricate a set of tapered "rails" that will fit between the 65 rocker panels and the SN95 chassis. If I remember correctly, we fabricated some 1 1/8" x 6" x 10gage rectangular tubes that tappered down from the 1 1/8" at one end to 15/16" at the other.
Measure and calculate this a few different times before you make any cuts. I say this because the tolerances on the 65 are quite a bit "looser" than that on the SN95. We had to run over these calculations a few times before we were sure we had it right.
Also, when you are ready to make the cuts, I will walk you through the procedure so you will not leave to much or remove to much material. We were so cautious when making these first cuts that we were always cutting and fitting over and over again. And even when we thought we were being extreamly cautious in what material we removed, we went and removed material that we had to add back in later.
So....
Good luck.
Bob
Damn nice car!! When do you think it will be done and where are you located?
That is the exact car I am currently look to find for a feature in the mag.. Very well done so far..
It's not American Hot Rod? You mean everyone doesn't go around acting like asses and injecting drama instead of being professionals???? :willy:
Hi S,
Well... As far as being "done"... Is any project ever really finished? :P
We were shooting for the end of June, but that deadline is quickly slipping away. We were really hopeing to show it at the July Good Guy's show, but that is going to be hit and miss at this point. We wanted to show this car along with other builders projects and see how it stacked up. There is a really fine ride built by the Ring brothers and we were wanting to see how the Julian brothers ranked in comparison. Also, we may be a bit out of our minds, insain, nuts, eytc... but we think we have a shot at street machine of the year.
But that dream is fading fast as we have about 6 weeks worth of hard work and only 3 to the show.
Sigh.....
Our shop is located in St Charles, IL. We have restored classics and also built our share of customs. We recently restored a 69 GT350 that took concorse "gold" at Ford nationals last fall.
Sometimes I think we are the best kept secret in the car business. We do excellent work, we charge fair prices, we take no shortcuts and we only know how to do things the right way. But, there are so many "big" names in the market that it is tough for small shops like ours to get a break.
Anyway, you can reach either Wayne or myself at 630-762-0387.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Bob
race-rodz
06-18-2005, 02:21 PM
there are so many "big" names in the market that it is tough for small shops like ours to get a break.
i hear that!!!
btw...thanks for the tips, this project is gonna be on hold for a couple months as i get my tube chassis '34 done, but over the winter i will be neck deep in mustang.
Ummgawa
06-18-2005, 02:36 PM
Awesome Car and inspiring Effort! Welcome to the best site on the net.
Hi All,
I noticed that there are a few artists that frequent this site. I dabble a little bit myself.
I have attached a few drawings just for giggles. They are all hand drawn using Prizmacolor colored pencils.
Not to bad for a hack. :unibrow:
Bob
Hooligan
06-20-2005, 08:25 PM
:hail: :hail: :hail:
Those rock.
Hi All,
All the items up for auction on e-bay closed last night.
The entire 03 interior went for $1,076. It looks like someone got a pretty good deal.
Someone bought the 65 rear bumper for $1.25 and after the auction declined the purchase because the bumper was sand blasted ready for paint or re-chroming. All of that was stated in the text, but I guess they did not read it until after the auction was over.
Other items of interest were....
The 03 doors went for about $65 each.
The used clutch, PP, FW and input shaft went for $90.
The Cobra oil cooler went for $125.
The Cobra front control arms and coil springs went for $165.
The Cobra mirrors went for $130.
The Cobra tail lights went for $115.
All in all I generated about $3,700 for the project. This will allow us to hire a full time helper to get this project moving over the next 3 weeks.
And, we still have a bunch of stuff to auction off.
We should get a LOT accomplished next week. Wish us luck.
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
Hi All,
Let the blocking begin. :-)
After a day of blocking, this is what we have accomplished. Both quarters. Sides and top.
WoHoo!!!
Now on to the roof and trunk.
Here is a photo of the collision center from the outside (for anyone who is a bit curious).
Also, here are some photos of the battery cable run. We are pretty much set except for the final location of the battery box. We just need to find a location that will clear the gas tank and any existing wiring. Sounds like a snap, but I am sure that this will give us a bit of hartburn before it is all over.
Also, when we ran the chassis grounds, we tied a couple of seperate of items together and grounded them with one terminal. I hope this dosen't end up biting me in the butt. A ground is a ground is a ground.
Right???
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
That's just amazing. :hail:
Hi All,
Into the booth we go.
Wayne finished the blocking of the quarters, roof, etc...
Here are some photos of the car in the booth after it was primed.
Now we will mount the doors, fenders, trunk, hood, front end, etc... and go through the same priming and blocking procedure.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
Looks like your getting closer.
VERY NICE! :hail:
race-rodz
06-30-2005, 07:27 PM
i really like the overly crisp body lines around the flares...just like the donor car had.
Hi All,
For the 4th, my wife and I are heading up to the great white north. We have a summer home up near Spooner WI (near the nose).
You all have a great holiday. See you when I get back on Wed.
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
Hi All,
The 4th of July weekend was pretty much a bust, at least as far as the car goes.
While all of you were busy with barbeques, picnics, parties, family, friends and of course fireworks, I was up in Wisconsin opening up the summer cottage. For those who have never done such a thing, it is often rather eventful. You never know quite what to expect. Past experience has taught me to be prepared anything. For example, I have had to deal with frozen plumbing, trees falling on the driveway and the house, malfunctioning yard equipment, shattered toilets, renegade mice, carpenter ants, wild turkeys, deer, bear and bats.
So… While you were all having a wonderful time I was fixing this year’s problem, namely pier crushed by ice. All I had to do was lift the wet end of the pier a scant 5 feet and slide the pier supports back into place. An easy task if you have any type of jack, which of course, I was sorely lacking. To make a long story short, I finally elevated the pier using tactics that the ancient Egyptians would have been proud of.
We are moving along nicely at this point, but nothing worthy of a photo. After all, how many photos can you show of sanded primer? Also, as we get closer to the completion, we have decided to only show detail shots. We are going to save the long overall shots for the big finish later this month.
With that said, I am off to work. Tomorrow, I will post some detail photos of the velocity tube installation.
Catch ya’ll l8r.
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
Steve Chryssos
07-07-2005, 12:35 PM
Also, as we get closer to the completion, we have decided to only show detail shots. We are going to save the long overall shots for the big finish later this month.
Well that's just plain cruel! Great looking car. I can't get over how well the late model flares look on the ol' bodystyle. Awesome work!
Hi All,
We are getting down to crunch time here and are looking for additional hands.
So...
If you live in the St Charles, IL area. If you are really into mustangs. If you are mechanically inclined (or have body working skills). If you are not afraid of hard work, etc, etc, etc....
Send me an e-mail at
[email protected]
Bob
Hi All,
I am having a real tough time deciding on the seats to use (if you remember, the Cobra seats sat about 2" to high).
I have considered Recaro, Sparco, Flow Fit, Corbeau, etc...
There are so many choices out there that I am having trouble making up my mind. Also, I have never planted my butt in any of these seats. This makes the decision very difficult at best.
As far as requirements go, I want seats that look, feel and fit similar to the 03 Cobra seats. I would really like them to be leather with suede inserts, but all leather will suffice. Electric controls are not mandatory, but they would be nice if I can keep the seat 2” shorter than the originals. The seats must be useable with a 4 point harness. And I also need the seats to fold forward (for access to the rear).
The seats need to be a compromise of performance and comfort (If they are not comfortable, I will never complete the power tour next year). They need to accommodate butts of all sizes (you never know who is going to end up driving or riding).
The Sparco Milano, Recaro LXF, Cobra Misano L, Corbeau legacy, etc... all look pretty good, but all I have to go on are the looks.
So... Your input would be greatly appreciated.
Bob
IMO, the seats you listed have a very specific feel to each of them. You should really try sitting in them before buying. It's not an easy decision - even when you have them all to try out.
67Fastback
07-12-2005, 07:14 AM
i really like the overly crisp body lines around the flares...just like the donor car had.
I noticed the exact same thing - that looks very good. Better than a panel held on by adhesive and also better than a completely smoothed in piece. Very cool.
I have a 67 and an Eleanor kit that I have been on the fence about installing or selling. Im liking the flares though. Perhaps I will sell part of the kit and mix it up a little :)
Jeff
Hi All,
What a rush. Lately I don't know if I am coming or going.
Anyway....
Wayne has been busy solving body fitment issues. Here are a couple of shots. The first is of Wayne hard at work. He is contemplating the gaps. If you listen closely you can hear the buzz as he thinks about the best way to even out all these inconsistent gaps. He has had to weld extensions on to some panels while trimming back others.
Shush. Be very quiet. We better move on before we disturb him. :-)
Next is a photo of what the gaps look like before Wayne works his magic. Compare that to the 4th shot showing the repaired gaps on the opposite side of the car.
Last we have a shot of the car starting to go together for final bodywork. We are currently fitting / clearancing the hood (stock 65 with a bulge for the massive blown 4.6)
Wish I could go into more detail, but I really have to get back to work.
Catch ya'll later.
Bob
907rs
07-13-2005, 02:18 PM
Tight gaps are good! :D
How much of a bulge will the hood need?
Ummgawa
07-13-2005, 06:58 PM
Hu hu hu huhu huuu Scott said bulge...hu huu hhuuu
race-rodz
07-13-2005, 07:11 PM
please tell me the merc(background) is awaiting its own svt donor vehicle
please tell me the merc(background) is awaiting its own svt donor vehicle
Hi RR,
Actually I don't know what the owner is going to drop in. We are only finishing the bodywork on that one. The owner started the project, got it to this point and realized it was going to be a bit over his head. It should be a cool car when finished.
Bob
How much of a bulge will the hood need?
Hi X,
To be honest, we won't know until we clearance the hood. The blown 4.6 is rather large. The bulge could be anywhere from 1/2" to 4". If I were to guess I would say that the bulge is going to be about 1" or so.
How much clearance should we alow for engine movment? I was thinking that if we had 1/4" to 1/2" we would be fine, but my brother says that the engine could move as much as 1/2". If he is right we would need about 3/4" around all components to make sure the engine does not hit when it tourqes over.
What do you think???
Bob
Tight gaps are good! :D
Hi 9,
Tight is nice, but consistant is the key.
When all is said and done, this is one of if not THE key area when building any project car. Fit is critical.
I have seen so many cars that would have been breathtaking if they had spent more time on the fit. It is by far the most time consuming, back breaking, tedious and un-glorified aspect of any build, but it is what separated the men from the boys.
Who in their right mind would assemble and dissassemble a car over and over and over and over again just to get the gaps and fit perfect. Because, if done right, when finished, no one should notice. They should see the color, the finish, the engine, the interior, the wheels, etc, etc, etc...
If they notice the gaps and fit it is most likly because they rushed through this phase and they stand out like a sore thumb.
Bob
Musclerodz
07-14-2005, 10:33 AM
I would allow 3/4" to 1" for movement purposes. Between engine movement, chassis flex, (if you have any at all), it will move some. I would rather be safe then sorry.
Mike
Hi All,
Here is our current problem
No the problem isn't Wayne. The problem is the width of the front track.
If we leave things exactly as they are, we will end up with a front wheel flares that stick out about 2 1/4", while the flares on the back stick out about 2". If we do this the car will have a rather strange appearance where the front track looks wider than the rear. To resolve this issue we need to shift the front wheels inboard about 1". This will give us a 2" rear and 1 1/2" front flare, which should look more appealing. We were giving consideration to resolving this issue by using front and rear wheels with different backspacing. We didn't really like this idea because we want the wheels to look identical on all 4 corners and a 1" diff in backspacing would be pretty obvious.
So, we called our friends at Maximum Motorsports and asked them if they could make us a custom lower control arm that would be 1" shorter than stock. They recommended that we use a fox control arm which is 3/4" shorter than the SN95 piece.
Wo Hoo!!!
This will solve a number of issues we were having all across the board.
Well, back to work on the fenders, hood and front end.
Catch ya’ll l8r.
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
67Fastback
07-15-2005, 11:39 AM
Well you could not have changed the backspacing with those wheels anyways. I had a similar issue with the same set of wheels and there is not enough material to machine off the mounting face to get them to shift inward.
Are you concerned with the narrow track width? I know its not a race car, but thats going to put it off-par of the 03/04 cobra chassis. Hopefully the weight difference will help balance that out :)
Jeff
rockdogz
07-15-2005, 12:33 PM
No the problem isn't Wayne.
Hah, Bob you're hilarious!
The only thing better than looking at pics of your awesome project is reading your comments! You're a gifted storyteller... Keep the updates coming!
Thanks,
SNIP...
Are you concerned with the narrow track width? I know its not a race car, but thats going to put it off-par of the 03/04 cobra chassis. Hopefully the weight difference will help balance that out :)
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
Actually, I am not really concerned with narrowing the track. And I will tell you why and you can tell me if I am full of it.
Yes the track at the front will be about 2" narrower than the 03, but (on the other hand) the track will be considerably wider than a 65. Also, the wheel base has been extended 7" which should shift the center of gravity (in relation to the wheels) back quite a bit. I will not know how much until I can actually weigh the beast, but on a stock Cobra the center of the front wheel was right between the 2nd and 3rd cyl. Now the CL of the front wheel is actually in front of the 1st cyl. Ya think that might help a bit with front to back weight distribution???
Bob
Hah, Bob you're hilarious!
The only thing better than looking at pics of your awesome project is reading your comments! You're a gifted storyteller... Keep the updates coming!
Thanks,
Hi RD,
I don't know about "storytelling", but, if you ask Wayne, I think the term "smart a$$" might come up.... Once or twice.... If not more. :yes:
Bob
67Fastback
07-15-2005, 02:16 PM
...pulls out scientific calculator.....scratches head....shrugs....
We went from front track width to front/back weight distribution - I'm definately over my head. :)
Jeff
B Schein
07-15-2005, 02:18 PM
The only thing that will be affected buy using wheels with more back spacing is you scrub radius. All other geometry will stay the same.
Brian
...pulls out scientific calculator.....scratches head....shrugs....
We went from front track width to front/back weight distribution - I'm definately over my head. :)
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
When evaluating the suspension, imagine this as a modified 65 fastback, not a modified 03 Cobra.
That being the case, the differences from stock 65 are....
1) Wider track both front and back (just look at the flares used and you will get a good idea as to how much).
2) McPherson strut front sus with power rack and pinion (not as good as unequal "A" arms, but much better than the 65 stuff especially with the Maximum Motorsports mods).
3) IRS rear (not the best IRS, but much better than the 65 rear especially with the Maximum Motorsports mods).
4) Much, MUCH stiffer chassis.
5) Better weight distribution (the 4.6 sits back farther than the typical Windsor small block).
I hope this helps
Bob
The only thing that will be affected buy using wheels with more back spacing is you scrub radius. All other geometry will stay the same.
Brian
Hi B,
"scrub radius"???
Bob
CAMAROBOY69
07-21-2005, 06:23 AM
Absolutely incredible 65 Mustang!! :hail:
B Schein
07-21-2005, 03:21 PM
When you use a wheel with more back spacing and don’t change the tire or rim size it move the centerline of the wheel in. The scrub radius is the difference in the centerline of the wheel and tire compared to the plane of the ball joint and where they both meet the ground. By moving the wheels in or out you will change the static difference. Less scrub radius= less steering effort since the wheel is actual turning closer to its true centerline. More scrub= more turning effort. That is what I know of scrub radius for now I am no suspension expert but I will begin studding vehicle dynamics this fall In a few more years I can get you a much better answer with the theory and hopefully experience to back it up.
Brian
Hi All,
7-25 update part one…
A lot has transpired since our last real update.
Wayne has been meticulously plodding through all the remaining bodywork. He has spent what seams like endless hours working and reworking everything from the cowl to the rear bumper. He constantly has to point out the reasons to me. A little wave here, a little ripple there, this doesn’t line up quite right, changes to the door effect the contour of the quarter, the body lines that run along the edge of the roof to the trunk are not quite symmetrical, and on and on.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18356
Wayne had to get the doors finished and installed in order to send the car out to the aluminum fabricator. Originally, we were going to have him come to our shop, but he convinced us that he needed the car at his facility to do the job right. The job is to fab up the trim panels that will seal off the top and sides of the dashboard.
I, on the other hand, have been working on mechanical details. The hood latch is almost complete. I am going to remove all the extra material at the back of the bracket after I fit up the front end, grill, hood, etc… I also have located the shock tower brace. I will be able to complete the fabrication of that item after I install the ductwork for the air inlet. I have the welding of the ductwork complete. We just have to have the parts painted to match the blower. We felt that if the paint matches the rest of the engine intake system, it would look like it was supplied by the factory.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18357
I also replaced the lower control arms with the shorter FOX items. You can see the difference in length in the photo below. This solved all the problems with the front wheel / flare clearance issues. We did have to flip flop the caster plates in order to get the correct front end geometry, but other than that, everything went quite well.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18358
While the car is out of our shop, Wayne will be working on the hood. Here is the prelim layout for the bulge.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18359
Here you can see the relief’s we had to cut for under hood clearance.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18360
Continued in part two....
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
Hi All,
7-25 update part two…
Finally, here are some photos of the car as she sits waiting for pick up. Upon return, we should be able to complete the front end and get this baby ready for paint.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18361
Here is a shot of the rear end with the lower valance in place. Note that the bottom edge of the valance runs parallel to both the gas tank and the ground. Also, in order for us to get the flare contures correct, we had to shift the bottom of the quarters out about and inch or so. In order to get the rear valance to fit up properly we had to segment the panel (add two pie shaped filler strips). If I hadn’t said anything, you probably would not have noticed.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18362
Here we have two shots of the finished body (at least from the cowl to the rear bumper).
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18363
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18364
And finally, here are some photos of the interior. The door panels are two that we have used for fit up porposes only. Note how the 03 dash meshes up just right with the 65 door panels. We are going to eliminate the vertical ribs in the center of the door panels and fill that area with a simple padded insert. Maybe we can come up with some embroidery with a SN65 emblem. We are going to use the standard door pulls instead of the pony items. I like the way the standard pulls line up with the angle of the 03 dash.
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18365
http://www.ymrforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18366
That’s all for now.
Catch ya’ll l8r.
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
Musclerodz
07-25-2005, 10:09 AM
The attention to detail you guys are going to is incredible. I can't help but eagerly await the next updates.
Mike
JohnnyGMachine
07-25-2005, 10:35 AM
Bob, all I can say is I think a tear formed in the corner of my eye just looking at the last post of pics!!!! That car is friggin' INCREDIBLE! I'm toying with the idea of putting the 4 cam motor in my 85 Mustang LX Coupe with the 6-speed!
Please, please, please post pics of it when it's done! If I was in the area I'd be down there helpin'! Good luck with finishing her up.
John
Hi All,
Check out this thread...
http://www.fordforums.com.au/printthread.php?t=10529
Bob
*rayman*
07-26-2005, 03:06 AM
Guys, you can thank me for starting that thread over here in oz...
I love your work.
The internet makes the world such a small place in some ways.
I've always loved american cars, had a 66 coupe myself previously. But mustangs and camaro's over here are an expensive hobby...
I was browsing this thread, and saw fordforums.com.au then went 'hang on, thats my thread'... I'm a long time browser here, but not usually a lot to say... i admire, but stay silent :)
Welcome to the site! You should make a post in the new members area introducing yourself and if you have a project...we love pictures!!
Tim
*rayman*
07-27-2005, 04:44 AM
i'm currently looking for another project... I will however show you guys my ute, most of you have probably never seen one of these. Nothing flash, just something different for your eyes. I don't think it deserves it's own thread.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3451/picture0021ad.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0021ad.jpg)
Hi All,
Here is another one...
http://www.dr-mustang.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=81492
Bob
Bob, you guys are everywhere. :thumbsup:
Bob, you guys are everywhere. :thumbsup:
Hi X,
You may be right... Just type in SN65 mustang on any search engine and see what happens. :eek:
I dare you to read them all.
Bob
Smack_talker
07-28-2005, 01:30 PM
Bob/Wayne...awesome job on the 65..like stated eariler 'I wish I had the talent or the money to pay someone like you guys with talent". I traveled thru Illinois on Hot Rod Power Tour, too bad I didnt find this site before so I could have stopped by to see this Mustang in person. My first car was a 65 Mustang coupe and doing a fastback has always been a dream. Cant wait to see it on the cover of every magazine. Does Frieburger know about this car??
Bob/Wayne...awesome job on the 65..like stated eariler 'I wish I had the talent or the money to pay someone like you guys with talent". I traveled thru Illinois on Hot Rod Power Tour, too bad I didnt find this site before so I could have stopped by to see this Mustang in person. My first car was a 65 Mustang coupe and doing a fastback has always been a dream. Cant wait to see it on the cover of every magazine. Does Frieburger know about this car??
Hi ST,
Thank you for the kind words. We wanted to be part of the PT this year, but did not finish in time. :-(
Maybe next year. :-)
As far as Frieburger goes, yes he is aware of the project. They will be doing a feature article when we are done.
You know who we would LOVE to get word to is Jay Leno. We would love to get his feedback on the car. We would love to take him for a ride. We would love to be a guest on the tonight show.
Hey Jay!!! You out there man??? Wanna go for a ride???
Bob
Kris Horton
07-28-2005, 04:46 PM
If you want a translation of the posts on that German board, let me know, I'm fluent in German. :cool:
The little RESPEKT smilies sum it up pretty well though!
Kris
Hi All,
While the car is off at the alum fabricator, Wayne has been working on the hood “bulge”.
Here we have photos of the stock hood with the cutout for engine clearance, Wayne creating the “bulge” by trimming the 03 Cobra roof to the desired shape, the "bulge" in position on the 65 hood, and the “bulge” welded in place. Wayne still needs to seal off the back edge, but the photos gives you a general idea of the finished hood.
Catch ya’ll l8r.
Bob
Come see this WIP at
Julian's Collision Center
http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
hotwheels
07-29-2005, 07:08 PM
that is bad azz man..............love that last picture :hail:
Blue70
07-30-2005, 07:15 AM
I love that you reused the 03 roof material for the buldge :D
It looks real good :thumbsup:
Hi All,
I just registered the domain SN65.com and am getting ready to download the website. It will have a complete history and photos of the build. The site is currently a work in prosess, but I will be updating and tweaking things (I am sure that I will be getting a lot of input from you all) after I get the site on line and running.
Bob
Hi All,
The site appears to be up and running.
http://sn65.com/
I know that we have a lot of work to get the site complete, but we would be greatful if you could please let us know what you think of the overall site design.
Bob
Hi All,
I am still working on the site (getting things organized and downloaded, etc...)
http://sn65.com/SN65%20chronological%20order%2005-08.htm
But, I have downloaded all my photos to date. If you follow the link above, you will see all the images of the hood (as of 9AM today).
Also, we just got the car back from the shop doing the dash modifications and I am really pumped. It looks great, but you can voice your opinions tomorrow after I post the photos.
After I get things all situated at the site, I will be able to post links to the photos just as I have done in the past.
We are getting closer and closer to completion. I can hardly wait to fire this sucker up.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Bob
Steve Chryssos
08-04-2005, 04:43 PM
Site looks great. Very informative. I don't know whether to applaud you guys or call the looney bin and have you locked up. But since it looks like there's light at the end of the tunnel, I guess applause are in order. Nice work.
/Steevo
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Hi All,
First off, let’s take a look at the hood with its first coat of primer.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-05%20(16).jpg
In this photo you can see the 1 1/2" rise at the back of the hood. Note how subtle the "bulge" blends into the hood at the edges. I think this is going to look just fantastic. Everyone in the shop was sitting on a egg crate (behind the hood) looking down its length while they pretended to drive the car. It should look pretty impressive from the cockpit while looking pretty tame from the outside of the car.
I have been watching Wayne work on the hood for the past week (He has over 60 hours in it right now) and I am having trouble believing that it has taken this much time to get it in primer. It looks seamless to me. He spent a lot of time working the transition from the bulge to the hood in an attempt to duplicate the transition from the rear glass to the trunk. Once the car is complete, I imagine that people will only give it a passing glance and say “Nice hood.” While this will probably tick Wayne off (He wishes that people would realize just how much work was involved), I keep telling him that the better he does his job, the less people will notice.
With that said, let’s look at the modified dash.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-05.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-05%20(4).jpg
This is going to look great once we cover the panels in matching vinyl. I really like the way the fabricated panel curves and undulates as it makes its way from one end of the dash to the other. Right now, I could not be happier. I guess we will truly see once it is covered and reinstalled.
Hopefully the pictures will show up just as they always have. For more detailed shots follow the link below.
http://sn65.com/SN65%20chronological%20order%2005-08.htm
This will take you to all the photos for August.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Bob
http://sn65.com/
Hi All,
I have just updated the "Forum" page on the website.
If one of the moderators could write up a little blurb about this site, I will insert the comment under the link to the site.
http://sn65.com/SN65%20forums.htm
Catch ya'll l8r.
Bob
http://sn65.com/
Hi All,
This weekend Wayne blocked the hood. Here you can see a photo of the hood with the guide coat (prior to any sanding).
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-08%20004.jpg
I, on the other hand, spent my time sanding interior panels and misc parts so that Wayne could get them in primer.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-08%20010.jpg
I still have a bunch of miscellaneous parts to sand. This has got to be the biggest pain in the butt in regard to the entire project. Just when you finish sanding one part, another has to be sanded. I would much rather prefer assembling, or any other aspect of the project for that matter, than this incessant sanding. WILL IT EVER END??? :-)
With that said, along with sanding our guts out, we plan on finishing up the electrical and plumbing details so that we can fire up the beast by the end of the week. We will be posting a video of the proud event on the website.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Bob
http://sn65.com/
Hi All,
Just got the weight figures from "Competition Fabrication" (the people who fabbed up the dash panels).
A drum roll please.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
2,900 lbs as she sits right now. I am not quite sure exactly how much weight we are going to add, but Wayne says figure right about 500 lbs. That should land us in the 3,400 lbs vicinity. Not to bad.
Also, I was talking to them about valuation. They say that the current cars being fabbed in their shop cost their owner’s approx $250K when complete.
They also said that it was fun watching their customer’s expressions as they viewed the SN65 in their shop. Everyone’s expressions were pretty much the same and it would go something like this....
They would glance at the car as they passed by (just a early mustang). They would get about 10 feet past the car, turn around, walk back and look at the engine bay (cool, a early mustang with a blown engine). They would start to walk away, stop, turn around stare at the car and scratch their heads. They would look over at the guys in the shop and say "What year is this mustang anyway?" The guys in the shop wouldn't say a word. They would just watch the guy as he walked around and around the car. It seams that just as they thought they had it all figured out and started to walk away, they would turn around and go look at another area of the car.
They said that they had more fun watching people as they tried to figure out exactly what they were looking at. I only wish I had been there.
Anyway....
Catch ya'll l8r.
Bob
http://sn65.com/
Hi All,
Today I downloaded some updates to the site. I spent all last night formatting cells and tables. I have reworked the home page so that, hopefully, it will work with all browsers. Also, I have added a page with amusing tidbits. There is nothing that would be considered radical, just things that I found interesting or brought a smile to my face.
We have things organized and ready to install for the big "turning the key for the first time" ceremony. I just have a few remaining items that should be arriving today. If all goes well, we should be ready to fire it up tomorrow.
Wish us luck. We will need it.
Bob
Bob, the site is looking good. The only thing I noticed is that the homepage isn't optimized for 800x600. The other pages are. No biggie, really, I just thought I'd let you know. To be honest, I don't know how many people even use 800x600 as their desktop resolution anymore.
Can't wait to hear the report on starting it up! :thumbsup:
Hi All,
AAAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
This weekend SUCKED.
All we had to do to get the car fired up was to complete two tasks. First, complete the remote oil filter / cooler plumbing and configure and install the intercooler heat exchanger. No Problem. How hard could those two items be?
First we got all the oil system configured and mounted. We then started to install the hose end fittings. No problem at the engine. Everything is good at the oil cooler. Now, moving on to the remote filter housing. !@#$%^&*() SOAB!!!! The fittings don't fit!!!!
The fittings thread in, but the NPT fitting just does not tighten up. What the???? We look at the housing and can't figure out why. The other housing is NPT, but this housing looks like a straight thread.
A quick call to Maximum Motorsports solves the riddle. Between the time that we received the original kit and the second remote housing (we modified the first housing to fit up to the engine) they had altered the design. The original kit came with a NPT fitting. The newer remote housing came with straight threads designed for use with "O" rings.
The solution??? They are sending me the new fittings ASAP.
With that resolved, we figured we could at least get the heat exchanger fit up and mounted.
WRONG!!!!
We picked up a real slick tubing bender for the project. There are a number of complex bends in the exchanger plumbing and we wanted them all to be just right. Well, we set up the bending station, got the tube ready inserted it in the bender and.... IT DIDN'T FIT!!! The manufacturer had sent us the wrong set of dies and the tube did not fit.
I know what the problem is. It is a giant government conspiracy designed to drive me insane. That’s what it is. The government has decided that our project should be classified. Classified as what, we don't know, but that has to be the answer. What else can it be? I haven’t pissed off any mafia kingpin, well, at least not lately. :-)
Back to the drawing board. We shifted gears and proceeded to mount the fenders and the hood. The hood looks totally killer on the car. It is much nicer than I envisioned with my minds eye. The view from the cockpit is perfect.
I will try to post photos latter today.
Catch ya'll l8r
Bob, for some reason, that kind of stuff seems to be the norm - for me at least. lol I HATE when that stuff happens.
Anyways, thanks for the updates, can't wait to see the hood mounted on the car. :thumbsup:
race-rodz
08-15-2005, 01:23 PM
i agree... the "man" conspires against the "little guys" in hopes of breaking his will to better ones self. but fortunatley in my case.... im too stupid to understand the "man" is trying to opress my innermost desires to suceed in the goals i have set forth.
btw...... i am getting the strong impression that my g/f is in on the governement conspiricy.... an aliens steal my tools on a regular basis. :_paranoid
:thumbsup: on the progress......... i had to roll mine further back into its corner for a lil more room. im really starting to get tired of working on "paying" jobs... i just wanna work on my own stuff. :unibrow:
DCreations
08-15-2005, 04:30 PM
Damn that sucks, sorry man :drama:
Hi All,
Yesterday things went pretty slow. We didn't receive the fittings for the oil cooler / filter relocation kit until the afternoon. That only gave me enough time to mount the oil cooler. I now have to mount the filter relocation housing. I can easily mount the housing, but running the lines is going to be a bit problematic in that the fittings I have to use take up quite a bit of real-estate. I think I have things figured out, but I thought I would review the installation with Wayne and the guys in the shop before I drilled the mounting holes.
Here is a photo of the installed cooler. We were trying to decide if we need a shield to protect it from rocks thrown off the front wheel. We are going to debate this one a bit before we
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-16%20018.jpg
Wayne got the fenders and hood mounted. And, as with everything else, he had to do some fine tuning for fit and clearance. The passenger side fender will need some modification to achieve the proper gap at the hood. We also had to modify the caster camber plate setup to gain a little bit more clearance between the strut shaft and hood. Here are some photos of the hood from a couple different angles
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-16%20016.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-16%20015.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-16%20013.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-16%20011.jpg
We are still waiting for the correct tube bending dies so that we can fab up the heat exchanger plumbing. Maybe they will come in today. I can only hope.
Catch ya'll l8r
Smack_talker
08-16-2005, 10:29 AM
wow...looks kewl. I think you guys have raised the bar for PT Mustangs for sure. I am contemplating doing a PT car either 69 Mustang or 69 GTO. Any thoughts??
Hi All,
There has been a lot of discussion in regard to the oil cooler installation as far as location goes. Most are concerned with damage and others concerned with air flow. We have reviewed the situation over and over again, but I feel that we have the situation under control. I will be posting photos of the finished installation once complete and then we can all critique it.
Wayne is moving on to the front fenders. He is positioning the flares and working out the design of the leading and trailing edges. Wayne and Dave came into my office yesterday and asked about the lower front valances that were available for the Eleanor kit. They were wondering how that lower valance would look on this car. They said that their jobs would be a whole hell of a lot easier if they could use the molded ends that blended into the front edge of the front fenders.
Well... To make a long story short, we decided not to use the Eleanor front end and to stick with our original plan. Wayne will fab the leading and trailing edges of the flares. We will use the factory front valance (modified with vents for the heat exchanger). Also, to answer a few other questions, we are going to use the factory chrome bumpers front and back. Some argue that a car of this type should have some type of spoiler or a Shelby front valance. I can see their points, but I just can't envision a spoiler that will do the car justice. Also, while I like Shelby clones, I just could not bear to put a Shelby front valance on this car. I know, I know. Using the Shelby "R" style front valance would save me tons of work. No bumper brackets to fab, etc, etc. And we would have plenty of air flow for the radiator and heat exchanger. BUT, I am going to resist the knee jerk reaction to take the easy way out. I think this car should stand on it's own merit. I could not stand it if people walked away from the car thinking It was some altered Shelby clone.
Anyway... It is coming up on 8AM and I have to get to work.
Catch ya'll l8r
More power too you for not taking the easy way out. I think all your reasoning was right. Ya, it might be easier to use shelby pieces, but I think with everything custom and innovative on your car, these things shouldnt be too much and only enhance the originality of your car.
Best of Luck,
Pics...pics...pics too!
Tim
Hi All,
Wayne worked late last night on the drivers side fender flare. Before I left for the night (undedicated part timer that I am :-) ) I helped Wayne set the suspension to get the correct attitude. I also established where I wanted him to position the top of the wheel opening. I had already gone through this exercise once before (when the car was on the frame rack on blocks) so all of the "rough" layout lines were pretty well completed at that time.
In the photos below you can see how we positioned the flare, marked up the panel, segmented it and screwed the flare to the fender with sheet metal screws. The positioning of the flare is quite difficult on the Mustang front fender. The problem area is where the fender intersects the bodyline just above the wheel. The flare has to be trimmed back so that the outside edge of the flare ends up exactly where you want it (in relation to the outside edge of the tire).
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-19%20002.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-19%20004.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-19%20012.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-19%20011.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-19%20013.jpg
All Wayne has to do now is form the metal at the leading and trailing ends of the flare. Then we can bond the flare to the fender, finish off the inside surfaces, undercoat the fender, add a layer of fiberglass to the outside edge of the flare, fill and sand and fill and sand and fill and sand....
Catch ya'll l8r
CAMAROBOY69
08-19-2005, 12:05 PM
I try to check in every chance I get to see the progress. This car is coming along so well!!! I tell everyone about this one. I like what you did with the dash piece from the old to the new dash. Took me a while to decide what I wanted and it looks like you went the same route as me. You used sheet metal to build it. Definetly not the easiest way but it works. If I was to redo mine I would probably go with fiberglass. I cant wait to see that when its covered in leather. Thats my next step. Keep us updated on the rest of the car. Thanks for sharing all the pics instead of making us wait for the final product. :D
Hi All,
Sorry that I haven't updated the site or posted much lately (5 days since the last update), but I have just been buried over the last week. Working on the car. Working on, sigh, work. Rebuilding my new laptop (Corrupted files drove me to the most drastic of measures. Wiping the system clean an reinstalling all the software and systems). Taking time to show my daily driver at a local car show. On and on...
On a positive note, the body shop did get two projects from people who have been following the build on the internet. One is a 67 Mustang convertible and the other is a Honda rice rocket. The 67 vert needs to be restored after a "small" electrical fire (drivers side engine bay). The "rocket" was in a slight fender bender, but needs a total paint job (Another body shop butchered what was supposed to be a high end "custom" paint job. Here is a photo of Wayne scraping the finish off with a razor blade.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/Picture%20007.jpg
Anyway, I digress...
As far as the car goes, we have been busy little beavers, with Wayne performing a lions share of the work. I have been working on the oil cooler installation, the intercooler mounting, the prop rod installation, etc... Wayne has been working on the drivers side fender and the front grill / valance installation. Following are some photos showing the progress of the past few days. If these aren't enough to keep you satisfied, we have downloaded many more photos at our site.
Prop rod details (Note the installation of the hood bumpers)
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-24%20042.jpg
Oil filter / cooler details (I still have to install the debris shield). Pay special attention to the lines and fittings used. The lines look like your standard automotive hose, but they are a little bit more industrial than that. These armored hydraulic lines have a burst pressure of 9,000 psi. Also, the internal shielding makes these lines virtually impact resistant.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-24%20002.jpg
Flare details (Note the extractor vent)
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-24%20034.jpg
Intercooler heat exchanger details
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-08-24%20035.jpg
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
Just talked to Chuck at Maximum Motorsports. They are helping with all the suspension details and setup. They have helped me resolve a number of issues throughout the project and they just helped pull my a$$ out of the fire again....
I modified the caster camber plate arrangement for clearance and ran the idea past them (of course after I had already made the modification). It seamed like a simple mod straight forward to me. They said that they would run it past engineering and get back to me.
Well, they called back just after I left for the day. Wayne said that they wanted me to call them back ASAP.
I called them back the next morning and Chuck told me not to drive the car as altered. Our simple little modification has reduced the strength of the plate assembly by approx 90%. One little bump in the road and BAM the strut will come right through the hood. He said that the engineer actually came running into his office with the calcs. "The modified plates may not even support the weight of the car just sitting there" he said.
I went over all the details with them and they came up with a "safe" workable solution to my clearance issue.
Thanks MM for saving my butt again.
Hi All,
Time is getting tight and I only had time to updated the website today. I have posted Info on the rear bodywork and revised stereo components. Thanks to all for the input on the stereo. I think you will like the revised system. :-)
Bob
Hi All,
I am getting ready to go an a little labor day get away. So I will be out of the office until next Wed.
Happy holidays, catch ya'll l8r.
Hi All,
Well, I am back from the wilds of northwestern Wisconsin. I am all rested and ready to make one final push to get SN65 roadworthy. Wayne, on the other hand, spent the holiday working. What was he working on you ask? Well, sanding and priming and sanding and priming of course. He is now concentrating his efforts on fitting up the front drivers side fender. I could go into a lot of detail as to what he did and how he did it. but I will let the photos speak for themselves.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-07%20(3).jpg
I don't know about you, but I really like the way Wayne created the flares / extractor vent detail in the front fender. The finished panel is gorgeous. Wayne did an incredible job on the rear flare detail, and needless to say, the front flares are more of the same. When Wayne came in this morning, he found me just standing in the shop staring at the drivers side of the car. I was walking back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. I can really start to picture the finished results and (even though I can be a critical SOB on occasion) the quality of fabrication and the way all the design elements work together far exceed the picture I had painted with my minds eye.
Here are a couple of "fans" that stopped by the shop. They wanted a brief look and Wayne spent about half an hour answering their questions. I am sure that they would still be talking about the car if a paying customer hadn't shown up.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-07%20(9).jpg
What have I been doing you ask? Well.... as I said earlier, I spent the holiday in the backwoods of northwestern Wisconsin. A few days relaxing about the house, going out on the boat and pounding down a few drinks (happy hour is at 5PM) have got me ready to rock. I am going to finish the last few plumbing details and fire this sucker up. After that, it is all going to be a downhill rush to completion. I will post some photos of the plumbing configuration this week. I am very happy with the way the final configuration cam out.
Need more photos??? Just stop by the SN65 website.
Catch ya'll l8r
CAMAROBOY69
09-08-2005, 09:34 AM
Looks great!!! Thank you for the update. :thumbsup:
Hi All,
just a little note. a new update is posted at the site. I'm real busy right now.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Simply awesome, Bob. :thumbsup:
http://www.sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-07.jpg
Smack_talker
09-09-2005, 02:50 PM
I agree...looks awesome. I get excited with each pic of the car one step closer to being completed. :thumbsup: Keep up the good work.
Hi All,
This weekend (as with everything else lately) was a struggle. We bolted the entire front end together (save the bumper) and discovered a number of minor alignment issues. The headlight buckets and "eyebrows" posed the greatest problems. Getting the correct relationship between the upper valance, the bottom of the eyebrows, the bottom of the grill, the outside edge of the eyebrows to the fender, the hood to the eyebrows, the top of the grill to the eyebrows was a royal pain in the butt. every correcting adjustment threw another area out of alignment. After a lot of tighten this, loosen that, move this, tweak that, pry here, bend there and hammer & dolly everywhere, we ended up with the alignment we wanted.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-11%20(2).jpg
After that Wayne went over the body one more time before rolling the car into the booth for final priming. Wayne just needs to finish the passenger side fender and the front valance and we will finally be ready for color. Once we get through these steps and get the car painted, final assembly will fly by.
While Wayne was struggling with the front end panel alignment, I trial fit the dash end panels. One screw holds them in place and they look great. Once we get the windshield pillars painted I will be able to perform the final assembly on the dash. I can't wait for that phase. Once I finish the dash, I can move on to the rest of the interior. Once I have the interior finished, Wayne should have the rest of the front end bodywork complete so we should be able to bolt everything up, turn the key and drive the car over to the alignment shop. That will be a great day. Hopefully it will come soon. :-)
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-11%20(4).jpg
I have included some photos of the intercooler, heat exchanger plumbing. The final assembly of these items will be performed after the installation of the cold air intake system. This may seem backwards, but the 4" diameter cold air intake system mounting flange does not clear the installed heat exchanger plumbing. Maybe I should include this info in the owners manual. Which makes me wonder. When you spend 1/2 mill on a custom car do you get a comprehensive leather bound owners manual or do you get a cardboard box with some of the aftermarket manuals thrown inside. Maybe you just get the keys, a handshake and a "good luck" as you drive off into the sunset.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-11%20(8).jpg
Catch ya'll l8r
syborg tt
09-12-2005, 11:51 AM
I would have to say a corrugated box with some owners manuals
Hi All,
While I spent yesterday reviewing engineering specs and BOM's, Wayne continued to plug along. Here we can see the final guide coat on the chassis / body. How does the car look in black? Dave said maybe we should paint it yellow and black so that we can achieve that often attempted, never achieved faux bumble bee effect. A little wet sanding and the car will be ready for the final color.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-13%20017.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-13%20022.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-13%20023.jpg
After the passenger side fender and valance are complete, we will disassemble for paint. At that point, things will really start to fly.
Catch ya'll l8r
evilzee28
09-13-2005, 09:30 AM
Maybe paint the top black with the bottom in yellow, it'd look really trick with a custom made side moulding dividing the two colours. It could be made from brass & then plated, made to follow the body lines, maybe taperingfrom a point at the front to something a little wider at the rear, say10mm wide or so. If you look in Camaro Performers magazine on page 74 theres asimilar moulding on the "Spurs" Camaro, just a thought! :thumbsup:
Hi All,
Got quite a bit done over the weekend, but I am now stranded in Boston (for those of you who were wondering where I had gotten off to the past couple of days). I am on a jobsite near the logan airport and am bored out of my mind. I can't wait to get back to Chicago, but it looks like I am going to be here till at least Thursday AM.
I just posted a new update to the website with a bunch of new photos. We made a lot of progress, but a few details were giving us quite a bit of trouble.
The major components of the stereo should be showing up this week. Also, I am getting ready to order the Recaro seats. These should look pretty trick when installed.
Wayne should have the front window pillers and the air intake plumbing painted so that I can assemble those items when I return. Also, he may just surprise me and be ahead of schedule when I return, but I will be happy if he has those items finished so that I can do some wrench turning and assembly work.
If anyone is in the Boston / Logan airport area and wishes to get together for a few brews, drop me a line. As I said, I will be here till at least Wed night.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
I am still stuck in Boston. I really want to go home. There is nothing left for me to do at the jobsite but I have to stay available in case there is any kind of problem that only I can resolve. :-(
On another note, here is a link showing what the car may look like when complete. It is just a photochop, but the guy who worked it up did a very nice job.
http://eleanor.pro3i.com/showthread.php?t=513328&page=33&pp=25
Well... What do you think. Any things you like or don't like???
Payton King
09-23-2005, 12:08 PM
I like the black hood with the boss style stripe.
Hi All,
Yesterday, I worked on the final engine plumbing details. Radiator and air intake. Everything went pretty well. Not perfect, just pretty well. :-)
To complete the air intake I need to locate one sensor and plumb up one vacuum line.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-27%20006.jpg
My biggest problem is the lower radiator lines. I have posted some photos (more available at the website) showing the incredibly tight spaghetti bowl of lines and hoses in this area. Everything is pretty good, but I only have about 1/8" clearance between the sway bar and the hose / thermostat housing. There is plenty of flex in the plumbing (if the sway bar pushed on the hose, there is about 1 1/2" of movement). My problem is that there is nothing to tie the hose / housing to save the power steering rack and doing this is a bit problematic. I am thinking that I can make a bracket that ties the bolt of the housing to the rack, but there is nowhere on the rack to bolt to. I am going to have to kick this around for a while until something comes to mind. In the mean time, I am going to place a rubber "shield" around the sway bar to keep it from chaffing the radiator hose.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-27%20010.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-27%20012.jpg
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
Anyone notice the download I posted on the SN65 homepage???
Steve Chryssos
09-27-2005, 12:31 PM
Yesterday, I worked on the final engine plumbing details. Radiator and air intake. Everything went pretty well. Not perfect, just pretty well. :-)
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Catch ya'll l8r
Bob,
I'll be blunt. That looks terrible. And its function may be even worse than its appearance. Time to redirect your exemplary fabrication skills to things mechanical. Pull all the hoses, lines and wiring apart and piece it back together like a puzzle. Prioritize the systems based on their importance as well as ease of fabrication. Examples:
a) Have Addco (http://www.addco.net) or Hellwig (http://www.hellwigproducts.com) bend you up a custom anti-sway bar for more clearance. They'll put the kinks wherever you want them. I doubt the custom bar will be very expensive.
b) You can use a combination of bent SS tubing and rubber hose to direct your lower radiator hose.
c) It may be necessary to weld a short 45 degree aluminum elbow onto your radiator's lower inlet--pointed upward from what I can see.
d) Bend custom power steering lines. Big towns have shops that bend high pressure hydraulic lines for construction/farming equipment. And Jones Racing Products (http://www.jonesracingproducts.com) makes braided Teflon lines for your rack. They're a pain in the ass to assemble, so I suggest you find a local hydraulic line shop instead.
e) Shorten or lengthen various wires as necessary so that they can be routed together and all in the same direction.
That car's way to pretty to have hose and wire heading in all different directions. I hope you fix it right.
Bob,
I'll be blunt. That looks terrible. And its function may be even worse than its appearance. Time to redirect your exemplary fabrication skills to things mechanical. Pull all the hoses, lines and wiring apart and piece it back together like a puzzle. Prioritize the systems based on their importance as well as ease of fabrication. Examples:
a) Have Addco (http://www.addco.net) or Hellwig (http://www.hellwigproducts.com) bend you up a custom anti-sway bar for more clearance. They'll put the kinks wherever you want them. I doubt the custom bar will be very expensive.
b) You can use a combination of bent SS tubing and rubber hose to direct your lower radiator hose.
c) It may be necessary to weld a short 45 degree aluminum elbow onto your radiator's lower inlet--pointed upward from what I can see.
d) Bend custom power steering lines. Big towns have shops that bend high pressure hydraulic lines for construction/farming equipment. And Jones Racing Products (http://www.jonesracingproducts.com) makes braided Teflon lines for your rack. They're a pain in the ass to assemble, so I suggest you find a local hydraulic line shop instead.
e) Shorten or lengthen various wires as necessary so that they can be routed together and all in the same direction.
That car's way to pretty to have hose and wire heading in all different directions. I hope you fix it right.
Hi SF,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. I am going to have to start with the plumbing and configure the swaybar to fit. With that said, everything (except the re-routing of the engine coolant connection at the block) is exactly as stock. I only rearrainged the plumbing to avoid the sway bar.
Also, it looks better in person, the photos flatten everything out and items that are actually in the background look like they are right on top of each other.
Thanks for the input.
CAMAROBOY69
09-28-2005, 07:11 AM
Whoever put that video together on his site gets "Coolest compilation video of the century" That was a very impressive video. I have made many of these and I know how much time it takes to put them together. Then to make the pics switch with the music is just beyond impressive!!!
If you guys havent seen the video you HAVE to watch it!!
Hi All,
Two steps forward, one step back.... :-(
Yesterday, I wanted to help make some headway on the bodywork. I decided that the best place for me to concentrate my efforts was on the front valance. I had already cut the ductwork for the vents. All I had to do was fit them up to the inside of the valance, tack them up, and then wait for Wayne to weld the seam. Simple right? Well after I did the final fit up and tacked them in place, I decided, what the hell, I can weld the seam. After all, I know how to weld. It can't be that hard. That was my big mistake. I followed all the proper procedures and after about 30 minutes I had everything welded up. I then started to examine my work and found that the piece had warped at the end of the passenger side vent. I didn't think it was that bad, but after Wayne looked it over, we decided that we should order a new valance and do it over again....
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-30%20003.jpg
I was so depressed. I thought I was helping out and, when all was said and done, all I ended up doing was creating more work. :-( On the other hand, my little excursion into the realm of Wayne's world has been a revelation. There is more to properly crafting steel than a basic understanding of the proper procedure. Also, just because you can weld, does not mean that you have the "touch" required to weld these thin sheet metal panels. I guess I will limit my welding to heavier brackets and structural items until I develop a lighter "touch" with the welder.
On the plus side, it does serve as a nice "mock up" of the final piece. When in position on the front of the car, it shows us what the finished panel will look like. It is going to look killer. Also, it has revealed a slight interference with the ductwork and the heat exchanger plumbing. We are going to resolve the interference issue by relocating the fittings on the exchanger from the front of the unit to the sides.
On another note, Wayne did get the front window pillars painted last night so that I can start on the final dash assembly. I will be working hard on this aspect of the build while I leave the bodywork in the hands of the experts.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-30%20005.jpg
It is now after lunch and I have been working on the dash assembly all morning. The defroster vents gave me a bit of a fit, but (after a bit of trimming) I was able to get the ducts installed and aligned. We should now be able to run the defrosters as we drive around the Chicago area this winter. :-)
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-30%20005.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-09-30%20009.jpg
Catch ya'll l8r
Diognes56
10-02-2005, 10:19 PM
Me -> :hail: to SN65 :D
David
Hi All,
This weekend while I worked on the car, Wayne was involved on a new project. A customer brought in a 70 Camaro that he wants built into a ground pounding, earth shaking, 504 cubic inch big block beast. I could not help but listened to him and his son talk to Wayne. And while he says his intentions are only to do a bit of cruising and joy ridding and maybe hit the local car show circuit, I cannot help but feel that he has no good intentions toward all my faithful Ford brethren. And, even though it is a (cough) Chevy, it is going to be one beautiful ride when finished.
So, while Wayne was busy with a paying customer, I worked on modifying the pony door panels. I needed to remove the raised areas that interfered with the ends of the dash and also, I needed to remove the entire ribbed center section. While, on the surface, this sounds like a relatively easy project, It ended up taking most of the morning. And, I still have to fit the panels up one more time to check the clearance. Also, since I am not using any of the chrome trim, the edges have to be ground to a nice consistent lip all the way around the panel and then I need to radius all the edges (they currently come to a sharp edge). When I am done, they will go off to the upholstery shop where they will be covered in the same leather that was used on the dash panels. The center section will end up with a padded insert. The only hole in the panel will be for the standard Mustang door pull.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-03%20(3).jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-03%20(5).jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-03%20(4).jpg
I also spent time mounting the two 6 volt batteries. I picked batteries that were gel filled and mountable in any position. Originally, we were going to hang them in the trunk from the cross member that runs the width of the car just in front of the deck lid. This proved to be a poor location. The batteries are quite heavy and we felt the area had to much flex. If we mounted the batteries there, there was a strong possibility that the weight would pull that area of the car down so that the body no longer lined up with the deck lid. After much consideration we decided to mount them under the internal cross bracing where the rear seats used to be.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-03%20(9).jpg
Well, enough for now. It is time to get back to work.
Catch ya'll l8r
Bob
Hi All,
I am getting ready to turn the key for the first time. I am currently reviewing all the electrical connections. Anyone out there have any recommendations as to possible electrical issues I should be on the watch for. I am currently looking at all the grounds. any other issues you are aware of would be very helpful.
67Fastback
10-04-2005, 09:52 AM
Hi All,
I am getting ready to turn the key for the first time. I am currently reviewing all the electrical connections. Anyone out there have any recommendations as to possible electrical issues I should be on the watch for. I am currently looking at all the grounds. any other issues you are aware of would be very helpful.
In my experience, smoke = bad :)
Seriously, good luck! I'm guessing you already have the PATS stuff covered, or you are using the OEM everything for the ingition switch?
Jeff
In my experience, smoke = bad :)
Seriously, good luck! I'm guessing you already have the PATS stuff covered, or you are using the OEM everything for the ingition switch?
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
We are using all the factory "everything" as far as the electrical goes. The original harnesses, etc...
MaxHarvard
10-04-2005, 11:02 AM
Awesome progress, love the new door panels! :D
Hi All,
Well... After reviewing all the wiring over and over and over and over again, I finally resolved the "buzzing" dash issue. It appears to have been a sticking "turn signal relay". It looks like I will have to replace that item. If it still buzzes with the new relay, I will have to re-work the grounds for that part of the wiring.
With that said, if all goes well today, we will be lighting this cracker this afternoon. I have all the fluids on order. I want to get the initial firing on tape for posterity. I better check the film in my good old Kodak super 8 movie camera. Does film have a shelf life? Oh, what the hell, I am sure that the film is still good. After all, it is only about 22 years old. :-)
Hi All,
She's ALIVE!!!
After checking all the fluids and adding some premium petrol, inserting the key, depressing the clutch and turning the key, the engine turned over for about 10 seconds, sputtered a bit and then fired up. We only let it run for about 10 seconds before shutting it down. I still needed to complete the intercooler plumbing so we did not want to run it for long.
I will be posting a video of the whole affair once I figure out how to edit these movie clips down to something smaller that 30 meg. :-)
I have been pretty busy completing the intercooler plumbing and bleeding the air out of the cooling system. I will be posting an update with photos, etc as soon as I can pull myself away from all these fun filled details.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Hi All,
OH, OH, OH..... I forgot to mention the sound.
It is just incredible. I could not be happier. A nice mellow rumble at idle and a throaty roar when reved.
Many thanks to the fellows at Magnaflow for recomending this system for our car. The fit and finish and sound are all we could possibly ask for....
I better stop now, a tear of joy is coming to my eye. Sniff, sniff... :-)
JohnnyGMachine
10-06-2005, 04:17 PM
....AAAAHHHH! You're killing me Bob! I can't wait to see the final product painted! Again, being a Mustang freak this car is one of my favorite PT cars!!!
Can't wait!!!
John
Hi All,
This weekend went pretty well.
Wayne has the passenger side fender ready for primer. This fender really gave him fits. Every time he made an adjustment here, something would change there. Every time he fixed something there, something here would change. It was a combination of the fender not being quite right, the flare being totally different from the one on the other side and the curvature of the fender apron being slightly different than the drivers side. Even so, he has everything lining up just perfect. It is amazing the things you can accomplish if you just keep working at it and don't give up. There were many points along the way where I told him that it was good enough and Wayne just would not hear it. He was not going to give up until he was 100% happy with the results.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-10%20004.jpg
I on the other hand, got a second chance with the front valance. I was all prepared to let Wayne do all the work, but he would have none of it. This time he watched my progress and made sure that I did not mess this one up. All in all I am real happy with the results. Now I just have to open up the back side of the duct so that as much cool air as possible is directed into the intercooler heat exchanger.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-10%20001.jpg
With that said, it is time to get to work. Wayne is already hard at it and I am just sitting here at the keyboard typing on and on and on and on....
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
If you go to the SN65 home page, there is a small download of us firing up the beast. It is just a short little Windows Media Player clip, but it is living proof that she really does in fact fire up and that she runs smooth as silk.
Enjoy....
Hi All,
I just updated the SN65 construction video. I have only made a few changes, and it still cannot be completed until the car is done.
Hope you like it.
Hi all,
Here is my new favorite photo.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-10%20014.jpg
Looking kind of "sinister" isn't she?
race-rodz
10-12-2005, 12:51 PM
are you gonna be running a chin spoiler of some kind? if not i think the bottom of the core support really needs some blackout treatment.
my personal mustang project is on hold (again) due to a certain shop truck getting all the attention. but everytime i look at the updated posts of this car i get all warm and fuzzy inside...almost wanna go drag it back out and start workin on it :thumbsup: i hate having too many projects :mad:
are you gonna be running a chin spoiler of some kind? if not i think the bottom of the core support really needs some blackout treatment.
my personal mustang project is on hold (again) due to a certain shop truck getting all the attention. but everytime i look at the updated posts of this car i get all warm and fuzzy inside...almost wanna go drag it back out and start workin on it :thumbsup: i hate having too many projects :mad:
Hi RR,
The photo is a bit decieving. It was taken at a very low angle. You really have to bend over quite a bit before you see much of the core suppot at all (if any). Here is a photo looking straight into the grill. This is what you would see if you were squatting down about 20 feet in front of the car.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-10%20009.jpg
Once the valance is painted Yellow, you will not even notice the core support, even if you were low enough to see it. Although, God save you if this is what you see when the car is doing about 160. :-)
Also, we have about 3.5" of clearance below the K-member.
And, hey, don't worry about your project car. It will be ready and waiting for you when you have the time to work on it. Project cars, unlike wives, are very forgiving that way. :-)
Hi All,
Kind of busy this AM. There is a new update at the website.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Hi All,
This weekend went pretty well.
I finished modifying and painting the hood latching hardware.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-15%20022.jpg
I also preliminarily fit up the rear interior panels. What a pain in the butt. I know that these panels were fit by hand on an assembly line, but gezzz, nothing lines up right. After assembling, disassembling, trimming, relocating tabs and re-drilling mounting holes, I finally ended up with a nice consistent fit. Now I just have to construct the structure for the floor and Wayne can paint the panels. We have to wait on painting these panels until after the floor structure is finished. We don't want to be scratching the newly painted surfaces now do we.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-15%20005.jpg
If you look at all the other photos on the site, you can get a real good feel for how the finished interior will look. I think that the blend of 65 and 03 works very well.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
I have the rear package tray fabed up. I used 1x2 clear pine for the structure. All the joints are half lap joints for strength. The structure is sheeted with Masonite. If you are wondering what we are going to do with the rear shock towers, we are going to have them covered with a leather "boot" similar to what you would see over a shifter. As you can see, we have located the 4x110 + 300 watt amp just above the batteries. If we wanted to, we could make a hole in the package tray and expose the illuminated "Hifonics" name, but as of today, we are thinking no. The package tray is going to be upholstered in the same leather we used for the dash. This should give it a more luxurious appearance (as opposed to the typical carpet).
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-19%20029.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-19%20039.jpg
Wayne has finished up the front valance and it is looking killer. If things go as planned, we should have the car in living color ready to start the final assembly by the end of next week.
Well, back to work. Today, I have to fab up the subwoofer enclosure.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
9:00 AM
This weekend Wayne and I had to run up to the cabin and shut it down for the winter. We looked at the whether forecast and felt that we could not wait any longer. Here are a few views of the lake from the pier.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/pan%2005-10-24%20023.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/pan%2005-10-24%20019.jpg
We only spent two days up there and wished we could have spent more. The weather was beautiful, albeit a bit on the chilly side.
Even though we were out of town, some work was still completed in our absence. Our nephew Mike wired up the power amp and got the head unit fit up. He is wiring up the rest of the system today (power, ground, illumination, remote amp, etc...).
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-24%20009.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-24%20006.jpg
I on the other hand got the subwoofer enclosure well under way. I just need to complete the interior baffling and we can urethane the structure right to the wheel well. Right now, the top of the sub enclosure is flush with the trunk floor. This is nice because now, when we install the carpet, it will lay flat.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-24%20001.jpg
Wayne is catching up on some customer cars right now, but as soon as he is all caught up, he will start checking all the panels making sure that they are ready for paint. If all looks good, he should have everything in color by the end of next week.
4:30 PM
Wo Hoo!!! Mike got the system all wired up and functioning. Even though he just had the speakers sitting on the ground, I can tell that the stereo is going to be a killer. It is going to really crank inside the car, but unfortunately, the guys in the shop tell me I that you will be able to hear this car coming from a block or two away. :-)
Wayne says that the car is ready to paint. We just need to disassemble (again) and prep all the pieces. After we have the chassis stripped, he just has to schedule some booth time and a painter.
Things are looking good.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
And away we go...
Getting ready for applying the paint. Here Wayne has started the final steps prior to paint. Final priming, sealing, wet sanding, etc... I tell him "It looks good to me, just paint it." and he says "I know that you want to start putting it together, but I am not going to rush at this point in the project." I respond with "Boyd would have had this car painted months ago." His answer is "Well, if I were a slave driver who passed down unrealistic deadlines and had 30 people working on one car, I WOULD have had it done months ago." after which he firmly plants his foot up my ass. :-)
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-26%20020.jpg
After apologizing profusely and removing said foot, I went about finished up the stereo installation. After some higher math calculations ( 1 / (pi x r squared x depth) ) I determined the finished size of the sub enclosure. What you see there is 1 cubic foot of air. To get a strong, air tight bond, we used urethane to bond the enclosure to the spare tire well. Now we have to figure out what to do with the cavity we created. Wayne suggests converting it into a martini bar. :-)
At this point, the dash is basically complete. To finish we just have to wire up the parking brake function to the head unit and install the windshield mounted AM FM antenna. We are going to mount the antenna behind the rear view mirror and the "green" band at the top of the windshield. If you are wondering about the green tape on the instrument cluster, it is there to prevent any stray dust from entering the unit. When we originally stored the unit, we did not take this into consideration. So, when we went to install the cluster, we found that the inside was covered with a light layer of dust. I had to disassemble the unit and clean the inside, which is no easy task. Getting into all the corners was a real pain in the butt.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-26%20027.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-10-26%20003.jpg
Anyway, back to work. Today, I have to figure out how to mount the sill plates and kick panels.
Catch ya'll l8r
62fairlane
10-27-2005, 08:13 PM
and here all this time I thought you were out of black tape to cover that check engine light that wouldn't go away :P
Hi All,
Lots of new photos at the site. Some great ones of the sealed panels.
Go to the month of Oct project journal and check it out. For those who don't know the way, just click the link at the bottom of the SN65 home page.
Hi All,
Wayne just got back from SEMA. This was Wayne’s first trip to SEMA and he was amazed at the shear size of the event.
Before he left for the show, we had a short discussion about what he was expecting to see. He thought that he would be seeing the best of the best. He also thought that the quality of work we were producing would fall somewhere in the middle of the pack. And while he saw some mighty fine rides on display, he now figures that our project would have been somewhere in the top 5%, as far as overall quality goes. This was a real shock to Wayne.
This was very gratifying to hear. As I said, we talked about this very topic before he left. I was a little disappointed that we could not find a sponsor willing to showcase the car. In fact, I had difficulty finding anybody who would give the matter more than passing consideration. This left me with the feeling that maybe this is not as nice a project as we have led ourselves to believe. Now I feel a bit better about showing the car in the future.
I am wet sanding the interior pieces getting them ready for their final paint. Wayne is catching up on paperwork for the shop. I will be posting an update soon.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Hi All,
New update at the site.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
I have been plodding along on the electrical. We have the windshield wipers wired and functioning. The door locks and interior lights are wired and function with the remote, just like a real car. :-) Today I start on the rear wiring (tail lights, licence plate light, etc...).
Wayne has been making progress on the paint. The door jambs plus the inside of the hood and trunck lid are all in color. After he gets the body and a few other misc parts in sealer, he will be applying the color to the rest of the car.
Updated Photos are at the site.
Catch ya'll l8r.
Hi All,
Yesterday was great. I finished wiring up all the rear light connections. The parking lights and the tail lights and the license plate light and the trunk light and I even ran wires for the third eye break light. I just have to find a 12 volt THIN led strip about 36" long. If anyone knows where to find such an item, I would appreciate a heads up.
It is interesting to note that the color codes are the same today as they were in 1965. All of the wires I spliced together (from the 03 harness to the 65 pigtails) are exactly the same. Also, when I completed the wiring of the tail lights, the weird "buzzing" that was coming from one of the relays stopped. It appears that that circuit needed a load in order for the relay to latch properly. So now I have parking lights, turn signals, break lights and driving lights all functioning.
Woo Hoo!!!!
Wayne is detailing and wet sanding his heart out. He should have all the separate panels painted complete by the end of the weekend. I should have up to date photos posted on Monday.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
OMG, OMG, OMG!!!
I walked into the shop this morning just like any other day. Still half asleep, a freshly brewed cup of coffee in hand, I worked my way through the dim shop and started turning on the lights. As the shop started to brighten up (it takes a few minutes for the lights to kick in), I noticed that the Hood, doors and trunk lid were missing!!! I walked around the shop looking to see if they were perhaps moved from their normal resting place, but I did not see them anywhere. Where the heck were they? Wayne said that he was going to paint them today, so I looked in the booth to see if he had moved them in there. Maybe he finished all the wet sanding and put them in the booth so that they could get painted first thing.
When I turned on the booth lights and walked inside I almost cried. Before my eyes was one of the most spectacular sites I had ever beheld. Wayne worked late last night and started laying color. If a picture paints a thousand words, these speak volumes. So, instead of me going on, and on, and on, and on, I will let the images speak for themselves.
One parting comment... Just look at the reflections.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-12-08%20016.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-12-08%20004.jpg
As always, more images are available at our site.
Catch ya'll l8r
lil427z
11-12-2005, 09:39 AM
bob thanks for the potos. :thumbsup:
rick kirkindall :)
Smack_talker
11-12-2005, 10:23 AM
Good thing i wear my sunglasses when I surf the net. :hail: that car is bright
Hi All,
I just did a little search and found the first mock up we did of the hood.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-02-11%20(1).JPG
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-12-08%20016.jpg
After looking at the early photo, it is hard to believe that it looks as good as it does today.
Anyway... Back to work. :-)
Hi All,
It looks like our first show is going to be the Detroit Autorama coming up this March. When I told the guy's in the shop, they said, Ohhhh, maybe we will win the Riddler.....
BRAHHHAHHHHAHHHH!!!!!!
They may have been perfectly serious at the time but it is hard to tell. Maybe I should have taken the laugh as a little clue. :-)
Anyway... It did bring up an interesting topic. The general feeling was that, even if this car came out absolutely perfect, it would not be given a second look for this award.
First off, it is completely different than any car that has ever won the award. They are all polished chrome, SS lines, shaved, frenched, blank firewall, minimalist street rod type cars. Ours is built to mimic factory construction. Wires everywhere, factory connectors, factory labels, etc... We would be more successful in a concourse competition than this type of show car setting.
Second, we are not one of the big name shops or builders. I think that there is a certain mind set at these events. If Foose has a car there, he will make the finals, regardless of the entry.
Third, We have not spent 1/2 mill on this project. This also seams to have an impact on the judges.
While these are all good points, I feel that we may generate some interest if only due to the unique aspect of this project. The fact that it is totally different from the projects normally given the nod might even work in our favor, that is of course if creativity has anything to do with the competition at all.
What do you think??? Will a project of this nature be given any consideration or will the judges keep picking cars that are more of the same???
TravisB
11-15-2005, 09:34 AM
Bob to be eligiable for the riddler the car cannot be seen with paint on it...not on the web in pictures or anything....This is my understanding anyway and I may be completely wrong?
usually muscle cars do not far well at that show..Roy pigford built IMO a perfect riddler car(i.e.flawless) and got beat out buy a bolt together 41 Willys (prostreeted at that)
So IMO no it wouldn't far that well..not that the car is not nice but usually those type cars don't far well
Hi All,
It looks like our first show is going to be the Detroit Autorama coming up this March. When I told the guy's in the shop, they said, Ohhhh, maybe we will win the Riddler.....
BRAHHHAHHHHAHHHH!!!!!!
They may have been perfectly serious at the time but it is hard to tell. Maybe I should have taken the laugh as a little clue. :-)
Anyway... It did bring up an interesting topic. The general feeling was that, even if this car came out absolutely perfect, it would not be given a second look for this award.
First off, it is completely different than any car that has ever won the award. They are all polished chrome, SS lines, shaved, frenched, blank firewall, minimalist street rod type cars. Ours is built to mimic factory construction. Wires everywhere, factory connectors, factory labels, etc... We would be more successful in a concourse competition than this type of show car setting.
Second, we are not one of the big name shops or builders. I think that there is a certain mind set at these events. If Foose has a car there, he will make the finals, regardless of the entry.
Third, We have not spent 1/2 mill on this project. This also seams to have an impact on the judges.
While these are all good points, I feel that we may generate some interest if only due to the unique aspect of this project. The fact that it is totally different from the projects normally given the nod might even work in our favor, that is of course if creativity has anything to do with the competition at all.
What do you think??? Will a project of this nature be given any consideration or will the judges keep picking cars that are more of the same???
kennyd
11-15-2005, 10:35 AM
Third, We have not spent 1/2 mill on this project. This also seams to have an impact on the judges.(quote)
1/2 mill will not cover a riddler winner these days !
Smack_talker
11-15-2005, 10:37 AM
I dont ever remember seeing a Riddler winner that was not a street rod...maybe there has been some but not many if ever.
TravisB
11-15-2005, 11:01 AM
I dont ever remember seeing a Riddler winner that was not a street rod...maybe there has been some but not many if ever.
I don't remember one either.....
Hi All,
One more step toward completion.
Wayne got the fenders painted last night, as well as the front upper and lower valance and some miscellaneous parts.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-16%20018.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-16%20013.jpg
I, on the other hand, got little done other than sanding a few small parts getting them ready for paint.
I thought that now would be a good time to look back into the past and see just where we were one year ago. Here are a few photos of the project from last Nov.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/04-11-16%20(1).JPG
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/04-11-29.JPG
We have come quite far over the past 12 months. I look forward to the day that we can drive this car whenever the mood strikes us. Hopefully, it will be sooner than next Nov. :-)
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
Haven't had much to post lately. The detail work is just eating up so much time. I spent ALL day Friday detailing the interior "C" pillar vent grills. I sanded all the corrosion from the surfaces. You know what I mean right? All that pitting that develops over the years. Sanding in between all those vents is a royal pain in the butt. All that work, just to get them ready for paint.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-21%20019.jpg
What we are going to do is paint them the dark charcoal color and then wet sand the fronts to expose the chrome after which we will clear coat the pieces. They should look pretty good at that point. The chrome front surfaces of the grills are now an interesting blend of chrome and brass which will look great with the current color combinations.
On Saturday, I worked up the seat brackets. These were much more involved than I had originally thought they were going to be. The seat tracks were much wider than the ford mounting locations. Also, the factory mounting locations are recessed into the floor about 2". To resolve these issues, I searched through the cash of stock Hydro-Flo material and decided to use two pieces of 2" x 2" unistrut. I had to taper and box the ends to clear the contours of the floor. I also had to remove about an inch of material fron the top of the rear mount to clear the seat when it is in the full down position.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-21%20001.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-21%20004.jpg
Even though I was spending my spare time working on inane details, Wayne actually got the raw end of the deal. In between working on customer cars, he would continue sanding on the body getting it just right before rolling it into the paint booth. He will be wiping all the surfaces down reviewing the work today. He is being even more critical of this aspect of the build than he was with the bolt on items. He says "I only want to paint this once". This is such a large phase of the project, reworking any mistakes would really suck. Here is a shot of all the painted pieces currently in storage. If Wayne gets his wish, we will be able to start assembly at the beginning of December.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-21%20009.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-21%20015.jpg
Catch ya'll l8r
syborg tt
11-21-2005, 09:06 AM
I don't remember one either.....
Troy's Sniper did win one year
Smack_talker
11-21-2005, 09:12 AM
Troy's Sniper did win one year
That is probably the newest car that won the Riddler. Sniper was a 57?? If i remember right.
Al Moreno
11-21-2005, 11:48 AM
That is probably the newest car that won the Riddler. Sniper was a 57?? If i remember right.
The newest car to win the ridler was a 49 Chevy "M-80" build by HotRod and Custom Stuff. Here is the link.
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/M80-02.html
The Sniper never competed for the Ridler.
Hi All,
Here was the winner in 95
http://www.autorama.com/casi/images/ridler/large/scan0032.jpg
It is a 92 Mercedies
Here is the winner in 86
http://www.autorama.com/casi/images/ridler/large/scan0023.jpg
It is an 86 Grand Am
All other winners (fron the 80's to date) have been 40's or older.
OBTW... No Sniper....
syborg tt
11-21-2005, 01:54 PM
okay can i go back and remove my post so i don't look like an idiot
Hi All,
I hope you have all had a good thanksgiving. Mine was great, except for the fact that I started a flame war over at 3.8. :-)
I stumbled across a stupid comment that someone made about a year ago and just had to respond. It must have been the booze talking (I had just finished a couple of glasses of a nice zinfandel followed by a couple shots of grappa), because I normally would have just ignored it. Anyway, I should have let sleeping dogs lie. I would have been better off hitting a hornets nest with a stick.
Anyway....
The car is now in the booth awaiting sealer, color and clear. While we were starting to apply the sealer, we started to get a few random fisheyes. It appears we did not wipe it down as good as we thought we had. So now we have to sand out the fisheyes and wipe down the car again. This time doing it right. Oh well. Wayne just got into the office so it is time to get to work.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-26%20003.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-26%20002.jpg
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
Color is going down this very second. Looking good so far. :-)
Hi All,
The clear is going down as I am typing this. Lots of new photos at the website.
syborg tt
11-26-2005, 11:27 AM
looking good - can't wait to see it in person
Hi All,
The paint is down. I need to help Wayne prep some small pieces that are yet to be finished. After that, all we (Wayne) have to do now is wet sand everything with 600 one last time, give it two more coats of clear and the painting is done.
Right now, I need to go wash off the liquid mask (we coated the engine bay and chassis with a spray on liquid mask to keep any stray overspray off the completed areas of the car).
That is all I got for now.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-28%20027.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-28%20025.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-28%20029.jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-11-28%20028.jpg
Catch ya'll l8r
syborg tt
11-28-2005, 08:48 AM
looking good
just curious i remember you saying how many hours you have into this project - so what's the total now ?
looking good
just curious i remember you saying how many hours you have into this project - so what's the total now ?
Hi TT,
I guess that we are pushing the 3000 man hour mark right about now.
So....
50/hour x 3000 hours x the square root of my checking acount = ????
syborg tt
11-28-2005, 03:35 PM
so in the end your looking at about 250 to 300 to duplicate
ps - i firmly believe it's worth every penny
so in the end your looking at about 250 to 300 to duplicate
ps - i firmly believe it's worth every penny
Hi TT,
Actually, doing it the second time would require a bit less time. A lot of the time wasted on this project was spent reworking things that did not work out exactly the way we planned. Also, the engineering ate up a big chunk of time. I think (given the correct doner cars) we could duplicate this project, makeing all the changes that hindsight allows, for right around 200 to 225K.
Shall I put you down for two??? :-)
Also, at that price we might be able to incorporate a carbon fiber hood, deck lid, door skins and fenders. I have been working on this for a while. I have been developing a carbon fiber structural foam core laminate that should produce extremely light parts that are far more rigid than carbon fiber alone.
syborg tt
11-29-2005, 07:51 AM
Hi TT,
Actually, doing it the second time would require a bit less time. A lot of the time wasted on this project was spent reworking things that did not work out exactly the way we planned. Also, the engineering ate up a big chunk of time. I think (given the correct doner cars) we could duplicate this project, makeing all the changes that hindsight allows, for right around 200 to 225K.
Shall I put you down for two??? :-)
Fairly Certain i would end up in Divorse Court.
Fairly Certain i would end up in Divorse Court.
Well... Thats why you have to order two. :-)
Hi All,
Don't know if any of you have seen the "Wizards of Winter" video that has been circulating about the net lately, but it is pretty cool. We have loaded a version on the "amusing bits" page of our website. If you get the time you really should check it out.
OBTW, happy holidays to all. Hope that for x-mas you all get the Mustang upgrade you've been dreaming about all year. :-)
Hi All,
It's a new month and sit is starting off well.
At the website we have lots of new photos of the FINISHED paint on the shell.
WO HOO!!!!
Now we can start assembly in ernest.
Hi All,
AAAUUUUGGGHHH!!!!
Their coming tomorrow. Their Coming Tomorrow, THEIR COMING TOMORROW!!!!
The camera crew from V8TV is coming tomorrow to start shooting the car and WE ARE NOT READY. We have to clean up the shop, hang some banners, and a whole **&@$load of other things.
Can’t talk now. Gotta go. You will probably not hear from me until Monday. Have a nice weekend.
Oh BTW, we are currently looking for a body man. Go to the bottom of the websites home page for details.
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907rs
12-02-2005, 09:23 AM
Good luck, Bob. I hope everything works out for you. :thumbsup:
Cool, let us know how the V8TV stuff goes. :thumbsup:
RussMS
12-02-2005, 12:10 PM
Good Luck Bob!
Love how the project is going. Keep us posted when you can. :thumbsup:
We shot the SN65 today... what a friggin' awesome car. To see this thing in person is just a mind blower. We were extremely honored to have the opportunity to point our camera at the car.
Personally, I think one of the best attributes of this car is that it looks like it was built new on a Ford production line. The quaility is 1st rate. There is no visible structural transition between the '65 and the Cobra. Bob and Wayne are really doing an incredible job. The Cobra dash looks like it was made for the '65 shell, and the use of all the Ford systems makes the car even more unique. I could go on for days.
I'll keep the board posted on when the V8TV episode with this car airs.
- Kevin Oeste
Hi All,
Wayne and I have been pretty busy this week. We have been able to work on the car a little, but other maters have been putting demands on our time. :-(
Even so, Wayne has wet sanded and applied the final coat of clear to the doors.
I have been working on installing the interior. I have fit the lower rear interior panels. I cannot fit the upper vent panels until the outside vent assemblies are installed. I have wired up the door ajar switches (pretty cool, they work exactly as the 03 setup with the delay on the drivers side. When you open the drivers door the interior lights don't go off until you close the door, insert and turn the key). I have installed the new carpet and fit the seats (including wiring them up). It is interesting to note that the passenger side is different from the drivers side. This is something that I never really paid attention to. That being the case, I have to relocate the passenger side seat mounting bracket about one inch. This will move the seat a bit closer to the center console giving the passenger a bit more shoulder clearance on the door side. I have the headliner hung, but not glued yet and I have mounted the subwoofer.
Once Wayne gives me the go-a-head on mounting the doors, I will be able to assemble the door internals, locate the window/door lock switches and the speakers.
Tonight is the company X-mass party. I am looking forward to having a good time. As always, I hope the same for you and yours.
Catch ya'll l8r
Thanks for the update, Bob. :thumbsup:
Hi All,
Wayne made some decent headway on the sanding and buffing of the roof and pillars this weekend. He just has to do a little more buffing and hand glazing and these areas will be done.
I, on the other hand, did nothing exciting save watching the Bears lose to the Steelers. The game may have been disappointing, but it did give me some time to catch up on a few car periodicals. One of the things I noticed is that the fascination with huge diameter rims tucked up as far as possible under the fenders and quarters is still prevalent in the hobby. Fords, Chevys and Mopars alike are all getting the same treatment. This practice is starting to ware a little thin on me. The cars are starting to appear somewhat cartoonish in nature. Also, I do not consider rims over 17" in diameter to be suitable for performance applications. Should not form follow function?
We are currently planning on 17" rims for our project. Personally, I think that these look rather massive on this car and that bumping them up in size would take us away from our overall theme. Even so, people have been dropped me notes saying that the car deserves something a bit larger, say 19's in the front and 20's in the back.
As with everything else on this project, we are going to go counter to the current trend. Hopefully, this decision, as well as all the others we have made, will help bring the car together into a cohesive, fully functioning, reliable, enjoyable to drive, street performance package.
With that said, I have to get back to work. I just went over our check list and we still have a long row to hoe before we are done.
Catch ya'll l8r
syborg tt
12-12-2005, 01:30 PM
I agree on the wheel combo. If you do it correctly 17" or even 18" rims will look very ncie.
The benifit of doing a staggered size rim and tire you can do an 18" with a 3.75" sidewall on the rear (25.5 tall) and a 17" 3.75" sidewall on the front (24.5 tall) and have a very nice balanced look.
I've seen the car in person and it really doens't matter what size tires you go with as long as you don't use 15's.
RussMS
12-12-2005, 02:20 PM
Bob:
I agree with your assessment on the 17" tires. 'Cartoonish' is one of the best descriptions I have heard for the extreme oversized rims with 1/2 inch of actual rubber to the road.
Love the project and thanks for the update. :thumbsup:
907rs
12-12-2005, 05:47 PM
Bob, that car is the epitome of Pro- touring. Keep the 17's, or go with 18's. I wouldn't go any bigger than that.
Hi All,
Yesterday we went over our list and prioritized things. Wayne's main focus, as always, will remain on the remaining paint/bodywork. So, unfortunately for him, it will be more of the same. Sand and paint, sand and paint, sand and paint, sand and buff.
For me, it means all things mechanical. yesterday I modified the stamped aluminum sill plates to fit. There was some bending and cutting and some more bending. I will show you some photos when it is time to install them. Also, I had to prepare everything for the windows to go in. That meant that I had to alter (smack with a big MF'n hammer) the angle of the sun visor mounting brackets so that the 03 visors would sit parallel to the windshield opening. Wayne got me started, making sure that I understood the consequences if I missed my mark and hit the roof by accident.
This morning I need to install all the remaining windshield trim retaining clips . A relatively easy task once I locate and drill all the holes. I need to finish this, and get the headliner stretched, so that the glass guy can get the windshields installed.
So, by the end of the day, we should have the headliner and the front and rear glass installed (among a few smaller incidental items).
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
New update at the website. Maybe today I can get the doors, along with most of the internals installed. :-)
Hi All,
Sorry I haven't been posting a lot lately. I have been so busy with the car, business, x-mass parties, etc... that it is tough to find time to sleep never the less anything else. :-)
Anyway... We have been making steady progress on SN65. Right now it is the doors that are consuming all our time. As I have stated before, it's the little things that bring me the greatest satisfaction. For example....
We wanted to use the door cylinder from the 03 Cobra. We wanted all the locks to function with the ignition key. Wayne went and modified the door to accept the 03 cylinder and I went about installing all the internal mechanisms. All was going well until we ran into a little snag. Unfortunately for us, the 03 cylinder does not function the same way as the 65. The 65 lock has only two positions. All the way down for lock and all the way up for unlock. The 03 lock has three positions. All the way down for lock and all the way up for unlock, but the lock always comes to rest in the center. The 03 cylinder is designed to function with a electrical relay while the 65 is designed to work mechanically. We stood around and scratched our heads for a while. We went home and slept on it. We came in and gave it some more thought, when we finally hit on a workable solution. Here is a photo of the installed linkage.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/05-12-20%20019.jpg
What we did was linked together two rods that would slide over each other until they hit a stop. This allows the 03 cylinder to function mechanically. What happens is you turn the key to lock the door and it pushes the lower stop down to lock the door. When you rotate the lock back to the center position to remove the key, the rods slide over each other leaving the door locked. When you rotate the key to unlock the door, it lifts the upper stop up to unlock the door and then the rods slide over each other leaving the door unlocked.
It is a rather simple mechanism, but I have to say that I am thrilled at the way it functions. Yes the guy's in the shop make fun of me. It is nothing that anyone will see or even notice for that matter. But every time that I use the key (which will be rarely if ever, seeing as the car has a remote lock and unlock function) it will bring a smile to my face.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
When we started this project, many of you thought we were whacked, loony, psycho, off our nut, certifiable, ready for the rubber room, etc…
Well, for those naysayer’s out there, take a look at this.
http://sn65.com/SN65%20chronological%20order%2005-12.htm
Read the 12-24-05 update.
Hi All,
New update at the site.
Also, did anyone see the new Hot Rod mag. There is an article about the Ring bro's new car (the one that made it to the final five in the Good Guy's streat machine of the year comp).
Anyway....
They made a comment about wanting the car to look as if it were built in the factory....
Well, maybe that is what they wanted, but to me the car looks, pretty much, like your typical pro touring car. Don't get me wrong. The car is a killer car. I love some of the small details and the article is one of my favorites (I find myself picking up the mag just to re-read the article). I also have to give them props for dialing down the "bling" factor. I really like the look and feel of this car far better than their two previous attempts, but they are still following the basic "pro street" template.
Maybe someone should turn them on to this thread just to show them what a real "factory" custom looks like. :-)
syborg tt
12-27-2005, 02:13 PM
Also, did anyone see the new Hot Rod mag. There is an article about the Ring bro's new car (the one that made it to the final five in the Good Guy's streat machine of the year comp).
I agree - very nice car
Hi All,
Yesterday we got a lot done in regard to assembling the doors, but we still have a way to go. There is only one thing that is holding us up right now. We need to find the material used to bond the stainless steel trim pieces to the drivers and passenger side glass. The material appears to be some type of fiber impregnated with some sort of rubberized material.
Any Clues???
Here are some photos of the wing window assembly and the door handles mounted to the car. You will note that we have left the door lock black with a silver center section. We were originally going to make it all silver, but decided that the black fit in well with the "black" exposed rubber trim around the door handles.
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/06-01-11%20(1).jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/06-01-11%20(2).jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/06-01-11%20(6).jpg
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/06-01-11%20(8).jpg
With that said, I have a little announcement....
THE SN65 WILL BE ON V8TV TONIGHT!!!
If you have the Dish Network, it can be seen on the Men's Channel. The show should air on Wednesdays at 10:30 PM eastern, 9:30 PM Central and 8:30 PM Pacific time.
For those who are not fortunate to have access to the Dish Network, you will be able to get a copy of the show directly from V8TV sometime after the show airs.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
We have been moving along quite well. We have the fenders, hood and headlight buckets mounted. We have spent a lot of time re-aligning the doors, fenders hood, etc... to give us the most consistent gaps. We have all the door internals complete save the installation of the glass. The "glass guy" will be showing up on Saturday and spending the entire day installing the front and rear glass along with the trim.
Today we will be checking all the fluids and bleeding the breaks. We will also be rerouting the clutch cable and installing a new firewall adjuster and aluminum quadrant. The factory items don't give us the proper throughout adjustment on the CenterForce clutch. We will be installing the front valance and working up the front bumper mounting brackets.
After we get the bumpers installed and properly aligned, we will be sending them out to be re-chromed. The quality of the chrome on the re-pro items just sucks. There are all these tiny little pin pricks that reflect when the light hits them just so.
On another note, I talked with the powers that be at the Detroit Autoramma. They tell me that our project sounds interesting, but it probably will not be considered for the "Ridler" award. We figured as much, but the reason he gave me was a little surprising. The fellow said that it the award emphasizes "creativity, engineering and workmanship" He felt that our project might fall short on the "engineering" side. I believe that he really did not understand the scope of the project. He probably believes that we just cut two cars apart and welded them together. From his point of view, we really did not "create" or "engineer" anything. All we did was graft two cars together. Nothing that requires any engineering. It is not as if we designed the car from scratch....
I believe that this is the way the project comes across to those who are not aware of everything involved. Just like Kevin from V8TV. What he thought he was going to see and what he actually saw were two different things. People have seen way to many photos of cars where the actual car is nowhere near as nice as the photo. It always brings a smile to my face when people stop by the shop for a peek. everyone (so far) has been totally blown away. They may just be trying to be nice, but I prefer to believe that they are really taken by the project.
That said, for us to have any hope at the Autoramma we have to stop publishing photos of the car. The car actually looks like a car right now and they have rather firm requirements that the car not be published in its finished form.
So, what do you all think. Should I keep publishing the as built shots, or stop for the off hand possibility of Ridler consideration?
Catch ya'll l8r
TonyG
01-17-2006, 03:06 PM
Hi RR,
Thanks for the kind words and good luck with your project. Drop me a line if you need any help.
Before you start, I should say that this has taken a LOT more time and effort than we originally thought. I was a bit optomistic on the time it would take at the start. I figured 2 guys owrking full time could knock it out in about 3 months. Afterall, how tough could it be???
Well... 12 months and 2,500 man hours later, we are just about complete.
If you do decide to go ahead, I will be happy to help you avoid some of the major issues we had. Also, having access to a fram rack and laser measuring system helps. :-)
If you want to get a feel for all involved, follow the link below.... If you dare. :unibrow:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134855&page=1&pp=25
Also, we would be happy to help you build one just like it. We can do all the dirty grunt / structural / body / paint work and you can do all the fun assembly installation work. If you are interested, just give us a call at 630-762-0387. Just for grins I have attached a current photo of our shop. Please note that this an actual working bodyshop, not American Hot Rod. :-)
Bob
Hey Bob, This is "Tony 96 Cobra" from SVTP. I figured your car would be over here too; if not I was going to link it..lol.
syborg tt
01-17-2006, 03:18 PM
So, what do you all think. Should I keep publishing the as built shots, or stop for the off hand possibility of Ridler consideration?
It's to late, in order to be considered for the Ridler you are not allowed to post pics of the car during it's construction. Since you've already done that just keep posting the pics.
Plus if you stop posting pics then people will stop coming to this thread. Even if people don't post they are at least looking at the car.
It's to late, in order to be considered for the Ridler you are not allowed to post pics of the car during it's construction. Since you've already done that just keep posting the pics.
Plus if you stop posting pics then people will stop coming to this thread. Even if people don't post they are at least looking at the car.
Hi S,
The rules are so vague. This is all it says and you can read it a hundred different ways.
1) The vehicle must make its first public showing at the Detroit Autorama. Showing the vehicle at any indoor or outdoor show or any part of the frame, engine or body will make it ineligible for contention.
2) Realizing that car owners and builders may need some form of exposure to develop interest or to gain sponsorship and give credit to suppliers and/or sponsors, magazine and video buildup coverage is allowed. No articles, video footage or stories with photos of the vehicle in finished form will be allowed until after the award has been presented, i.e. car cannot be painted or upholstered to be considered as finished.
In rule #2 it says that "...magazine and video buildup coverage is allowed". It also says that "No articles, video footage or stories with photos of the vehicle in finished form will be allowed..."
The question is, what is the finished form. Is it OK if you show a photo of the car totally assembled but unpainted. Is it OK to show a photo of the car totally painted but not completely assembled? Is it OK to show the exterior totally assembled but without the interior completed? What if everything was complete, but you did not have the bumperrs on. Is that OK?
I read the rule and, to me, it means that as long as the car is not 100% finished, it is OK to show photos.
The rule cannot possibly mean that no photos of any painted assemblies are allowed.
syborg tt
01-18-2006, 08:22 AM
Thats a tuff one - i agree if you don't show the finished project to the Net then you should be okay. I have about 800 pictures of the build of the Grandmaster prior to it being unvailaled at Detroit. If you want to play it safe post all of your pics up till the completion and debut it at the show.
Your goal was to debut it at the show and i am certain that has not changed. If you play it safe and don't show the world the finished product then you could argue that you want to be considered.
TravisB
01-18-2006, 08:44 AM
The rule cannot possibly mean that no photos of any painted assemblies are allowed.
this is my understanding unfortunatly.
Have you ever been to detroit Bob? In all honesty what you have done is very cool and most would never think to do anything like it. You have executed it very well, and should be proud of what you have built. But even if the car was allowed to be entered it isn't going to be anythng the judges will be interested in.......looking back at the last 5 cars that have one...they have all been 750k + purpose built street rods that have taken years to complete that are only designed for one thing to win the riddler! However it is your decision I do hope to see it at detroit but if it were mine i'm not sure I would sign it up as a riddler entry...
this is my understanding unfortunatly. Have you ever been to detroit Bob? In all honesty what you have done is very cool and most would never think to do anything like it. You have executed it very well, and should be proud of what you have built. But even if the car was allowed to be entered it isn't going to be anythng the judges will be interested in.......looking back at the last 5 cars that have one...they have all been 750k + purpose built street rods that have taken years to complete that are only designed for one thing to win the riddler! However it is your decision I do hope to see it at detroit but if it were mine i'm not sure I would sign it up as a riddler entry...
Hi T,
Thank you for the kind words.
I agree with your comment about "But even if the car was allowed to be entered it isn't going to be anythng the judges will be interested in" I have looked back over the winners over the past 25 years and custom street rods are king.
I really did not have any expectations as far as actually winning. But I have noticed that they do tend to select a car other than a street rod for the great 8. That would be my greatest achievment to date. For examples sake, the car that won the Good Guys street machine of the year was a Ridler finalist.
Also, I love custom street rods as much as the next guy, but honestly, isn't there a 60's 70's 80's 90's custom car built that has just as much "creativity, engineering and workmanship". As far as the Autoramma is concerned, only two cars (a pro street Grand Am and a custom Mercedies <sp>) were deserving of the award.
It is time for builders of our types of cars to push the envelope. Our cars are just as creative, just as complex and exhibit just quality worksmanship. Isn't part of "creativity" coming up with something different. Breaking new ground. Taking a different slant on old trends.
How about building a street rod that meets all of todays production requirements. If Detroit were produceing street rods today, what would they be like? If WWII never happened, what would the cars of the 50's been like. If the fuel crissis never happend, what would the cars of the 70's been like.
Regardless of cost, it is time for us to show that our cars can show just as "creativity, engineering and workmanship" as any 30's street rod.
Smack_talker
01-18-2006, 01:47 PM
Detroit did build a late model "street rod"...the Prowler. It didnt sell very well. I agree that muscle cars or sixties cars dont get any respect for the Riddler. If its not a street rod they dont get it. I think your car is a great out of the box example. I would love to see it in person someday. :thumbsup:
Detroit did build a late model "street rod"...the Prowler. It didnt sell very well. I agree that muscle cars or sixties cars dont get any respect for the Riddler. If its not a street rod they dont get it. I think your car is a great out of the box example. I would love to see it in person someday. :thumbsup:
Hi S,
The Prowler. I had totally forgot about that car.
That is the perfect example.
Imagine if Dodge never built the Prowler. Imagine if, instead, that car were built by one of us. A car that incorporated all the functions and features of the Prowler and built in a way that simulated factory construction. A custom car that satisfies ALL of the current production car requirements. A custom car that in fact could actually be built on a production basis. Imagine taking it to the Autoramma making the great 8 and then taking the Ridler.
That would be something different. IMO that would be a car deserving of the Ridler.
TonyG
01-20-2006, 05:25 PM
Didn't Chip Foose build a street rod that was AWD here a few yrs back.. Looked similar to a Prowler red/silver if I remember correctly. Actually, I don't think it was Foose that built it. I don't remember..lol
srh3trinity
01-20-2006, 07:46 PM
Are you talking about Quadradeuce II ( I believe Quadraduece I was an AWD Roadster that was purple and yellow with yellow wheels). I believe it was built by Trepanier.
Hi All,
Today the glass goes in. I am really pumped. This is the last major item prior to installing the interior. Wish us luck.
Bob
PS: All this talk of the "Ridler" has been fun. But the Ridler is not something you actually enter, but something for which you are chosen. I hope that all the comments, both yea and nea, have given everybody food for thought. That maybe some of the comments here will inspire you to look at your car project a little differently than the current status quo. Be different, take chances. Just because everyone else does things in a certain way, does not mean that you have to.
TonyG
01-22-2006, 07:49 PM
I don't think so. I think this one was on the cover of Jegs or Summit at one time. I am pretty sure it was red/silver with billet wheels.. I may be mistaken. I will try to search for it.
Are you talking about Quadradeuce II ( I believe Quadraduece I was an AWD Roadster that was purple and yellow with yellow wheels). I believe it was built by Trepanier.
race-rodz
01-22-2006, 09:43 PM
i think the quadraduece was originally one of steilows projects, summit took it over and finished it in the purple and yellow paint scheme, rad rides refreshed the car a couple years ago, changing the 6 spd to an auto, adding billet wheels, and changing the paint to the 2 tone red/silver making it more "street rod" styled.
Diognes56
01-22-2006, 11:44 PM
Hi All,
Today the glass goes in. I am really pumped. This is the last major item prior to installing the interior. Wish us luck.
Bob
That is awsome. I can't wait to see it complete :thumbsup: .
David
i think the quadraduece was originally one of steilows projects, summit took it over and finished it in the purple and yellow paint scheme, rad rides refreshed the car a couple years ago, changing the 6 spd to an auto, adding billet wheels, and changing the paint to the 2 tone red/silver making it more "street rod" styled.
Hi RR,
I thought the quadraduece was built completely by RadRides. Am I mistaken on this one?
907rs
01-24-2006, 08:33 AM
Hi RR,
I thought the quadraduece was built completely by RadRides. Am I mistaken on this one?
As I recall, Stielow built the car for Summit when he worked for them. Troy refreshed the car a few years back.
syborg tt
01-24-2006, 08:56 AM
i concur because i helped summit / some magazine editor source the drivetrain for the first version.
http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8567%22
Hi All,
I am in desperate need of 65 fastback front and rear NOS window moldings.
Anyone have a clue??? I am getting desperate.
If I did not say it already, I am a bit desperate. :-)
Bob
I order all my Ford NOS from these guys.
www.allclassicmustang.com
Hi all,
There is a short article about our build on the V8 TV website.
http://v8tv.truckworld.com/tenartic...aid=2455&sid=96
I got a kick out of this comment "We had to see it to believe it. Bob and Wayne Julian are a special breed of car builders... meticulous, creative, enthusiastic... and maybe a little crazy!"
Hi All,
New update at the site.
Also, Forgeline heard we were having wheel fitment issues and have decided to help us out with a cusom set of their 3 piece competition wheels. I just sent them off the dimensional data and they are going to create a wheel that has the proper offsets and backspacing. The neet thing is that I will be able to use the SVT centers on the new rims.
Bob
syborg tt
02-08-2006, 10:26 PM
if you want to borrow the wheel backspacing tool i can drop it off at Dave's on Friday. It hit my wheels dead on.
if you want to borrow the wheel backspacing tool i can drop it off at Dave's on Friday. It hit my wheels dead on.
Marty 630 234 2488
Hi Marty,
Thank you very much for the offer, but after checking all the dim's on all 4 wheels, we are pretty sure we have it just right.
I was very impresses. When we checked the front and rear spacing from side to side the measurements were identical. Not only that, but the front spacing was the same at all four corners.
I know Wayne was being a bit anal about the bodywork, but I would have expected to see some variation in the alignment of the body to the chassis. Right now there is no measureable difference, at least as far as a tape measure can tell. :-)
syborg tt
02-09-2006, 07:45 AM
Hi Marty,
Thank you very much for the offer, but after checking all the dim's on all 4 wheels, we are pretty sure we have it just right.
I was very impresses. When we checked the front and rear spacing from side to side the measurements were identical. Not only that, but the front spacing was the same at all four corners.
I know Wayne was being a bit anal about the bodywork, but I would have expected to see some variation in the alignment of the body to the chassis. Right now there is no measureable difference, at least as far as a tape measure can tell. :-)
Your Welcome - that's very cool on the measurements. I amy try to stop by in the next couple weeks
Hi All,
This weekend we had the SN65's suspension dialed in. The car has been set up with 1.75 negative camber up front and .5 negative in the rear. Caster has been set to 7.5 positive front. The toe has been set to .125 out at the front and 1.25 in at the rear. Front to rear weight distribution is 55.5% front to 44.5% rear. Weight distribution from front left to rear right and from front right to rear left is exactly 50%. Total weight of the car is currently 3,552 lbs.
The tech that set up the car said that it should perform very well on any road course. He also said that he was very impressed with the accuracy of the front clip fabrication. When he was finished with the front end adjustments, the caster camber plates were, for all intents and purposes, mirror images of each other. He also said that it is very impressive that the car ended up with a 50/50 weight distribution from corner to corner.
He also made comment on the chassis overall stiffness. He saw no subframe connectors, or any other stiffening members, and wanted to know how we got the chassis so stiff. From his jacking the car up and down, adjusting the coil over setup, etc. he felt that this was one of, if not the most, rigid platforms he had ever worked on. We explained what we had done and asked what he thought of the results. He said che was vey impressed and that the results will speek for themselves once we got some track time.
He also said that the car was lighter than he would have imagined. All of the structure we added, the stereo system, the soundproofing, the heavy all steel hood, etc. should have made the car heavier than the original Cobra and yet we were about 130 lbs lighter. I told him that I was a bit disapointed in that I was shooting for somewhere in the 3,200 to 3,300 lbs range.
Catch ya'll l8r
Hi All,
This post really has nothing to do with the SN65 project, but…..
My brother just got word that State Farm is revising their authorized shop programs. They are consolidating all their programs into one and eliminating all shops that do not complete a specific number of repairs per month.
According to them, we are under the number required. From what I understand, the only shops that can qualify are those with multiple facilities.
Their decision has nothing to do with the quality of the work performed. Their decision has nothing to do with customer satisfaction. And while they will not come out and say it, their decision is based on cost and cost alone.
Also, they are “steering” business to the shops that will perform the repairs in the fastest, least expensive manner possible.
For those who don’t know “steering” is when you (as the customer) tell them that you want your car repaired by a specific shop but they tell you that your repair will not be covered unless you take it to an “authorized” facility. This of course is a load of crap.
I am sorry, but this is really pissing me off. We have worked long and hard to provide our customers with timely, quality repairs. And just because we don’t meet a specific quota, we are kicked out of the program.
So, how is the little guy supposed to get any collision work when the insurance companies are steering business away from small local shops? It is really hard enough to keep a business running without large insurance companies controlling what shop gets the work.
So…. Next time you need your car repaired, think long and hard about the shop you take it to. DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY TAKE IT TO ONE ON THEIR LIST. While I am sure some of the shops do a quality job, you have to remember why they are on the list in the first place. Also, do not be scared off if they tell you that your repair will not be covered. If there is something wrong with your repair all the insurance company does is direct you back to the shop that did the repair.
Bob
PS: So come, one and all, to Julian’s Collision Center. If you live in the Chicagoland area, and are covered by a major carrier, and have your car towed to Julian’s Collision Center for repair, we will cover all charges. We will also offer one and all easy payment terms on your deductible. I am sorry of this post violates any forum bylaws, but I am sick and tired of big business constantly crushing the little guy.
syborg tt
02-15-2006, 02:28 PM
did i tel you how much i dislike insurance company's. I've just spent the last week on the phone try to make sure my truck is covered even though it's only a storage policy.
Also my brother-n-law had Alstate do the same to him. You must take it to one of our preferred '$hithole places and here they are 6 months later and the car still isn't right.
It's just another case of the big guy trying to screw the little guy.
did i tel you how much i dislike insurance company's. I've just spent the last week on the phone try to make sure my truck is covered even though it's only a storage policy.
Also my brother-n-law had Alstate do the same to him. You must take it to one of our preferred '$hithole places and here they are 6 months later and the car still isn't right.
It's just another case of the big guy trying to screw the little guy.
Hi S,
Actually, you CAN take your car to ANY shop you want. They TELL you that they cannot guarantee the repair, but that is a load of crap. It is just their way of scareing the customer into taking the car to a shop that they have negotiated a sweetheart "deal" with.
Also, did you know that Alstate owns a lot of the collision centers that they refer you to. Is that a conflict of interest or what. Their goal (and you have already confirmed it) is to get the car out the door for the least amount of money possible. Are the repairs performed correctly? You tell me. Can you get them to fix it after the fact? Probably not.
So... If you want the car repaired correctly, take it to a shop that does quality work and tell the insurance company to shove their "perfered" shop list up their collective butts.
syborg tt
02-16-2006, 06:57 AM
So... If you want the car repaired correctly, take it to a shop that does quality work and tell the insurance company to shove their "perfered" shop list up their collective butts.
I would say what they do is a conflict of interest and i could agree more with your closing statement.
sinned
02-16-2006, 07:30 AM
Bob, did I read that correctly? You are running 1.25" of toe in on the rear! As in 1 and a 1/4", not a typo like .125" maybe?
Bob, did I read that correctly? You are running 1.25" of toe in on the rear! As in 1 and a 1/4", not a typo like .125" maybe?
Oops...
You are right. Just a typo. .125 is correct.
Although....
Maybe 1.25 may help when backing in and out of small parking spaces at the local White Hen. Seeing as we are going to be pulling this car in and out of tight spaces at the mall and grocery store, maybe we should consider the change. :-)
Hi All,
Josh, of the Daily Herald, is going to write an article about the SN65 project. He asked me if I knew anyone, other than us, he could talk to about the project, I thought of all of you.
So...
I would greatly appreciate it if you would give Josh a call at 630-587-8626 and tell him your honest opinion of the project, good, bad or otherwise.
Thanks Bob
OBTW, He would really like to talk to those who are coming to the open house from outside of IL. Here is your chance for your 15 minutes of fame. :-)
Hi All,
We have run into a little snag on the project pushing the completion date out to the beginning of next week.
So...
We are going to have to reschedule the open house to sometime after the Detroit show (the first weekend of March)
Sorry about the mix up.
That being the case, we will be working on the car this Saturday, so please e-mail me at
[email protected] if you wish to stop by and see it in progress. Seeing as we will still be working on the car, we can only allow for a small number of people. For those wishing to stop by we will be able to show the car from 9 to noon.
I am sorry about having to reschedule the get together. We were really looking forward to meeting all of you and showing the finished car.
Bob
comp-spec
02-21-2006, 04:25 PM
Hi S,
Actually, you CAN take your car to ANY shop you want. They TELL you that they cannot guarantee the repair, but that is a load of crap. It is just their way of scareing the customer into taking the car to a shop that they have negotiated a sweetheart "deal" with.
Also, did you know that Alstate owns a lot of the collision centers that they refer you to. Is that a conflict of interest or what. Their goal (and you have already confirmed it) is to get the car out the door for the least amount of money possible. Are the repairs performed correctly? You tell me. Can you get them to fix it after the fact? Probably not.
So... If you want the car repaired correctly, take it to a shop that does quality work and tell the insurance company to shove their "perfered" shop list up their collective butts.
:thumbsup:
Holly (@$(&@$&!!!!!!!
I just took the SN65 out for a spin (only around the block) and I am totally blown away. Every fear I had about lackluster acceleration, poor ride quality, misc. rattles, sluggish handling, etc.... has been officially laid to rest.
This car is a real screamer. :-)
When I pulled it out of the shop, I told myself to take it easy. We still have to log about 500 miles before the new clutch setup is fully broke in and I was really concerned over loose nuts and bolts, etc... After all, we did have every last nut and bolt off the car at one point or another.
I eased into the throttle and the car pulled away very smooth and responsive. Slight changes in the throttle gave me a feeling that the car will pull really well. The handling was phenomenal. Going around a couple corners at moderate speeds gave me the feeling that the car was on rails. The cockpit is just tight enough to give you a nice secure feel without being cramped.
The ride quality was a major concern of mine. We eliminated quite a few rubber components and replaced them with Delron and aluminum. I was really afraid that these changes would make the ride overly harsh and noisy, but the ride was surprisingly smooth.
The sound from the exhaust was just perfect. The car produces a nice mellow rumble at idle and a throaty growl under moderate acceleration.
Speaking of "moderate" acceleration. When the car is rolling along at about 35 to 40, if we just pop the throttle up to about 1/5 to 3/4 acceleration, the tires tend to break free. The F1's are a bit worn, but they still have a bit of tread left. I thought they would hold better. I guess the real test will be with the new rims and Toyo's rolling.
I really did not want to bring the car back to the shop. I just wanted to drive off into the sunset. It is the most fun I have had in a car ever, and it only lasted about 3 to 5 minutes. It is going to drive me nuts having this thing sitting here and not being able to drive fit.
I want to drive it to a couple of Ford dealers in the area just for an oil change. I want to drive it to a couple of exotic car dealers and take a few people for a test drive.
Speaking of test drives, I really want to be able to take some of you out for a spin. I wish I could take all of you, but time will not allow. Mark my words. If any of you who have been following this thread, ever come up to me at a car show, and we can arrange for some time on the road, we will do it.
Better yet, when we do the power tour, we will be happy to swap passengers with others on the trip. After all, If you get to ride in our car, we get to ride in yours.
Well, I have to get back to work. We have lots of little details yet to finish before the unveiling at the Autoramma.
Bob
RussMS
02-24-2006, 07:33 AM
Sounds like a fun ride Bob.
If ever yall are headed down to the deep South, I will definately take you up on that ride.
Now we just need to see a little video of it in action once you get everything broke in good. :thumbsup:
Wow, awesome, Bob! Congrats on making the first voyage in her!
I'd definitely love to get a ride in it.
Smack_talker
02-24-2006, 08:17 AM
sounds like a awesome maiden voyage :thumbsup: Pencil me in for a ride and I should be on Hot Rod Power Tour 2006 too. :yes:
69MyWay
02-24-2006, 08:40 AM
I have been following this build and am impressed beyond words. I am thrilled for you. That first ride is the one you don't forget anytime soon. It only gets better from here.
I can't wait to see the final photos.
Diognes56
02-24-2006, 03:19 PM
Congrats man :thumbsup: . I am sure you will enjoy the hell out of it :yes: . It will definitely turn some heads, and probably confuse the Ford dealership :rofl: .
David
Hi All,
We are getting ready to leave for the Autoramma. As we get closser and closser to the deadline, we find ourselves rushing around trying to complete all the final details. The car is finished save one or two final details. It is the cleaning and detailing that has running around right now.
Wish us luck.
Hope to see you at the show.
Full detailes will be posted next week, or durring the show if I have time and we have access to the net.
Bob
Hydratech®
03-04-2006, 09:30 AM
Amazing! I spent a solid hour checking out the SN65 Project, mostly because I was just simply blown away with the level of craftsmanship and detail of this ultra stellar build! You just simply could not determine where the old met the new, as the execution was just perfectly seemless. When I first saw this project in the members section a while back, I was intrigued by the concept, though honestly didn't give it much thought afterwards. Then lo and behold, I stumbled across the finished masterpiece at the '06 Detroit Autorama last night and found myself just truly amazed! Talented, gifted, supreme mastery of craftsmanship, incredible attention to every possible detail, visionary - these are all the terms that come to mind now when I think of this project!
And here they are! :hail:
http://www.hydratechbraking.com/images/julianbros.jpg
BTW - Two of the nicest guys you'll ever meet too! :thumbsup:
Smack_talker
03-04-2006, 05:31 PM
ok...enough with the tease. I wanna see alot more pics of it. :wow:
Diognes56
03-04-2006, 06:53 PM
We NEED MORE PICS!!! :drool:
David
Hi All,
Just enough time to say that there are new photos at the site. I will be posting an update soon.
Bob
RussMS
03-06-2006, 09:19 AM
Man that car looks great!
Thanks for updating the eye candy over on your site :thumbsup:
TravisB
03-06-2006, 09:21 AM
Guys this is a quality car me and kenny talked to bob at detroit and went over the car....they did a nice job on it! :thumbsup:
Hi All,
Still working on the website, but.....
I don't know if you are interested or not, but there are a few new additions to the video section. In one of them, you can see Wayne put the car gingerly through its paces. Just remember, he only had about 60 feet to work with and he was taking it easy. He made this video while I was out to lunch. That is the last time I leave him alone with the keys. :-)
Bob
CAMAROBOY69
03-10-2006, 02:56 PM
THanks for letting us know about the update. Always cool to see the cars being put to good use. I love seeing them driven. :thumbsup: It was also cool seeing the power windows in action. :)
Hi All,
I think that it is time to sign off on the SN65 project thread. We are all complete, save a few minor items to chase down.
Posting this thread here has been a joy. The help received has been priceless. I cannot thank all of you enough.
I will be posting updates on the SN65 website. Mechanical updates, show schedule, track times, etc...
If you are ever in the Chicago area, I expect you to stop by the shop and say hey. And, I can always be reached via e-mail at
[email protected]
http://sn65.com/images/SN65%20Images/06-03-10%20055.jpg
Catch ya'll l8r
Bob
Thanks Bob. It's been a lot of fun following along with the build. It's a kick ass ride. Congrats on the completion. :thumbsup:
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