Air Ride

[SpeedyV10]

I'd like to get peoples opinions on the different manufactures of Air products. I am seriously considering putting the Impala on bags. What are the Pro's and Con's of having a bagged car? What are the differences between manufacturers? I have been quoted 6 grand for a system (Air ride tech), and I have been quoted $1200 for a system (cannot remember mfg. name).

I guess I am more into the simple approach and don't really need auto leveling, and other 'add-on' features.

Please let me know your first hand experiences with different manufacturers, as well as your suggestions regarding bagging the Impy!!!

:lateral:

[wiedemab]

I don't want to speak for the folks at Air Ride, but I will offer my opinion. I have had good luck with their stuff. The items that I tried to skimp on and bought from others have been where I spent most of my time.

I'm also pretty sure the Air Ride folks can get you set up for much less than $6K - especially on an Impala (what year?). I've also had good experiences with Air Ride customer service and tech. I would try to give them a shout and tell them what your budget is and see what they can do.

Their are other companies out there that make parts that I'm sure would work just fine - these are just my experiences.

Brandon

[SpeedyV10]

Thanks for your posting, Brandon! I appreciate the info!!

Oh, BTW... The car is a '61!

[ironworks]

yeah it could be almost 6000, but you buying a arms and rear suspension stuff, not just the air ride stuff. So your getting new ball joints and bushings, new rear control arm bushings. plus all the compressors and stuff for a solid bolt in product. You could bag your car with the old cups and and airbag stuff, but it will take a mont of sundays to get everything like the air ride will bolt on for ya in a decent amount of time.

If you need some help on the price email what you need and I can get you a super competitive price.

Rodger

[wiedemab]

Ahhhhhhhh - '61 - my favorite of the early 60's Chevs

I kick myself for not buying a '61 Biscayne when I had the chance.

Post some pics if you have some.

Later,

Brandon

[SpeedyV10]

Here is a link to a few pics of it at the Car Craft Summer Nationals. I was fortunate enough to be able to showcase it at the Tracktime Motorsports Zaino display:

http://mnfbody.com/showthread.php?t=18453&highlight=1961+impala

I apologize that I do not have smaller pics to post on this forum.

[DHARROD]

I personnally don't have Air-ride however I know a quality full-service restoration shop (one that wants and drives its customers to do what's right) - They recommend Air-ride highly. I have spoken with three of their customers and beyond the quality of the whole car they like/love air-ride. If you haven't already ... you should hit a Goodguys, Super Chevy, or some other event that they have a booth. You can feel and touch their products, sometimes they have a mock car and with out a doubt they can direct you to a customer's car.

Once again .. I'm just using old fashioned shocks and springs :(

[wiedemab]

Wow- that car is beautiful!

[krptonite]

most cars that leave our shop seem to be on air ride these days but after fitting quite a few kits i am on the fence as to whether or not i would install it in my own car, if you are fitting the basic analogue gauge and switches type then there is not much to go wrong and are fairly reliable, i am in the process of doing a 64 impala at the moment and the new control arms look good and fit well but we have several unhappy customers with the digital setups even though they are more expensive, recently we fitted a road scraper type kit on an s10 with twin compressors and tanks with big lines and solenoids to lift or dump quicker and boy have we had problems, the front sway bar mounts on the arms are welded on at the wrong angles so the first time the air was dumped it bent the sway bar bolts into a 'j' shape!! not a big deal to put right but where is the quality control ? these are crucial to a safe vehicle , there were also 4 out of 5 pressure sensors that were faulty and were sending a low pressure signal to the controller which kept the compressors on permanently until they burnt out, i am not knocking air rides warranty though as they will replace parts and really try to help sort the problems , its not all their fault as i would think electrical items and solenoids are bought in from other suppliers.As an installer though we have to eat all the costs for putting the new parts on and have over 600 bucks into the s10 alone! I just think that for 6 g's you could have a pretty trick set of coilovers and have enough left for new suspension arms etc, see if you can take a ride in a vehicle with air to see if you can justify the expense, as the ride never seems to be as smooth as you might think it would be for the cost, but it does look damn cool to dump the car down when parked.
Once again i will say , i am not having a go at air ride just that i have been witness to some scary looking failures of several brands and none seem to have a lasting quality about them especially as a daily driver type vehicle.

[darren@ridetech]

If you are looking for the best of the best then yes, 6g is about right. But you could get a really nice kit for a fair amount less. For example:
SKW1021sa-LUCA Front Shockwaves w/ upper & lower StrongArms $1599
ARR20600-LUCA Rear CoolRide w/ upper and lower StrongArms $899
ARC4100e2 RidePro E2 Comp. kit $1695
Total $4193.

For the extra 2g you would also get the Double adjustable shocks front and rear, front and rear MuscleBar sway bars and the LevelPro compressor system.

We do offer kits that will work with the factory arms as well, but like Ironworks said; if you have to replace the ball joints and bushing anyways you might as well get the tubular stuff.

[Steve1968LS2]

Here's the difference I've seen.

Air Ride Technologies takes their stuff onto the track and beats the snot out of it. And they turn in VERY good lap times.

The other guys.. not so much...

[kennyd]

pro's list for bags are endless
cool look
ground clearance
easy to load car on trailer


con's list , none , unless you talk to someone who has used a "cheap " kit and did not install it correctly !

bags do not blow ,break,go bad , unless installed or operated incorrect .


go air ride company talk to darren or tony

[SpeedyV10]

Thanks very much everybody for the info. I guess it pretty much comes down to the old attage, "You get what you pay for"!!!!!!

Part of me was hoping that I could order a $1500 kit, install it this winter, and play all summer. I know that the right way to do it is to buy quality stuff, and do the job right.

The car maybe see's 1500 or 2000 miles a year so it is a little hard to justify dropping another 4k on it. On the other hand you can't put a price on reliability. I know I would take for granted every time that the system worked properly (especially on a crowded public place), and would be very frustrated and embarrassed if it failed (again in a crowded public place)!!!

[kennyd]

look at a " cool ride kit " for it fron air ride . that uses factory controll arms and for a driver i have had great luck with that kit .

[darren@ridetech]

If you were to get the CoolRide kits and use all of the factory arms with the ARC4100e2 compressor kit you would be looking at around $2750.

[ScotI]

You can also run the 'cool-ride' set-up w/o all the 'high-end' controlling software to save alot.

ART offers lower-end 4whl compressor systems that do most of the same functions, but are manually controlled. Soooo.... they don't have the same 3-position automatic height adjustment, but is it really a requirement on a vehicle that see's limited use?

[michael6372]

first off, i love your car!!! i had air ride on my 63 nova. was the best thing i ever did to that car. i had shockwaves front and rear. no problems whatsoever. car rode like a dream!! infinite adjustability. i will have air ride on every car that i own from now on!! art is the way to go. you won't be disappointed.

[SpeedyV10]

Thanks for the info everybody! I will do a little on-line research and check out the cool ride system.

Anybody had problems with air leaks? Burnt out compressors? Any stories of failed components on a bag system that might leave one stranded, or unable to lift part (all) of a car?

Also- Thanks for the compliments on the car! Even though it is not really a G-machine, I am glad that it is appreciated on this site with so many other wonderful works of art.
:lateral:

[wiedemab]

I've had my car on the road all summer with no problems. I have a very small leak in my system. It is either between the compressor and tank, or the tank and valves. It take it almost 2 days to completely leak down. It is a non issue though while the power is on the compressor because if it did leak down very far while driving the compressor would kick back on.

I was very careful when sealing the fittings and routing my lines. I have had great luck with the DOT air line.

[Pobanz]

Air Ride Tech is the way to go if you are looking for a kit that fits well and functions properly. For the last 6 years I have been installing various brands of air suspension kits as well as fabricating my own. If it's not a cost issue, I would go with Air Ride Tech.
If you would like any more info or need any assistance, you can contact me.
Ryan Pobanz
909-938-9887
[email protected]

[vinz68]

Air Ride Tech is definatly the way to go. I have the level pro street challenge kit in my car and it works very well. I met the Air Ride crew at RTH3 and they are a great bunch of guys. :thumbsup:

[Bad94]

I have installed and uninstalled Air Ride.

1947 Street Rod, used the Ride Pro E set up, one of the first person to buy the orginal set up, i hate it, never works right. I have sent hours and hours on the phone with them, they keep telling me its a ground, i rewired the hole air set up with the guy on the phones, didnt change. I have put a new black box on, never changed. Talked to the guys a NSRA and goodguys, not much help.

I have redone some stuff since this pic.
http://s-seriesforum.com/albums/album203/47_coilovers_004.sized.jpg


1962 Impala, i put my own kit together and never had a problem, car has been all over with this set up.

http://s-seriesforum.com/albums/album114/62_final1_007.sized.jpg

2 450 Comprossers
8 GC Valves
All 1/2 set up
2 5 gal tanks
Air Lift 2b6 bags
KYB shocks
Poly bushings everywere.

We drive the car hellout if this car, and handles like a dream, owner takes it to his house boat in the summer once a month, and does 85-90MPH all the time.


Im doing a 1949 Ford pick up right now, that getting my own kit that im putting together.

Im not real happy with Air Rides customer service, There products arent the best out there.


And for Darren, tony, brent if you read this, and want to try to change some stuff, feel free to send me a PM or email.

Im not tryin to start anything.

[XcYZ]

Thanks for the compliments on the car! Even though it is not really a G-machine, I am glad that it is appreciated on this site with so many other wonderful works of art.
:lateral:

Matt, that's an awesome car. There are definitely a lot of fans of it here on the site, whether it's a 'g-machine' or not. In my opinion, if a car is cool, it's cool, regardless of build style. :thumbsup:

I'm looking forward to seeing it this spring.

[SpeedyV10]

Matt, that's an awesome car. There are definitely a lot of fans of it here on the site, whether it's a 'g-machine' or not. In my opinion, if a car is cool, it's cool, regardless of build style. :thumbsup:

I'm looking forward to seeing it this spring.

Thanks Scott! I have been excited for you to see it! I am tentatively planning to catch up with the Power Tour in June when it goes through southern Minnesota. Perhaps that will be a good time to connect. Also, there is an open invitation for you to come and tour our shop in Minneapolis. Let me know the next time you are in the Twin Cities!

Matt

[RodZ]

The new "AirPod" looks very cool http://www.ridetech.com/airpod.asp

[DriverzInc]

I agree with Steve, AirRide really is the way to go, and they've proved their kits on the track. We are very happy with their kit on our Chevelle. I'll also post a photo of my old Impala, which was also on air. I like it because I could run larger diameter wheels, and could set the ride height where it was best during driving, or at a show. And nothing's cooler than the right stance on an old Impala, tucking big diameter wheels!:yes:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e99/Hensons/Impala_IntroWheels009.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e99/Hensons/Impala_IntroWheels002.jpg

You can see some of their products here: http://www.driverzinc.com/accessories.html or their website: www.ridetech.com

[darren@ridetech]

Bad94,
I think that I know your problem with the 47. Give me a call when you have time. 812-481-4706

[SpeedyV10]

The Airpod looks like a nice piece!

Driverz - that Impala is INCREDIBLE!!

I appreciate hearing the Pro's and Con's of different systems, everybody!

[Tony@AirRideTech]

whether you go with a control arm kit or if you use your factory arms is up to you. Out of the box the plane jane cool ride kit will do amazing things for the 58-64 cars.... gravey bolt in install too... no cutting no welding no nothing. One thing to keep in mind is that on the 58-64 X frame cars, you need to make sure that you use a four wheel independent control system. The X frame cars like to lean.........;)

[Jason@Driverz]

posting some more air ride pics...

http://lh3.google.com/jason.carpediem/RzJC1liu9hI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/4G4aEhLy7t0/s800/Chevelle%20final%20007.jpg

[Radlark]

I have to agree although I have not purchased my air ride kit yet the guys over there are nothing but top notch when it comes to answering questions and offering up great suggestions,they are in the process of developing a kit for the 67-70 Impala it is up on their rack right now. I am pretty excited although I have not rode in an air ride car people that I have spoken to have nothing but great things to say, I will agree that faulty installation is the common denominator to problematic issues. I HAVE A 69 CAPRICE THAT IS AWAITING ONE OF THEIR SYSTEMS (oops sorry for the yellin just so damn excited, plus I have speed dependent volumn on my MAC:lol: ). Although you can find lesser systems out there the old addage of "you get what you pay for" is pretty evident. The guys at ART are :thumbsup:

[bret]

wow. a couple of years ago this would have been a very short thread that dismissed air suspension altogether. Looks like people have been paying attention to our fun at the track. From all of us that get to go to "work" at Air Ride Technologies...thank you!
BTW...you have only seen the beginning.

[SpeedyV10]

whether you go with a control arm kit or if you use your factory arms is up to you. Out of the box the plane jane cool ride kit will do amazing things for the 58-64 cars.... gravey bolt in install too... no cutting no welding no nothing. One thing to keep in mind is that on the 58-64 X frame cars, you need to make sure that you use a four wheel independent control system. The X frame cars like to lean.........;)

Tony - Thanks for the info! Could you educate me a little bit regarding the four wheel independant control system and how that would be a benefit? I figured as long as I could dump the front, then the rear independently, that would suffice. Now you have my technical curiosities flowing!!!

[XcYZ]

Matt, keep us posted on what you decide to do. It could make for a cool online tech/install article for Lateral-g. :thumbsup:

[Tony@AirRideTech]

If you ran a 2 way only system, the air can transfer from air spring to airspring during cornering. 4 wheel independent systems run seperate fill valves for each airspring so there can be no air transfer from side to side. The 58-64 Chevs have an X frame and can accentuate the problem.

[rogue]

While my Continental doesn't quite fit the bill for Lateral-G, it is bagged and I've had it for over a year now with the setup so I can comment a bit. A car that is setup to be a cruiser will do just fine with bags, they are floaty and a bit bouncy. A decent shock setup is a must to counteract that.

That being said, I would never consider bagging my 69 camaro until I could drive a muscle car with a nice proper bag setup on a track.

I can't imagine throwing a car with bags on it around a track but I'd be willing to try it, in someone elses car. :willy: :rofl:

http://lh5.google.com/daign2002/RrIGcpWQ29I/AAAAAAAAAEM/eOV-rF0tFsI/s800/IMG_2303.JPG
http://lh6.google.com/daign2002/RrIGc5WQ2-I/AAAAAAAAAEU/ZIZhkEIaQY8/s800/IMG_2304.JPG
http://lh6.google.com/daign2002/RrIGc5WQ2_I/AAAAAAAAAEc/CBtKqYXb180/s800/IMG_2305.JPG

[darren@ridetech]

Rogue,
Although swapping out a set of coils for air springs will considerably help the ride quality and handling, it will not make it a road racer. You must also upgrade shocks, sway bars, control arms, tires, etc. to really make a car corner well. And like Tony said, make sure you use a 4 way valve. On an extremely heavy car like yours using a 2 way system will allow tons of body roll. Literally.... tons! :)

We are hosting Auto Cross's at many of the GoodGuys events next year. Stop by and we'll give you a ride. I heard that we have scheduled a Steet Challenge Auto Cross for the Costa Mesa, GG show in March. So all of you West Coast guys will get your shot!

[JUSTANOVA]

I have to agree although I have not purchased my air ride kit yet the guys over there are nothing but top notch when it comes to answering questions and offering up great suggestions,they are in the process of developing a kit for the 67-70 Impala it is up on their rack right now. I am pretty excited although I have not rode in an air ride car people that I have spoken to have nothing but great things to say, I will agree that faulty installation is the common denominator to problematic issues. I HAVE A 69 CAPRICE THAT IS AWAITING ONE OF THEIR SYSTEMS (oops sorry for the yellin just so damn excited, plus I have speed dependent volumn on my MAC:lol: ). Although you can find lesser systems out there the old addage of "you get what you pay for" is pretty evident. The guys at ART are :thumbsup:


:woot: that is great news, i have a 70 impala and want to do airride, and was looking at doing the cool ride system maybe next summer but if they do the full on kit with control arms etc i may have to go that route, do you know if they are doing the control arms and everything for these cars?

[darren@ridetech]

We are working on the arms for the 65-70 Impala right now. I'll post some pics as soon as the design is finalized.

[Radlark]

We are working on the arms for the 65-70 Impala right now. I'll post some pics as soon as the design is finalized.

Okay Darren hurry up, my mouth is starting to water!!:yes:

[V8TV]

Watch this Chevelle eat the autocross, and you'll see how a bagged car can do...

http://www.v8tvshow.com/forum/index.php?topic=157.0

[SpeedyV10]

Anybody have clearance problems on bagged cars when trying to tuck big hoops under stock sheet metal/inner fenders?

That AirPod system looks Siiiiiiiiick!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[kennyd]

Anybody have clearance problems on bagged cars when trying to tuck big hoops under stock sheet metal/inner fenders?

That AirPod system looks Siiiiiiiiick!!!!!!! :thumbsup:


that 61 will hold a 22 x10 and a 19x8 on bags .

[HRBS]

I bagged a 64 with a hand built frame.
I am now building a 62 Bel Air that will use the factory 'x' frame with Shockwaves and Strong arms, dropped spindles etc. We are going to run 22x10's and 19x8's. I may massage the inner wells and modify the mounting points if it doesnt sit low enough to my liking. But i have seen it done without modifing a thing and it looks to work fine.

http://www.hotrodsbysteve.com/projects/64impala/100_2128.JPG

[marolf101x]

Oh, so many things to comment on. I really should have been watching this post earlier. Here we go:

For those who don't know me my name is Britt Marolf and I have worked with Air Ride Technologies for 4 years, and directly for ART for the last year and a half. I originally worked for a custom electronics company where I was the lead on both the E1 and E2/LevelPro control systems as well as a military project. I moved to ART to continue electronics development, but also look into new and exciting technologies to further advance pneumatic suspension systems (anything from making it easy to install, AirPod; to making it better on the track, triple adjustable-remote reservoir-dampers). I am biased toward our product, and I have no remorse for being so. I didn't' move to Southern Indiana for the culture, I chose a position at this company because the product is high quality, the engineering is sound, it's family owned, small enough not to be hog-tied by corporate B.S., but large enough to allow us to have fun, and everyone here is a gearhead. A lot of days the parking lot looks like a car show. When I'm not in the office I get to drive our test cars at track days (like the link above from V8TV).

General Air Suspension Discussion (if you know air ride, skip this as you'll find this boring):
-an air spring is just that: a spring that is manipulated with air pressure
-the spring rate of an air spring is highly progressive
-the more you compress the spring, the higher the spring rate
-spring rate is increased with volume and/or pressure
-pressure/volume is affected by vehicle weight, designed/installed height, corners, etc.
-therefore spring rate is determined by what the vehicle weighs, what air spring you use, how/where the air spring is mounted
-We design each kit to optimize the spring rate for a specific vehicle at a specific ride height
-The great thing about air is you can alter the spring rate and/or altitude by increasing/decreasing air (within reason. If you go outside the designed tolerances the vehicle is either too stiff, or does not have enough spring rate and bottoms out)

2-way v. 4-way:
-Personally I would never use a 2-way system on a performance vehicle (fronts tied together, rears tied together) as the deficits are far too great for the cost savings.
-4-way provides 8 valves; 4 inflate, 4 deflate
-with a 2-way system, when the vehicle enters a corner the outside air spring is compressed while the inside air spring is in rebound, or droop. The outside air spring needs the highest spring rate it can achieve, but since it is connected to the unloaded air spring it transfers air, loosing spring rate.

Manual vs. Electronic Control Systems:
-Electronic control systems provide more functionality than manual
-allows you to change system speed, tank trigger pressures, back light intensity, etc.
-they also provide 3 presets which allow the system to automatically attain proper ride height
-Ultimately your goal is to reach the proper ride height so your alignment and suspension are correct for traveling down the road. Air pressure is not directly relational to suspension travel. It's close, but external forces, such as suspension bind, change things each time you raise or lower the vehicle. You can attain proper ride height with either a manual or electronic control system, but the electronic control is much more precise (especially if level sensors are utilized. The LevelPro control system will return the vehicle to within 1/8-inch of ride height each and every time.)
-If you are budget conscious try a manual system first. If you desire more options and more precise control in the future it's extermely simple to upgrade to an electronics package (the compressors, tanks, valves are all the same so you don't have to replace them)
***NOTE: the electronic control systems are initially designed on my daily driven test vehicle for use with either 1/4 or 3/8-inch air line and valves. Should you use the electronic control system with anything larger you may experience problems. Rule of thumb: If you press an inflate or deflate button as quickly as you can, and the vehicle moves "X" amount, that is the minimum amount the electronics can move the system! So if you have an s-10 with 1/2-inch lines and valves and it moves 1-inch; the addition of an electronics system will not slow the airflow and get the vehicle within 1/8-inch of ride height.***

Reliability:
-My test vehicle has been on the road, daily driven through hot summers and sub-zero winters (I'm from Iowa) for 60,000 miles. I have never had an issue with bags, lines, valves, etc. I change electronics quite a bit, but that's my gig.
-Many people have our systems on dually trucks pulling trailers. Last I heard Troy was in the lead with over 400,000 miles on his.
-Electronic failure rate is 0.03%.
-When was the last time you saw a semi broken down on the side of the road because his air brakes or air suspension failed? We use the same high quality DOT approved parts they do.

Performance:
-An air spring is just a spring
-Generally speaking, any vehicle will perform better when the center of gravity is lowered, and more spring rate is provided
-An air spring does have an advantage that, by design, it is has a more progressive spring rate than a steel spring. The more you compress, the greater the rate. This is not a linear curve. The spring rate graph of an air spring looks like a take off ramp used by Freestyle moto-crossers to do back flips.
-Shock absorbers play a huge roll in a performance application. They are simply a timing device. They control when the tire leaves the pavement, and when the tires are contacting the pavement. Adjustable dampers are a key part to building a performance suspension.

Bad94: Issues with E1 system:
I'm not sure who you spoke with, but you must not have reached my phone. Your issue is a ground problem. I can see in the pic my advised solution is not implemented, so I would imagine the problem still exists. If you wish to fix this please let me know and I'll do whatever I can to make it work as intended. ([email protected])

I apologize for the long post. If you've made it this far, congratulations you've passed Pneumatic Suspension Systems 101!
If you want more information regarding any of these areas, please let me know and I'll continue my rant.
-Britt-

[V8TV]

That's some great info, Brit - thanks for posting.

I have a question - we've experienced an unpredictability in cornering response because of the non-linear spring rate of an air spring. However, I went for a ride in your silver Mustang with Bret on an autocross track, and that didn't display any unpredictable mannerisms that I could detect. What's the trick to controlling the spring? And please don't just tell me "adjustable shocks"... what about matching spring size to vehicle weight, what type of adjustment do you want, what about sway bars, etc.?

Thanks!

- Kevin Oeste

[marolf101x]

Kevin,

What vehicle is experiencing this problem? What air springs are being used? Is it our kit, a different suppliers kit, or something "home grown"? What do you feel when the problem occurs? (is it leaning too far, is it rolling over to a point then pitching the car, etc?) What shocks are used? Sway bars? Stock arms or tubular arms?

Sway bars are also a big part of the handling performance. Too little sway bar and the vehicle wants to roll, too stiff and traction becomes a problem.

Suspensions in general are a combination of compromises. What works on one car, may not work on a similar car. Beyond physical suspension parts, this could be due to driver preference. This is why I love the adjustability an air suspension system provides.
For example: Brad and I drive in a lot of the auto crosses and road courses we attend. Brad is very aggressive, and loves the skinny pedal. . .fast in, hard on the brakes, turn, hard on the gas, tail out smoke flying. I'm a little smoother, and more fluid. . .fast in, hard on the brakes just enough, trail brake, ease in throttle, on to the next turn. I prefer a car that is not overly stiff; one that tends to roll over a little more as I try to carry more speed through the corner. Brad likes the car really stiff so it doesn't move when he's man handling it. (and just so I don't sound like a pompas ass, Brad is usually a couple tenths quicker than I am. But then again I did go quicker at the RTH event.)

We can both drive the same car on the same weekend and change set-ups in minutes.

***I just want to point out that our cars are not professional race cars. . .not even close! They use all the same parts we have in our catalog (no special rubber in the air springs, no triple adjustable dampers, no flux capacitor) They are set up by the staff at the event (be it myself, Brad, Bret, or any other ART employee who may be in attendance.) We are not professionally trained race car mechanics or drivers. I grew up with dirt late models, so if we wanted to drift I think I could get one set up to go sideways! These cars have nothing exotic. Just proven parts from proven companies.***

[bret]

The only thing I have to add to Britt's info is that he really lives and breathes his work. [get it, breathes...air...never mind]
Sorry, couldn't help myself:)

[SpeedyV10]

I cannot believe how helpful this thread has been. Hopefully other people interested inbagging their ride have been able to benefit from this thread as much as I have.

Thank you for the info, everybody!
:hail:

[darren@ridetech]

Justanova & Radlark,
Here are some images of the new StrongArm/Shockwave/Musclebar system Rodney is currently developing on our 65 Impala. I really like the sway bar design.


http://www.ridetech.com/Photos/13900DT.jpg
http://www.ridetech.com/Photos/13900GT.jpg
http://www.ridetech.com/Photos/13900CT.jpg
http://www.ridetech.com/Photos/13900ET.jpg
http://www.ridetech.com/Photos/13900FT.jpg

[darren@ridetech]

Here are some bigger images.
http://www.ridetech.com/projectview.asp?ID=13900&source=KnownProject

[Radlark]

Drooling------------->still drooling!!! Sorry guys forgive me Okay seeing as how it looks like they will be out soon I think I will sell my new Macbook to finance this one!!!

[JUSTANOVA]

Drooling------------->still drooling!!! Sorry guys forgive me Okay seeing as how it looks like they will be out soon I think I will sell my new Macbook to finance this one!!!


:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

that looks awesome, i cant wait till this stuff hits the market, couple questions though, will this setup be offered with shockwaves? do the control arms and ball joints offer more range of motion than stock arms/balljoints as i have drop springs on the car now and am concerned that if i would go lower with the bags that the balljoints may run out of travel. and do you have any idea on pricing? similar to other setups?

I have a feeling you guys will be getting way too much of my money within the next year as now I want to do your system on my nova and now this....I may just do your coolride setup on the impy as of now though but may not be able to resist the arms etc....

once again airridetech. moves the bar higher:cheers:

[Radlark]

I will opt for the shockwaves as soon as they hit the market!