Would you hate me if....

[Teetoe_Jones]

Guys,
Before I ask this question, I'd like it to say here, and not wander over to PT.com.
That being said, who is going to hate me if 50/50 does not get a twin turbo engine?
I am thinking it is not needed for the power level I want to achieve. After a great talk with Steevo, we have decided that less is more for this car. No 345 rear tires, no 900hp engine, possibly no turbos. I want to put the hurt on some cars that have the 365/30/YR/18 rear tires, 1125 hp engines, and ultra custom suspensions, and I'd like to do it with a nice proven, non exotic setup. I think my car has enough cool features, so it not having 2 squirrels under the hood isn't going to hurt the finished product, especially if I lay the smack down on the TT cars.
What are your thoughts on this matter?
Tyler

[XcYZ]

You know, on every car there are features that define it. In 50/50's case, I don't think the hairdryers are it. The suspension and 50/50 theme along with the custom body are the defining features of your car. So no, I don't think dropping the turbos from the build would be a negative.

[Kris Horton]

What, so you're supercharging it???? :D

I wouldn't hate ya for it, but if this means changes to the final renderings (which I'm working on right now) I'll have to...shake my fist angrily. :mad:

I figure you'll save a lot of trouble by going more meat & potatoes on 50/50, but I think it should still make its point. Wasn't this supposed to be a car that could stomp any other high-end pony car? Something that could be driven on any given day in traffic and not overheat and be unbearable, taken to the track on weekends, kick all kinds of butt, and then take you to work on the following Monday? Will it still have cupholders?

Hey, if it lives up to the original idea, go for it! Besides, it's your car, you have to live with it. I think you should build it to your specs. Just as many people will criticize a twin-turbo monster as a N/A setup.

That aside, any particulars on what you want to run now?

Kris

[camcojb]

I didn't think the original plan called for twin turbos anyway, did it? I do not see any issue with that at all, at least not in my eyes. Your car is your car and it will be trick no matter what. You've earned that respect from me.



Jody

[zbugger]

Don't worry about the Turbo's. It's your car. Build it the way you think it should be built. Don't let others influence you. Hmmm...... That's nothing like what happens here.... Nooooo..... ANYway, If you don't want them, don't use them. It's not gonna hurt us any.

[Stuart Adams]

What does the sentence mean that starts with "I want to put a hurt on..... Its your car, you should build it for what you like. People have a variety of dislikes and likes - just do what you will be happy with.

[Teetoe_Jones]

Cool, I knew you guys would understand.
The plan was for a TT LS1 to go with the car, but the more I think about it, it doesn't seem needed with the 750 hp goal. I'll just run a N/A LS1 that will run like crazy.
Stuart-
It means I desire to kick the snot out of cars with bigger and better stuff than my car.
Tyler

[Jay Hilliard]

I say can the TT's. I think a supercharged LS1 or a LS1 with NOS will get the results you desire. Either way its your car and YOU do what YOU want. The car is awesome now, without an engine!

[Steve Chryssos]

I desire to kick the snot out of cars with bigger and better stuff than my car.Tyler

Tyler does sound confrontational, but there is some science in there somewhere. The question is: What if I build my car with just the right amount of power--And just the right size tire? Is balanced design more competitive than excessive design? Does excess power serve any advantage other than top speed (both 1/4 mile and open road race). Do ultra wide tires hurt lap times?

Of course the real question is: How does one determine "just enough power"? Where's Goldie Locks when you need her? "This car has too much power...This car does not have enough power...This car is just right." Boost can be dialed out.

So benchracing aside--snot kicking and all--I'd like to see an objective discussion on the subject of balanced vs excessive vehicle specs.

[Ummgawa]

I'm in agreement also with the consensus. I am having second thoughts due to the fact that I am going to have to change just about every thing I have currently built to go the TT route. I may set the twins in the corner and use them on something else so I can make the tour and hold my car costs down. Thanks for getting it out in the open.

[XcYZ]

How about a C5R 427 or having an LS1 sleeved to go to 427? Now THAT would be cool. I'm sure Howard Tanner (Novacane) can tell you all the ins and outs of that setup.

[Rick Dorion]

I like balance. Tyler's car has so much great stuff that it will stand on it's own merits due to it's design points.

[hotwheels]

i am not involved at all with your 50/50 project, but not all car's are created for turbo's, it may take away from the affect of the car's image......i believe money could be spent in better ways sometimes.........although i truly love anything turbo charged, the work i have seen come from this site, is nothing less then awesome.........so if you feel no turbo's for your car, then so be it......your car will still be awesome..................just my .02, hotwheels

[Richz68]

Tyler,



Your goals of a well rounded killer machine can be done w/o add ons. Remember that your main goal is to run for Street Machine of the Year and turbos or a supercharger won't influence the judges. It will be about design, balance, execution, and finish.

Your car WILL be an unbelieveable car w/o the biggest tires, the biggest brakes, the biggest displacement or the turbos or a supercharger. It is a wicked creation even with the stock motor, but I know that you won't be content with that.

Do it clean, do it right and the the awards, press and fans will slober over it!


PS:

You can always add the "add-ons" later once the body kits start selling like they will!!!!

[Musclerodz]

Its your car, do what will make you happy because you have to live with it and drive it. 50/50 to me is defined by its outward apearance. I know you will do whatever it takes to back it up on the street and at the track. Second thoughts are not always good because they can lead to indecision which almost always adds more money and time. I know because I have done it several times with my 68 project. Changing your mind is not a bad thing either, it just shows us your thinking :D and that there may be a better way than joining the growing TT crowd. (nothing against TT cars, I like them alot)

Steve, I like the idea of a thread dedicated to what a balanced car should be since so many killer cars are being built with wretched excess.

Mike

[jonny51]

Guys,
Before I ask this question, I'd like it to say here, and not wander over to PT.com.
That being said, who is going to hate me if 50/50 does not get a twin turbo engine?
I am thinking it is not needed for the power level I want to achieve. After a great talk with Steevo, we have decided that less is more for this car. No 345 rear tires, no 900hp engine, possibly no turbos. I want to put the hurt on some cars that have the 365/30/YR/18 rear tires, 1125 hp engines, and ultra custom suspensions, and I'd like to do it with a nice proven, non exotic setup. I think my car has enough cool features, so it not having 2 squirrels under the hood isn't going to hurt the finished product, especially if I lay the smack down on the TT cars.
What are your thoughts on this matter?
Tyler


I think the answer to your question is nobody :)

[will69camaro]

I'd hate you...

For being able to produce an awesome car and have the option to choose whether or not to built it TT or N/A. I'm just kidding about hating you BTW, i say build it the way you want. It's your car and you are the one that is going to need to be satisfied with what you build. Either way you go this car will be awesome!

William

[JamesD]

do you think you would redesign the front spoiler? because you don't need the opening for an intercooler. i've always liked turbo cars, but you have so much custom stuff on it already i don't think not having turbos would detract from it at all. its going to be killer either way.

[Keith]

LS1s are such awesome motors Tyler, it would be pretty easy to achieve your HP/TQ goals w/out the hairdryers. It's also going to retain some element of refinement under the hood by not bombarding onlookers with a maze of plumbing and clutter. In fact, it may just be that touch that favors inspiration over impossibility for those looking it over as well. Your project name not only implies the duality of the cars being used for the build but also implies equal balance, not excess......I think this is a good move for you Tyler. :cool:

[V-MA70]

I think a car is what defines you the most these days, that's why we sometimes have to make tough choices, but only you know how you want your car to be like, and how you want to feel while driving it. So that said, anyway you'll take, you and we will know it's a great car, the greatest it could be.

And I think an awesomly throttle responsive N/A LS1 would be a cool choice :) Gentlemen, choose your ride :cool:

[Teetoe_Jones]

Steevo hit it right on- The Goldie Locks test is what I need done.

I feel that having an LS1 that can hold up to years of abuse with only minimal maintainence is the key. The engine plan is sort of unique, and very odd to most people. I want to go with the Trans Am theme in the engine bay.

The LS1 will be destroked to be a 302 (5.0 liters) have 11:1 compression, and the 'crowning' feature on the engine will be the Hogan's dual throttle body cross-ram intake (Think Viper, with 2 less cylinders).

The front air dam does not need a re-style, I have made it a duct to gather airflow to the forward tilted radiator, plus-it should have a slightly more agressive look to it this way.

Kris is also correct-
This car was designed to be the well rounded car- Go to the track on street tires, pull a mid-to low 11 second ET, head to the road corse the same day, on the same tires, and pull the lowest lap times without slicks. I then want to get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic on the Vegas strip, in August and let the car sit with the A/C on full blast, with no whimper from the engine or radiator, as we head out to Northern Nevada for the Pony Express.

There should be nothing I'm afraid to do in this car, including gathering rock chips in the paint, and scraping the frame rails on the pavement.

The 'get the car done' voice in my head is screaming at me, and he is loud. He won't get me to compromise on certain things that I deem nescesary to go with the overall theme, but he is getting me to drop things like 345 rear tires, twin turbos, and laser cannons.


Tyler

[Kris Horton]

Not The Laser Cannons!!!!! Curse You Head Voice!!!!

[jonny51]

Yeah the laser cannons are must!!!

[Steve Chryssos]

The 'get the car done' voice in my head is screaming at me, and he is loud.Tyler

Embrace the voice.

[hotwheels]

like someone stated earlier, the a car of this status, is a statement of who we are.........build it how you will want to drive it, now how you think people will want to see it..........i ran into people not understanding why i wanted to turbocharge my car. Now that it was done and people see and hear the turbo's, they no longer question the why, they ask how they can get one for their car hotwheels of turborides

[67Sally]

Yes.........Embrace the voice............Like Steve said "build a car with just the right amount of power--And just the right size tire.........balanced design more is competitive than excessive design"!!!!!!!!!!

[parsonsj]

Tyler,

I think the voice that is screaming the loudest is saying "don't do the widen-the-body thing to get 345s under back of the car!!!" Hell, I can hear that voice screaming all the way out here in Maryland. If your car weighs less than 3000 lbs., then 315s are gonna be plenty of rear tire for road racing. Find a way to that damned transaxle under the fenders on an 11 rim and finish the car.

Engines come and go. Get the car on the road with a cool, reasonable, and solid setup under the hood, and feel free to change it later. See "The Mule" for any further information on switching engines after debut.

I think you're just looking for confirmation for what you know is right. And buddy, you're right. :)

jp

[Teetoe_Jones]

I had to post this: (From the twisted mind of Kris Horton)

http://www.pro-touring.com/~tylerb/5050_4.jpg

I may reconsider the laser cannon. I would never get 'stuck' in trafiic again. ;)

Tyler

[XcYZ]

LMAO... Now that's creative. Maybe I should use that for the Forum Logo artwork.

[wickedmotorhead]

Now the question is twin laser cannons or not?? J/K

I agree with the group..do more with less and you will still impress and make girls want to undress...sorry I dont know where the hell all that came from. Make it killer and kick the big dawgs to the curb!

[Kris Horton]

Well...I figured with the space he'd be saving leaving the turbos off the car, he might reconsider the laser cannon....

Ought to help "lay the smack down," not to mention start a new trend. Pro-Road Rage!

I might reconsider wanting to work in the movie industry. I forgot how fun it was to do stupid stuff like laser beams.

Kris

[jonny51]

Kris man you need to stop watching your star wars movies lol :D

[DCreations]

I feel that having an LS1 that can hold up to years of abuse with only minimal maintainence is the key. The engine plan is sort of unique, and very odd to most people. I want to go with the Trans Am theme in the engine bay.


Tyler

When you say trans am theme in the engine bay do you mean something liek chirs kerr did on his 68? Do you plan to run wheel wells?

I think everyone gets caught up on trying to have the baddest pro-touring car. when I first read about your project the motor was not what grabbed my eye, but more the suspension. I wish ya the best with project 50/50!! It will be one of a kind.



Dave

[61Bubbletop]

Tyler,

The car speaks for itself...You could put a Briggs and Stratton 5 horse in it and it would still be cool! :)

[B Schein]

Tyler I say do what ever you want and what you can afford I am sure the budget is playing a role in your decision at this point and after I found out you have vested in the body kit I can see why A few of the original ideas are falling to the wayside. You know JP and I say ixnay on the wide body stuff but in the end it yours and do what ever you what just do some thing soon, and when you go to bed tonight don’t forget to say your prays and thank god for http://www.tamparacing.com/gallery/data/500/12760ls1hand.JPG

Brian

[DCreations]

All I have to say is don't settle, I did and now i'm on my third build and lost alot of money :( .I think the wide body look on your car would look sweet, then again does it need it to fit the combo you have? Either way I cant wait to see it done. :D

[hotwheels]

single laser, i think that say's a lot..........awesome job on the pic......hotwheels

[rwhite692]

Tyler, It's been said more than a few times here already, but, I'll say it again, Build what you want for yourself, not to please everybody else, and build what you can afford to build without getting you/your family/your business into undue financial strain (or, real problems).

Of course, if the other purpose of the vehicle is to be as a calling card for your business, then you may want to consult a good tax guy for ways in which you can leverage things. My dad has been in the custom (marine) business for a long time (now retired) and building outlandish stuff was part and parcel of promoting the business. Just my $.02 -Rob