Street Racers Cars Crushed

[70gotboost]

Anyone else see this??? Not sure how I personally feel about this one, but I guess it does get the point across!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19339955/

[Bowtieracing]

Anyone else see this??? Not sure how I personally feel about this one, but I guess it does get the point across!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19339955/


"350-horsepower engine
Hoang said he was caught late last year racing his prized car, on which he spent at least $10,000 to get into top shape. The 350-horsepower engine topped out at 160 mph, Hoang said, swearing it could beat a Corvette or even a Ferrari"

I think Hoang needed the reality check for draming honda could beat the vette :):):)

[XcYZ]

The 350-horsepower engine topped out at 160 mph, Hoang said, swearing it could beat a Corvette or even a Ferrari

:rofl: :rofl:

[CraigMorrison]

Now don't be too hard on the young lad, he didn't specify what kind of Vette or Ferrari- he may have been refering to the '54 Blue Flame straight 6 or the 1948 Ferrari 166MM. But then again he might just have been huffing too much N20 (aka Naaaws):rofl:

[Garage Dog 65]

I recognize this is a huge problem - and not only in socal - but is anyone concerned about authorities taking property that's not theirs or illegal ?

Create new laws or ordinances, and/or enforce current laws, take the illegal parts, fine the hell outta the person, and take all legal actions available, including prison I guess for repeat offenders - BUT, to seize property and destroy it has me wondering where to draw the line.

Where do 'legal vs illegal mods' end in their minds ....

There are many ways to make a point within the bounds of current laws.

Rant off.

Jim

[Bowtieracing]

Now don't be too hard on the young lad, he didn't specify what kind of Vette or Ferrari- he may have been refering to the '54 Blue Flame straight 6 or the 1948 Ferrari 166MM. But then again he might just have been huffing too much N20 (aka Naaaws):rofl:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[70gotboost]

I recognize this is a huge problem - and not only in socal - but is anyone concerned about authorities taking property that's not theirs or illegal ?

Create new laws or ordinances, and/or enforce current laws, take the illegal parts, fine the hell outta the person, and take all legal actions available, including prison I guess for repeat offenders - BUT, to seize property and destroy it has me wondering where to draw the line.

Where do 'legal vs illegal mods' end in their minds ....

There are many ways to make a point within the bounds of current laws.

Rant off.

Jim

albeit not knowing all the details.... I'm on your side!!!

[T Bell]

really. A heavy fine would serve the same point. If he were fined $10K for racing I'm sure it would make him think twice about it. Especially after they seize the stolen parts off the car. But my question is, how can you look at a part and know that it's stolen? A transmission, c'mon, you can easily pick one up from the yard and give it fresh paint. Does that make it stolen? :rolleyes:

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have strong emotion on both sides of the issue. If they catch one of these little pricks racing from one side of town to the other, swerving in and out of traffic trying to maintain a speed of no less then 100MPH (we have a "High Rollers Club" here and that is their critia, to maintain no less then 100MPH from one side of town to the other in traffic, about 30 miles), Or if there racing in a warehouse park with people lining the roads forming a human guardrail, then they should have their **** crushed, for that matter they should have their nuts crushed!

The problem is what is construed as street racing. Now for example, we have a guy that is out on a Friday night in his Hot Rod and he is cruising 40MPH beside his buddy on a deserted highway (deserted because it's 3:30 AM). They come to a stoplight, When the light turns green, The buddy car turns left on to another street as the other guy shows his ass and grabs the nitrous and everything else he has, runs it up to about 70MPH (in about 3 seconds,LOL) and then backs out and continues to cruise at the 55 MPH speed limit. The show off gets pulled over by a cop that was on his bumper at the traffic light, the show off did not see the cop (what kind of idiot would not even check his mirror, the cop was probably pissed because of all the nitrous he just got jammed down his throat, ROFLMAO), and gets a ticket for "Street Racing"! Now to me there is a HUGE difference between "Street Racing" and "Exhibition of Speed", or even "Reckless Driving". Under this law, the show offs car could be crushed? Here, they threaten to take you car. To me, that is a little strong punishment for a testosterone filled moment on a deserted highway at 3:30 AM that endangered no one but maybe the show off and his screaming wife.

So while I agree that something has to be done to stop these little pin heads in ricers from rally racing in our neighborhoods and cities, there needs to be some clear line on what is and is not street racing.

As for the show off in my story, he was able to get the "Street Racing" charge dropped, probably due to his maturity (Old Fart). The judge decided it was not really street racing, just a stupid move.

The judge did get a chuckle when he asked the show off why he did this right in front of a cop sitting behind him at the light.

I told him the truth, I told him I did not check my mirror!

[Diognes56]

Seems like a better idea to slap them with a fine and auction the car off. :yes:

The problem is what is construed as street racing.

+1. When I lived in Tampa, some of the guys from a local F-body club and I were cruising around (doing the speed limit and everything) and decided to stop in a parking lot to check out one of the guys' new motor. After a few minutes a cop pulls up and tries to write us all up for street racing because we had "sport type vehicles" and there was apparently some street racing that they had busted up 10 minutes further up the road. After some protesting he then tried to cite us for spectating street racing :( even though we had no knowledge of it. Luckily a few other club members showed up, two of which are also cops, and things got settled. Were were pretty POed though.

David

[Garage Dog 65]

racing from one side of town to the other, swerving in and out of traffic trying to maintain a speed of no less then 100MPH (we have a "High Rollers Club" here and that is their critia, to maintain no less then 100MPH from one side of town to the other in traffic, about 30 miles)

Thats just insane - for them and us.

As for the show off in my story, he was able to get the "Street Racing" charge dropped, probably due to his maturity (Old Fart). The judge decided it was not really street racing, just a stupid move.

:lol: Could have nailed you for bumper height and loud exhaust - and you'd be building Cobras in the Vegas pen... (not sure that's a bad thing ... :unibrow: )


The judge did get a chuckle when he asked the show off why he did this right in front of a cop sitting behind him at the light.

I told him the truth, I told him I did not check my mirror!

You're a very lame criminal Frank ! Still ROFLMAO !!!

[skatinjay27]

haha great story frank!!

[rockdogz]

Now to me there is a HUGE difference between "Street Racing" and "Exhibition of Speed", or even "Reckless Driving". Under this law, the show offs car could be crushed?
I was thinking about that too, but it looks like they have to find stolen parts or filed off/missing serial numbers to get to that point...

[nitrorocket]

That is rediculous to take a car from someone. I have raced my buddy from a stop light all in fun up to about 70 in a 55, and similar stuff on the street. So if I get caught they will take my $60,000 car and crush it? What is the point of even having a hot rod then. 98% of the stupid accidents and deaths are due to Honda driving idiots that think a wing and a resonator will give them a Top fuel Indy car!

I have been pulled over and accused of street racing just by blipping the throttle, saying I could have gotten out of control. If I would have done the same thing in a toyota Corolla or Dodge Caravan he would have never thought twice.

It's all politics.

[Kris Horton]

The line between "street racing" and "exhibition of speed" here in CA is a blurry one, at best. They seem to punish people the same way for both these days (suspended license, hefty fine, and 2 points on your record) yet I consider the two infractions very different.

To the lawmakers I'm sure that if you roast your tires or jet up to the speed limit in less than 3 seconds, you might as well be racing...I can understand why they see it that way, but to be so firm on it is stupid. I just know that I won't be doing much of either anymore to avoid any further trouble or getting my car crushed.

I actually got popped for exhibition of speed in April...it was a lapse in judgement on my part. I was about half a block away from my office at a red light. I was in my Lightning and I wanted to get a bit of a rush before going and sitting at my desk for the rest of the day so when the light turned green, I rolled into the gas, lit up the top of first gear and barked second really hard. All the while my blower's whining and my exhaust is rapping...I let of the gas and started to brake to enter my work's parking lot and I look to my left and see a cop waiting in the parking lot right across the street...I figure I'm finished, so I pull into our parking lot and he lights me up. Fortunately after a few choice words, he informs me that while he could basically take my license and my car right there, he was only going to write me for not using my turn signal when entering the parking lot (it wasn't the first thing on my mind...) and that I should slow the hell down... :woot:

Thank god the cop was forgiving, but I learned my lesson...I don't think I've seen 14psi on the street once since then. :lol:

Kris

[Croaker]

Here's an interesting read out of the Toronto Star...this is taking it one step past crushing your car if you get caught, they want to take your car if they *think* it might be used for street racing. Yay for fascism! :rolleyes:

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/227464

[rocketman]

Well California is the only place I've head of doing such dumb ****.I know of place that impound and auction of car's but the owners just buy them back,I always said there's a time and place for everything.


considering California hate's car's in general let alone hot rods..

[rocketman]

And some guy's import doesn't quailfy has a hot rod either

[mazspeed]

This is a two headed sword for me. I don't think that you should have the police crushing cars on a whim. I think this sets off a horrible pressident. I think heavy fines and jail time is best, but taking the property and then destroying it is just an abuse of power IMHO. I do see where street racing is a problem, but go after them with fines, jail time and such. I think it's giving too much authority on the cops to do whatever they see fit. Nothing scares off people more then jail time, and if you get caught a handful of times, you should be doing lots of time, but you cannot take someone’s things and destroy them because you think they are doing something illegal with it. I have a problem with this law.

[rwhite692]

To crush the vehicles certainly makes for exciting press, but doesn't make any sense...If the vehicles were seized as part of a drug bust, for example, they would simply be auctioned off and the money would go into the state coffers.

The way the law is right now, it's comparable to catching a bank robber, and then burning the money. Yay! That will teach them!

What a waste. Sell the damn cars off and at least do something with the money.

With the way things are going with lawmakers and environmentalists, we need to defend our hobby more voraciously than ever (stick close to SEMA and stay informed and be active on legislative issues!) because it's going to be getting to the point where if you have ANY kind of performance vehicle, old/new/ricer/musclecar, whatever, you are going to be looked upon as a no-good SOB / street race hooligan / baby killer / environmental enemy.

One of the other problems contributing to all of this is that a LOT of later model cars with HP levels high enough to be dangerous in the wrong hands, are now reaching old age/low $value and are in the hands of young kids (and goofball idiots of all ages) who can now afford them because they are nearly used up. These are the big-time professional idiots who are going to ruin the car hobby for us, as we'll all be lumped into the same ideological group by lawmakers, etc.

[nitrorocket]

Am I understanding this correctly??

If I street race my $4000 Honda Civic with naaws, It will get cruched and I basically had a $4000 fine or loss if you call it that.

But if I get caught racing a buddy or anyone else off a light or something of that sort in my $280,000 Chip foose car that I sold my house to buy, they will take it and crush it?? So they will basically be fining me $280,000??

So what this would mean is that the idiots that started all this mess with there $4,000 wanna be race cars will just about get a slap on the hand, But the guys like us who have lived tthere entire life for there ultra high dollar rides, will lose everything we have for the same offense??

For that matter, might as well by a $2,000 1985 Z28 camaro, spray the piss out of it, have fun, and if they crush it, WHO CARES!


I am I on the right track with this??:_paranoid

[ironworks]

I don't think chip foose will do anything for 280,000. But is a guy with that much invested going to drive his million dollar chip foose deal like the guy with a 4000 honda, i don't think so. Does the guy with the Foose hot rod have an attorney on retainer, Probabley. The sad part is most cops wont crush a car ever, but a jack ass cop will let that idea go to his head.

[hectore3]

I can see this getting challenged in court by SEMA. Or even somebody with a bit of balls to stare down the state.

[fsstnotch]

In a sense, I can see why they would crush a car of this nature and not auction it off. If they auctioned these "street racers" off they would likely be bought by the same kids or their nieghbors and be put right back onto the street. I in no way would condone street racing, especially a coordinated race where people are watching. HOWEVER, if I am at a light next to a FRIEND who wants to sprint up to 70 and back to the 55mph speed limit when there is no other cars around, I see nothing wrong there.

I too have been victim of the exhibition of speed/wreckless driving ticket. In my notch driving home with my wife from a fun night helping a friend paint his house. I stop at a gas station, my wife is slightly upset, start pulling away from teh gas station when my wife throws a full packof strawberries at my face. I get pissed off, drop the clutch and punch it. The shift light quickly blinds me, and I let off. I bet we moved a total of 10ft before I slowed and pulled into another open parking lot and back to the gas station. I stop and sure enough, cop lights me up in the parking lot. He gave me the ticket and said that I didn't have anything on my record so if I went down and talked to the prosecuter it would get suspended. I had the ticket suspended and couldn't get pulled over again for 3 months. Big deal. Did this teach me anything... well probably not because I'm plenty mature enough to know I was wrong to begin with! Now imagine in I had my car crushed for the same incedent.... I'd probably hate all cops forever! haha

Bottom line, I'm sure they are not crushing irreplacable cars. They are crushing cars that come a dime a dozen. They are crushing cars that are at the street racing spots with spectators and such. Not the guy who races a friend from a light on an open road to 70mph. They're targeting the morons that run the 30mi at 100+ in traffic. Those are the people who are killing people and make anyone with mods look bad.

[Bowtieracing]

I don't think chip foose will do anything for 280,000. .


Iv heard he would sing your t shirt with that :lol:

[mazspeed]

I did read an article about this on yahoo, and they only crush cars that were multi offenders and were proven to have had stolen parts. The courts can't have it destroyed for just racing. Also the ones that were destroyed, none of them didn't have any kind of attorney to help fight it. They are trying to do two things. One is get the racers off the street, and two, get the stolen parts off the street as well. You pretty much have to be a f**k up to get your car destroyed by the courts.

[Desert68]

Apparently the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have been rewritten. Someone broke the law, they seized their property and they destroyed it. Think about that for a minute. What if someone does something illegal at home on their property? Do they come burn your house down? This crosses a very basic, fundamental line. You break a law in this country, you go to prison or jail, get fined, probation, community service or restitution. This goes way beyond street racing or cars. This is the government seizing and destroying citizen's property.

BTW, first post here. I'm in the project planning stage for a 1968 C3 Corvette project.

[LateNight72]

I can't wait for them to seize the wrong person's car and they get the piss sued out of them.

Like Desert said, this is fundamentally against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. How are they able to take your property and crush it?

Totalitarianism, here we come.. :( :thmbsdwn:

[jeff s]

This country is going down the toilet. Seizing personal property and destroying it is wrong!
I recently went to the bank handed the cashier 2500 cash to pay for a money order for some parts I ordered.
I was put throught the mill, social security number, home address, 1st born"s birth date, etc, etc. She was entering this all into the computer, reporting it all to the government on the spot. I asked did the bank change their policy?
SHe said no, Patriot Act went into effect Jan 1. All cash transactions are reported. ( I think it was over a few hundred$, used to be 10k)
Communist Soviet Union had more freedom than we do now.
You should see the Road Blocks they set up here in IL late at night pulling over every car that passes. What a freaking time waster that is.
I was going home late 1am, after working on a buddies car, every single car going northbound was pulled into a parking lot, ckecked for insurance cards, regisration, outstanding warrants, shined flashlights into the car, you had to get out of your car, while they snooped around. Man you got me started again, I'm F...king pi**ed!

[parsonsj]

I'm with you Jeff. The whole thing pisses me off beyond belief. It's just wrong, and it is getting worse.

I'm all for catching terrorists and assorted bad guys, but I don't trust the cops. Many of them (unfortunately, I've met many) are playground bullies out on the street. I find the whole traffic enforcement scene to be corrupt. When did "beyond reasonable doubt" turn into "believe the cops above all else"?

I get pissed off every time some commercial comes on telling me that speed kills, and that speeding won't be tolerated, and the speeding is the same thing as aggressive driving. Bull****! It ain't the same thing. When was the last time you saw your state police driving the speed limit on the highway?

Here's how I fix this problem: start public education and driving lessons based on cooperative driving. Or for those with cognitive disabilities: "Move right, asshole!" In general, if people worked to provide open lanes for faster drivers to move through then the weaving issue goes away. The dangers go down. Lives get saved. Faster drivers can pass slower drivers on the left without getting frustrated and having to weave their way through traffic.

Then law enforcement can set up to nail speeding drivers in the left lanes. They will also have to ticket slow drivers causing backup in the left lanes.

Anyway, that's my plan.

jp

[LateNight72]

I'm with you Jeff. The whole thing pisses me off beyond belief. It's just wrong, and it is getting worse.

I'm all for catching terrorists and assorted bad guys, but I don't trust the cops. Many of them (unfortunately, I've met many) are playground bullies out on the street. I find the whole traffic enforcement scene to be corrupt. When did "beyond reasonable doubt" turn into "believe the cops above all else"?

I get pissed off every time some commercial comes on telling me that speed kills, and that speeding won't be tolerated, and the speeding is the same thing as aggressive driving. Bull****! It ain't the same thing. When was the last time you saw your state police driving the speed limit on the highway?

Here's how I fix this problem: start public education and driving lessons based on cooperative driving. Or for those with cognitive disabilities: "Move right, asshole!" In general, if people worked to provide open lanes for faster drivers to move through then the weaving issue goes away. The dangers go down. Lives get saved. Faster drivers can pass slower drivers on the left without getting frustrated and having to weave their way through traffic.

Then law enforcement can set up to nail speeding drivers in the left lanes. They will also have to ticket slow drivers causing backup in the left lanes.

Anyway, that's my plan.

jp

Kind of like what Germany has implimented on the autobahn. It works AMAZING! They have less deaths per year than I-95, I believe I heard that stat somewhere. You pass on the left then IMMEDIATELY move to the right lane once you pass.

I am all for that.