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Slick
01-10-2007, 05:35 PM
Say a guy is choosing fuel injectors...obviously output is the most important and impendance but what else? From past experience I know some items are only made by a few vendors and everyone else makes pretty stickers to put their name and price on....is there really a difference or does say seimens and delphi make nearly all the injectors out there and Fast, Accelle and Venom just relabel them? I see this all the time in electronics, just curious as I shop around.

Also impendance...I know what it is, but how does it apply to fuel injectors? I'm using an Accele DFI but curious about how it works as much or moreso than just what to use...I'd rather understand it than just order a part :)

Thanks,

Blown353
01-10-2007, 05:56 PM
A lot of the injector business is relabeling-- there are only a handful of manufacturers. There are several different designs of injectors (ball, disc, pintle, etc.) each of which offers different spray and response time characteristics as well as some styles being more resistant to clogging.

There is also high and low impedance designs, the high impedance injectors being the older technology. The low impedance injectors with a "peak and hold" driver offer better injector response especially at higher operating pressure and are capable of shorter operating pulsewidths (i.e. they will idle better, which is very important as injectors go up in size and idle pulsewidths get shorter.)

As far as who you buy from... specialty vendors will test all their injectors and group them by actual flowrate so you get a well matched batch and they will also visually verify spray pattern and performance over a wide operating range.

Fotoboy
01-10-2007, 07:41 PM
high imp will only go so high, I think 75. If you go to low imp youll need a ijector driver. 75 is good to 900 ish hp in a blower setup easy.

69 L88 Camaro
01-12-2007, 06:25 PM
Bosch injectors are the best with a 30 degree spray cone and very high reliability. High impedence injectors are needed with a four driver Bank to Bank style ECU. Maximum 36 Lb per Hr. Disclamer here and your prices may be slightly higher in the South.

ss dave
01-21-2007, 11:52 AM
what injectors would you recommend for a 600hp NA ls7 with stock harness?

69 L88 Camaro
01-22-2007, 08:53 PM
what injectors would you recommend for a 600hp NA ls7 with stock harness?
Horsepower divided by number of cylinders times .50 brake specific. Another disclaimer inserted here.

ProdigyCustoms
01-22-2007, 10:25 PM
Dave, we have killer deals on some really nice flowed injectors. I would go with 50LBS, injector size X 2 X cylinders X 80% duty cycle, or in this case

50LBS X 2 = 100 X 8 Cylinders = 800 X 80% duty cycle = 640HP

sales@gpsuperstore.com

69 L88 Camaro
01-23-2007, 10:22 AM
what injectors would you recommend for a 600hp NA ls7 with stock harness?
Need to know if the stock electronics are sequential. 8 driver ECU. If it is bank to bank/4driver then you will be limited to 36 lb. hr. You can up the fuel pressure to increase the range of the injector.

andrewb70
01-24-2007, 10:46 PM
Need to know if the stock electronics are sequential. 8 driver ECU. If it is bank to bank/4driver then you will be limited to 36 lb. hr. You can up the fuel pressure to increase the range of the injector.

Why are you saying that 36lb/hr is the limit? Siemens makes a high impedance injector that flow 60lb/hr @43.5psi. Delphi has 50lb/hr high impedance injectors.

Andrew

69 L88 Camaro
01-26-2007, 07:53 PM
Why are you saying that 36lb/hr is the limit? Siemens makes a high impedance injector that flow 60lb/hr @43.5psi. Delphi has 50lb/hr high impedance injectors.

Andrew
Because I didn't know any better. Thanks for the update. I'll have to brush up on my information. Got any websites? God I love the internet.
Kevin

camcojb
01-26-2007, 08:33 PM
Because I didn't know any better. Thanks for the update. I'll have to brush up on my information. Got any websites? God I love the internet.
Kevin

RC Engineering goes up to 75# at 43 psi in high impedance.

http://www.rceng.com/

Jody

69 L88 Camaro
01-26-2007, 08:50 PM
RC Engineering goes up to 75# at 43 psi in high impedance.

http://www.rceng.com/

Jody
Thanks alot for the site Jody! RC engineering didn't ring a bell until I saw the home page. I used to think Russ was even badder than E.J. Potter. Glad to see he is still around.

Fotoboy
01-28-2007, 05:43 PM
Nice injectors from RC, I have the himp 75.

79ZED
02-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Venom is another company that comes to mind. They will build high or low Z injectors up to 190lbs/hr.

John

Flash68
02-12-2007, 05:22 PM
RC Engineering goes up to 75# at 43 psi in high impedance.

http://www.rceng.com/

Jody


Hey Jody, just curious... is RC the maker of the 75# injectors on my 406?

thanks

Blown353
02-12-2007, 11:18 PM
Hey Jody, just curious... is RC the maker of the 75# injectors on my 406?

thanks

I believe they are-- but Jody can confirm it. I haven't looked at that engine in quite a while but I vaguely remember their label on the injectors. Maybe I'm confusing it with his old 540 though, that thing I'm 99% certain had RCE injectors on it.

Flash68
02-13-2007, 02:34 AM
I believe they are-- but Jody can confirm it. I haven't looked at that engine in quite a while but I vaguely remember their label on the injectors. Maybe I'm confusing it with his old 540 though, that thing I'm 99% certain had RCE injectors on it.

thanks Blown353... I have checked out your site before and hope to see your car in action someday. Sweet car and motor you have there.

camcojb
02-13-2007, 10:04 AM
Hey Jody, just curious... is RC the maker of the 75# injectors on my 406?

thanks
pretty sure they are, that's all my efi connection uses and I would have bought them from him. Not cheap, but they're flowed and sold in matched sets, so eliminates a variable out of the tuning process.

Jody

Flash68
02-13-2007, 10:01 PM
pretty sure they are, that's all my efi connection uses and I would have bought them from him. Not cheap, but they're flowed and sold in matched sets, so eliminates a variable out of the tuning process.

Jody

Cool, thanks Jody.

speedshopmike
02-23-2007, 11:44 PM
many other make large high ohm injectors - ford motorsport, msd, accel, etc etc.