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MaxHarvard
03-06-2006, 04:15 PM
I know we all say there's no such thing as too much HP... but honestly, there has to be...

what too much for you guys?

For me, a daily driver hovering around 500hp is the limit.

Fun car.. hell, any # under 1000hp is about my limit.

you guys?

groovyjay
03-06-2006, 04:28 PM
I'm shooting for 1500+hp with my current project. I'm pretty confident it'll be enough for me...

GBodyGMachine
03-06-2006, 05:03 PM
My current car has about 500. I like it, but the next car will be twin turbo. I hope for 1200HP. I think I could drive it on the street no problem.
Too Much for me would be 1600ish

Jeff

promax/vennom#16
03-06-2006, 05:04 PM
Speaking for myself, the last ride I had made 500hp on the dyno. After 1 season I needed more!! So at this point I would like my next ride to be near the 700-800 hp range.But I have the feeling after having some seat time behind the wheel, I will be looking for more. So,lets say 750-1200hp should do-it!! (For now):yes: :yes:

Dave

Stuart Adams
03-06-2006, 05:16 PM
Geez you guys. Talk about whiplash.

RELIABLE 600 will satisfy, I'm old and easy.

rocketman
03-06-2006, 05:17 PM
depends on what you comfortable with.

my current motor is 1100,w/o spray.

but i have been driving 800+hp cars for years,so a 500hp car to me is weak.

i'd say more the merrier.

streetfytr68
03-06-2006, 05:33 PM
Depends on what you're building, how you will use it, and how much seat time you have.

-What good is 750HP if it can't hook up or will break parts when it does hook up?
-And what good is big power if you will run out of talent trying to apply it?

Roger Poirier
03-06-2006, 08:47 PM
Haggerty Insurance triples once you go past 500 HP. Thats why I stayed at 475.

R.P.

J2SpeedandCustom
03-06-2006, 08:57 PM
Anything over 500hp on the street is just about useless on street tires. Once you start making more than that you have to really start making suspension, frame, and safety changes. Just my $.02

On the track turn it up and let it RIP!

comp-spec
03-06-2006, 09:17 PM
500 rwhp. Need more

Stuart Adams
03-06-2006, 10:21 PM
I also think if geared right for great low end torque less hp for me is OK. I like the plant ya in the seat acceleration and not so much going 150mph. But like Steve said got have a quality booty behind the big belly to keep her stable.

orange88
03-07-2006, 10:27 AM
well my old motor made 600 with spray, the motor i have now will make about 1000, i allready have plans to start a finding parts for a new motor in two years that will make about 1600 and be street driven

61Bubbletop
03-07-2006, 11:34 AM
Depends on what you're building, how you will use it, and how much seat time you have.

-What good is 750HP if it can't hook up or will break parts when it does hook up?
-And what good is big power if you will run out of talent trying to apply it?


Well said my friend....

DutchBoys
03-07-2006, 02:14 PM
Well said my friend....


I agree

nvawgn
03-07-2006, 03:37 PM
i would love 750 or so at the rear wheels, oh and charlize theron in the passenger seat would make my day :captain:

DCreations
03-07-2006, 04:01 PM
As long as you can get at least 80 miles per tank, that's enough power for me. I dont think you can ever have enough power :lol:

pist0lpete
03-07-2006, 04:13 PM
I say there is no real limit as long as it is reliable and you aren't rebuilding a motor every 5000 mile. Also you gotta have a drivetrain that can handle the power and not be shelling trannies and rear ends all the time. Another viable option for turbo motors especially is to have more than one program for your ecu. Maybe a 103 octane race setting with high boost then a 91-93 octane low boost setting for driving around town.

Speedster
03-07-2006, 04:48 PM
...Too Much Horsepower is Almost Enough :)

GBodyGMachine
03-07-2006, 05:28 PM
Haggerty Insurance triples once you go past 500 HP. Thats why I stayed at 475.

R.P.


How do they know how much HP you have?

Jeff

Roger Poirier
03-07-2006, 05:41 PM
You have to tell them if you want to have insurance. They ask what engine, specs, etc. Insurance companys are not dumb like they use to be. They know all about pro-touring, pro street cars. :yes: They even have a handle on old cars using turbos, superchargers etc. They were selling insurance at the Detroit Autorama 2006 event.

R.P.

GBodyGMachine
03-07-2006, 06:34 PM
interesting
J

markss28
03-08-2006, 10:05 AM
550hp is good on the street, plus if you tune your whole car right IE suspension, engine, tranny, gears. You should be able to run in the low 11s maybe 10s if the car is light enough. And you can still drive it on the street without worry of blowing things every 6 months.

Plus 550 is where my tranny is rated to handle.

MarkM66
03-08-2006, 10:33 AM
How do they know how much HP you have?

Jeff

I would imagine you could tell them whatever you want. If you have a 540 with 800 hp, you could tell them it's a 396 with some heads, and makes 450 hp.

Now if you have a supercharger or turbo, that's probably a different story.

Smack_talker
03-08-2006, 10:53 AM
I would imagine you could tell them whatever you want. If you have a 540 with 800 hp, you could tell them it's a 396 with some heads, and makes 450 hp.

Now if you have a supercharger or turbo, that's probably a different story.

What if you told them it was a street car and you have never had it on a dyno?? Just under estimate it like all the factories did in the 60's-70's :lol:

MarkM66
03-08-2006, 10:56 AM
What if you told them it was a street car and you have never had it on a dyno?? Just under estimate it like all the factories did in the 60's-70's :lol:

That'd work, :lol: .

Or if you have a 800hp engine, just put a restrictor plate on it, get it down to 400hp, then you wouldn't even be fibbing, ;) .

Derek69SS
03-08-2006, 01:16 PM
I would imagine you could tell them whatever you want. If you have a 540 with 800 hp, you could tell them it's a 396 with some heads, and makes 450 hp.Then when your car gets stolen, stripped, and recovered, your insurance pays you for the 450hp 396 that went missing, rather than the 800hp 540 they really owe you.

MarkM66
03-08-2006, 01:30 PM
Then when your car gets stolen, stripped, and recovered, your insurance pays you for the 450hp 396 that went missing, rather than the 800hp 540 they really owe you.

Actually, if my car gets stolen, I get what I appraised it for. :yes:

Roger Poirier
03-08-2006, 09:47 PM
What happens when you car gets in an accident and they find out you listed the wrong engine or were false in your remarks towards your engine/hp combo. Sorry you are not covered. :(

R.P.

race-rodz
03-08-2006, 09:59 PM
178 rwhp, 370 lbs, thats enough for me :unibrow:

XcYZ
03-08-2006, 10:02 PM
Nice! What did you do to get 178 to the rear wheel?

race-rodz
03-08-2006, 10:13 PM
05 gsxr1000, power commander and an akrapovic slip on. never dynoed the bike before the exhaust and pc, supposedly its 175ish stock. 370lbs is just a guess, prolly a lil light.

Damn True
03-08-2006, 10:14 PM
1500hp? Are you serious?

The most dialed production car in US auto history has 505hp and would easilly be more car than most could handle anywhere near it's limit.
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.autoextremist.com/cars/january2004/vette2.jpg
Putting three times the power in a chassis that is 1/2 as capable seems rather absurd to me.

You are talking 3x the power of an Audi R8.
http://www.motorsm.com/motorsport/auto/pics_auto_racing/Le_Mans_24H_2005_Audi_2.jpg
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/audir8-01.html
Is your suspension as good? Do you have the aero package to keep the thing on the ground? Do you have the skill that Tom Kristensen does?

Like Steve-o said, if you can't put it to the ground, if you can't keep from blowing parts out the back (ala the old AAMCO commercial) and if you can't come close to being able to control 1/3 of that whats the point other than to say, "It's got 1500hp."

Honestly I can't imagine a street tire and any suspension that you'd run on the street packaged in a 35-40 year old car is capable of handling more than about 500-600 (Not taking into account the nut behind the wheel.) unless you are just going to putt around town under 4000rpm.

MarkM66
03-09-2006, 09:14 AM
Like Steve-o said, if you can't put it to the ground, if you can't keep from blowing parts out the back (ala the old AAMCO commercial) and if you can't come close to being able to control 1/3 of that whats the point other than to say, "It's got 1500hp."

I think that's just it. After a certian point, it's just for braggin rights. Let's face it, cars with 1000+hp run 7's, or there about.

MarkM66
03-09-2006, 09:22 AM
What happens when you car gets in an accident and they find out you listed the wrong engine or were false in your remarks towards your engine/hp combo. Sorry you are not covered. :(

R.P.

I don't know, my comments were theoretical, I don't actually give false information, but if you someone wanted a lower rate, one could.

My carrier ask for two pictures of the car, and an appriasal. If something happens, it's covered. They asked what size engine was in it, and that's about it.

trapin
03-09-2006, 10:14 AM
If it's got a manual gearbox behind it...I'd be satisfied with 300.

I'm 35 now. Those halycon days of traffic light competitions and parking lot burnouts are long gone.

TravisB
03-09-2006, 11:32 AM
I don't know, my comments were theoretical, I don't actually give false information, but if you someone wanted a lower rate, one could.

My carrier ask for two pictures of the car, and an appriasal. If something happens, it's covered. They asked what size engine was in it, and that's about it.

This is all my insurance company asks for as well! They don't even need to see it in person!

Damn True
03-09-2006, 07:15 PM
This is all my insurance company asks for as well! They don't even need to see it in person!


I wonder if your company would understand the difference in price between a 396 smallblock built by Tom Nelson and an OE 396?

XcYZ
03-09-2006, 07:17 PM
If you have agreed value then it doesn't matter. You just tell them what it is and what you think it's worth and they bill you accordingly.

BC69
03-09-2006, 07:54 PM
I dont know what alot of HP feels like yet, so I guess around 300 is what I know. Althought I do like that with turbos now you can control the boost and thus control HP levels. You can then have the bragging rights of a huge HP car, but have something a bit more controllable for the street.
I would like to get up to 500 I think, probably years away though. But I am happy for now.


Tim

MarkM66
03-10-2006, 09:05 AM
If you have agreed value then it doesn't matter. You just tell them what it is and what you think it's worth and they bill you accordingly.

Thank You!!!!!!

Smack_talker
03-10-2006, 10:09 AM
How much HP depends if your talking N/A or boosted. Small block vs big block makes a differnce too.

TravisB
03-10-2006, 10:19 AM
I wonder if your company would understand the difference in price between a 396 smallblock built by Tom Nelson and an OE 396?

doubt it...

Diesel77
03-10-2006, 10:59 AM
I know when Im making enough HP when my wife threatens to leave if I spend just one more dime on my motor!!